Jipay Posted February 25, 2005 Posted February 25, 2005 jipayI actually think that the Ultimate Collector Series 7191 X-Wing Fighter could have made a great System set as it did include a System R2-D2 mini figure and if The LEGO Group only had included the Luke Skywalker mini figure because then this wonderful System set would have been the new and improved System line. Just kidding with you... *Laughs* ;) Of course you were, who seriously want another luke ??? I wrotte a 1 page endless post that was deleted by a false manip on my computer !!! Daaaammnnnnn ! Well basically i said that UCS cannot be defined, it is just what lego decide to put in it. And Cloud City is System Scale and is still UCS : so your definition of UCS as what is not system scaled doesn't stand :/ And the sandcrawler is 5 digits and system scaled :/ Quote
Darkkazmo Posted February 25, 2005 Posted February 25, 2005 Heh, that post isn't what I consider an endless post! I wrote many posts longer than that!!! What a disappointment! :P :-D BTW Jipay, Did you manage to get a glimpse at the new Sandcrawler? Or is it just a rumor? And is it an UCS/Sculpture type set or a System one with minfigs? I hope it's a real set after all. :oD Quote
Jipay Posted February 25, 2005 Posted February 25, 2005 Heh, that post isn't what I consider an endless post! I wrote many posts longer than that!!! What a disappointment! Quote
Sweden Posted February 25, 2005 Author Posted February 25, 2005 Darkkazmo So sorry to disappoint you but I've kind of lost my arguing skills from my leave of two years. *Laughs* ;) jipay Of course, who in their right mind would want to have another Luke Skywalker mini figure? Well, I do. I've got no pilots for my two Ultimate Collector Series X-Wing Fighters you know. *Laughs* Well, I don't agree as Ultimate Collector Series is defined in itself and The LEGO Group has announced what it actually is even if they as I said before messed up the concept and Ultimate means something ultimate and more special then the ordinary product and Collector Series adds up to all that in my opinnion you see. You say that 10123 Cloud City is a System scale set but that it's Ultimate Collector Series but as far as I do remember The LEGO Group never ever announced it as such but just a Shop at Home Exclusive and as far as I'm concerned the myth of it being such was just because the five digit number that means Exclusive. Yes, the Jawa Sandcrawler has a five digit number and is a System scale set as well as being a Shop at Home exclusive and therefore having the five digit number as The LEGO Group for some reason doesn't think it's suitable for retail stores but that just makes it a very expensive System set and S&H exclusive. I'm still waiting for the answer as to when The LEGO Group announced this "New" UCS line... *Laughs* I'm very excited to see if that Jawa Sandcrawler is like that wonderful prototype "System" set. *wub* Sweden - The One... And Only. Quote
Darkkazmo Posted February 25, 2005 Posted February 25, 2005 Heh, that post isn't what I consider an endless post! I wrote many posts longer than that!!! What a disappointment! :P :-D BTW Jipay, Did you manage to get a glimpse at the new Sandcrawler? Or is it just a rumor? And is it an UCS/Sculpture type set or a System one with minfigs? I hope it's a real set after all. :oD The source that gave us the info of the sandcrawler is the same one that gave us the info of the deathstar 2, including the serial numbers piece count and price. Since every single thing he gave us about the Deathstar II was correct, we can strongly assume that everything he gave us about the sandcrawler was true as well : 10143 Death Star II - $300, 3500 pieces 10144 Sandcrawler - $150, 1500 pieces As you can see his info about the DS were absolutely correct. If he is correct on the sandcrawler, it will be system scaled (and include minifigs). Great, that sounds music to my ears... Finally, after all these years we are getting the minifig Sandcrawler. I also hope that it includes those old Technic treads too. Thanks a million for the info Jipay. :-D Quote
David85 Posted February 25, 2005 Posted February 25, 2005 David85I truly wish it were "that" easy as you say but then 4504 Millennium Falcon, 4483 AT-AT and 10123 Cloud City could be considered "Ultimate Collector Series" but they're "not" as they're nothing else but System or Mini Figure scale sets simply because they include mini figures and the sets are indeed scaled for them. There's nothing "Ultimate Collector Series" about them at all. Just that they're real expensive System sets. It is that easy if you read what I said. I said $100 of more, all the System sets you listed are $99.99. Quote
Jipay Posted February 25, 2005 Posted February 25, 2005 You say that 10123 Cloud City is a System scale set but that it's Ultimate Collector Series but as far as I do remember The LEGO Group never ever announced it as such but just a Shop at Home Exclusive and as far as I'm concerned the myth of it being such was just because the five digit number that means Exclusive. Cloud city IS listed under the UCS category on shop at home. So UCS, no matter if you like this idea or not :/ Quote
David85 Posted February 25, 2005 Posted February 25, 2005 You say that 10123 Cloud City is a System scale set but that it's Ultimate Collector Series but as far as I do remember The LEGO Group never ever announced it as such but just a Shop at Home Exclusive and as far as I'm concerned the myth of it being such was just because the five digit number that means Exclusive. Cloud city IS listed under the UCS category on shop at home. So UCS, no matter if you like this idea or not :/ So? They put things in dumb places on the website all the time, that doesn't mean anything. Quote
Sweden Posted February 25, 2005 Author Posted February 25, 2005 David85 It's not that easy at all as the price for those set in Sweden are close to $200.00 each. *Laughs* ;) But I'm glad to see that you consider those sets as System scale sets. ;) Yeah, they put things in dumb places on the website all the time as I've seen that myself from time to time. jipay As David85 said... It's not a matter of wether I like this or not but a matter of what it actually is. It's still a System scale set simply because it has mini figures and simply because it's scaled for them and the simple reason for it having the five digit number is simply because it's a Shop at Home Exclusive and Exclusives are given those and then again it was never ever announced or even advertised as a UCS set. A small note... Some of you "might" consider me to be an a*****e and an son of a female canine but there's nothing like a damn good arguing everyonce in a while and this is just for fun and it's an real interesting conversation so look upon it from the bright side of life *Enter the Monty Python tune here* as I'm really an good guy indeed. ;) Sweden - The One... And Only. Quote
Jipay Posted February 25, 2005 Posted February 25, 2005 Well I think the main problem is that in your mind, UCS is a scale thing. it's not :/ Quote
Sweden Posted February 25, 2005 Author Posted February 25, 2005 jipay Well, I think the main problem is that in your mind System sets are UCS scale models when they're not. :/ I'll quote myself from the Sir Steve's Star Wars Guide Forums: "It's hilarious you know... During the almost six years that I've collected the LEGO Star Wars line or more correctly during the five years I've visited AFOL communities I've seen people whine and complain much more worse then me about sets like the Millennium Falcon and Imperial Shuttle for example being way to <insert that tiresome argument> by The LEGO Group and how they've dreamed about sets being in scale with each other and even being released as Ultimate Collector Series model sets. Then when I make an more intelligent post about this to start an interesting conversation then the usual god damn "I'm the best, You're the best, He's the best, What sets should I buy?, What sets shouldn't I buy?, What's the piece count of this and that?" boring crap posts everyone seem to have forgotten what they said before and to make matters even worse they don't even read what I just wrote and tell me something I never ever said or wrote. To me and the way the Ultimate Collector Series was and is announced and even advertised this line is "supposed" to be scale models of different Star Wars subjects but in LEGO form built as close to scale and as detailed as is possible compared to the original filming miniatures and for different type of subjects different kind of scales were going to be used for this Star Wars line. I've never ever asked for or wanted the Imperial Star Destroyer to be in the same scale as the X-Wing Fighter becuase that's simply "not" possible but what I wanted was that the one and two man fighter sets in the Ultimate Collector Series should be in scale with each other and nothing else and I never ever even wanted the Rebel Blockade Runner to be in the same scale as the Imperial Star Destroyer because that's also impossible but people do think and say to me that it's what I said I wanted when I actually didn't. I've said before that I actually do know that The LEGO Group is ultimately a toy producer and I do know that they occasionally make models but I've never ever said that they should make "all" the Ultimate Collector Series sets in one single scale so you got it "all" wrong but as The LEGO Group entered the model kit market with their "LEGO" models they should make the best of it and produce real scale models if they do want to enter that market piece. What I'm saying is that they shouldn't announce and advertise about them making scale models and try to get a piece of the model kit market unless they do it the right way because that's the smart thing to do if they actually want to find a new market amongst the model kit builders that might just love to buy a Star Wars LEGO model to re-live their childhood days of building LEGO and get a break from the kitbuilding and gluesniffing they "always" do." End quote. You go and take a look at the Ultimate Collector Series line at the Shop at Home website and then tell me what they're actually announced and advertised as and what you'll see is that they're called "models" and a model of something is a model of something and that means that the models are scale and detail models of the original objects no matter how you do twist and turn them around for all eternity in every direction. I mean, if the Ultimate Collector Series 10030 Imperial Star Destroyer "wasn't" indeed a scale model of the original filming miniature seen in the movie the set "could've" been as wide as it's long and as long as it's wide but it "doesn't" have those meassurements or proportion and that's another reason making it a so called "model" and take a close look at how close the LEGO designers got the "model" looking like the so called original filming miniature considering it's "made" of LEGO parts and you'll see that it's a scale model. The System sets are on the other hand "not" scale models in any way at all but more of "interpretations" of the original objects mainly because they're made for a certain price point and that "means" that scale and details are indeed "sacrificed" for that simple reason and then again the System sets are indeed aimed at the children and the younger teenagers that do have smaller wallets and are happy to be able get a set at all and therefore the System sets are not made in scale or even in scale with each other as some sets are heavily "<insert that tiresome argument>" as for example the Millennium Falcon and the Imperial Shuttle sets to name just a few. Sweden - The One... And Only. Quote
Jipay Posted February 25, 2005 Posted February 25, 2005 Damn dude you start to give me an headache :-D But its still an interresting debate. I dunno if we will one day find an answer to your question since the UCS line has completely changed *wacko* Quote
Sweden Posted February 25, 2005 Author Posted February 25, 2005 jipay You're starting to get the hang of it all dude. *Laughs* ;) I'm not "that" bloody serious at all about what I'm saying but those are my opinnions about the Ultimate Collector Series and System sets lines and I mainly do this just for the fun of it because there's nothing like a good arguing and then again it's an very interesting subject to talk and discuss about as you do say. :) I don't know either if we'll find answers to my questions as the Ultimate Collector Series line has changed so very much over the years and then again The LEGO Group can't talk about the past, present of future of this Star Wars line but look over at Sir Steve's Star Wars Guide as I try to get an answer from LEGOGurl. *devil* Some things just shouldn't be taken or considered as a question of life or death. *Laughs* ;) However, I do love to stir up the pot everyonce in a while. Sweden - The One... And Only. Quote
Jipay Posted February 25, 2005 Posted February 25, 2005 I have one : should yoda be considered as UCS since it's one of the uglyest lego set ever made ? Quote
Sweden Posted February 25, 2005 Author Posted February 25, 2005 jipay Buddy, now you're really starting to get the hang of it all. *Laughs* ;) This is the way I see it as this is what The LEGO Group led me to believe the way they advertised it all. The System set line is the System set line with mini figures and sets created for them in mini figure scale. The Technic set line is the Technic set line with figures (and some vehicles suitable for the Technic line). The Sculpture set line is the sculpture set line with characters in whole in small scale or as 1:1 scale busts. The UCS set line is the UCS set line with the one and two man fighters in 1:28 scale and ships larger then the Millennium Falcon in suitable scale but quite large as models anyway. But we all know now that this isn't the case at all as The LEGO Group themselves messed up all of these good and wonderful concepts for the LEGO Star Wars line but if I had actually been in charge of product development for this line that's the way I would've done it and I would've kept the line to those concepts. So to answer your question this is the way I look upon it... 7194 Yoda - Jedi Master is labeled as being an Ultimate Collector Series set but I see it as a Sculpture line set but the way it's labeled I guess it can be called an Ultimate Collector Series line Sculpture set and that would be okay with me if it was labeled, announced and advertised as such but to me it's a Sculpture set. I would have loved to see that R2-D2 Sculpture from that other "Guess how many parts it's made of?" contest I'll admitt. ;) Sweden - The One... And Only. Quote
David85 Posted February 25, 2005 Posted February 25, 2005 In the US I'm pretty sure they called Yoda a Sculpture and not an UCS set. David - The One... That can kick everyones megablocks. :P Quote
The Middleman Posted February 26, 2005 Posted February 26, 2005 Ok, I'm just asking here, why does anyone give a damn whether it's called UCS or not? It's still the same set. Quote
Jipay Posted February 26, 2005 Posted February 26, 2005 Ok, I'm just asking here, why does anyone give a damn whether it's called UCS or not? It's still the same set. Well a good endless debate needs a good endless topic to discuss about. Obviously, trying to find out a rule to what is UCS or not is an endless debate, and this is why we keep posting in a funny atmosphere :-D But what is your definition of UCS, tell us :) Quote
mutley777 Posted February 26, 2005 Posted February 26, 2005 the box design used to be the main way to decide the whole ucs set. but personally any set with minifigs is not ucs. all the ucs sets were for display mainly and are not made with playabillity in mind. Quote
David85 Posted February 26, 2005 Posted February 26, 2005 the box design used to be the main way to decide the whole ucs set. but personally any set with minifigs is not ucs.all the ucs sets were for display mainly and are not made with playabillity in mind. You don't play with the UCS X-Wing and TIE Fighter?!?! :oo :-D Quote
Sweden Posted February 26, 2005 Author Posted February 26, 2005 David85 Yeah, I think you're right as I've got a faint memory of it being called a Sculpture set... Bloody Jay Yeah, as I see it as a Sculpture set I don't really care if people say it's Ultimate Collector Series... jipay Yeah, this could very well be an endless and serious debate but we can indeed make it fun. *Laughs* ;) mutley777 I agree, any set with mini figures aren't UCS but just a plain old simple mini figure sets and nothing else. Yes, the UCS line were/are scale model sets mainly for display and were/are not made with playabillity in mind. David85 Okay, I'll admitt it. I took the UCS X-Wing fighter for a spinn. Okay, I'll admitt doing it twice. :-D Sweden - The One... And Only. Who actually can kick David's a**. :P Quote
mutley777 Posted February 26, 2005 Posted February 26, 2005 my sets are all on display only. if i want to build some thing i buy the parts i need at s@h or bricklink. i did swoosh the ucs x-wing and tie a little but the star destoryer is the most swooshable set. :-D Quote
VaderFan2187 Posted December 8, 2016 Posted December 8, 2016 Wow, several years ago people were debating over whether or not scale makes a proper UCS... And from the future, we have the dreadful Assault on Hoth. Quote
brobert Posted December 8, 2016 Posted December 8, 2016 5 hours ago, VaderFan2187 said: Wow, several years ago people were debating over whether or not scale makes a proper UCS... And from the future, we have the dreadful Assault on Hoth. Heh, nice find, looks like there's really nothing new under the sun All the more disappointing that TLG still didn't define the line better in the past 10+ years... Quote
Only Sinner Posted December 8, 2016 Posted December 8, 2016 16 hours ago, VaderFan2187 said: Wow, several years ago people were debating over whether or not scale makes a proper UCS... And from the future, we have the dreadful Assault on Hoth. I guess there is still no good solid definition of UCS. A large piece count, higher priced set that is excluse to S@H or certain retailers. The set itself could be exquisite like the Slave-1 or a spattering of re-releases like Insult On Hoth. Could be a vehicle or playset scene. It could be a great set or a lousy set, who knows? Quote
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