Heroica RPG - Cruel Angel's Thesis ~ Day Four

[Kadabra]

If you find my friendship to another hero suspicious then I request that you take a deep gaze at what your true beliefs are and express those.

My belief is that a situation like this takes friends and pits them against each other and offering a friendship that has nothing to do with the situation at hand and expecting us to believe that you and your 'friend' are town is weak. Get a better defense.

[Flare]

Especially when Maxi proceeds to 'clear' Fleyra and 'prove' that one of the three Town leaders is scum, even after one of them has been proven Town? And the part about Retak was literally just a fact.

If Maxi was really scum and I as well, why would she waste a turn investigating me? It seems a waste of a turn to me. As well, if Maxi was scum and I town, she would have no point in investigating me. Also, if Maxi was town and I was scum, he wouldn't lie and tell everyone that I was town.

Therefore the only logical conclusion is that both of us are town

[Brickdoctor]

If Maxi was really scum and I as well, why would she waste a turn investigating me? It seems a waste of a turn to me. As well, if Maxi was scum and I town, she would have no point in investigating me. Also, if Maxi was town and I was scum, he wouldn't lie and tell everyone that I was town.

Therefore the only logical conclusion is that both of us are town

She investigated you in order to appear to clear you, of course! Investigations get shown in the conclusion. It's also noted how you conveniently avoid mentioning the possible motives for the situation in which you're both scum.

[Waterbrick Down]

If you need me to elaborate on why Fleyra is scummy, then you obviously haven't been paying attention for the last couple days. As for Maxi, can you seriously tell me 'Maxi and I made a pact to tell each other our true alignments and I know he's telling the truth' is not just a wee bit odd? Especially when Maxi proceeds to 'clear' Fleyra and 'prove' that one of the three Town leaders is scum, even after one of them has been proven Town? And the part about Retak was literally just a fact.

{I have paid attention and most of the time while Calico was at least reasonable you have been war mongering and deriding to individuals. Just because one heroican leader was proven true does not make all of them so. Thus forgive me for staying open to a multitude of options instead of writing them off with such ease. I will admit that Maxi has been one of the quieter heroes and that the Rito has not done herself any favors by being as wishy washy, but your entire complaint seems based upon their friendship and the fact that one of the leaders was found to be a Nephilim. Aside from Briene defending Calico on Day 2 and late on Day 3, what more does she have to prove her truthfulness?}

If Maxi was really scum and I as well, why would she waste a turn investigating me? It seems a waste of a turn to me. As well, if Maxi was scum and I town, she would have no point in investigating me. Also, if Maxi was town and I was scum, he wouldn't lie and tell everyone that I was town.

Therefore the only logical conclusion is that both of us are town

{Not true, you must consider that Maxi could have investigated you to pass you off as a Heroican if you were both Nephilim.}

[Flare]

My belief is that a situation like this takes friends and pits them against each other and offering a friendship that has nothing to do with the situation at hand and expecting us to believe that you and your 'friend' are town is weak. Get a better defense.

That statement was incoherent, I request that you stop your rambling, and start thinking logically before you post. Right now you are not helping Heroica with your senseless accusations and many rambling posts.

[Brickdoctor]

That statement was incoherent, I request that you stop your rambling, and start thinking logically before you post. Right now you are not helping Heroica with your senseless accusations and many rambling posts.

I request that you stop avoiding some of the counterarguments against you and start thinking logically before you post. Right now you are not helping Heroica with your scummy arguments and many wishy-washy posts.

[Flare]

{Not true, you must consider that Maxi could have investigated you to pass you off as a Heroican if you were both Nephilim.}

Hm, I see your point, its valid.

[Kadabra]

If Maxi was really scum and I as well, why would she waste a turn investigating me? It seems a waste of a turn to me. As well, if Maxi was scum and I town, she would have no point in investigating me. Also, if Maxi was town and I was scum, he wouldn't lie and tell everyone that I was town.

Therefore the only logical conclusion is that both of us are town

Your logic is off. If Maxi was scum, she'd have everything to gain by showing an investigation of you publicly. Investigators are who the town turns to for leadership in situations like these, so having the ability to investigate publicly as scum is huge. They can 'clear' their own and ingratiate themselves to the town by 'clearing' legit townies. And if you are scum then Maxi is as well. Luckily, you being scum is a quite safe assumption to make based on your behavior. So, to address your points:

Both scum: Maxi being shown investigating you subconsciously makes people think you both are town due to investigators being primary leaders in other situations like this.

Maxi Scum, you Town: Maxi ingratiated herself with you by doing something that makes you look good, and sunpbcnciously implies she is town because investigator usually equals Town Leader.

Maxi Town, you Scum: Logically unsound, safe to eliminate.

Both Town: Doubtful. If true, then the reasoning is obvious. But again, incredibly doubtful.

[Brickdoctor]

I request that you stop avoiding some of the counterarguments against you and start thinking logically before you post. Right now you are not helping Heroica with your scummy arguments and many wishy-washy posts.

{Not true, you must consider that Maxi could have investigated you to pass you off as a Heroican if you were both Nephilim.}

Hm, I see your point, its valid.

Thank you for continuing to avoid some arguments against you and proving my point.

[Waterbrick Down]

Your logic is off. If Maxi was scum, she'd have everything to gain by showing an investigation of you publicly. Investigators are who the town turns to for leadership in situations like these, so having the ability to investigate publicly as scum is huge. They can 'clear' their own and ingratiate themselves to the town by 'clearing' legit townies. And if you are scum then Maxi is as well. Luckily, you being scum is a quite safe assumption to make based on your behavior. So, to address your points:

Both scum: Maxi being shown investigating you subconsciously makes people think you both are town due to investigators being primary leaders in other situations like this.

Maxi Scum, you Town: Maxi ingratiated herself with you by doing something that makes you look good, and sunpbcnciously implies she is town because investigator usually equals Town Leader.

Maxi Town, you Scum: Logically unsound, safe to eliminate.

Both Town: Doubtful. If true, then the reasoning is obvious. But again, incredibly doubtful.

{So wishy washy and a scum result on a town leader are the best we've got? Add avoiding questions to that list as well, I guess.}

[Kadabra]

That statement was incoherent, I request that you stop your rambling, and start thinking logically before you post. Right now you are not helping Heroica with your senseless accusations and many rambling posts.

Let me explain: Friendship IRL =\= same side in mafia. Your 'clearing' of Maxi based on that was lame and scummy.

{I have paid attention and most of the time while Calico was at least reasonable you have been war mongering and deriding to individuals. Just because one heroican leader was proven true does not make all of them so. Thus forgive me for staying open to a multitude of options instead of writing them off with such ease. I will admit that Maxi has been one of the quieter heroes and that the Rito has not done herself any favors by being as wishy washy, but your entire complaint seems based upon their friendship and the fact that one of the leaders was found to be a Nephilim. Aside from Briene defending Calico on Day 2 and late on Day 3, what more does she have to prove her truthfulness?}

{Not true, you must consider that Maxi could have investigated you to pass you off as a Heroican if you were both Nephilim.}

War mongering! I've been pushing for action, only against targets that Brienne, Calico (confirmed Town) AND I all agreed in, with .legonter, swils, and Chrimeknight also offering their opinions on our targets before we take action. I'm simply more assertive - and yes, derisive - than the other two, simply because that is my style of play the way I am, and I find that people slip up more when they are frustrated and that their responses while under pressure are often a better indicator of allegiance than responses in a jovial discussion. If I am 'warmongering' than so are all those other people because we all push for action on the same targets after long discussions based on logical reasoning. And if I'm derisive, than what is Scamander?

{So wishy washy and a scum result on a town leader are the best we've got? Add avoiding questions to that list as well, I guess.}

Notice that we're not attacking Fleyra and Maxi right now, just keeping our suspicions of them on the table. Our evidence on Corelin and Shadir is more solid, so we are taking action against them first.

[Waterbrick Down]

War mongering! I've been pushing for action, only against targets that Brienne, Calico (confirmed Town) AND I all agreed in, with .legonter, swils, and Chrimeknight also offering their opinions on our targets before we take action. I'm simply more assertive - and yes, derisive - than the other two, simply because that is my style of play the way I am, and I find that people slip up more when they are frustrated and that their responses while under pressure are often a better indicator of allegiance than responses in a jovial discussion. If I am 'warmongering' than so are all those other people because we all push for action on the same targets after long discussions based on logical reasoning. And if I'm derisive, than what is Scamander?

{Pushing is to be expected, deriding is simply rude especially to the extent where it becomes a shouting/insulting match. If these are the suspicions of your block, then state your case, answer the questions and get on with it. Enough fluff.}

Notice that we're not attacking Fleyra and Maxi right now, just keeping our suspicions of them on the table. Our evidence on Corelin and Shadir is more solid, so we are taking action against them first.

{Could have fooled me. While I'm still suspicious of Corelin, I'd think you'd want to clear this whole issue of an investigation result on a town leader up as quickly as possible.}

[Kadabra]

{Pushing is to be expected, deriding is simply rude especially to the extent where it becomes a shouting/insulting match. If these are the suspicions of your block, then state your case, answer the questions and get on with it. Enough fluff.}

when have O actually insulted anybody? The worst .i've done was call their defenses weak or their logic bad.

{Could have fooled me. While I'm still suspicious of Corelin, I'd think you'd want to clear this whole issue of an investigation result on a town leader up as quickly as possible.}

How could you possibly have been fooled into thinking we were attacking them? Both Doc and I have only melee attacks, and we've both already submitted other actions. If we were attacking everyone would know.

[Waterbrick Down]

when have O actually insulted anybody? The worst .i've done was call their defenses weak or their logic bad.

How could you possibly have been fooled into thinking we were attacking them? Both Doc and I have only melee attacks, and we've both already submitted other actions. If we were attacking everyone would know.

{I never meant that you were attacking them, but that you seemed to be parading them as the main suspects of the day. And again, if there is an actual investigation result, why don't you want it proven one way or another sooner rather than later?}

[Kadabra]

{I never meant that you were attacking them, but that you seemed to be parading them as the main suspects of the day. And again, if there is an actual investigation result, why don't you want it proven one way or another sooner rather than later?}

We've got attacks in on Corelin and Shadir already, why would we waste time with a back-and-forth with them? Unless they say something that can convince us of they're towniness, they're as good as dead. So now we're discussing other suspicions afte four main point of business has been taken care of. And as of right now I trust Brienne and don't feel the need to seriously consider this sort of shady investigation. If it were someone like you, Swinehurst, Theodor, or whoever who had the investigation result it would be much more credible.

[Scubacarrot]

"I say someone kills Maxi. If he's town, we kill Brienne, and possibly Kharybdis, if he's scum, we kill Fleyra. Sounds like a plan to me."

[CorneliusMurdock]

{Could have fooled me. While I'm still suspicious of Corelin, I'd think you'd want to clear this whole issue of an investigation result on a town leader up as quickly as possible.}

No, why would she want to clear that up? She'd lose her valuable teammate. They let their puppet do the whole death thing to "prove their innocence". Isn't that enough for this gullible hall?

[Zepher]

"In all honesty," says Zelphie in a flighty voice from the corner, "I agree. It seems the most logical step to me - it leaves us with either some confirmed Heroicans, or some confirmed Dark Angels. It seems that your blood must be spilled for the good of all, muscular Maxi."

[Jedi master Brick]

I drink a potion

"Can Maxi at least turn up and confirm that is the result she got. Anyway I thought it we concluded earlier that it is pointless to make up results, so unless the scum are on the verge of victory already, which I sincerely hope isn't the case, there is no reason to lie. However on the other hand Brienne has been such a key member of the town core killing her is very risky. The best course of action I think is have Maxi give the magnifying glass to someone else, which a good town person would do, and either kill her or wait for someone trustworthy to investigate her, like Werther. If Maxi turns out to be town Brienne is most likely scum.

[Scubacarrot]

"In all honesty," says Zelphie in a flighty voice from the corner, "I agree. It seems the most logical step to me - it leaves us with either some confirmed Heroicans, or some confirmed Dark Angels. It seems that your blood must be spilled for the good of all, muscular Maxi."

"You have upgraded your weapon quite a bit, would you perhaps do the honours?"

[Zepher]

"I have indeed, but I'm not powerful enough to strike killing blows to nearly anyone still alive. I am also waiting for others input. As I have said, we must not only act as young animals and rely strictly on our own instincts. Should we collectively decide this is the wisest course of action, I shall act along with others. The day is young."

[swils]

"It seems the most logical step to me - it leaves us with either some confirmed Heroicans, or some confirmed Dark Angels."

Is that not reason enough? You can aid in kill, not have to do all work by self. Best get action in early, can always change later.

[Scubacarrot]

"Very well, Maxi Ebdul won't be able to do anything himself anyway. So no rush." Scamander jumps up a table, hops to another one, and starts to fiddle with a pouch of herbs he took out of his pocket.

"Also, if someone wants to take a blow at the ogre who is just there. There could be worse actions to take. I still think there is a good chance he is actually scum, and even if he is neutral, he won't be helpful either way if he is just hiding, so I personally would prefer to see his stuff in the hands of Heroes. Your attempts to antagonize the great Sleepmaster Scamander Taurros have been noted, as well as Kharybdis' annoying loyalty to you."

[Pyrovisionary]

when have O actually insulted anybody? The worst .i've done was call their defenses weak or their logic bad.

How could you possibly have been fooled into thinking we were attacking them? Both Doc and I have only melee attacks, and we've both already submitted other actions. If we were attacking everyone would know.

I would like my staff back please. I can't kill any nephilim unless I have my bleeding staff!

[Scubacarrot]

"Also, just a sidenote, I shall still take any tribute, be it in the form of items, gold or passionate declarations of love. Hint, I'd love me some tonics. "