Mafia After Dark - Night 4: Pulp Fiction

[Chillax Darth Frodo]

I'm still suspicious of him, because there's no evidence that he's telling the truth, even though it would help us greatly if he was.

I got my invention the same way. I was first to answer the riddle. I confirm that what Terrence said about the offer from the Dirty Hippie is 100% true.

My top suspicions:

1. Priscilla, your numbered list defense is overkill and your analysis of the Terrence suspicions is nothing more than fluff.

2. Peter, Way too middle of the road. Didn't post during the day. Has he posted at night yet? Suggested there was a Cult, fluffy middle poop.

3. Dexter, to honor the suspicions of Patricia, who outlined her suspicions thoroughly. I'm interested to hear more from Kristina about the Scum's other reasons to want Patricia dead. (Yes, I'll go back and read. Sorry I don't have much time right now.)

4. Colon, already stated. He's not in Town mode and that's not metagaming. He's not in Town mode for anyone. He rarely comes up with his own suspicions and spends most of his time contributing, just by defending himself.

Peter is on the list from the Dirty Hippie. Priscilla is just pinging me hardcore.

[CorneliusMurdock]

Dexter, I never siad you were "framed" in the night action sense but in the sense that someone might have been making you look guilty by Patricia's death.

I got my invention the same way. I was first to answer the riddle. I confirm that what Terrence said about the offer from the Dirty Hippie is 100% true.

I can confirm that the hippy offering a question was a real thing but that doesn't mean that Terrence is necessarily telling the truth about what he asked. Only he (and the scum since they would know if the answer was correct) would know for sure.

And I'm not entirely certain that what you've said about your own ability is true either. From what I recall, the object offered would let you see who targeted you, not someone else. You have no information about Patricia. Why lie about it?

4. Colon, already stated. He's not in Town mode and that's not metagaming. He's not in Town mode for anyone. He rarely comes up with his own suspicions and spends most of his time contributing, just by defending himself.

Again, I've been doing other things than defending myself. I've been voicing opinions, questioning who I think is suspect. What is it exactly that you're wanting me to do?

[Chillax Darth Frodo]

I have not lied about the gift I was given.

[CorneliusMurdock]

But it didn't do what you said it did.

And how are we to know that you aren't lying about the gift you chose? If you were the first one to answer, and thus chose first, you are lying. I know which gift was taken first.

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Dexter, I never siad you were "framed" in the night action sense but in the sense that someone might have been making you look guilty by Patricia's death.

I know. And then I asked you:

I can't think of any other kill that might have led to getting the heat off of Colin.

Can you?

You aren't answering that. I know I'm town. Not quite the towniest of towns this time around, embarrassingly enough, but I can see you avoiding the points that might make you look bad.

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To the others' ideas, about Patricia being killed for being part of Kristina's group, maybe that's the case, and I'm just too up on myself. But without a wacky new role, I can't see how the scum knew she was part of the communications thingee. It really just strikes me as a ploy to delay the town one more day so that scum can claim victory.

This poor enforcer needs a nap. I'll be back later.

[CorneliusMurdock]

Can I think of any other kill that would take the heat off Colin? Yes. The scum should have killed Colin. That's the only kill that would prevent me from being a lynch suspect today. Patricia did die. Did it take the heat off me, genius?

Your question didn't need answering. Find some other way to sound like you're helping when all you're doing is trying to blame someone else for something that really only benefitted you.

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Yes, the scum should have killed top lynch candidate Colin to get the heat of Colin. That's a marvel of logic you've presented. I guess I'll have to vote for myself

[Chillax Darth Frodo]

But it didn't do what you said it did.

And how are we to know that you aren't lying about the gift you chose? If you were the first one to answer, and thus chose first, you are lying. I know which gift was taken first.

So, you're calling me a liar? OK, which one was taken first?

Keep in mind I said I was the first to answer. I took my time deciding what gift to take. If every gift was given out then that's a little cooky.

[CorneliusMurdock]

Yes, the scum should have killed top lynch candidate Colin to get the heat of Colin. That's a marvel of logic you've presented. I guess I'll have to vote for myself

I know I'm great. You don't have to tell me.

I'm still the top lynch candidate for today. The scum didn't want to kill me precisely for that reason. What they don't know is that I won't be lynched today if push really comes to shove. Which means I'll probably die tomorrow when they've realized their mistake.

So, you're calling me a liar? OK, which one was taken first?

Keep in mind I said I was the first to answer. I took my time deciding what gift to take. If every gift was given out then that's a little cooky.

I know the hardhat disappeared from the choices first. If you chose first, that's what you took. I'm not 100% certain that the hippy did give them away in the order that people answered or if it was first come, first served. But I do know what was taken first.

The gift you claimed to choose wouldn't have allowed you to watch Patricia. Explain that, please.

I also know that the question was not in the first round of things we could choose from. That was added later. If you chose first, how did you know about it?

[Chillax Darth Frodo]

The gift you claimed to choose wouldn't have allowed you to watch Patricia. Explain that, please.

I'm happy to explain. The reason the gift wouldn't watch Patricia is because you're so stuck in the Scum mindset you can't look at what I've said and see that I've never actually claimed that I used it to watch Patricia. If you were Town you would see that, if my statements are purposely vague, that I'm simply trying to somehow get some information about who killed Patricia. But, you couldn't see that because you're Scum. We don't have many tools at our disposal, so I was trying something no matter how much of a long shot it was to get someone who targeted Patricia to slip up, but all you saw was someone you could turn the lynch on. Another easy Town lynch for the Scum. Congratulations, Scummy, you've outed yourself again. If you were Town and knew what the Crystal Ball did and looked carefully and how I worded it, you would easily be able to figure out exactly what I was doing and not throw a wrench in it, by calling me out for "lying" which I never did.

For those of you who may be confused, I was given a crystal ball that I could not choose the target despite me alluding to the fact that I might be able to. I said I could watch someone. I could only watch myself. Well, I'm someone, so there. Unfortunately, God mis-worded the whole thing because apparently he's confused by days vs. nights in this game as well and I won't have my results until the end of the next day. Thanks, Colon. Calling me out on that will most likely get me killed if anyone targeted me. You're a real genius. I know you are not dumb, so you are clearly Scum and I will vote for you again today. If you're not Scum, then you're just incredibly off your game and I find that annoying but still truly love you as my friend.

But, in the meantime, die Scum pig. Oink oink and die.

[Chillax Darth Frodo]

Dexter and Candy, you just read all that and had no comment? Just flittered off to the writeboard to discuss?

[CorneliusMurdock]

What about the question about the question? No answer for that except calling me scum, huh?

I know you were vague about it, at first. But when what's his face took the wrong meaning you ran with it. Strung us along that you had info. You really expected that the scum would suddenly out themselves because you might have seen them kill Patricia? If any of them had guessed the riddle, your sting was over before it began.

And it wouldn't have been a good one even if it had lasted longer because even if they would have thought you were telling the truth, they would naturally have waited to find out exactly what you knew before trying to defend themselves.

What could have happened with your sting, though, is if a townie targeted Patricia to watch or investigate her, you might have applied enough pressure for them to come forward. I think a lone person would have been far more likely to be taken in by your poorly executed plan than a scum team.

You lied about several things. You haven't suffeciently explained those things but rather just got upset and called me scum.

[Chillax Darth Frodo]

For the record, Colon, had I realized that I wasn't guaranteed first choice, or the fact that every gift would be given away including the question, I would've taken the double vote to keep it out of Scum hands. I take it that it was you chose. You have the double vote, am I correct?

Also, if anyone else got the riddle right, was there more than one question allowed? Anyone else have questions that were answered they'd like to share? megablocking seriously, anybody? Come on, let's go here. We need a proactive Town already.

What about the question about the question? No answer for that except calling me scum, huh?

I know you were vague about it, at first. But when what's his face took the wrong meaning you ran with it. Strung us along that you had info. You really expected that the scum would suddenly out themselves because you might have seen them kill Patricia? If any of them had guessed the riddle, your sting was over before it began.

And it wouldn't have been a good one even if it had lasted longer because even if they would have thought you were telling the truth, they would naturally have waited to find out exactly what you knew before trying to defend themselves.

What could have happened with your sting, though, is if a townie targeted Patricia to watch or investigate her, you might have applied enough pressure for them to come forward. I think a lone person would have been far more likely to be taken in by your poorly executed plan than a scum team.

You lied about several things. You haven't suffeciently explained those things but rather just got upset and called me scum.

Point out one lie I told. I very carefully did not lie at all. I already said it was a shot in the dark but at least I was attempting something. Again, you're attacking me for a bad strategy. Nothing about what I did was Scummy. If someone took the wrong intention from what I said, that's on them. I had a plan with what to do with what I was given and I ran with it the whole time. Again, I was expecting a real result earlier and God confused day from night. You attacking me over this only proves that you're Scum. Just like Rolfe voting for Jamie, you don't like the strategy but your argument against it assumes I'm Town since you already know I am. What Scum reason would I have to lead people on that I watched Patricia? And of course I thought of all the things you mentioned, but I didn't see the harm in trying. Also, I thought I would have the only choice from the Dirty Hippie's list as I've already stated. So, I didn't think that if Scum guessed it they would get the same message from the Dirty Hippie. Clearly you did.

[CorneliusMurdock]

My first choice was taken, and I think you took it. It wasn't the useless Crystal Ball.

The ball doesn't even tell you who targeted you. Just what role did. What good does that do a townie all by his lonesome? You'd need a tracker to tell you who targeted you to match it up with the roles. So it would have been most useful in scum hands.

A townie gets targeted by scum, it's most likely that they've just been killed and won't be able to share anything anyway.

You couldn't have known about the question if you choose your gift first. Hence you could not have confirmed that it was an option for Terrence.

[Chillax Darth Frodo]

My first choice was taken, and I think you took it. It wasn't the useless Crystal Ball.

The ball doesn't even tell you who targeted you. Just what role did. What good does that do a townie all by his lonesome? You'd need a tracker to tell you who targeted you to match it up with the roles. So it would have been most useful in scum hands.

A townie gets targeted by scum, it's most likely that they've just been killed and won't be able to share anything anyway.

You couldn't have known about the question if you choose your gift first. Hence you could not have confirmed that it was an option for Terrence.

No, I saw the option to ask a question. I never tried to confirm that it was an option for him, only that I know that it was one of the options the Dirty Hippie gave. So again, you've selected the double vote? The secret second vote?

I didn't see the crystal ball as only telling me the role, I will have to go back and look. Trust me, I talked with God about the true worth of the Crystal Ball, especially since its use has been repeatedly clarified since I chose it. When I chose the Crystal Ball, I decided on it because I wanted to attempt to get info not just protect myself from being killed. Again, I thought I was the only one being given the four options and nobody else would have such an offer. Not so, clearly, but I didn't know that then. Had I known Scummy you would've chosen the secret second vote I would've taken that to keep it out of Scum hands.

So, what exactly are you saying at this point? I'm a Scummy liar? Is that what you're saying, Colon. Come on, be clear.

So, you are accusing me now of taking what? I guessed first, that I know. I chose the gift several hours later.

Oh God, it does say the roles and not the players. How worthless is that? Stupid God... I'm clearly reading too fast anyway. I've been very busy...being old.

It does, however, clearly state, that anyone can choose to ask a question instead of taking a gift, so it doesn't matter the order or gift-taking, the question was always an option. So, I can confirm that it was an option for Terrence.

When can we vote? I know where mine is going...

[Cecilie]

I'm surprised not more of you have taken the question, as that seems to be the most useful action to uncover truths here, or at least get some form of information.

[CorneliusMurdock]

You took the hard hat. I didn't call you out on it yesterday because I figured you must be trying to the scum kill to yourself to waste it. It was only when you started to go on about having information you couldn't have today that I thought your lie might not be as innocent as that.

The question was not in my first message as an option from the hippy. It was only after the first two items were taken that I was informed of it.

I chose the badge to not only keep it from getting into scum hands but to potentially prevent my own mislynch. Not that I'll need to use it for that.

I didn't choose the question myself since an experience in the past convinced me that I probably would not use it wisely enough for it to be useful.

I'm saying at this point that your lies don't add up to become a townie story. The Crystal Ball is useless in townie hands. I think you really chose the hardhat anyway. There's no way you would have known about the question if you chose first.

[Chillax Darth Frodo]

The question is tricky because if you're too specific he won't answer. In past situations I've chosen the question and been successful but in this case I chose a gift because I just didn't have the time to be clever.

You took the hard hat.

Wrong.

So, where's the real crystal ball owner then? I'm sure they'll call me out for this supposed lie.

The only other person who was even around when the riddle was posted was Peter.

It is, of course, possible that his account was idle and he didn't read it until later but he and I were the only ones here when the riddle was first posted.

[CorneliusMurdock]

The question is tricky because if you're too specific he won't answer. In past situations I've chosen the question and been successful but in this case I chose a gift because I just didn't have the time to be clever.

But you should not have had the option of the question. it was added later. Are you not hearing me when I say that or are you ignoring that?

I was informed after the original message from the hippy that the hardhat had already been chosen and he did not say anything about the crystal ball also being gone when he wanted to know my second choice. It wasn't until later that he messaged again saying I could choose either the badge or the question and that message was the first one that even gave the question as a choice.

[Chillax Darth Frodo]

I answered 7 minutes after the riddle was posted which was about two seconds after I read it. I was accused by God of looking it up which is insulting since I believe it's a pretty easy riddle but also the same one I used in The Forest II. I assume I was first since God accused me if looking it up. That does give Peter plenty of time to get that helmet. Did you solve it in between the posting and the time I sent in my answer? I had the option of the question, I chose the crystal ball. I chose to try and draw Scum out or at least make them nervous or target me with what I received. All of that is true. Everything I've said is true.

But you should not have had the option of the question. it was added later. Are you not hearing me when I say that or are you ignoring that?

We cross posted. Did you solve it in the first seven minutes? If not, we'll take it up with God later. Maybe God didn't offer you the question at first because you're Scum and already know enough. Then when your choice was gone, God decided to give Scummy you the option.

How would you bulletproof benefit the Town, Colon?

[CorneliusMurdock]

I'm guessing I was third since I was given the third choice. I assume each of us were asked to give our first choice (I also assume with the same copy/pasted message that did not include the question as an option). I asked for the hardhat. I was absent for a little while. I was informed the hardhat was taken and then a later message gave me the two final options. I chose the badge. All of that is true.

Why do you think Peter even answered the riddle? Has he even talked since the riddle was given?

[Chillax Darth Frodo]

All I said is he was there when I was. If you're telling the truth, you'd like to know why I was offered the question and you weren't right? Maybe Peter solved it after you, before me, but chose first out of the three of us. When did you solve it? Less than seven minutes after it was posted? I've asked that twice already, please check the time stamps and answer.

Again, what good did bulletproof Colon do for the Town?

And what exactly are you suggesting I've done? Chose the Helmet but am saying I chose the Crystal Ball and letting people conclude that I watched Patricia...because that would benefit Scum how, exactly?

When you're Scum, you can't see from Town perspective and all you're seeing is a Townie "lying" trying to get me policy lynched for Lynch All Liars. I purposely told not one lie when trying to draw the Scum out just so the Town wouldn't have to waste a policy lynch on Townie me.

So please, do explain, how in your theory of me lying, the Scum would benefit so greatly.

[CorneliusMurdock]

Didn't see the last sentence there. Me being bulletproof helps the town because, drumroll please..... I'm town.

You were so kind as to highlight my claim a few periods of time ago, though I really was trying to be as subtle as possible given the limitations of no privacy. Me staying alive gives us a better chance of winning.

If the town really wants more details about that, I'll be giving them when necessity dictates. But once given, I assume common sense will prevail and the scum will kill me when they realize I won't be lynched.

If people are worried about the one extra vote I have, I'll be glad to make it public who I vote for. I assume Tam will show the number of votes given to each candidate even though the badge ability promised my second vote would not be labeled as mine. Or I could just choose not to use it. Or I could always not use the second vote, I don't believe it's mandatory. Important thing is the scum don't have it.

Give me a second to get to somewhere I can more easily check timestamps.

Timestamp for the riddle was 1:36 PM, my answer was 2:05 PM. I do remember that you and Dexter had been around at the time I answered.

Looking at that page, you called out Peter for lurking 30 minutes before the riddle was posted. You're sure he was still around?

If Terrence answered at around 2:47 (when he spoke after that), that left a long time for someone else to guess.

[Chillax Darth Frodo]

Why won't you be lynched? May as well spill it now. I'm really not convinced, especially of the cockamamie crap you just pulled, that you're Town or won't be lynched today.

Although, in lieu of you, I'd happily lynch Priscilla, Peter or Dexter.

[CorneliusMurdock]

The crap I just pulled? You're the one who lied about things. I'm sorry if you really think that was a good sting, but it really, really wasn't. Hopefully you'll either realize that or we'll find out you're scum and you can just attribute it to poor planning.

I don't feel like I've been backed into a corner, yet. I seem to recall you wanting to play an open game even though that might prove disastrous for, I don't know, non-scum players. But I guess the scum'll kill me soon anyway. After all, they all know I'm not with them.

It's funny that you pick up immediately on the soft claim yet pick up on some other subtle hints. I'm the vigilante, of course. I admit that I haven't actually nailed a scum yet but I've been trying. It's hard when you're working alone.

Sorry- don't pick up on other hints, I meant to say.