Mafia After Dark - Night 4: Pulp Fiction

[Palathadric]

I'm still a bit confused about how it all worked out with receiving actions from the hippy and the questions, etc.

Did Colin, Dexter, Bernard, and Terrence all receive something/get to ask a question?

[def]

OK, let's look over Patricia's case against Dexter then:

It seems that the original concern was simply not having a reason to switch from calling for a lynch to asking for an investigation instead.

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And then switched back to voting for him, dropping the idea for an investigation.

I suggested him as a good investigation target. That is different from "I won't vote for him without an investigation first." That seems pretty normal.

Here she points out that he is dodgy and defensive instead of having a conversation about things. I, personally, didn't see anything Patricia did to warrant such ire from him. I don't think anything she said was offensive. Perhaps it's just aggravating to be caught out.

I actually did address her... at first. She ignored the answers, and taunted me instead. Is my name Dexy-poo? Sorry, but if that's how you're interacting, I'm not interested in it. Notice how you have made an effort not to be an megablocks to me this life, and I have gone out of my way to address your concerns. Even though you're ignoring the answers. She wasn't offensive, just obnoxious.

Add this to the inconsistencies I pointed out and I feel it's the right vote. This is also the first vote where there hasn't been a clear bandwagon. Those not voting for Dexter aren't making very strong cases and trying to get the Town to reconsider. I would think if they really didn't think he was Scum, they'd be a bit more adamant about getting us to vote for someone else, since if Dexter is Town, this could be our last Night in the game. Instead they are softly urging in other directions or mentioning vague suspicions, not voting and wandering off.

Unfortunately, the town is slowing down. I want to see more effort.

I am worried that we could be wrong about Dexter, but I feel he's the strongest case right now. If we were to follow Terrence's answer from the Dirty Hippie, I think we could vote Peter off, but I have a stronger feeling towards Dexter. If we're wrong, that will suck to lose without catching any Scum, but that may just be an effect of the game mechanics...

It's only a game... It's only a game... Never mind the arsenal of taunts Tammo's building.

[Chillax Darth Frodo]

I hate how quiet it is...

[mostlytechnic]

So say something.

[CorneliusMurdock]

So say something.

How's about you say something? As dad said, it seems rude to chuck you into the lynch rope when it seems you've just gotten here, but I feel like we're at a disadvantage in that you know us but we don't know you. I don't like that feeling.

You should have had a bit of time to catch up by now. What are you thinking? Who are you most suspicious of? What's your favorite color? Who's funnier, me or dad?

[Capt. Redblade]

I don't even know what to say. You're nuts!

We know there's one scum in the group of five and we can assume there's four or five scum altogether (if there's less than that, we aren't in serious trouble yet). Obviously if there's one scum in that group the other three or four must be in the other group. What I said is just as valid as what Terrence said. If Terrence is speaking truth, which I am more inclined to believe now, then there are three of four scum in the group I mentioned, or else there are surprisingly few scum.

I never said that I really believed Terrence, I said "if we want to believe him, then..."

Right now, though, I do think I am more inclined to believe him, so obviously I won't lynch him.

Trying to put words in my mouth, are you?

Penelope, you said that "if we're trusting Terrence we can assume he's not scum." That assumption implies at least some level of belief and/or trust in him.

So folks, the question is, are we going to believe Terrence or not? If so, then I think we should look for the three or four scum hiding in the group of six (not counting Dexter).

This group consists of:

Myself

Cap'n Rolfe

Candy

Priscilla

Colin

Terrence

Now I know that I'm not scum, and if we're trusting Terrence we can assume he's not scum. So that means that three or four out of the remaining four, are scum. Genius, aren't I?

Sorry, I meant to say four or five scum at the beginning not five or six.

So my suggestion would either be to lynch Terrence or lynch one of the other four mentioned as, as I see it, either he is scum or they are.

You then elected to take him off the list of potential scum. If there wasn't some part of you that believed in him, then I honestly don't see why you would have done that.

I also can't understand why - if you had some faith in him, which I think I've shown you did - you would suggest lynching Terrence as a valid option.

if we're trusting Terrence we can assume he's not scum.

So my suggestion would either be to lynch Terrence ... as I see it, either he is scum or they are.

Which is it?

Right now, though, I do think I am more inclined to believe him, so obviously I won't lynch him.

Ah, and now you're trying to back away from the incriminating statement after you've been called on it. What's that called, boys and girls? That's right! Flip-flopping! And it's a scumtell.

This doesn't make any sense. Penelope clearly stated what she meant, and it was the opposite of disregarding the evidence Terrence gave us.

And what's more important, you yourself are more than willing to ignore the "hard evidence" and vote for Penelope instead of Kristina or me.

Ah, Peter, you're alive! Good, I was starting to worry. It's nice to see the third scummiest guy around sticking up for the current front-runner (in my book). Good scum stick together, folks!

And I was prepared to follow the "hard evidence", but that was before Penelope tried to steer us in the other direction. Given the choice between you and Kristina, I'm not totally sure one way or the other, but given the choice between Penelope and Penelope, the decision is obvious.

[Chillax Darth Frodo]

I'm still a bit confused about how it all worked out with receiving actions from the hippy and the questions, etc.

Did Colin, Dexter, Bernard, and Terrence all receive something/get to ask a question?

I don't believe Dexter has confirmed if he received something or not. Colin seems to think he has the hard hat. I took the crystal ball, which Colin had a hard time believing due to the discrepancy between our offer of a question from the Hippie and Terrence claims to have had no other options to choose from so had to ask a question. Colin took the badge that gives him a second, secret vote. I believe it's possible that more than one person was allowed to ask a question, but we've had no confirmation of that.

On to Terrence's alleged question. It would be a very smart move for the Scum to come up with such a false question if, in fact, no Scum had listed Terrence as suspicious. A fact that would be easily recognizable for the Scum, since they know that only Townies are suspecting him. Amongst the group that suspected Terrence (omitting Dexter since my list accidentally did so) Peter seems the most Scummy, to me anyway. He was blocked from speaking last night as was Dogukan and Adelaide the night before him. We know both of them were Town so they wouldn't lie about being blocked from speaking. Perhaps the Scum were blocking the quieter players from speaking to make them seem more suspicious? Perhaps they purposely targeted Peter, one of their own, to make him look like a Townie. Maybe the inability to talk during the day is the side effect of some other Action they have or a counter to our comm expert. We can allow people to talk behind the scenes, while they can stop people from bringing info to the day thread. And I do mean day.

So, would the Scum be clever enough to put Terrence forward with the false question that implicates Me, Cebastiane, Peter and Kristina? And would they have the knowledge of foresight to cite my mistaken list as one that didn't include Dexter, so that there would be four living Townies in the suspect column? That would certainly buy them four more days as we'd figure it out.

As Penelope pointed out, even if the answer from The Dirty Hippie was true, then there would be 3 or 4 Scum in the remaining group of seven. If Terrence is lying then, the remaining 7 contain 4 or 5 Scum, a concept that Rolfe seems to despise for some reason.

People not voting for Dexter: Terrence, Penelope, Rolfe, Peter (& Dexter, obviously), Peter being the only one who has yet to cast a vote.

Funny enough, those are the four people whose alignment a discussion about the validity of Terrence's claim about his question to the Dirty Hippie revolves around. ...

I'm still uneasy about Cebastiane. Can't get a read. Thought I'd throw that out there. I doubt anyone agrees there.

Funny, I don't recall him ever "playing" before now.

It stands to reason that most people are aware of the alter ego of my alter ego. I'm sure that a group of four or five Scum would all be aware of it. (By the way, I'd think there were five in total) Does Penelope really not know or is she trying to seem like she doesn't know in order to seem like she's not talking to a group of people who would know. Did that make sense?

Rolfe flits in, Rolfe flits out, but he doesn't post...

[Cecilie]

I don't believe Dexter has confirmed if he received something or not. Colin seems to think he has the hard hat. I took the crystal ball, which Colin had a hard time believing due to the discrepancy between our offer of a question from the Hippie and Terrence claims to have had no other options to choose from so had to ask a question. Colin took the badge that gives him a second, secret vote. I believe it's possible that more than one person was allowed to ask a question, but we've had no confirmation of that.

Naturally, the person who took the hard hat isn't going to claim that, as it renders it useless. I myself was too late to answer the riddle, so I didn't get anything.

Perhaps they purposely targeted Peter, one of their own, to make him look like a Townie.

That would be a very clever move, but there's one other possibility. On the day that Dogukan claimed he had been silenced (except he spoke anyway...), there was one other person who claimed to have been silenced: Adelaide. Now, both of those have been verified as town, so there's no reason to believe any of them were lying. I think I remember Adelaide said the wording of her message implied she had been blocked, so if this silencing thing is in fact the side effect of a block, it's only natural that both town and scum have a blocker. It's possible that Peter was blocked by the town blocker, but that brings the question, who did the scum blocker block? Or maybe Peter is the scum blocker, and since he was blocked, couldn't perform his action...

As Penelope pointed out, even if the answer from The Dirty Hippie was true, then there would be 3 or 4 Scum in the remaining group of seven. If Terrence is lying then, the remaining 7 contain 4 or 5 Scum, a concept that Rolfe seems to despise for some reason.

People not voting for Dexter: Terrence, Penelope, Rolfe, Peter (& Dexter, obviously), Peter being the only one who has yet to cast a vote.

Funny enough, those are the four people whose alignment a discussion about the validity of Terrence's claim about his question to the Dirty Hippie revolves around. ...

That is indeed very interesting...

I'm still uneasy about Cebastiane. Can't get a read. Thought I'd throw that out there. I doubt anyone agrees there.

Maybe you need to put on your reading glasses?

[def]

I don't believe Dexter has confirmed if he received something or not.

I got nothing. The riddle was revealed during my sleep time.

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I still have 24 hours here, so I want to urge Kristina not to open contact with Bernard tonight. It will be a waste. I was thinking this was the game-decider, but I think the scum won't win tonight. After making my last statement, I was thinking about how unusual Bernard hadn't been at me since the day one. Literally every other lifetime I've played with him, he's relentlessly accused me since day one (though in Bernard's case, it would be day three<?>). And in each case, we were both town, or at least, not scum. But this time, he started positively soft on me, and even now, he's just accusing and ignoring the answers. He's not actually going at me though. I would hope it's some evolution in his character, but I think it's just him being scummy. Add to that, after I said that I laid responsibility for my lynch on him, and he comes back with this:

I am worried that we could be wrong about Dexter, but I feel he's the strongest case right now. If we were to follow Terrence's answer from the Dirty Hippie, I think we could vote Peter off, but I have a stronger feeling towards Dexter. If we're wrong, that will suck to lose without catching any Scum, but that may just be an effect of the game mechanics...

He's accusing me, but already laying down his 'whoops, I goofed " for night 5. That's why I think scum won't win today, since Bernard is covering himself for tomorrow's results.

Don't let my death be in vain!

[Peanuts]

Ah, Peter, you're alive! Good, I was starting to worry. It's nice to see the third scummiest guy around sticking up for the current front-runner (in my book). Good scum stick together, folks!

And I was prepared to follow the "hard evidence", but that was before Penelope tried to steer us in the other direction. Given the choice between you and Kristina, I'm not totally sure one way or the other, but given the choice between Penelope and Penelope, the decision is obvious.

I just pointed out how you completely refused to listen to the person you are voting for. It's scummy.

And hey, that's exactly my opinion. I can't decide between Cebastian and Terrence, so I vote for you. Only that I don't accuse people of steering away in the same sentence.

Vote: Cap'n Rolfe (Redblade)

[def]

I just pointed out how you completely refused to listen to the person you are voting for. It's scummy.

And hey, that's exactly my opinion. I can't decide between Cebastian and Terrence, so I vote for you. Only that I don't accuse people of steering away in the same sentence.

Vote: Cap'n Rolfe (Redblade)

Now this is really unhelpful. You are basically throwing away your vote.

I don't know who the scum are, but I think all townies should be giving their input on the main people on the block, and not avoiding it. If Peter is scum, this is a good move to not have any blood on his hands tomorrow (another sign that there aren't five scum).

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Why has Bernard been asking me so many questions, then simply ignoring every answer? It's as if he really didn't care what the answers were.

[Chillax Darth Frodo]

What answers are you waiting for...answers from?

[def]

What answers are you waiting for...answers from?

You ask a question, you ask many questions, and I answer them. Your response? Still waiting for it. Usually town (and even scum, I guess) give their interpretations of the answers. In your case I get the feeling that they weren't even questions, just accusations wrapped in a question mark.

I'm a little pissed to be taken out this way, but it will be satisfying watching the entire town rip you to shreds tomorrow, tempering my feelings. I think town will be able to turn it around after this.

[Chillax Darth Frodo]

You ask a question, you ask many questions, and I answer them. Your response? Still waiting for it. Usually town (and even scum, I guess) give their interpretations of the answers. In your case I get the feeling that they weren't even questions, just accusations wrapped in a question mark.

I'm a little pissed to be taken out this way, but it will be satisfying watching the entire town rip you to shreds tomorrow, tempering my feelings. I think town will be able to turn it around after this.

I think we're doing the right thing. If you're a Malone and the Town takes it out on me tomorrow, that would be unfortunate since I am a Malone. I looked back and I don't see any specific questions I asked you. I explained to others where the concerns came from and you answered the concerns, but I haven't found anything you've said to be compelling enough to change my vote. Nor do I find your behavior since becoming the main lynch target convincing that you are a Townie either.

It doesn't appear that you've convinced five other people that you're a Malone either. Hopefully they are all Malones as well. Wouldn't that be nice of the Scum to put themselves all in one basket like that for us, by not voting for you? Either way, they all have their own suspicions of you and nothing you've said seems to be convincing them otherwise either.

And pay closer attention, Kristina has already opened up communication with me. It'd be nice if we can start clearing people. Investigator, again, you can't be killed, so why are you not sharing your results with us? It will certainly help us figure this out and give us a solid base to plan with.

[def]

I think we're doing the right thing. If you're a Malone and the Town takes it out on me tomorrow, that would be unfortunate since I am a Malone. I looked back and I don't see any specific questions I asked you. I explained to others where the concerns came from and you answered the concerns, but I haven't found anything you've said to be compelling enough to change my vote. Nor do I find your behavior since becoming the main lynch target convincing that you are a Townie either.

Good job with that one.

It doesn't appear that you've convinced five other people that you're a Malone either. Hopefully they are all Malones as well. Wouldn't that be nice of the Scum to put themselves all in one basket like that for us, by not voting for you? Either way, they all have their own suspicions of you and nothing you've said seems to be convincing them otherwise either.

Yes, scum like to clump in easily trackable clusters

And pay closer attention, Kristina has already opened up communication with me. It'd be nice if we can start clearing people. Investigator, again, you can't be killed, so why are you not sharing your results with us? It will certainly help us figure this out and give us a solid base to plan with.

Sorry, if I had a scum board to consult, I would have known that. I missed that point. So the little town PM group have a scum in their midst. Hopefully Kristina was conservative with sharing the protector's name.

Investigator, keep your name to yourself. When my towniness is revealed tomorrow, the town will have a clear lynch, and if there is confusion about where to go day 6, that would be when to reveal.

Reread what I've written today. I am vanilla, so all I can do is tell things from my perspective, but hopefully it will help out in future days. Malones all the way!

[CorneliusMurdock]

When my towniness is revealed tomorrow, the town will have a clear lynch, and if there is confusion about where to go day 6, that would be when to reveal.

I don't see how that's a clear lynch. Dad's not the only one that is voting for you nor has he been insistent that you be the one we vote for above everyone else. Your logic that either you or him must be scum just doesn't work.

Really, though, even if what dear old dad says isn't true and the investigator is vulnerable, it still wouldn't be a bad idea for him or her to come forward now. Let's assume 4 or 5 scum. There are 11 of us right now. Do the math. Tomorrow, the most we'll have alive is 9 and it's probable only 8. If we cannot start picking off the scum, we're toast.

You must have a few results by now and even a couple of results on those alive today would be extremely beneficial in pointing us the right way. And if my sister is being truthful and we have a protector still, I'd think you'd have priority. We have some good leads, yes, but actual results would be really awesome right now.

[Chillax Darth Frodo]

That would be a very clever move, but there's one other possibility. On the day that Dogukan claimed he had been silenced (except he spoke anyway...), there was one other person who claimed to have been silenced: Adelaide. Now, both of those have been verified as town, so there's no reason to believe any of them were lying. I think I remember Adelaide said the wording of her message implied she had been blocked, so if this silencing thing is in fact the side effect of a block, it's only natural that both town and scum have a blocker. It's possible that Peter was blocked by the town blocker, but that brings the question, who did the scum blocker block? Or maybe Peter is the scum blocker, and since he was blocked, couldn't perform his action...

That is an interesting possibility...

[mostlytechnic]

Really, though, even if what dear old dad says isn't true and the investigator is vulnerable, it still wouldn't be a bad idea for him or her to come forward now. Let's assume 4 or 5 scum. There are 11 of us right now. Do the math. Tomorrow, the most we'll have alive is 9 and it's probable only 8. If we cannot start picking off the scum, we're toast.

You must have a few results by now and even a couple of results on those alive today would be extremely beneficial in pointing us the right way. And if my sister is being truthful and we have a protector still, I'd think you'd have priority. We have some good leads, yes, but actual results would be really awesome right now.

I was about to go "look at this scum!" on you for wanting the investigator outed, but I rethought the math and I think you're right. It's time, and if we're wrong on today's lynch then we're just about screwed. I'm gonna assume though that the investigator can't ACTUALLY help much today though (doesn't have a result on Dex [or has one that confirms D as scum, but is staying quiet since he's got enough votes on him anyway] and hasn't found any scum) so if there's nothing actually immediately helpful I can see why he'd stay quiet... I'd still rather know though. Even just knowing a couple proven townies could help with all of today's debating on others. If we KNOW that certain people are legit, then it gives their side more weight.

[Chillax Darth Frodo]

Not to mention, the investigator can't be killed! It's true. We know this.

[Capt. Redblade]

It stands to reason that most people are aware of the alter ego of my alter ego. I'm sure that a group of four or five Scum would all be aware of it. (By the way, I'd think there were five in total) Does Penelope really not know or is she trying to seem like she doesn't know in order to seem like she's not talking to a group of people who would know. Did that make sense?

Most, but not all. I'll admit I still wasn't totally sure until you posted as Hinckley in a previous game thread and then whined about not being able to make fun of Scumba anymore. But then, I don't have a team of four other people to talk to

[Chillax Darth Frodo]

But then, I don't have a team of four other people to talk to

Or possibly three, right?

[Capt. Redblade]

Or possibly three, right?

Possibly. But five scum total is more likely, I think.

[Palathadric]

It stands to reason that most people are aware of the alter ego of my alter ego. I'm sure that a group of four or five Scum would all be aware of it. (By the way, I'd think there were five in total) Does Penelope really not know or is she trying to seem like she doesn't know in order to seem like she's not talking to a group of people who would know. Did that make sense?

Eh? I thought it was a pretty obvious joke. Maybe I should have used a " " instead of a " " but I didn't think anyone would take it as anything other than a joke.

[Chillax Darth Frodo]

Oh, ha ha. I get it.

[def]

I don't see how that's a clear lynch. Dad's not the only one that is voting for you nor has he been insistent that you be the one we vote for above everyone else. Your logic that either you or him must be scum just doesn't work.

Dad's not the only one, but he's the one who's been the most aggressive for it, even while saying he wasn't sure about it. And he really isn't interested in discussing it, there are just lots of statements from him which are written in stone, it seems. That all says to me he took advantage of the Patricia kill to get another townie lynched. Add to that his very atypical behavior with me right from the start, and it adds up to scum. Why is it that he has doggedly accused me of being scum every lifetime, from the start, but the one time I am supposedly scum, he has no suspicions from the start? Looks like he was trying to tiptoe around me to avoid my eye.

You strongly wanted to vote for me as well, but I don't doubt your role-claim. Katrina is making a much softer claim, based on her lending her ear to Patricia and Bernard I assume. The rest voting for me are more likely the scum, possibly trying to save Priscilla. Anyway, you can try to make sense of it how you will on night 5. Actually, I don't blame you for voting me out, after the way the night started. That was certainly a mistake. I don't think I am mistaken about Bernard though. Don't accept "oops!" as an excuse.