Scubacarrot Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 ... "You're forgetting the whole Piro debacle. Someone you killed, by the way."
Kadabra Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 "You're forgetting the whole Piro debacle. Someone you killed, by the way." And you should be able to see exactly why we did that if you read those PMs I quoted and you'll find it to be perfectly earnest, if a little misguided. Besides, you literally know what my targets and my second action are, and by tonight I'll either be in the town block or have 15 angry block-ees raining destruction on me. Putting me to sleep is a waste of your talents, assuming you're town. And that still doesn't answer why you're putting only me to sleep, instead of the usual crowd of scummy or vaguely scummy or really anybody you feel like players. Nice question dodge.
Scubacarrot Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 Because I feel like putting you to sleep, and a bunch of the players already put their actions in, one of those is probably innocent too (my attacker), also something I realized, I'm going to need to be conservative with ether if there's no way to get more. You're sleeping now, tomorrow you're investigated. Seems great to me. Actually there is a way for me to get more, but tonics are better.
Kadabra Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 Because I feel like putting you to sleep, and a bunch of the players already put their actions in, one of those is probably innocent too (my attacker), also something I realized, I'm going to need to be conservative with ether if there's no way to get more. You're sleeping now, tomorrow you're investigated. Seems great to me. Actually there is a way for me to get more, but tonics are better. I'm investigated today, genius. By nightfall I'll be in or dead. Putting me to sleep is a waste of your Ether since my action today does nothing except help the town.
Scubacarrot Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 "I disagree. But there you go. What's the chance you got hold of a bow which you're using to change your action? I don't know. But it all doesn't matter, as I can't change my action at this point as it will leave Cromeo unstunned. If one were to be particularly cynical one could say that was your plan with this whining, but we are not particularly cynical." "And what I said is accurate, by tomorrow you are investigated, so hang in there, buddy."
Brickdoctor Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 Look at these attackers who could use ranged attacks who suddenly are attacking in public to look more townie-ish when they attack me. So Maxi was innocent...no idea what's going on there. I don't know what Maxi is trying to pull off, but I've already given Day's worth of arguments against him and Fleyra, so I'll refrain from reposting those. Swinehurst (and Theodor and Kharybdis) already have formulated and set in motion a plan to kill me and revive me later once my innocence is proven. Carry on. I do nothing.
Kadabra Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 "I disagree. But there you go. What's the chance you got hold of a bow which you're using to change your action? I don't know. But it all doesn't matter, as I can't change my action at this point as it will leave Cromeo unstunned. If one were to be particularly cynical one could say that was your plan with this whining, but we are not particularly cynical." "And what I said is accurate, by tomorrow you are investigated, so hang in there, buddy." It's obvious you aren't going to change your action, but will you please explain to me how attacking Brienne, Cromeo, and Corelin is an anti-town move? Look at these attackers who could use ranged attacks who suddenly are attacking in public to look more townie-ish when they attack me. So Maxi was innocent...no idea what's going on there. I don't know what Maxi is trying to pull off, but I've already given Day's worth of arguments against him and Fleyra, so I'll refrain from reposting those. Swinehurst (and Theodor and Kharybdis) already have formulated and set in motion a plan to kill me and revive me later once my innocence is proven. Carry on. I take Cover and then attack Maxi. We'll be able to get an essence no problem assuming Chromeo is scum... Call me an optimist, but I'm still hopeful that you got framed. I just don't believe it.
Waterbrick Down Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 Look at these attackers who could use ranged attacks who suddenly are attacking in public to look more townie-ish when they attack me. So Maxi was innocent...no idea what's going on there. I don't know what Maxi is trying to pull off, but I've already given Day's worth of arguments against him and Fleyra, so I'll refrain from reposting those. Swinehurst (and Theodor and Kharybdis) already have formulated and set in motion a plan to kill me and revive me later once my innocence is proven. Carry on. I take Cover and then attack Maxi. "So you take cover to block any attacks after admitting that Swinehurst and Theodor and Kharybdis are going to have to attack you to kill you and then revive you? Plus you attack an already dead Maxi? And this is where the comedy starts folks."
Scubacarrot Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 Look at these attackers who could use ranged attacks who suddenly are attacking in public to look more townie-ish when they attack me. So Maxi was innocent...no idea what's going on there. I don't know what Maxi is trying to pull off, but I've already given Day's worth of arguments against him and Fleyra, so I'll refrain from reposting those. Swinehurst (and Theodor and Kharybdis) already have formulated and set in motion a plan to kill me and revive me later once my innocence is proven. Carry on. I take Cover and then attack Maxi. Why did you defend yourself last night, then? It's obvious you aren't going to change your action, but will you please explain to me how attacking Brienne, Cromeo, and Corelin is an anti-town move? You can easily change your action, you can easily be attacking them just to get their things, and I doubt all three of them are scum.
Kadabra Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 Why did you defend yourself last night, then? You can easily change your action, you can easily be attacking them just to get their things, and I doubt all three of them are scum. Fair enough.
Pyrovisionary Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 (edited) Look at these attackers who could use ranged attacks who suddenly are attacking in public to look more townie-ish when they attack me. So Maxi was innocent...no idea what's going on there. I don't know what Maxi is trying to pull off, but I've already given Day's worth of arguments against him and Fleyra, so I'll refrain from reposting those. Swinehurst (and Theodor and Kharybdis) already have formulated and set in motion a plan to kill me and revive me later once my innocence is proven. Carry on. I take Cover and then attack Maxi. Edit: Lol Sarcasm Right, attacking the three suspects today=scummy. Cromeo encouraging me- buddying. Brienne played me, I admit... And Calico, and you. You didn't suspect her until Maxi's investigation, either. I've got the PMs, too, y'know. But the real question is: you can put to sleep as many people as you have Ether. Why did you stop putting scummy people to sleep and only put me to sleep when my action is in direct collaboration with everyone else? I think you might have a vendetta against me. That, or a severe case of stupid with a side of power trip. Edit: You are really getting on my nerves. Luridan's being more freaking help than you, so stop arguing and do what you're claiming to do; Help the town. Do this by not cluttering up the discussion with arguments and try to be constructive and productive. Also, Scamander put you to sleep before you posted your action. And right now missy guess freaking what? The evidence is starting to point in your bloody direction now. Sorry if I'm making a bad argument but I'm going with my gut feeling. Piro Uses a venom on his staff and encourages himself. Edited September 14, 2013 by Pyrovisionary
Kadabra Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 Edit: Lol Sarcasm Edit: You are really getting on my nerves. Luridan's being more freaking help than you, so stop arguing and do what you're claiming to do; Help the town. Do this by not cluttering up the discussion with arguments and try to be constructive and productive. Also, Scamander put you to sleep before you posted your action. And right now missy guess freaking what? The evidence is starting to point in your bloody direction now. Sorry if I'm making a bad argument but I'm going with my gut feeling. Piro Uses a venom on his staff and encourages himself. My arguing is helping more than your lurking. When people argue they're more likely to slip up and reveal information. In addition, I have been more constructive and productive than most of the players in the game, unlike you. The only useful things we've gotten from you is your alignment upon death. And there is no evidence pointing in my direction besides the fact that I was close to Brienne, a statement also true of Calico. Gut feelings are worth little more than blind guesses in games like this, try using logic for once. Also, you were close to Ezeal. We were in the same situation, so you'd think that you would realize how circumstantial that single piece of evidence is.
Duvors Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 Look at these attackers who could use ranged attacks who suddenly are attacking in public to look more townie-ish when they attack me. So Maxi was innocent...no idea what's going on there. I don't know what Maxi is trying to pull off, but I've already given Day's worth of arguments against him and Fleyra, so I'll refrain from reposting those. Swinehurst (and Theodor and Kharybdis) already have formulated and set in motion a plan to kill me and revive me later once my innocence is proven. Carry on. "I know nothing about reviving ye, all I know is tha' ye are most likely a Nephilim, ye are making a feeble attempt tae save yer own skin, and I Poisoned ye last night."
Kadabra Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 "I know nothing about reviving ye, all I know is tha' ye are most likely a Nephilim, ye are making a feeble attempt tae save yer own skin, and I Poisoned ye last night." Obviously you know nothing about reviving him. For one, it'll only happen if he flips town, so there was no need to really proclaim it loud for all to hear, it was really just a given. For two, why would we tell you anyway?
Pyrovisionary Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 My arguing is helping more than your lurking. When people argue they're more likely to slip up and reveal information. In addition, I have been more constructive and productive than most of the players in the game, unlike you. The only useful things we've gotten from you is your alignment upon death. And there is no evidence pointing in my direction besides the fact that I was close to Brienne, a statement also true of Calico. Gut feelings are worth little more than blind guesses in games like this, try using logic for once. Also, you were close to Ezeal. We were in the same situation, so you'd think that you would realize how circumstantial that single piece of evidence is. Yeah, maybe I haven't been that helpful. I'm a born suboordinate. You don't need evidence to kill someone. Why was Ezeal killed? I'm pretty sure because he was close to me and acting rather scummy. And you are close to Brienne and acting rather scummy. This is my reasoning, I'm set in my ways, no need for a pointless argument etc. Also, I'm only lurking because I've got nothing to say. And Calicio wasn't acting as scummy as you. But I'm new to this sort of thing, I don't know what the etiquette is. But you're more suspicious than she was to me.
Duvors Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 Obviously you know nothing about reviving him. For one, it'll only happen if he flips town, so there was no need to really proclaim it loud for all to hear, it was really just a given. For two, why would we tell you anyway? "I did hear it mentioned several times but as far as I know it was never agreed upon, probably because tha only person I herd suggesting tha' is a probable Nephilim, an' just because ye never told me anythin' doesnae mean other people dinnae."
Flipz Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 "No need ta 'pologize, Kharybdis--much as I'd like ta see more o' Brienne's silly impressions, I already find tha rest o' tha' conversation as funny as heck. Guess folks haven't been payin' much 'tention ta tha changes in my IRL life since I first joined Eurobricks Heroica. 's fine, 'm used ta it a' this poin'. " "Geosmos, 'm not completely sure what tha whisperin' is (somethin' ta do wi' reassuring people o' yer loyalty? I need ta re-check my mem'ries o' tha previous Day or two), but if it's ben'ficial, I'd recommend findin' a diff'ren' target T'day an' tryin' me 'gain t'Night--I'm Hidin' at tha momen', so ya'd be wastin' yer action." "Oh, an' Piro, I'm pretty sure tha Venom is used d'rectly on someone else. Not a bad idea puttin' it on yer weapon, tho, p'raps tha'll catch on among future Heroes some day." ( )
Kadabra Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 Yeah, maybe I haven't been that helpful. I'm a born suboordinate. You don't need evidence to kill someone. Why was Ezeal killed? I'm pretty sure because he was close to me and acting rather scummy. And you are close to Brienne and acting rather scummy. This is my reasoning, I'm set in my ways, no need for a pointless argument etc. Also, I'm only lurking because I've got nothing to say. And Calicio wasn't acting as scummy as you. But I'm new to this sort of thing, I don't know what the etiquette is. But you're more suspicious than she was to me. You do need evidence to kill someone. Ezeal was killed because of our evidence: Red flag from Pauline's list. Decided on as a suspicion when he attacked Kob for no reason. Sealed his own fate when he flailed in thread. Killing people without evidence is known as being bad at the game if you're Town or being scum. If Calico was not as scummy as me, then why was she killed and not me? You are correct that we don't need to argue: I'm asleep right now and will be confirmed Town by nightfall. Might as well just thank me for my contributions in catching pretty much every scum so far and then move on. Then, just some advice for if you decide to get in on the mafia scene: Evidence is everything. Hunches are only good when you have evidence to back them up. Lurking is a no-no. When people don't have solid suspicions, they policy lynch lurkers. As long as you're not adding nothing to the topic at hand (sheeping, pointless RPing/fluff, off topic discussion, stating the obvious, being wishy-washy) you should always throw in your two cents. No matter how inexperienced you are it is possible that you have seen or considered something from a different angle and your opinion is therefore valuable. In addition, by remaining quiet you are depriving the Town of information they can use to judge you, and depriving the Town of information is a huge scum tell. Don't back down on your suspicions. Tunnel vision is one thing but if you think someone is suspicious do not let them worm out from under your notice unless they give a dang good reason. Also do not :shrug: . Indecisiveness gets you or your teammates killed. "I did hear it mentioned several times but as far as I know it was never agreed upon, probably because tha only person I herd suggesting tha' is a probable Nephilim, an' just because ye never told me anythin' doesnae mean other people dinnae." Only probable Nephilim about are Brienne, Chromeo, and Corelin. It was agreed upon in private by Swinehurst, Theodor, and myself, and none of us told you because your input does not matter in this situation. You are not important as a suspect or a town leader and therefore are not in the loop on everything. Just because you aren't privy to something does not mean that it is a Nephilim ploy. "No need ta 'pologize, Kharybdis--much as I'd like ta see more o' Brienne's silly impressions, I already find tha rest o' tha' conversation as funny as heck. Guess folks haven't been payin' much 'tention ta tha changes in my IRL life since I first joined Eurobricks Heroica. 's fine, 'm used ta it a' this poin'. " "Geosmos, 'm not completely sure what tha whisperin' is (somethin' ta do wi' reassuring people o' yer loyalty? I need ta re-check my mem'ries o' tha previous Day or two), but if it's ben'ficial, I'd recommend findin' a diff'ren' target T'day an' tryin' me 'gain t'Night--I'm Hidin' at tha momen', so ya'd be wastin' yer action." "Oh, an' Piro, I'm pretty sure tha Venom is used d'rectly on someone else. Not a bad idea puttin' it on yer weapon, tho, p'raps tha'll catch on among future Heroes some day." ( ) When Geosmos uses his action the target receives a message from God proclaiming that he is Neutral and means no harm to the town. On its own this would be dumb, but his attack increases for each person he convinces, making it slightly less dumb.
Flipz Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 "while I 'gree wi' all o' tha', I also ought ta poin' out tha' situations like these can end up bein' a lot more intense on folks than they'd expect, 'specially their firs' time. It's not fer tha faint o' heart--dead or 'live, I'm hopin' this is tha las' time I have ta go through somethin' like this. 'M too old fer this." Zpilf smiles, a tired gesture from a world-weary soul.
Chromeknight Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 It's obvious you aren't going to change your action, but will you please explain to me how attacking Cromeo is an anti-town move? We'll be able to get an essence no problem assuming Chromeo is scum... Call me an optimist, but I'm still hopeful that you got framed. I just don't believe it. Lets see. Either I am town, genuine in raising Enya (which will happen before I die). Hence killing me is anti town. Or I'm feinting in saying I'll raise Enya and have actually passed the essence to one of my remaining friends, hence killing me does not net you an essence to raise a new pet. But never mind. I'm sure someone will get round to killing the whispering framer sometime.
Kadabra Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 "while I 'gree wi' all o' tha', I also ought ta poin' out tha' situations like these can end up bein' a lot more intense on folks than they'd expect, 'specially their firs' time. It's not fer tha faint o' heart--dead or 'live, I'm hopin' this is tha las' time I have ta go through somethin' like this. 'M too old fer this." Zpilf smiles, a tired gesture from a world-weary soul. Situations like these pit you against your friends and make you want to kill everybody around you. We consider them a fun way of passing time. Lets see. Either I am town, genuine in raising Enya (which will happen before I die). Hence killing me is anti town. Or I'm feinting in saying I'll raise Enya and have actually passed the essence to one of my remaining friends, hence killing me does not net you an essence to raise a new pet. But never mind. I'm sure someone will get round to killing the whispering framer sometime. Not a framer, he visited me last night. Besides, our theory was converter, not framer. And killing you nets us 50 gold or an Enya, either one is good.
Flipz Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 When Geosmos uses his action the target receives a message from God proclaiming that he is Neutral and means no harm to the town. On its own this would be dumb, but his attack increases for each person he convinces, making it slightly less dumb. "Ah, 'n tha' case, 't's even more importan' tha' he not waste 'is action on me. Hmm...does it work if tha person ya convinced is dead? P'raps ya could use it on one o' tha condemned, get some good use out o' them." Situations like these pit you against your friends and make you want to kill everybody around you. We consider them a fun way of passing time. "A younger me'd 've 'greed wi' ya. The me o' tha present? Not so much. Time, an' life, can change a man's perspective. Can change it a lot, actually, an' faster'n ya'd ever 'magine." Not a framer, he visited me last night. Besides, our theory was converter, not framer. And killing you nets us 50 gold or an Enya, either one is good. "...I'm suddenly glad I didn' decide ta change my action ta let 'im whisper ta me." "Obv'ously, you'd be like ta trust 'im, but what about those he hasn' spoken ta? I hadn' been considrin' tha possibility o' conversions...wha' if tha's wha tha Nephilim've been doin' tha Nigh's they di'n't kill?" "Arr...just gave meself a headache tryin' ta figure out tha' possible cand'dates. I'll try again in tha mornin'."
Kadabra Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 Conversions have always been a possibility, considering that they're mentioned in the rules. We can prove that Geosmos didn't convert me when I'm investigated today. And for now the fact that I came forward and told you when I could've just not let anyone know at all should be seen as a sign of good faith until tonight, when faith won't be necessary.
Flipz Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 "Wai'--framer'd work jus' fine, even if 'e did visit ya. I don't see why 'e couldn' be a framer--unless ya know somethin' I don', which is plenty poss'ble." "'Nother poss'bility tha' came ta mind'd be tha' o' a Cult, but tha' don' seem righ', consid'rin' tha' tha Nephilim are technically cultists 'lready. (Tho tha' does s'pport tha 'bility ta convert--hopef'lly tha converter, if there was/is one, is among tha dead already." Conversions have always been a possibility, considering that they're mentioned in the rules. We can prove that Geosmos didn't convert me when I'm investigated today. And for now the fact that I came forward and told you when I could've just not let anyone know at all should be seen as a sign of good faith until tonight, when faith won't be necessary. "Hmm...fair 'nough. Like I said, I'll try thinkin' 'gain after I've had some sleep an' can think clearly."
Duvors Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 Only probable Nephilim about are Brienne, Chromeo, and Corelin. It was agreed upon in private by Swinehurst, Theodor, and myself, and none of us told you because your input does not matter in this situation. You are not important as a suspect or a town leader and therefore are not in the loop on everything. Just because you aren't privy to something does not mean that it is a Nephilim ploy. "Chromeo was tha one who mentioned it, and it had nothing tae do wi' yer 'loop', it was mentioned before a lot of people an' if he wants tae do tha' then who are we tae stop him."
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