Generic Contest Discussion

[Boulderer]

The poll idea sounds like a good solution. I like the idea of live results, for those that have already voted.

[Jim]

Live results might influence your own voting even more, than it does now.

[Zerobricks]

Live results might influence your own voting even more, than it does now.

You can always make poll invisible untill the deadline.

[veryhappy]

In my opinion allowing you to split the points at will is a very good thing but seeing that a lot of people preffer some fixed values like F1 I will suggest a mixed system.

For example 20 points to distribute but 15 of them MUST be in the form 7 points to an entry, 5 to another and 3 to another.

The 5 points left don't have any restriction so you can split them in whatever way you want

[Jim]

For clarity sake it's better to do either or, instead of both (hybrid voting).

[W3ird_N3rd]

I don't know if it has been suggested yet, but I think it might be interesting to have a C-model contest, possibly restricted in size (small, medium and large?). It's exactly what you think it is: you can only use the parts from an existing model to create something else.

As for the voting discussion, I like having 20 points as I can better distribute them this way. I think it would be fair to limit the maximum number of points per entry to 3-4 instead of 10 because a few people giving out 10 points now indeed pushes a model far ahead.

Edited August 5, 2014 by W3ird_N3rd

[Boulderer]

Live results might influence your own voting even more, than it does now.

I was thinking along the lines that the results only show when you have completed the poll, and you are unable to change your votes, once cast. I guess the difficulty would lie in discussion on the results, that may be open to abuse. Though this will always be a potential issue with any open voting system.

[__________________________]

A Flagishi[ contest would be cool.

[Erik Leppen]

In my opinion allowing you to split the points at will is a very good thing but seeing that a lot of people preffer some fixed values like F1 I will suggest a mixed system.

Why?

With the totally-free point distribution system all those "lot of people" can distribute their points the way they prefer. Why force those who want to vote differently into a specific, and frankly rather arbitrary, point system?

If I feel that three top entries are requally good, I want to allot the same number of points to three entries. How I want to distribute the points totally depends on what entries there are. So a good voting system is usable no matter which entries there are - and the freer the point distribution, the better.

The better everyone's individual point distribution expressed his or her feeling best, the better the final scoring will represent the general combined feeling of everyone who voted. And isn't that the whole idea of voting at all?

I'm thinking of giving 20 entries one point. If that distrubiton represents my feeling best, I should be able to do that, right? (To be honest, I love voting systems that leave me free to distribute my points how I want, rather than using arbitrary magic numbers just because some well-known system uses those same arbitrary magic numbers. But I hate "doing what others do because others do it" anyway.).

Edited August 5, 2014 by Erik Leppen

[hrontos]

F1 voting system or any similar voting system is strongly bound to the nature of the competition.

They are not random nicely looking numbers.

They are designed to somehow express how difficult it is to achieve a certain place.

In F1 you get 25 points for winning, only 15 points for being third.

But value of 15 was chosen, because somebody found out that it is more difficult and therefore more valuable to be twice 3rd than once 1st and second time not to score at all.

For technic contest to find such numbers can be quite tricky and therefore I like the freedom of the standard voting we are used to.

Edited August 5, 2014 by hrontos

[Eraman]

I would be glad about a flagship or a C model contest, both sound good:) When will the next contest start? (of course if it will be)

[Zerobricks]

A C model of a set like Hot rod or simillar would be interesting... And OFC if you dont have it you have to buy it to compete hence Lego could sponsor this one too...

[Boulderer]

A C model of a set like Hot rod or simillar would be interesting... And OFC if you dont have it you have to buy it to compete hence Lego could sponsor this one too...

Like most of us need an excuse to buy a new set

[Eraman]

If C model contest will be the winner, I would not insist on the colours.

If you have the exact parts (shape) but not the original colour, you can use it. So you don't need to buy the set...maybe only some part in any colours.

[legomuppet9]

If C model contest will be the winner, I would not insist on the colours.

If you have the exact parts (shape) but not the original colour, you can use it. So you don't need to buy the set...maybe only some part in any colours.

I agree, and then you could make an LDD file to go alongside to show what the colours should be - some people, me included, just don't have the money to buy even £30 sets I normally buy one or two sets a year, depending mainly on what parts they include so just buying a set for a contest is out of the question

Edited August 9, 2014 by legomuppet9

[Jeroen Ottens]

I like the open vote scheme, but with a max of 5 points per entry, regardless the total number of points.

I don't like the F1 scoring system because it does no justice to the relative quality of the entries.

This contest is not about the relative position of the entries, it is about the relative quality IMHO.

Of course you could argue that the 5 point rule limits also the relative quality range, but so far there have always been enough high quality entries in the contests to make that just a theoretical problem.

[Seasider]

Would love a c model competition. Would put everyone on an even keel with the same parts list

[Erik Leppen]

Not everyone has all the parts or is willing to buy parts for a competition. At least, I won't.

I'm all for putting everyone on the same scale as parts goes, but why not compose a custom list of parts that are fairly common?

Edit: also, I'm not in the race for the prizes. There can be a competition even without prizes. I think competitions are much like "challenges" in the sense that they request us to build in a way that we don't normally do, resulting in a model that otherwise wouldn't have existed.

Edited August 9, 2014 by Erik Leppen

[hrontos]

I'm all for putting everyone on the same scale as parts goes, but why not compose a custom list of parts that are fairly common?

This is also a good idea. The C-model idea is interesting for me mainly because it somehow pushes people from being a collector to being a creator. And shows that also with 200 parts model there are many possibilities. I remember a topic where somebody made 10 C-models out of one roughly 200 parts set. I wonder if whole comunity could cover whole aplhabet.

[allanp]

What about a contest to build the missing 2002 flagship? This would be cool to see what people come up with but it might be difficult for everyone to enter and to enforce because only parts released prior to 2003 would be allowed. Though an LDD file would help.

[Alasdair Ryan]

What about a contest to build the missing 2002 flagship? This would be cool to see what people come up with but it might be difficult for everyone to enter and to enforce because only parts released prior to 2003 would be allowed. Though an LDD file would help.

We could make a temporary inventory of parts allowed for both LDD and MLcad/SR3D users...

Edited August 9, 2014 by Alasdair Ryan

[zweihander]

I think a C-model event should not be a competition, it should be an event like a theme month, without prizes. This way, members who do not own the set can share their digital creations. Nobody gets left out, and we all see more awesome creations!

There are a lot of sets to go through, this event can be done bi-monthly. What I am saying is, whenever there is not a competition, there should be a c-model event! I am excited by the idea :)

[hrontos]

For me the digital and real entries are equal. I do not like when competition is about size of someone's budget. MINI contest was good because the part limit was low so virtually anybody could participate.

So for me it is. completely ok if potential C-model would allow digital entries. EB stuff can decide if it will be theme month or a competition. It will be fun and challenge anyway. And again a good source of nice models for those who own the set.

I somehow understand that in traditional competitions the digital entries are not allowed as stock of digital bricks is not limited and gives unlimited possibilities. But in C-model competition parts are given so digital entries have no advantage.

[Boulderer]

I somehow understand that in traditional competitions the digital entries are not allowed as stock of digital bricks is not limited and gives unlimited possibilities. But in C-model competition parts are given so digital entries have no advantage.

I think this makes the perfect case for the inclusion of digital entries in such an event

[Erik Leppen]

I think if we want to convince the competition leader that digital entries should be allowed, the first thing to do is ask why are digital entries not allowed?

A problem I would have with digital entries is that you can't check their buildability. At least when something is a photograph you can be sure the model actually stays together.