Mafia After Dark - Night 7: The Godfather - Part III

[Palathadric]

3. It seems obvious that Donny didn't really "know" anything. If he had, he had plenty of time to share in the Night thread and the day thread later on. I'm assuming he just thought we should be discussing something more worthwhile. I do recall somebody mentioning something about Shane and Colin's argument, and possibly she had seen something there, but it's not like there's much to speculate on now. It just is odd isn't it how you're always passing the buck on and expecting other people to do things for you. Instead of adding stuff of your own, you question people as to how they feel about the subject being discussed. Why didn't you share what you felt?

You can imagine anythign you want, but it honestly was just the chance of when I happened to read the night thread.

How come I made my post at 11:10 pm, my time, and you remained online until 1:02 am, my time, and you failed to see my post?

[mostlytechnic]

How come I made my post at 11:10 pm, my time, and you remained online until 1:02 am, my time, and you failed to see my post?

Objection, your honor. Asked and answered.

But sicne you obviously aren't paying attention - I don't know why tou saw me on here. I did not see the post until I answered. I might have been still on EB, or I might have left the page open, or EB just didn't change to show I wasn't here. I don't know. You really think at such a critical time I'd just IGNORE such a massive accusation?

[Palathadric]

No, I think you'd ignore it until somebody took action on it, which is what you did.

Rambling bunch of nothing here, except for the part in the middle digging for info on doctors and Person A. Hmmm...

Scum or dumb? Oh wait, that's going into the policy lynch realm again. So more seriously... is this legit ignorance (and laziness, since there's so many references out there to look things up) or scum trying to act like they don't know what's going on with the scum?

1. I was confidant at the time that you and Candy were scum, but I wanted to have my bases covered. I wanted to be certain that a strong scum team couldn't be playing weak members of town against each other. Analysis was important. I was not really asking for the identity of Person A, I felt confidant at the time that it was Cebastian due to what must have been some miscalculation on my part. Although, I have not found, and can't honestly say I looked, for the first time that Kristina mentioned being in contact with Cebastian. Frankly, I don't care anyway. Kristina is not the suspected scum here, so I'll take her word for what she told me.

2. Scum or dumb? Neither really. I was interested in knowing and I wanted to give someone the chance to answer, because sometimes scum will say things to try to confuse what seem to be unintelligent townies. Something that I missed then, but later saw was that Cebastien had said on one of the early days something to the effect of scum not likely to have both a doctor and blocker. I forget his wording, and I won't bother to look, but he contradicted himself there, but unfortunately I missed it.

Objection, your honor. Asked and answered.

But sicne you obviously aren't paying attention - I don't know why tou saw me on here. I did not see the post until I answered. I might have been still on EB, or I might have left the page open, or EB just didn't change to show I wasn't here. I don't know. You really think at such a critical time I'd just IGNORE such a massive accusation?

One would think that this likely being the last day, you would be pretty faithful to check in, at least if you were actually on EB.

[Palathadric]

Blatant bandwagoning here. Pen's vote wasn't even needed - Terrence was already lynched before she placed this vote, so it was just scum solidifying the lynch of a town rather than voting for a teammate. Also, still more digging for info on roles!

More digging for info on the investigator and communicator. Plus, obviously willing to lynch town. And telling the vig to take out me or Candy, knowing the whole time that Candy was the far more likely target and able to be protected, wasting the vig kill.

Now, I know this isn't the most solid list of evidence in the history of Mafia. HOWEVER, note that this is practically all Pen's said in the last 3 days! Her posts are so rare that it's hard to find anything because she just doesn't talk. And MOST of the posts she did make were complete nothing. It's easy to hide as scum when you just don't ever talk. Seriously, Penelope, can you point out ANYTHING you've contributed to the town?

Yep. I was playing the sheep. I saw that there was no way Candy was going to get lynched and in general I don't like throwing on pointless votes unless I actually am pretty convinced that the person being bandwagoned is town. At that point I found Terrence scummy, but I also understood that if he was town, it would help us to understand the validity of his list, which could have been a serious stick in our wheels if we had to constantly worry about whether he was lying or not. I'm not proud of my vote for him, but I'm not killing myself over it either.

I thought the investigator was dead. I did want to know if Kristina knew who the investigator was, so that was if Kristina knew he/she was dead, and Kristina died, which was never a highly unlikely situation due to her abilities, we would know not to trust an impostor. Well, you were the two I was certain would flip scum if Terence was town. I also wasn't pointing it out for Colin's benefit, and being the player he is I doubt he paid attention to my comment anyway.

[Palathadric]

With penelope being lynched, I'm confident we will win.

You and your scum team? Unfortunately I have to agree with you here. If I'm lynched, I do think you'll win.

[Palathadric]

So, Priscilla, it seems obvious that you have no interest in commenting on the other points I raised against you. It makes sense that you went on the offensive, were you advised by your fellow scum on the writeboard? Where have you gone to now anyway? Hoping that you're done and dusted with this dirty job? I'm still waiting for your answers.

[mostlytechnic]

You and your scum team? Unfortunately I have to agree with you here. If I'm lynched, I do think you'll win.

Yeah, tell yourself that all you want - the Malones will be victorious (though mostly dead) and hunt down all the Ferraris - particularly that final one, Penelope Ferrari.

So, Priscilla, it seems obvious that you have no interest in commenting on the other points I raised against you. It makes sense that you went on the offensive, were you advised by your fellow scum on the writeboard? Where have you gone to now anyway? Hoping that you're done and dusted with this dirty job? I'm still waiting for your answers.

You need more? Ok, give me a few minutes to go over things. - though not sure it's really worth my time, given that the vote is 3-1 and it's not like I'm going to get you to vote for yourself.

[Palathadric]

HOWEVER, note that this is practically all Pen's said in the last 3 days! Her posts are so rare that it's hard to find anything because she just doesn't talk. And MOST of the posts she did make were complete nothing. It's easy to hide as scum when you just don't ever talk. Seriously, Penelope, can you point out ANYTHING you've contributed to the town?

That is based on your definition of "practically." I've posted where it counted. You speculated over whether Dexter was included in Terrence's list or not, trying to sow confusion. I simply asked Terrence to ask Tam. You've posted a lot of junk posts.

I can point out a lot of places where I helped town. But "helping town" is based on one's perception. That's why I asked them to find places where you helped town.

http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=86787&st=25#entry1697018

So, even Kristina pointed out your lurking. You've been a heavy lurker since you came, and actually even before. Should not be noted that Dexter and Candy were notorious lurkers as well.

Also, a host of the townies placed suspicions on you. Bernard even went so far as to say "You're scum" from the very moment you entered.

[mostlytechnic]

Gonna start from the end this time, since it's the things Priscilla 2.0 actually said/did and so I can explain more fully...

8. Okay, sometime around this point Priscilla died and a new body took over. This body posted fluff at the beginning and then began to cosy to me of all people.

Maybe with my reasoning on Terrence’s list, she was so certain everyone would see me as town that she wanted to be in my good graces.

7. Priscilla: http://www.eurobrick...9

Although, I admit that what I did may have appeared scummy. Do you really think I’d bother to do that if I were scum, though? Don’t you think if I were scum I would know that it’s scummier to change my vote than to keep it where it was? It’s a nice idea in theory, but in practice scum rarely if ever do something like that to appear like they voted where the bandwagon was.

Also, perhaps it should be noted that your teammate Candy was quick to pick up on it when no one else did.

6. Priscilla: http://www.eurobrick...25#entry1695465

Playing dumb in an attempt to ease pressure from Candy? Heck she almost doesn’t seem to care that the alignment of everyone dead up until that point was town.

That's why I have for now. Have yet to review the latest couple days in more depth. But I think this should be more than enough to prove her scuminess.

Besides, I challenge you to find one place where Priscilla may have helped us in some way. She's done nothing for town!

6. no, I was looking for truth. You know, like the town is supposed to do! It kills people (literally) to make assumptions and stick with them if they're wrong. And as for what have I contributed? Um, who was the one who called Colin out as SK OVER AND OVER AND OVER, and was RIGHT? Yeah, that's right, ME. If people had listened, we'd have possibly saved a couple town from his kills. Yes, he got Ceb at the end, but he was still, what, 4 or 5 town to 1 scum? Pretty piss poor record there to have been a vig.

7. WIFOM, but maybe you were thinking you'd make a pointless obvious scummy move to make yourself appear not scum. Like you're doing right now. "See, if I was scum I wouldn't have done something so dumb". Whatever, scummo.

8. Yep, got the usual day 1 fluff and then got down to business. Not trying to get on your good side - you just were actually posting something decent in the scum hunt. In hindsight, I think you were just trying to stir up distractions in the analysis of the list, but had to make it look good so you weren't obvious scum. At that point I hadn't even gottten caught up on reading all the history books, so I wasn't making any judgement on YOU at all, just on what you were saying at that moment.

[Palathadric]

6. no, I was looking for truth. You know, like the town is supposed to do! It kills people (literally) to make assumptions and stick with them if they're wrong. And as for what have I contributed? Um, who was the one who called Colin out as SK OVER AND OVER AND OVER, and was RIGHT? Yeah, that's right, ME. If people had listened, we'd have possibly saved a couple town from his kills. Yes, he got Ceb at the end, but he was still, what, 4 or 5 town to 1 scum? Pretty piss poor record there to have been a vig.

Ummm...wrong. Terrence was the one calling out Colin as the SK. It's a serious scum sign to attribute the work of others to your own. You even argued for Colin being the vig:

Eat your own post, scum:

Remembered something from earlier, right after Bernie died digging for weiners... Colin made a very false statement. Go read rule #1 again there killer - scum have to outnumber ALL OTHER players. So we could be at 4 scum, 1 neutral of some sort, and 3 town left. If that's the case, I'd suggest the town is Kristina, myself, and Colin the vig. I still can't see a logical way he's a SK unless we just got really lucky and blocked him the first night. But that doesn't fit with Terrance's list (whether Dex was the one scum or not, I still can't see more than 1 town on his list if we only have 3 town left) so I personally think we're facing 3 scum left, not 4.

Wait, let me think about this a minute. Throwing something out there... what if Colin is scum? He could still predict his kills, would explain his lie that I called out above, and then the town could be down to say myself, Kristina, and either Peter or Ceb. Still requires Dex to not have been counted, but at least I can make it work.

I don't know, just throwing stuff out. If you see a big hole in my logic point it out. I gotta run some errands, but we've got lots of time to figure out the next move. Might be our last though, so gotta make it count!

Terrance, you keep saying Colin's the SK and not vig. Why? Make a logical case. Here's my reasoning why that's not accurate. If he's SK, why skip the first opportunity he had to kill? A SK would get someone every opportunity they have since it's how they win. His targets have been wrong, sure, but our voting hasn't been much better! So not sure you can criticize him on that basis.

I ask for one reason only. If he's SK, we need to kill him. If he's vig, we need to keep him around as long as we can since we need to kill off the scum!

And now you choose to criticize his kills when then you weren't critical at all.

So yeah, I'm confident now that Colin is the vig. So that means the town is now myself, Colin, Kristina, and hopefully another. I think Terrance's list is a pile of crap cause he's scum. It was an effective gambit, certainly got everyone distracted for a long time, but it's time to move past it. So even though I just posted something about the list a second ago, I think it's worthless the more I think about it.

Penelope has raised some good points against Priscilla and has also made an interesting appeal to emotion to me via PM.

Priscilla, I'd like your views on why I shouldn't change my vote over to you.

So, are you satisfied with Priscilla's answers? We haven't heard much from you and Peter at all today. What are your thoughts. Don't you care if town goes under?

I'm wasting my breath, aren't I? You're not even around to hear and the day is rapidly approaching its close. All the best in luck, Kristina and Peter, but I'm disappointed in you two. I pray you both live to see another night so you can avenge my death or that you'll get on in time to prevent my death in the first place.

[mostlytechnic]

For the record, yes, earlier I said Colin was the vig. Note that all your quotes there are from night 5.

More recently I flipped and was pushing hard for him to get lynched. I'd go find quotes to prove my case, but I don't think there's time left in the night to do it.

Found them - guess I wasn't as adamant as I was thinking I was, but still, I was definitely saying SK here on night 6. Pretty sure I also was pushing it EARLIER but gave up for a while.

Now, as for today... we've got 7 people left. We can officially state that the scum had 4 members at most, since we've gotten 1 and the game isn't over. I think it's pretty obvious that Candy is one of the remaining scum. So tonight's lynch should be easy. After that and whoever Colin kills (assuming he's actually on our side and hunting scum...) we'll see. I'm still not confident on him anymore since he survived too. You gotta think the scum targetted him. So either we've got a protector left that protected the right person, or he's bulletproof and therefore a SK. So for that reason, can anyone confirm whether or not we still have a protector? Wait till tomorrow on that, since tonight we can lynch Candy and there's no rush to consider Colin till tomorrow night. But at that point, I think the existence of a protector (or lack of one) will be vital info to make the right call on him.

We need to consider Colin at some point, since if he IS SK then we have to take him out to win. As long as scum are going down, great, we can wait on him. But if all the scum are gone then we'd have to take him out since A) that's part of our win condition and B) he'll take out town. Heck, at this point he's batting 0 in taking out scum, so, not sure just how valuable he's been to us. You SAY he's working with us, but it sure looks questionable (yes, I know he's been taking out suspected people, and we haven't exactly done great at getting scum either, but still... )

And bulletproofness doesn't prove SK, but it sure suggests it. I'd say a SK is much more likely to be bulletproof than a vig.

Did he take hardhat, I don't recall him ever saying that. If he did, then it would likely have been to make sure no one ELSE had it, since he couldn't have known who else got the riddle right. And whether you're vig or SK, you sure wouldn't want anyone else being kill-proof. But more importantly, you can scratch all that logic out the window because he did NOT take the hard hat. *I* took it. Well, the previous Priscilla did, but whatever. I didn't say anything before because it didn't seem relevant with all the hoopla about the infamous list. But what this does show is that he did not take it (sorry, I don't know what order I took it, so I can't say whether he had the chance to take it or not - so perhaps it wasn't an option for him, but perhaps it was and he passed it up because he didn't need it.)

Now that I think about it, didn't he take the extra vote?

[Tamamono]

Final Vote Count

Penelope Talbott (Palathadric) - 3 (mostlytechnic, Kristel, Peanuts)

Priscilla Jenkins (mostlytechnic) - 1 (Palathadric)

Stay tuned.