Mandate Posted December 20, 2014 Posted December 20, 2014 (edited) Not really a spoiler, but look away if you don't want to know: Kruncha and Nuckal are back ...and their voices have swapped. *sigh* Well, here's what we know now: - Ninja want to quit. - The Serpentine have returned, and are setting up Slither Pits for use by humans and everyone else. - Nindroids are security bots now - Nya chose Cole *confirmed now* - Hageman brothers make another cameo at the Slither Pit - Lloyd's talk with Kai about "chosen ones" and looking at someone other than himself (Kai) seems to be hinting at something. Buuuuut, after last season I wouldn't take note of it. - The Bounty is being rebuilt! - Garmadon definitely has a negative history with Chen - Oh boy. Kai is in love with Skylor. - Garmadon is coming too. - Nya has powers too - The UA references are just cameos. - No information yet on how Chen captured Zane. - Golden Armor is going to be a major plot point later on, calling it now All in all, a bit fast-paced, but it's probably NINJAGO's best "introduction" episode. Edited December 20, 2014 by JayWalker Quote
Gatanui Posted December 20, 2014 Posted December 20, 2014 Oh man, I really loved this episode so much. One of my favorite overall so far. :happy: I'm really hopeful for this season! Quote
Mandate Posted December 20, 2014 Posted December 20, 2014 (edited) Hang on a second... Lloyd is the "chosen one" because he's basically a direct descendant of the First Spinjitzu Master. Yet... everyone else with powers has them because they were descendants of Elemental Masters, the FSM's guardians. So, what does this mean about Ed and Edna? Also, I just got Garmadon's joke about lightning not being an element. Ha ha EDIT: Wait... what about Kai's father/mother then? And Cole's father? Does it genetically skip a generation? And how did Zane have powers then? Did it have something to do with his Core? Edited December 21, 2014 by JayWalker Quote
PenPlays Posted December 21, 2014 Posted December 21, 2014 Hang on a second... Lloyd is the "chosen one" because he's basically a direct descendant of the First Spinjitzu Master. Yet... everyone else with powers has them because they were descendants of Elemental Masters, the FSM's guardians. So, what does this mean about Ed and Edna? EDIT: Wait... what about Kai's father/mother then? And Cole's father? Does it genetically skip a generation? And how did Zane have powers then? Did it have something to do with his Core? This is really interesting! I hope they touch on that a bit more. Loved the new episode. Quote
Mandate Posted December 21, 2014 Posted December 21, 2014 (edited) This is really interesting! I hope they touch on that a bit more. Loved the new episode. I was actually implying it's a plot hole, but since then I've realized what Garmadon said about Nya covers it. What IS a plot hole, is the Ninjas losing their powers after they lost the Golden Weapons. Makes no sense whatsoever, but this is a better plot twist than the "we were good guyssssss all along" plot twist from Rebooted, so I'm fine with it. EDIT: Alright, I've done some thinking. So, Skylor and Zane are both wearing the "secondary" outfits. Skylor's power is... "elemental suction", or at least that's what it seems like. Absorbing someone else's powers, be it partly or whole I'm not sure. Chen also has a "Staff of Elements" that presumably has something huge to do with the Tournament. So: - Skylor and Zane both wear the same style of outfit (Zane had to get his from somewhere) - Skylor seemingly has power absorption, too early to tell. - Chen wants people with elemental powers on his Island. - Chen also has Zane - Golden Armor is still relevant, and only Borg knows where it's hidden. Smart move, but it's going to end badly. - PIXAL has disappeared. - Clouse is a master of dark arts. *cough* metamorphosis *cough* - Snake henchmen are definitely Chen's goons now, no questioning it. - No mention of Pythor anywhere - Chen has the Staff of Elements, and that's obviously going to have something to do with stealing people's powers. My current guess is that Skylor is at the very least being used by Chen. If Zane had his powers still after death, they're pretty much well gone by now. PIXAL is probably captive too, so we'll probably see her later on. I still think Pythor being last seen at Borg Tower would have something to do with Zane being captured, PIXAL being gone adds more evidence but the plot will probably have a better explanation "Dark Arts" could mean anything really, but it's pretty obvious it's to do with people turning into snakes. Chen has a pretty big affinity for snakes (just look at the drain pipes in his restraunt), so would it be too far to believe that the Golden Armor, the Elemental powers and a near-dead race of snake people have a connection like: Chen needs the Elemental powers to don the Golden Armor, with the Golden Armor he has the powers of the FSM, and with the powers of the FSM he can recreate the Anacondrai and attempt to take over Ninjago? I just noticed, too: Griffin Turner is the "grandson" of his respective Elemental Master. That's a nice touch to the continuity, like Lloyd being the grandson of the First Spinjitzu Master. Anyway, probably going to be wrong in more ways than one. The storywriters for NINJAGO are going to bring out something no one predicted (like the Electrocobrai, or the Elemental Masters) but it's always nice to speculate. I was wrong about Skylor X Cole, that's for sure. It may have actually been part of the plot point at one time (like Nya and Jay having a baby, and pirates being the main focus for a while) but cut because it was too far out. Now that I think about it, it actually wouldn't be a good idea to make the "perfect match" guy be caught in a relationship with the first girl wearing orange he sees. Also, "Ninjago Theories" is going crazy with the idea that Griffin is Dr. Julien. It's not going to happen. Like seriously. Edited December 21, 2014 by JayWalker Quote
PenPlays Posted December 21, 2014 Posted December 21, 2014 Also, "Ninjago Theories" is going crazy with the idea that Griffin is Dr. Julien. It's not going to happen. Like seriously. I literally laughed out loud. My family looked at me like something was wrong... Didn't we trust this guy with legitimate info at some point. You also raise some really interesting points. You've really thought about this, JayWalker. Quote
-Zond- Posted December 21, 2014 Posted December 21, 2014 Awesome episode!) I need more.... Just one tiny question- why Chen's voice is like Skales's?) Quote
PenPlays Posted December 21, 2014 Posted December 21, 2014 Awesome episode!) I need more.... Just one tiny question- why Chen's voice is like Skales's?) Because Ian James Corlett voices them both. Chen does have some differences though. He sounds outright mad (crazy), whereas Skales has a very cunning, and sssslithery sounding voice. But who says crazy can't own a noodle shop? Quote
Mandate Posted December 21, 2014 Posted December 21, 2014 (edited) You also raise some really interesting points. You've really thought about this, JayWalker. Eh, it's the culmination of weeks of boredom (school holidays) and noticing little details here and there. But who says crazy can't own a noodle shop? Crazy Food! Crazy Prices! Crazy Chen's Noodle Bar, Open 24/7 7 Days a Year! Edited December 21, 2014 by JayWalker Quote
Master_Data Posted December 21, 2014 Posted December 21, 2014 Hang on a second... Lloyd is the "chosen one" because he's basically a direct descendant of the First Spinjitzu Master. Yet... everyone else with powers has them because they were descendants of Elemental Masters, the FSM's guardians. So, what does this mean about Ed and Edna? Also, I just got Garmadon's joke about lightning not being an element. Ha ha EDIT: Wait... what about Kai's father/mother then? And Cole's father? Does it genetically skip a generation? And how did Zane have powers then? Did it have something to do with his Core? Garmadon said that they all had the power within them but the other Elemental Masters unlocked it on their own in some way or another. The ninja and their ancestors probably had the power within them, but only the four ninja actually unlocked it. This probably explains why Wu went looking for Kai. However, this now raises a few questions regarding the original Green Ninja prophecy. Why didn't Wu look for other Elemental Masters to fight Garmadon? Why did the prophecy show the four ninja and no other Elemental Masters? Why didn't any of the Masters fight back when the Overlord first took control of Ninjago City? Quote
Cagast Posted December 22, 2014 Posted December 22, 2014 (edited) So what elemental powers do those characters possess? Karlof - Metal Griffin Turner - Speed Invizible - Light Disco Dude hair man with guitar - Sound S1 Caveman headpiece in brown man - Nature Nightwing's hair in light grey man - Smoke? Red turban man - Gravity Skylor - Unknown JayWalker: Jay and Nya having a baby was never a part of the plot point that got cut. It was made up. Edited December 22, 2014 by Cagast Quote
Takanuinuva Posted December 22, 2014 Posted December 22, 2014 (edited) Garmadon said that they all had the power within them but the other Elemental Masters unlocked it on their own in some way or another. The ninja and their ancestors probably had the power within them, but only the four ninja actually unlocked it. This probably explains why Wu went looking for Kai. However, this now raises a few questions regarding the original Green Ninja prophecy. Why didn't Wu look for other Elemental Masters to fight Garmadon? Why did the prophecy show the four ninja and no other Elemental Masters? Why didn't any of the Masters fight back when the Overlord first took control of Ninjago City? Simple the other masters only use there powers selfishly. Wu didn't want to train people who abuse there powers. There in the tournament for there own gain. That or they were too far away to help when the overlord attacked Ninjago city. They don't have cool vehicles like the ninja do. Plus what good would powers like invisibility or gravity be against the golden armor? As for the prophecy? Well the four main elements were Fire, Earth, Ice and Lightning. Since thats what powers the golden weapons had. Perhaps those were the elements most vital to finding the Green Ninja. Perhaps the other elements are offsets of the original four. Like that one Bionicle periodic table. Speed from Lighting, Light from Fire, Metal from Earth. Etc Edited December 22, 2014 by Takanuinuva Quote
Mandate Posted December 22, 2014 Posted December 22, 2014 (edited) Garmadon said that they all had the power within them but the other Elemental Masters unlocked it on their own in some way or another. The ninja and their ancestors probably had the power within them, but only the four ninja actually unlocked it. This probably explains why Wu went looking for Kai. Aaand I said all this a few posts later. Might want to read all of the new posts before you reply to someone. JayWalker: Jay and Nya having a baby was never a part of the plot point that got cut. It was made up. Hardly made-up. There was a leak back in 2012 that listed not just the Stone Army, but the final battle, the pirates etc as well. It was before we even had a trailer for the episodes that had this stuff, and before we even got leaked set lists. Simple the other masters only use there powers selfishly. Wu didn't want to train people who abuse there powers. There in the tournament for there own gain. We don't know the motives of everyone else in the Tournament yet. Some may be in it for personal gain, but no actual prize has even been "announced" in-plot. Whatever the case, Kai, Zane, Jay and Cole were chosen for different reasons. Kai could have easily been chosen because his father was friends with Wu (and Kai's father's father would have been friends with the FSM). Kai's father wanted to settle down with his girlfriend and keep his family safe, so if he was aware of his own powers he would have never taught them to Kai or Nya simply because it might endanger them. Lloyd was trained from childhood to control his powers, unlike the rest of the ninja. So presumably the other contestants in the Tournament were taught from birth. Buuut the ninja's powers disappearing when Garmadon stole the Golden Weapons basically screws up everything in the timeline, so I'll just slap "destiny and balance" on top of this and call it a day. Edited December 22, 2014 by JayWalker Quote
Krulis Posted December 22, 2014 Posted December 22, 2014 (edited) Aaand I said all this a few posts later. Might want to read all of the new posts before you reply to someone. Hardly made-up. There was a leak back in 2012 that listed not just the Stone Army, but the final battle, the pirates etc as well. It was before we even had a trailer for the episodes that had this stuff, and before we even got leaked set lists. We don't know the motives of everyone else in the Tournament yet. Some may be in it for personal gain, but no actual prize has even been "announced" in-plot. Whatever the case, Kai, Zane, Jay and Cole were chosen for different reasons. Kai could have easily been chosen because his father was friends with Wu (and Kai's father's father would have been friends with the FSM). Kai's father wanted to settle down with his girlfriend and keep his family safe, so if he was aware of his own powers he would have never taught them to Kai or Nya simply because it might endanger them. Lloyd was trained from childhood to control his powers, unlike the rest of the ninja. So presumably the other contestants in the Tournament were taught from birth. Buuut the ninja's powers disappearing when Garmadon stole the Golden Weapons basically screws up everything in the timeline, so I'll just slap "destiny and balance" on top of this and call it a day. It was made up. The baby stuff was found on IMBD if I recall corectly. The episodes names were real (and they included mentions about pirates and stone army) bu the descriptions were a pile of you-know-what. Ther was a lot of nonsense there (propably made up by some kid): pregnant Nya, Jay being the chosen one, Ninjaball being ninjas playing beachball, Lloyd's friend becoming purple ninja, etc. Noone sane could belive in that. Edited December 22, 2014 by Krulis Quote
Mandate Posted December 22, 2014 Posted December 22, 2014 I was made up. The baby stuff was found on IMBD if I recall corectly. The episodes names were real (and they included mentions about pirates and stone army) bu the descriptions were a pile of you-know-what. Ther was a lot of nonsense there (prpably made up by some kid): pregnant Nya, Jay being the chosen one, Ninjaball being ninjas playing beachball, Lloyd's friend becoming purple ninja, etc. Noone sane could belive in that. Well... if I recall correctly in the "behind the scenes" (HA!) minimovie, didn't Jay mention something about him being the chosen one? Look, there was definitely a lot of garbage in the leak, but there's enough ties to what actually became the plot to not completely dismiss it. It's not exactly relevant anymore, anyway. Quote
Krulis Posted December 22, 2014 Posted December 22, 2014 Well... if I recall correctly in the "behind the scenes" (HA!) minimovie, didn't Jay mention something about him being the chosen one? Look, there was definitely a lot of garbage in the leak, but there's enough ties to what actually became the plot to not completely dismiss it. It's not exactly relevant anymore, anyway. Let's agree to disagree and continue dicussion about newest stuff. Quote
DuckBricks Posted December 22, 2014 Posted December 22, 2014 Was a bit confused when Garmadon mentioned that the ninja's elemental powers was ancestral... Didn't they first need to golden weapons to use elemental powers, and once those were destroyed, they couldn't? The only reason they have powers now is because Lloyd gave up his gold power to give them elemental powers in the Temple of Light... Quote
LegendsOfNinjago Posted December 22, 2014 Posted December 22, 2014 But they could control it once that had them. So Kai, his sister, father and grandfather are the only ones who could control or use the Sword of Fire. I guess the decendents of the first spinjitzu master could too Quote
Mandate Posted December 22, 2014 Posted December 22, 2014 (edited) Ah, actually, any of the ninja could use the other's Golden Weapon. For instance, Kai used the scythe at one point, Wu used the scythe and the shurikens at one point, and Garmadon just alternated whenever he had the Golden Weapons. This is just going to be a giant plot hole that's never going to be resolved. You could just say that because they were the "chosen ones" they were different to the others... Anyway, I had an idea yesterday. How about, for the NINJAGO movie, LEGO bases the movie and the show off of the exact same sets? That way the TV show fans get what they want, people that want the movie can go see the movie, it's cheaper on a whole for LEGO, and it allows them to continue using the TV show simultaneously? Edited December 22, 2014 by JayWalker Quote
Aanchir Posted December 22, 2014 Posted December 22, 2014 Well... if I recall correctly in the "behind the scenes" (HA!) minimovie, didn't Jay mention something about him being the chosen one? Look, there was definitely a lot of garbage in the leak, but there's enough ties to what actually became the plot to not completely dismiss it. It's not exactly relevant anymore, anyway. IMDB is user-edited. As such, it's easy for one user to post legitimate episode titles and another user to attach completely bogus synopses to those titles, as happened here. Any connections to the actual official story amount to "educated guesses" on the part of the person behind the hoax. Quote
Mandate Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 (edited) IMDB is user-edited. As such, it's easy for one user to post legitimate episode titles and another user to attach completely bogus synopses to those titles, as happened here. Any connections to the actual official story amount to "educated guesses" on the part of the person behind the hoax. So it was from IMDB then? I'll go through the earlier posts in this thread and check. If it really was, then I'm not going to argue that it was accurate at all. I've never liked IMDB anyway. EDIT: Yep, all garbage. I can't find where the alleged "leak" came from (and I don't feel like digging through the 2012 thread), but all of the stuff I've been referring to was from an apparent "Season 4". Including a purple ninja, etc... completely false. By the way, there's a total of about 17 competitors Tournament, including the ninja. Edited December 23, 2014 by JayWalker Quote
Cagast Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 There is an ad on XBOX which shows some new scenes from the upcoming episodes, where Lloyd rides a green dragon. Lloyd DX is starting to make sense. Quote
Mandate Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 Eh, I saw that coming. Not to mention the Titanium dragon may be organic. Quote
Amazing Bricks Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 There is an ad on XBOX which shows some new scenes from the upcoming episodes, where Lloyd rides a green dragon. Lloyd DX is starting to make sense. Picture? Quote
PenPlays Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 There is an ad on XBOX which shows some new scenes from the upcoming episodes, where Lloyd rides a green dragon. Lloyd DX is starting to make sense. Can you or someone provide us with some sort of screen grab of this? Quote
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