Thelegomaster Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 I watched Corridor of Elders a few weeks back and I am just now finding out about the spoiler tag, so here is my thoughts on the episode... I thought the battle part was pretty good, but I thought it was rushed. Garmadon's death wasn't as powerful as Zane's because as a viewer you don't get to see Garmadon's story as much as Zane's (mostly because Garmadon was evil more most of the series.) Other than that a great episode! Quote
Ninja of Fire Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 I think we all watched that around a month ago... Quote
Mandate Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 I think we all watched that around a month ago... To be more precise, 1 month and 13/14 days ago. I had a lot of problems with it, outside of its conflict with my own beliefs after you-know-who poofed again. The episode was so... bland. Awesome dragons enter the plot, the suddenly they go poof for no reason. Then Garmadon's marriage goes poof, which actually was done very well. After that, Pythor's massive problem with Rodrigo goes poof for no reason as well (why the heck didn't he do that earlier? Chen had clearly left hours ago). Then the ninja's problem of communication goes poof, because despite Neuro having the power of mind Lloyd's Mary Sue-ism makes him stupid and ensures Lloyd is the only one that thinks of sending a mental message to everyone. We get a montage of the ninja recruiting people to help fight the snakes, but then all the people recruited except a boy, Mother Doomsday and an old lady go poof because everyone in NINJAGO that doesn't get named is an idiot. Then all logic gets thrown out the window and magically poofs, because it's totally inconceivable to set up the "final stand" so late in the canyon rather than using tiers of defences and getting someone like Zane or Bolobo to freeze/restrain the Anacondrai from above the canyon. The only guy that actually uses his elemental powers for something useful is the Shadow guy (forgot his name). Three of the Anacondrai Copters attack the DB2 and then, quite literally, poof, they're never seen again and magically vanish in a matter of seconds. Then somehow a rat and a snake get past an entire army of the deadliest, smartest and fastest warriors in all of NINJAGO. And there's also a magical gap in the combat so Lloyd can poof up to the DB2. Lloyd then leaves for an entire 5 seconds so a bunch of useless flashbacks get thrown in over a character very few seriously cared about. Then even more logic gets thrown out the window when instead of just banishing the Anacondrai they banish Garmadon to unbanish the Generals who then banish the Anacondrai. Garmadon's death doesn't work because everyone except Samukai, the Great Devourer Flying Spaghetti Monster and the FSM have all been brought back to life or were never actually dead. There's virtually zero sadness from most of the fandom over Garmadon dying because there was nothing to cry over. IMO, after he was "cleansed" he became a boring, stern character who for the most part did nothing but give advice. He went from annoying to awesome, and then to bland in Rebooted's first 6 episodes. We didn't know his character too well, and unlike Zane who was a fan favorite with a huge amount of memorable moments Garmadon has very few moments that are "feels". No one in the plot even cried over Garmadon's death, but they rolled out the emotional red carpet for Zane. Then there's the whole ordeal of his death being in utter vain because he's just unleashed every other person he banished to the Cursed Realm. Like, seriously, why couldn't they have just done that to the Anacondrai too? Yeah, I might be being too harsh on it (though I was holding back, funnily enough, there's even more problems with the episode) Seriously, pretty much well everyone acted stupidly in episode 44. I apologize for the rant, but I really hated that episode for pretty much well everything that happened in it. It was filled to the brim with pointlessness and had a very pointless ending. Quote
Ninja of Fire Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Wow, you sure act like a Garmadon hater. In my opinion, his death was quite saddening (though not quite as Zane's). Quote
Mr Greeble Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) I'd like to non-violently direct you to the multiple times Ronin has been stated to have erased the Ninja's memory of everything regarding Spinjitzu. Not to mention the times that he's been mentioned to intentionally unleash a darker power. Not very nice, if I'd say so myself. EDIT: May I also be the first to dub the absolutely fantastic dark Samurai gear Ronin dons as "Oni Ronin?" I'm thinking more like an Anakin-DarkAnakin-Darthvader-Father cycle of events right now we can only speculate. We have very few pieces of evidence that would be able to debunk anyone's shadow of ronin theory, much less mine. Someone could suggest that ronin will turn into a pinata mid-way through the game, and we would have no way to say they were actually wrong! On the subject of the armor though, I thinking it's one of his shadow samurai after seeing the extremely close similarity between that picture and this one: http://cache.lego.com/r/videogames/-/media/franchises/videogames/ninjago%20shadow%20of%20ronin/screenshots/lvl_01_03_ronin_chase_141016_181834.png?l.r=176263283 But It's still awesome! Edited March 18, 2015 by Mr Greeble Quote
Mandate Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Wow, you sure act like a Garmadon hater. In my opinion, his death was quite saddening (though not quite as Zane's). Use spoiler tags. (if you don't know how, use [ spoiler ] at the beginning and [ /spoiler ] at the end of spoilery area, minus the spaces) I don't hate Garmadon, but he isn't nearly as cool as he was when he was evil. Stuff like the "Garmadon the roommate" scene really highlight his personality and his ability to resist the Devourer's venom whenever doing something evil could harm his son (actually, let's make that "mostly" seeing as he did release a Grundel that one time). I just feel that after Lloyd defeated the Overlord Garmadon became a much less... iconic? character. As a story transition it made sense, Garmadon wants nothing to do with evil anymore and wants to make up for the wrong he's done in his life, even if that really consisted of unleashing the Overlord for less than twelve hours. See, Garmadon became a pretty dull character. His back story is very interesting, but other than that there's not much the Rebooted/Chen plots do good with him. I loved him in Enter the Digiverse, but I found no actual reason to like Garmadon with his constant nagging. Nobody cried over Garmadon in the plot, and they shouldn't have bothered to attempt to throw that kind of a plot point in after how much they've dragged that in in season 5 alone. I'm thinking more like an Anakin-DarkAnakin-Darthvader-Father cycle of events right now we can only speculate. We have very few pieces of evidence that would be able to debunk anyone's shadow of ronin theory, much less mine. Someone could suggest that ronin will turn into a pinata mid-way through the game, and we would have no way to say they were actually wrong! And we have absolutely no evidence whatsoever for any of the Ronin theories - they're simply speculation. I most certainly won't argue against Ronin being Kai's father (it's almost certainly going to be the dark secret), but there is literally no evidence for any of theories. Indirect "evidence"? Plenty. But nothing concrete. Quote
Mr Greeble Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 And we have absolutely no evidence whatsoever for any of the Ronin theories - they're simply speculation. I most certainly won't argue against Ronin being Kai's father (it's almost certainly going to be the dark secret), but there is literally no evidence for any of theories. Indirect "evidence"? Plenty. But nothing concrete. Exactly, so people can say almost anything and it's going to be hard to prove them wrong. Quote
Mandate Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Exactly, so people can say almost anything and it's going to be hard to prove them wrong. Sadly, yes. People like NINJAGO Theories make claims without evidence all the time, and it can be difficult to prove them wrong because there's nothing to conflict with it, or support it. Fortunately, some of their theories are so ridiculous you don't even need to find evidence to say it's wrong. Quote
DuckBricks Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 On a different topic, it appears that Ninjago Wiki TV has released a few more soundtracks, including a lengthy and rather awesome one for the Elemental Masters. Quote
Ninja of Fire Posted March 19, 2015 Posted March 19, 2015 Yeah, good thing they received a contract with the producers of he music. Quote
Mandate Posted March 19, 2015 Posted March 19, 2015 LEGO has uploaded episode 35 to their channel in English: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYQ_t8m04DM If you have free time, haven't watched it yet and intend to, you have no excuse now. Quote
Ninja of Fire Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 They've also uploaded Episodes 36 and 37, too. Quote
Ordinareo Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 I Hope we get more than just Morro in the series. Quote
Ninja of Fire Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 We'll probably be getting all the villains from the sets in the show. Quote
Mandate Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 (edited) Thanks to Ayliffe Makit for this: I have my own theories on the memory removal thing. If Ronin had taken part in the Serpentine War (which he likely did) the removal of memories explains a lot about Lu (who, if this is correct, was certainly the Master of Earth at the time), Ed and Edna. We know that Chen divided the Elemental Masters in the Serpentine War, so perhaps a punishment was removal of memories? Or, by some chance, he removed memories from the dangerous Masters that had changed sides and accidentally wiped his own memory? There are some errors in this idea, but it would explain some timeline errors. Big problem I just realized about Ronin being Kai's father: If Ronin really is Kai's father, that means the blacksmith Kai was raised under wasn't his father, but rather a caretaker (such as Luke had, oh dear the SW references are out of control), and potentially the same for his "mother". Explains why Kai and Nya never had their powers trained (yet another similarity to SW) and why Cole and Jay didn't either. And Zane? Well, memory switch and we also don't know where HIS power came from anyway. Edited March 24, 2015 by Mandate Quote
DuckBricks Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 (edited) Nope. Club Magazine has a history of making stupid errors. We know from the "leaked" (HA!) episodes that that's not going to be the way it happens, at the very least not in full. If you want to respond to this, quote me then copy+paste it into the Culture thread. What "leaked" episodes? Did I miss something? Edited March 24, 2015 by legozebra Quote
Mandate Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 (edited) What "leaked" episodes? Did I miss something? I used quotation marks for a reason. I was referring to season 4. EDIT: https://www.youtube....h?v=4PZF3glR_-I Shadow of Ronin trailer. I'm dreading this being canon more than ever now. On the bright side (or downside), looks like Ronin isn't Kai's father after all. Not without significant genetic alteration/hair dye, anyway. I'm not even sure how this is meant to fit into the canon, all of the ninja (aside from Zane) and Nya are wearing their 2011 outfits, Sensei is wearing his "memoires" kimono, and the entire game seems all over the place when it comes to the plot. Kai has his scar, the voice actors are completely different to their TV show counterparts (credit due to the guy that does Jay, he's doing a fairly good job). It seems like they grabbed any pre-made stuff from the plot and jammed it in wherever they could, somehow Ronin has control over Nindroids. I'm not looking forward to this one bit. Edited March 24, 2015 by Mandate Quote
DuckBricks Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 It seems like they grabbed any pre-made stuff from the plot and jammed it in wherever they could. Sums it up quite well. Here I was hoping that it would be a decent story.... If Ronin had taken part in the Serpentine War (which he likely did) the removal of memories explains a lot about Lu (who, if this is correct, was certainly the Master of Earth at the time), Ed and Edna. We know that Chen divided the Elemental Masters in the Serpentine War, so perhaps a punishment was removal of memories? Or, by some chance, he removed memories from the dangerous Masters that had changed sides and accidentally wiped his own memory? There are some errors in this idea, but it would explain some timeline errors. Big problem I just realized about Ronin being Kai's father: If Ronin really is Kai's father, that means the blacksmith Kai was raised under wasn't his father, but rather a caretaker (such as Luke had, oh dear the SW references are out of control), and potentially the same for his "mother". Explains why Kai and Nya never had their powers trained (yet another similarity to SW) and why Cole and Jay didn't either. And Zane? Well, memory switch and we also don't know where HIS power came from anyway. I can just imagine a flashback sequence with Ed and Edna and Lou completely kicking butt with elemental powers... Now that would be sweet! Quote
Ninja of Fire Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 I used quotation marks for a reason. I was referring to season 4. EDIT: https://www.youtube....h?v=4PZF3glR_-I Shadow of Ronin trailer. I'm dreading this being canon more than ever now. On the bright side (or downside), looks like Ronin isn't Kai's father after all. Not without significant genetic alteration/hair dye, anyway. I'm not even sure how this is meant to fit into the canon, all of the ninja (aside from Zane) and Nya are wearing their 2011 outfits, Sensei is wearing his "memoires" kimono, and the entire game seems all over the place when it comes to the plot. Kai has his scar, the voice actors are completely different to their TV show counterparts (credit due to the guy that does Jay, he's doing a fairly good job). It seems like they grabbed any pre-made stuff from the plot and jammed it in wherever they could, somehow Ronin has control over Nindroids. I'm not looking forward to this one bit. Hmmm. Maybe the Ninja are wearing their Trainee outfits is because they lost their memories, and lost all DX, ZX, Kendo, NRG, Elemental, Techno, Tournament, and Zukin statuses, and don't even know each other (other than their names), as Jay exclaimed 'Zane! What happened to your face? You're a robot!' and then Zane said 'I'm a what?' And the missing presence of Lloyd may also be due to their memory loss. Or, that is if Morro posseses him in the game, but that is highly unlikely. Quote
coolcab1 Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) Hmmm. Maybe the Ninja are wearing their Trainee outfits is because they lost their memories, and lost all DX, ZX, Kendo, NRG, Elemental, Techno, Tournament, and Zukin statuses, and don't even know each other (other than their names), as Jay exclaimed 'Zane! What happened to your face? You're a robot!' and then Zane said 'I'm a what?' And the missing presence of Lloyd may also be due to their memory loss. Or, that is if Morro posseses him in the game, but that is highly unlikely. I'm 100% Lloyd isn't there because of the events of ep 44 since you know what happened. Edited March 25, 2015 by coolcab1 Quote
Ninja of Fire Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 So do you think Lloyd is off mourning? I don't think so, Lloyd looked alright at the end of Episode 44. And I don't think Morro would be possessing Lloyd right then, he's probably hiding and plotting against the Ninja. Quote
Mandate Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 They were wearing their 2011 outfits before Ronin went POOF with their memories. Lloyd is probably off accepting awards again. Quote
PenPlays Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 They were wearing their 2011 outfits before Ronin went POOF with their memories. Lloyd is probably off accepting awards again. I have the game. They wear their 2011 outfits (that have an error on the back, their DX emblems) like casual wear, except for Zane. It's made to sound like Lloyd is mourning. Ask as many questions as you'd like in the Shadow of Ronin thread. Quote
TheBrickPal Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) So with the end of Shadow of Ronin, does that completely contradict with the end of The Corridor of Elders? Edited March 26, 2015 by Puffle Pal26 Quote
PenPlays Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) So with the end of Shadow of Ronin, does that completely contradict with the end of The Corridor of Elders? No, because we aren't even told what dimension they went to or if it has anything to do with the Ghost Warriors. Heck, we aren't even sure if that arm was Morro's in the first place. The game is so full of holes, it's worth calling it non-canon, similar to "Ninjago: Nindroids." We should discuss this in the Shadow of Ronin thread found here. Edited March 26, 2015 by Penkid11 Quote
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