Color of Copper Sheathing?

[Capn Frank]

In the future, i'd like to have my MOCs to have the decks below the waterline.

This entails having the exterior a copper-alloy color out of lego bricks for MOCs based off of newer sailing ships :S .

First off for referance, here's the wiki article on Copper Sheathing.

Also, here's a pic link on the copper sheathing of the USS Constitution:

Right now my i consider my two main contestants, Orange and dark bley.

Main problem with orange is that there may not enough bricks availible needed for a ship the size of my frigate on Bricklink. (don't want to spend an outrageous amount per brick :'-( )

Main problem with dark bley is that is doesn't look like copper :-|| , but it may look like the corroded copper plating. (don't know for sure though.)

Recomendations and thoughts welcomed.

P

[Mister Phes]

First off for referance, here's the wiki article on Copper Sheathing.

The first thing I would have done is go straight to Wikipedia and look up "sheathing" but it appears you've beat me to it.

Ah well, another link for the Wikipedia index!

[Bonaparte]

There seems to be something wrong with the picture in your first post Mr. P.

It's the first time I hear about Copper Sheating, so before I say anything about it, I'll wait for that picture to get fixed to have a better idea what we're talking about.

The first thing I would have done is go straight to Wikipedia and look up "sheathing" but it appears you've beat me to it.

Ah well, another link for the Wikipedia index!

Added!

[Mister Phes]

Excellent work Mr Bonaparte! You are indeed The Master Index Builder!

[Norrington]

Well, in Sid Meieir's Pirates! copper sheathing is only seen if you make a sharp turn, and it would appear to be a light shade of tan. Though it could be different dependent on where the ship is, as in the Mederterrainian could have different colors because it has different water qaulity to the Caribbean.

[Capn Frank]

There seems to be something wrong with the picture in your first post Mr. P.

It's the first time I hear about Copper Sheating, so before I say anything about it, I'll wait for that picture to get fixed to have a better idea what we're talking about.

Added!

Hmm dunno what's wrong with it exactly, i know the quality isn't that good.

Here's the other pic from that website:

Tan eh Commodore?

That actually sounds like a great idea *y*

Thanx,

P

[El Bucanero]

I found this pic,

If you look at the front at the waterline you see this blue-green like colour. That's what happens with copper in water, it rusts. And I believe it provides excellent protection. There is a brick colour wich islight blue , I don't know if it's useful for this though.

EDIT: Found the brick! but I think it's a tad too blue...

Mr Tiber

[Mister Phes]

If the copper was new however you wouldn't need to add any blue to show the corrosion. You could just use a shade of red brown to represent the copper.

Or does that defeat the purpose of this exercise?

[ZCerberus]

I found this pic,

If you look at the front at the waterline you see this blue-green like colour. That's what happens with copper in water, it rusts. And I believe it provides excellent protection. There is a brick colour wich islight blue , I don't know if it's useful for this though.

EDIT: Found the brick! but I think it's a tad too blue...

Mr Tiber

Do they have a 'sand green'? That would work well- except Phred might not have any!

Yes! They do have 'sand green' like this one...

[Capn Frank]

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EDIT: Found the brick! but I think it's a tad too blue...

Mr Tiber

It does seem a tad too blue. :-/

If the copper was new however you wouldn't need to add any blue to show the corrosion. You could just use a shade of red brown to represent the copper.

Or does that defeat the purpose of this exercise?

I might mix in some of the "corroded colors" so it looks a little corroded; I'm not sure yet though.

Exercise? I didn't know this was an exercise 8-|

Do they have a 'sand green'? That would work well- except Phred might not have any!

Yes! They do have 'sand green' like this one...

Thanx Z,

I may have to get some of those bricks from BL soon.

Right now my thoughts are to have mostly tan to represent uncorroded copper and work in some of this sand green (or maybe regular green or a gray) to show corrosion. I have a descant amount of tan, lots of gray, and bleys, and a little green.

A little side note for those of you who haven't read the wiki article:

Before 1769, most sheathing was done with lead. So it's really easy to get that color, dark gray and dark bley.

[Tordenskjold]

This is how copper couild look like when beeing in contact with salt or periods of water-dry-water-dry I work at a powercompany and we use alot of copper. i think the best color for copper that is under water 99% f the time is more reddish brown than this green/blue color. but at the water line this color can occur. Bj

[Capn Frank]

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This is how copper couild look like when beeing in contact with salt or periods of water-dry-water-dry I work at a powercompany and we use alot of copper. i think the best color for copper that is under water 99% f the time is more reddish brown than this green/blue color. but at the water line this color can occur. Bj

[El Bucanero]

Maybe rown is a good one, but don't you think it looks to much like wood? It is not that different to old brown after all, is it?

It does seem a tad too blue. :-/

I might mix in some of the "corroded colors" so it looks a little corroded; I'm not sure yet though.

I'm not an expert on this but I think, when a ships stays in water for quite a long time, it will rust certainly.

So you would take a piece of copper, hold it in salt water, wait till it gets corroded, and then you change the colours! :-P

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This is how copper couild look like when beeing in contact with salt or periods of water-dry-water-dry I work at a powercompany and we use alot of copper. i think the best color for copper that is under water 99% f the time is more reddish brown than this green/blue color. but at the water line this color can occur. Bj

[Scouty]

That would be Maeserk Blue. Though, I think it's too blue and bright to be used completely as copper sheathing. I think rown is the best choice. Maybe with hints of this color for flavor.

[Tordenskjold]

I have to take a short trip at work tonight. ill find some copper and see if we have any with the right color. if i find it ill take a pic and post it here. ill brush some of it so you can see the different colors. Bj

[ZCerberus]

Well the biggest thing I can think of made of copper that has become weathered is this thing...

I think it is closer to than

[Tordenskjold]

Yes but the green color comes when copper is exposed both to air and water/moist if its submerged under water it dont get that green. thats what i meant

Bj

[ZCerberus]

Yes but the green color comes when copper is exposed both to air and water/moist if its submerged under water it dont get that green. thats what i meant

Bj

[Capn Frank]

Add, a regular chemist we have hear! Well what happens when they have to dock the ship to clean it? Does it turn green then? I guess I don't really know anything about it! Are the insides of copper pipes still copper looking? I just thought sand green looked better than the aqua blue!

rown it is then I guess!

Hey I'll go ask my chemistry professor tomorrow about this stuff, he should know. :-D

[Tordenskjold]

Hehe mr Phred. do that. im in nOO way a chemister :-D all i know is from what i see when we either repair or remove old copper.

This is a pic of copper, the clamp to left is brand new, the wire has been in ground and the litle clamp has been in wet and low oxygen environment. if it had been in the sea, it would have been more red than this. but i couldnt find any real sea corroded copper now.

Inside the copper look as shiny as the new clamp. if we bruch the brown copper it will look like the shiny one. sorry for the quality of the pic. was taken in a hurry :-$

[Mister Phes]

Exercise? I didn't know this was an exercise 8-|

Exercise probably wasn't the correct word, how about I replace it with "what you're trying to achieve here"

[Capn Frank]

Talked to a Chem. Prof. @ school today

he said that the prominent color of copper corroded in the sea is going to be copper(II) carbonate.

copper(II) carbonate is a light green color with a bluish tint; here's a pic of it below:

other copper salts have the color of light green and light blue. he also said there aren't any red or reddish-brown copper salts. his best guess for the reddish-brown color, would be from algae (and dead algae) or there is zinc, iron, or another metal alloyed with the copper clamps and wire that Tordenskjold found.

Exercise probably wasn't the correct word, how about I replace it with "what you're trying to achieve here"

I'm just trying to figure out color ships would be under the waterline sheathed with copper and what official brick color would best represent these colors. ;-)

P

[Mister Phes]

Yes indeed Mr Phred, but how are you going to extend the hull beneath the water line and allow your ships to freely stand?

[Capn Frank]

Yes indeed Mr Phred, but how are you going to extend the hull beneath the water line and allow your ships to freely stand?

In models of ships, there is a stand that holds the entire ship; i was thinking of having something like this when it's being displayed.

For gaming, I was thinking to have the decks below the waterline removable from the decks above the waterline; that way it has a flat bottom and it's easier to roleplay. Maybe have a little (well probably not so little :) ) wheeled cart thingy to slide along the floor. I really like the idea of wheels on the bottom of larger MOCs; it's a lot easier to move them around and work on them when building it too ;-) .

P

[El Bucanero]

In models of ships, there is a stand that holds the entire ship; i was thinking of having something like this when it's being displayed.

For gaming, I was thinking to have the decks below the waterline removable from the decks above the waterline; that way it has a flat bottom and it's easier to roleplay. Maybe have a little (well probably not so little :) ) wheeled cart thingy to slide along the floor. I really like the idea of wheels on the bottom of larger MOCs; it's a lot easier to move them around and work on them when building it too ;-) .

P

Ah so that's were you're after!

Than I suggest you not to make it look like it has been in the water for a long time, or in one simple word: corroded. I've never seen a model ship with a corroded hull. So I think you should use rown for it.

Mr Tiber