Ishv-viss-j Posted February 24, 2012 Posted February 24, 2012 If you can't see the scene from the outside (Executor with bridge attached) I think a scene in a UCS is fine. Of course I don't really view the Death Star as a UCS set, even if it's called one. Even though the UCS label is used for most really big sets, I feel it is more appropriate for the highly detailed/oversized sets. The Death Star II on the other hand was a very good UCS set. I would have preferred a UCS Falcon and Imp Shuttle that actually had interiors. To put the age-old UCS argument aside, considering the unnecessary height added to the actual model by its inclusion (resulting in aesthetically unpleasing deviations from the dimensions of the source material), couldn't it be argued, in a way, that the 10221 Super Star Destroyer's playset interior is, in fact, visible from the outside? With the current trend of ever-increasing accuracy in UCS and exclusive sets 'larger than minifigure scale', one can't help but expect that the set designers would have placed aesthetics and a reasonably strong resemblance to the source material above play features in the making of such a set (especially with something as large and unwieldy as 10221 – more likely intended as a display model than a toy in the fashion of 10144 or 10195). In response to your preference for a UCS Falcon with an interior, while such a feature would have been wholly possible, I can also see why The LEGO Group may have decided to pass it over (aside from the obvious reason of price, that is). For one, there's the fact that the Millennium Falcon does not actually have a true, working interior – the layouts depicted in the Incredible Cross-Sections, the Technical Journals, the RPG, and many others all disagree with each other significantly, in addition to shrinking down or enlarging various components in a way that may come across to certain fans as inconsistent with the nature of the craft. This means that regardless of which layout they went with, the set designers would ultimately have failed in creating a representation that appealed to the Star Wars-centric AFOL collectors at which it was obviously aimed. And while I would not have had any issue with displaying a 'cutaway' Falcon, one could also consider the possibility that The LEGO Group thought it less than worthwhile to put effort into an interior that would have remained hidden for most of the set's time on display (an argument that could also be made in defense of 10174 and in further opposition to the playset interior in 10221). A similar case can be made for 10221 – as well as the fact that no interior for the Lambda-class T-4a was actually shown in the films (meaning that the inclusion of any interior would prove confusing to those who had not expossed to Expanded Universe sources). On the other hand, to use my demographic argument again, the case could be made that Star Wars-centric AFOLs with enough interest to spend $200+ would in fact have enough knowledge of Expanded Universe sources to recognize an interior for the Lambda if it was included – but the interior is ever so plain... Quote
Zilcho Posted February 24, 2012 Posted February 24, 2012 What is the Sith equivalent if a Jedi Knight? I think it goes Acolyte (padawan) > Lord (Knight) > Darth (Master) Also where would you say sith from the movies are in this line? Quote
LEGOman273 Posted February 24, 2012 Posted February 24, 2012 What is the Sith equivalent if a Jedi Knight? I think it goes Acolyte (padawan) > Lord (Knight) > Darth (Master) Also where would you say sith from the movies are in this line? This is probably what you are looking for. Quote
Brickdoctor Posted February 24, 2012 Posted February 24, 2012 By the time of the six movies, 'Darth' is a title applied to all Sith, not just masters. Seeing as there are only two Sith at a time, they would simply be master and apprentice, no other fancy titles involved. (at least 'officially'; there are plenty of secret apprentices) Obviously, Palpatine is the master and Maul, Dooku, and Vader are all apprentices. (though both Dooku and Vader were referred to as 'Lord' by Palpatine, suggesting that they had progressed beyond the stage of apprentice, but remained weaker than Palpatine) Moving into the EU, 'Master' is a title taken by a Sith who has an apprentice. 'Lord' isn't a very specific title, though it is essentially the title of a more powerful Sith. (one that is not an apprentice; this makes sense, as on earth, 'Lord' is a term that can refer to a number of noble ranks - count, duke, baron, etc.) 'Apprentice' is a self-explanatory title, that of a Sith who has begun serious training under a Master. 'Acolyte' was a title used for apprentices prior to Darth Bane's reformation. (after the Rule of Two was established, it wasn't needed, as there were only two Sith, the master and the apprentice) The title of Acolyte seems to be interchangeable with the title, 'Adept'. The closest thing there is to a consistent Sith equivalent of the Jedi ranks would be the ranks of the Lost Tribe of the Sith: Tyro (youngling), Apprentice (Padawan), Saber (Knight), Master/Lord (Master), and High Lord (Grand Master). Quote
Brickadeer Posted February 25, 2012 Posted February 25, 2012 Does anyone know if the skirt of the old (7676) Ventress key chain minifig is glued to the torso/hips? Quote
Mr Man Posted February 25, 2012 Posted February 25, 2012 What is the Sith equivalent if a Jedi Knight? I think it goes Acolyte (padawan) > Lord (Knight) > Darth (Master) Also where would you say sith from the movies are in this line? Acolyte (Ventress, Savage, Grievous) - Apprentice (Maul, Tyrannous, Vader) - Master (Sidious) I'm not sure about Pong Krell if he had had made his allegiance clear (Actually joined the Sith rather than just working for them). I know Grievous isn't technically a Sith or even force sensitive, but he does fulfil this role in terms of evil apprentice with a lightsabre. Quote
LEGOman273 Posted February 25, 2012 Posted February 25, 2012 Acolyte (Ventress, Savage, Grievous) - Apprentice (Maul, Tyrannous, Vader) - Master (Sidious) I'm not sure about Pong Krell if he had had made his allegiance clear (Actually joined the Sith rather than just working for them). I know Grievous isn't technically a Sith or even force sensitive, but he does fulfil this role in terms of evil apprentice with a lightsabre. Grievous is NOT an Acolyte, as he is not Force-sensitive. Just because he uses lightsabers does not mean that he can use the Force. Krell wanted to join Dooku, but he was killed before he could do so. Quote
Mr Man Posted February 25, 2012 Posted February 25, 2012 Grievous is NOT an Acolyte, as he is not Force-sensitive. Just because he uses lightsabers does not mean that he can use the Force. Krell wanted to join Dooku, but he was killed before he could do so. Read the second bit I wrote . I know he isn't a Sith but he is Dooku's Apprentice Jedi Killer like Ventress. Quote
purpleparadox Posted February 26, 2012 Posted February 26, 2012 (edited) I've got a question I'd like to know for my brother (To buy him a present). He loves Commander Wolffe and the clones he commands (Wolfpack troopers), so my question is are the clones from this set from the Wolfpack? I was wondering because one of them (the one at the missile launcher) has a wolf on his helmet. I know that the Wolfpack troopers used to have dark red armour (until an incident where most of them were killed). Thanks guys! Edited February 26, 2012 by purpleparadox Quote
commanderneyo Posted February 26, 2012 Posted February 26, 2012 I can answer this for you: The ARC is not a Wolfpack-related Clone. This ARC appeared for a single second (a blink and you'll miss it moment) in the season 3 episode, "ARC Troopers". However, the ARF is a different story, and can be quite confusing. There are actually three total designs for this ARF in the show, two of which also appear in that season 3 episode. One has no arm markings whatsoever, while the other design in that episode has them going down half the arm. This particular ARF design later appeared again in the season 4 episode, "Mercy Mission". This time, the ARF's had markings going down fully on the arms. So, at the end of the day, the Lego ARF mini-figure in this set is based on it's appearance in the season 4 episode, where they accompanied the Wolfpack to Aleen. Hope this helps Quote
purpleparadox Posted February 26, 2012 Posted February 26, 2012 I can answer this for you: The ARC is not a Wolfpack-related Clone. This ARC appeared for a single second (a blink and you'll miss it moment) in the season 3 episode, "ARC Troopers". However, the ARF is a different story, and can be quite confusing. There are actually three total designs for this ARF in the show, two of which also appear in that season 3 episode. One has no arm markings whatsoever, while the other design in that episode has them going down half the arm. This particular ARF design later appeared again in the season 4 episode, "Mercy Mission". This time, the ARF's had markings going down fully on the arms. So, at the end of the day, the Lego ARF mini-figure in this set is based on it's appearance in the season 4 episode, where they accompanied the Wolfpack to Aleen. Hope this helps Thanks for replying so fast! That DEFINITELY helps, I'll be buying that set for my little brother. He'll be so happy! Quote
Brickadeer Posted February 26, 2012 Posted February 26, 2012 (edited) I can answer this for you: The ARC is not a Wolfpack-related Clone. This ARC appeared for a single second (a blink and you'll miss it moment) in the season 3 episode, "ARC Troopers". However, the ARF is a different story, and can be quite confusing. There are actually three total designs for this ARF in the show, two of which also appear in that season 3 episode. One has no arm markings whatsoever, while the other design in that episode has them going down half the arm. This particular ARF design later appeared again in the season 4 episode, "Mercy Mission". This time, the ARF's had markings going down fully on the arms. So, at the end of the day, the Lego ARF mini-figure in this set is based on it's appearance in the season 4 episode, where they accompanied the Wolfpack to Aleen. Hope this helps Actually, I think the ARF in 9488 is meant to represent this one from Rancor Batallion: The Wolfpack ARF has a slightly different (imo cooler) face printing (more red around the "mouth"): Edited February 26, 2012 by Brickadeer Quote
LEGOman273 Posted February 26, 2012 Posted February 26, 2012 Actually, I think the ARF in 9488 is meant to represent this one from Rancor Batallion: The Wolfpack ARF has a slightly different (imo cooler) face printing (more red around the "mouth"): The ARF is from Rancor Battalion. I think that the "Mercy Mission"() ARF has sand blue markings, but it looks different becaise of the lighting. Quote
commanderneyo Posted February 26, 2012 Posted February 26, 2012 The ARF is from Rancor Battalion. I think that the "Mercy Mission"() ARF has sand blue markings, but it looks different becaise of the lighting. Indeed. And it can't be that ARF from "Clone Cadets", that one is the one with the markings going half-way down the arm like I was talking about. The Lego mini-figure has the markings all over the arms, just like the one in "Mercy Mission". Quote
purpleparadox Posted February 26, 2012 Posted February 26, 2012 Indeed. And it can't be that ARF from "Clone Cadets", that one is the one with the markings going half-way down the arm like I was talking about. The Lego mini-figure has the markings all over the arms, just like the one in "Mercy Mission". So the 9488 ARF COULD be a Wolfpack trooper? Quote
Brickmamba Posted February 26, 2012 Posted February 26, 2012 As far as I know you can only get official wolf-pack mini-figures from 7964 Republic Frigate Quote
purpleparadox Posted February 26, 2012 Posted February 26, 2012 (edited) As far as I know you can only get official wolf-pack mini-figures from 7964 Republic Frigate I know you can ony get them in BLUE from the Republic Frigate, but the Wolfpack originally had maroon (dark red) armour. Link Read the equipment section. Edited February 26, 2012 by purpleparadox Quote
Cpt. Dan Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Definitely from Rancor Battalion, had about 2 seconds of screen time in S3 Arc Troopers Episode. ARC is Hammer from the episode. If Lego is going after somewhat remote characters in these episodes, I am curious what they will be featuring in future sets. It should be exciting to see what they come up with. Quote
LEGOman273 Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 I know you can ony get them in BLUE from the Republic Frigate, but the Wolfpack originally had maroon (dark red) armour. Link Read the equipment section. Yes, but the ENTIRE unit changed armor color. Wolfpack would not have a red-colored ARF. Quote
purpleparadox Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Yes, but the ENTIRE unit changed armor color. Wolfpack would not have a red-colored ARF. I know. I was thinking maybe the set was from BEFORE the armor colour change. Quote
LEGOman273 Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) I know. I was thinking maybe the set was from BEFORE the armor colour change. No. The fact that Hammer is included further proves that this is a Rancor Battalion ARF. Edited February 27, 2012 by LEGOman273 Quote
Casval Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 So the 9488 ARF COULD be a Wolfpack trooper? No, it can't. Look at the image of the ARF Trooper for the show. He has an symbol on the side of his helmet that matches the LEGO figure. The Wolfpack doesn't have that symbol on their helmets, they have a stylized wolf. If you look at the image of the Wolfpack ARF, he has the wolf on his helmet where this ARF has the Rancor Battalion's...thing. You could use it to represent a Wolfpack ARF trooper, but you could do that with any of the ARF's honestly. I am going to pair this ARF with Commander Fox, even though it really doesn't fit other than the color scheme. I initially thought the ARC was supposed to be Colt, but now seeing the image of Hammer, I see the fit there better. Quote
Brickadeer Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 And it can't be that ARF from "Clone Cadets", that one is the one with the markings going half-way down the arm like I was talking about. The Lego mini-figure has the markings all over the arms, just like the one in "Mercy Mission". I do not think that the degree of painting determines the colour of the arms of the minifigure. Just think of Commander Cody: Quote
LEGOman273 Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 I do not think that the degree of painting determines the colour of the arms of the minifigure. Just think of Commander Cody: Correct. Oddly, though, Gree's arms have more color on them, but the Minifig has white arms. Quote
Brickadeer Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Oddly, though, Gree's arms have more color on them, but the Minifig has white arms. I have no idea about the logic behind it. The patterns of Cody's leg printing is the same as the pattern of the Horn Company Troopers. Lego gave them printed legs, but not Cody. Quote
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