Ellsworth Kelly Posted October 20, 2013 Posted October 20, 2013 I AM ELLSWORTH KELLY, HEAR WHAT I HAVE TO SAY!!! As I said, Dan's townreads evaporated on Day Two. Thanks for bringing up his post today Jo, I didn't even see that. He's been really all over the place, which is a shame because he looked like he was really trying on Day One. A scum slipping up? One-shot conversion? I don't like what I'm hearing. Vote: Dan Flavin. Word of advice, don't vote anyone you townread "from the beginning", regardless of where the votes stand. I've been in contact with the investigator (though that he is the investigator at all and being trusted by him is news to me) and we've sharing suspects and such. He contacted me late on Day Two, since you're so curious about that kind of sensitive information, Anne. THESE WERE THE WISE WORDS OF ELLSWORTH KELLY!
Robert Mangold Posted October 20, 2013 Posted October 20, 2013 if John and Eva are confirmed through an investigator, I will vote with them.
Carl Andre Posted October 21, 2013 Posted October 21, 2013 Alright, so I've been looking things over, and as it stands right now, my main suspects are Dan and Donald. Out of the remaining nonclears, Anne/Robert have both towntold, and Ellsworth is apparently town(??). This leaves Dan/Donald/Jo/Brice. I'm not so sure about Jo or Brice - the former is null leaning town, the latter just null. The one out of the two of them who sticks out the most (well, even more now that Jo put his scummiest posts in a compilation) is Dan. He was really active and townie on the first day, obviously working hard for whatever reason. I had him marked as town for then, but I didn't really see anything of note from him yesterday. Scum trying to frontload his townie workload? Ok, I've looked back, and my number one suspect right now is Dan. Apart from the fact that he suddenly stopped being vocal after day 1, these following posts show some glaring inconsistencies: *snip* Thanks Jo - this is a great reference. Looking at this now, it seems like his reads only develop when they're convenient (i.e. being 'suspicious' of the two guys under heat after doing nothing about them before). Ping. Vote: Dan Flavin Town read John on Day 1. If you read the thread you'd see where I said he read more like a newb than as scum to me. ... Voted John because he and Tony were the 2 lynch candidates and I felt that John's allegiance would provide more information than Tony's. What?? What information would John's lynch provide if he flipped town - exactly what you thought he'd flip? I remember telling that to someone yesterday; I don't remember who it was. Was it you? I don't know. But yeah, this really stuck out to me here. If you think someone's town, you don't vote for them, even if their lynch might "teach you something" if they flip scum. I AM ELLSWORTH KELLY, HEAR WHAT I HAVE TO SAY!!! THESE WERE THE WISE WORDS OF ELLSWORTH KELLY! I don't get this. Also, where's Brice? Has he posted today?
Brice Marden Posted October 21, 2013 Posted October 21, 2013 I'm here now, trying to catch up. Been crazy day in the studio. Spilled paint all over, big mess, you know how it is. Anyway... Ellsworth, what's with the screaming? Seems weird... Very interesting news from the investigator. For now I'll trust it since there's good likelyhood it's true. The odds of the scum figuring out a real investigator and killing him this fast is pretty small. So... guess I'll look for others to vote for. Still not sure why ellsworth is trusted by the investigator though. Just because one person trusts him doesn't make Ell trustworthy. So investigator, I hope you're very careful with what you tell Ell until you can confirm for sure his allegiance. Course, if he is scum and he knows who you are, you're already dead I guess. At this point, I'm likely to join the Dan bandwagon on voting. I'll hold off a little while though in case I see anything better. So far though no one else is pinging me harder. Hey, anything ever come of that quiz from our hosts the other day?
Hinckley Posted October 21, 2013 Author Posted October 21, 2013 vote tally Dan Flavin: 3 votes (Jo Baer, Ellsworth Kelly, Carl Andre)
Donald Judd Posted October 21, 2013 Posted October 21, 2013 Carl, what exactly makes you think I'm suspicious? That I'm disagreeing with you? I'm surprised because you seemed to be trying to think for yourself and now you don't give a reason for that. if John and Eva are confirmed through an investigator, I will vote with them. That's not very bright. Even assuming that they are cleared and trustworthy, it doesn't mean that their judgment is infallible. Think for yourself or we might as well have just let a spambot in here. The odds of the scum figuring out a real investigator and killing him this fast is pretty small. Considering I've been blocked two nights in a row, the odds might be better than you think. The scum know that much so there's not a lot of harm in saying it. Since they can't block me for a third time in a row tonight according to the rules, they're going to have to figure out something different for me tonight. There has to be a reason that they wouldn't have moved on after the first night. Right now I'm torn. There is a chance I've been wrong about John and Eva, and their investigator is real. I have too many doubts about the whole thing, though, to just let them be. The whole thing stinks. I don't trust either of them but I don't think the rest of you are going to go after them. But I'm not loving Dan either. The thing that holds me back from voting for him is the ease with which his lynch seems to be going. He seems to be an easy target.
John McCracken Posted October 21, 2013 Posted October 21, 2013 I'm going to Vote: Dan Flavin I gave my reasons earlier. His post earlier did literally nothing to alleviate that... Even though I am confirmed, it doesn't mean I know everything. I'd urge you to come to a reasoned judgement of who to vote for yourself, and as it is seeing that Dan is being lynched, perhaps it's a constructive thing to attempt to sniff out his allies. (assuming he is scum)
Hinckley Posted October 21, 2013 Author Posted October 21, 2013 "How the hell are we holding these things?" vote tally Dan Flavin: 4 votes (Jo Baer, Ellsworth Kelly, Carl Andre, John McCracken) The Day ends in 21.5 hours.
Eva Hesse Posted October 21, 2013 Posted October 21, 2013 if John and Eva are confirmed through an investigator, I will vote with them. As other said also, think for yourself don´t just go with that we are confirmed town then we know who the scum is. Look at me, I voted to days in a row on John and then he was confirmed town, now I have a hard time to find out who to vote for, my suspects are Dan, Carl and you Robert because you are so keen on just going with it and voting on an bandvagon, trying to fly under the rader. Alright, so I've been looking things over, and as it stands right now, my main suspects are Dan and Donald. Out of the remaining nonclears, Anne/Robert have both towntold, and Ellsworth is apparently town(??). This leaves Dan/Donald/Jo/Brice. I'm not so sure about Jo or Brice - the former is null leaning town, the latter just null. Why do you think Robert is town told, his comments today does not help town not what so ever, as others have stated also Carl, what exactly makes you think I'm suspicious? That I'm disagreeing with you? I'm surprised because you seemed to be trying to think for yourself and now you don't give a reason for that. That's not very bright. Even assuming that they are cleared and trustworthy, it doesn't mean that their judgment is infallible. Think for yourself or we might as well have just let a spambot in here. Considering I've been blocked two nights in a row, the odds might be better than you think. The scum know that much so there's not a lot of harm in saying it. Since they can't block me for a third time in a row tonight according to the rules, they're going to have to figure out something different for me tonight. There has to be a reason that they wouldn't have moved on after the first night. Right now I'm torn. There is a chance I've been wrong about John and Eva, and their investigator is real. I have too many doubts about the whole thing, though, to just let them be. The whole thing stinks. I don't trust either of them but I don't think the rest of you are going to go after them. But I'm not loving Dan either. The thing that holds me back from voting for him is the ease with which his lynch seems to be going. He seems to be an easy target. You have been blocked 2 nights in a row, there has only been 2 nights so far, so how would scum who you are, would they be so lucky? I am gonna hold my vote, have to think this over and go through Carls and Roberts posts before I choose one of Dan, Carl or Robert.
Jo Baer Posted October 21, 2013 Posted October 21, 2013 Town read John on Day 1. If you read the thread you'd see where I said he read more like a newb than as scum to me. Scum read Eva day 1. You'll also see where I accused her. Continued to scum read Eva Day 2. Did not want to vote for her in order to avoid a no-lynch. Voted John because he and Tony were the 2 lynch candidates and I felt that John's allegiance would provide more information than Tony's. Cop result today made me decide John was town, for sure. Even if the 'cop' was scum I could see him claiming to have investigated John (who again, feels like a newer player to me) to try to manipulate him, and if the cop is legit (more likely) then duh he's town. Again, pretty much 100% town on John now. Eva, not so sure. I'd been scum reading her but because of the cop I don't want to push harder, you'd see that if you read my only post today (which some people think is me trying to get an Eva lynch rolling? What?) where I specifically say that I do not want to lynch her unless substantial evidence towards fake results comes up. My logic is perfectly sound throughout all three days, I was just able to get online more (and therefore make my intentions clearer) on Day 1. Yes, I did read your post for today, I even quoted it. And I feel that you have been back and forth on what you think, whithout providing proper reasons for why you change your opinion. And today, you are under heat, and this is all you can say. You're still not trying to help us find scum here. You're just telling us you think John is town and that you're backing off Eva. Ok then Dan, who is your number one suspect now? You must have some opinion on the matter. Because to me it looks like you're just trying to go with the popular opinion on things. And I see people are hopping on to vote for you, not sure what to read into that... This is the first day that the votes haven't been split (at least not yet)...
Robert Mangold Posted October 21, 2013 Posted October 21, 2013 I'm sorry I don't have much to contribute. I'll try to find some time today to read through things before the day ends.
Ellsworth Kelly Posted October 21, 2013 Posted October 21, 2013 I AM ELLSWORTH KELLY, HERE WHAT I HAVE TO SAY!!! if John and Eva are confirmed through an investigator, I will vote with them. I'm sorry I don't have much to contribute. I'll try to find some time today to read through things before the day ends. THESE WERE THE WISE WORDS OF ELLSWORTH KELLY!
Jo Baer Posted October 21, 2013 Posted October 21, 2013 At this point, I'm likely to join the Dan bandwagon on voting. I'll hold off a little while though in case I see anything better. So far though no one else is pinging me harder. How about trying to help us see anything better? Instead of just waiting for everyone else to do the work for you... I'm sorry I don't have much to contribute. I'll try to find some time today to read through things before the day ends. We're in the last third of the day. You've not had time to look through things from days past and add any opinions yet, but you're going to do it before the day ends? I'm not holding my breath...
Brice Marden Posted October 21, 2013 Posted October 21, 2013 Considering I've been blocked two nights in a row, the odds might be better than you think. The scum know that much so there's not a lot of harm in saying it. Since they can't block me for a third time in a row tonight according to the rules, they're going to have to figure out something different for me tonight. There has to be a reason that they wouldn't have moved on after the first night. Right now I'm torn. There is a chance I've been wrong about John and Eva, and their investigator is real. I have too many doubts about the whole thing, though, to just let them be. The whole thing stinks. I don't trust either of them but I don't think the rest of you are going to go after them. But I'm not loving Dan either. The thing that holds me back from voting for him is the ease with which his lynch seems to be going. He seems to be an easy target. Well,if you are telling the truth then we can make some reasonable deductions from that. 1. You're not the investigator but are some other role (or how would you know you were blocked) 2. The scum must have for who knows what reason blocked you and copped you on night 1, found that you had a powerful role, and then decided to block again night 2. Ergo, they could NOT then know who the investigator was on night 1, and therefore could not have killed him/her night 2 based on knowing. It's slightly possible that they killed AND copped the same person night 2 (to see if they were taking out a role), but that seems a stretch. I'd think they'd want to cop a living target to help determine future kill priorities. All that is assuming they HAVE both blocking and cop ability. Or of course, there's the alternative explanation. You're a lying scum making up a story about being blocked. It'd be a fairly safe gambit, since the odds of 2 PRs being blocked both nights (assuming both town and scum have a blocker) and them coming forward now to reveal that they were a PR just to disprove you is pretty slim. Odds of some vanillas getting blocked and not knowing it seems reasonably high to make the risk. The one thing making me think you might be telling the truth is that your claim came out of nowhere. On the other hand, it'd be a pretty decent way for a scum to claim a PR and hope to get into the inner circle of the town. Or draw an investigator onto themselves while they have a watcher or something. Or to take out the investigator because they're a scum PGO, though that's not a common role. Hm. I'll have to think on your claim some more.
Robert Mangold Posted October 21, 2013 Posted October 21, 2013 I can emoticon too. How about trying to help us see anything better? Instead of just waiting for everyone else to do the work for you... When I have time, I can. I know you're unemployed, Jo, so you can spend hours going though things, but I genuinely haven't had the time to participate. It's just what happens sometime. We're in the last third of the day. You've not had time to look through things from days past and add any opinions yet, but you're going to do it before the day ends? I'm not holding my breath... Don't hold your breath. It cuts off the air to the brain. It's bad for you. I appreciate your hard work in catching scum so far. Oh, wait, none of us have Glass houses, stones, etc etc Anyway, now that that piousness has been dealt with... There are ten of us remaining. How many days do you think it would take us to figure out if it was a lie? How many scum do you think there are? They have every reason to lie about this. I don't think they would. There is/was an investigator, so unless the scum got really lucky on day one, were read as godfather, then got contacted by the investigator, and knew to kill them (making that Frank)... It's just really unlikely they would risk lying when the real investigator could call their bluff. I find it odd that the 2 scummiesf people were investigated as town; from experience, an investigator would want to form a block by investigating people which are appearing town , not with individuals who are under scrutiny and appear scummy as hell in thread. Mark my words, you two are scum; filthy 'Amorphophallus titanum' smelling scum! I am most definitely town and am eager to work with confirmed people; as such I am willing to back down from scrutinizing you and John for the time being. We must however not forget that we have no 'non-suspect' confirmation that this investigator is legit. Are you saying that Ellsworth was also investigated? I don't understand that comment John calls Anne scum, and she immediately backs down on her very strong claims. I don't like that at all. As other said also, think for yourself don´t just go with that we are confirmed town then we know who the scum is. I agree, but I have been away from things for a while. Even most of day two, I wasn't able to check in much. If I don't have a lot of opinions, then it's better for me to go along with the town pack, rather than float out some baseless theories for the sake of pretending to be active. Looking at the quotes from Donald and Anne, I'm pretty iffy about the both of them. Donald immediately tries to cast doubt on the claims, which seemed really solid from the start. Anne's worries me more though. She knew she would lose if it came down to her and John, so she did a hard 180. Too wishy washy. Dan is getting the lynch, unless a lot of you change your minds quickly. My vote won't change much. Vote: Anne Truitt
Donald Judd Posted October 21, 2013 Posted October 21, 2013 It's funny how some of you factor the odds. An investigator comes out after a few of us are dead and you think it statisitcally impossible that they could be scum pulling a trick. But I come forward merely saying that the scum blocked me twice and somehow it's much more likely that I'm scum. I'm not saying this for anyone to claim to me, and I don't want them to do so. So if any of you were thinking about it, don't. I'm saying it because I am most likely dead soon and I think it makes the scum pulling a fake investigator ploy more likely. I don't think we can assume how they would have found out about me. It might be a role cop or there might be some twist we can't see. The role cop may even be a day action. I don't know. You have been blocked 2 nights in a row, there has only been 2 nights so far, so how would scum who you are, would they be so lucky? I really don't know but it makes no sense for them to conitinue to block me after the first night if they didn't have a strong reason to believe I had a role. I contacted no one privately and, until today, no one contacted me. I fear that others may be claiming to large numbers of people. The investigator certainly seems to have gotten around if everything I've heard is true. If you've been contacted by them, ask yourself "Why did they claim to me when they already have two supposedly clear people to talk to?" It stinks and I'm not afraid of being called suspicious for saying so.
Robert Mangold Posted October 21, 2013 Posted October 21, 2013 It's funny how some of you factor the odds. An investigator comes out after a few of us are dead and you think it statisitcally impossible that they could be scum pulling a trick. But I come forward merely saying that the scum blocked me twice and somehow it's much more likely that I'm scum. Sorry, I forgot about that claim when was saying that. Nobody has been blocked can counter claim that? I think it's safe to trust your claim.
Brice Marden Posted October 21, 2013 Posted October 21, 2013 It's funny how some of you factor the odds. An investigator comes out after a few of us are dead and you think it statisitcally impossible that they could be scum pulling a trick. But I come forward merely saying that the scum blocked me twice and somehow it's much more likely that I'm scum. Well, if I had to choose between your claim and the investigator claim as being fake, I'd put odds on yours. Doesn't mean either IS fake, and I think it's nearly impossible for both to be fake, but sure doesn't mean I 100% trust either. I'm not saying this for anyone to claim to me, and I don't want them to do so. So if any of you were thinking about it, don't. I'm saying it because I am most likely dead soon and I think it makes the scum pulling a fake investigator ploy more likely. Ah, so that's why it came out all of a sudden. That does make sense - but again, to play devil's advocate, it could also be a ploy hoping for a town protector to cover you and get caught. So far you've just said "I'm important and probably gonna die tonight" but that doesn't exactly help us at all does it... I don't think we can assume how they would have found out about me. It might be a role cop or there might be some twist we can't see. The role cop may even be a day action. I don't know. Oh, I fully expect there to be weirdness in the roles. In fact I KNOW there's some weirdness. I really don't know but it makes no sense for them to conitinue to block me after the first night if they didn't have a strong reason to believe I had a role. I contacted no one privately and, until today, no one contacted me. Good to know... sucks when people get caught due to talking too much (been there myself...) I fear that others may be claiming to large numbers of people. The investigator certainly seems to have gotten around if everything I've heard is true. If you've been contacted by them, ask yourself "Why did they claim to me when they already have two supposedly clear people to talk to?" It stinks and I'm not afraid of being called suspicious for saying so. Yeah, if the investigator is talking beyond a couple people that's bad. Can anyone confirm that there's too much talking occurring?
Jo Baer Posted October 21, 2013 Posted October 21, 2013 When I have time, I can. I know you're unemployed, Jo, so you can spend hours going though things, but I genuinely haven't had the time to participate. It's just what happens sometime. I appreciate your hard work in catching scum so far. Oh, wait, none of us have Glass houses, stones, etc etc You think I'm unemployed? Haha, don't make me laugh. I'm just trying to make an effort, that's all. Which is more than some others... I know I haven't led any scum lynches, and I'm not asking you to follow me like a sheep either, just participate and add your opinion, so we can get more to work with. Nobody has been blocked can counter claim that? I think it's safe to trust your claim. Yeah, if the investigator is talking beyond a couple people that's bad. Can anyone confirm that there's too much talking occurring? I don't think we really want anyone else to share anything more in public that should be kept private. If someone wants to counterclaim to have been blocked, please do so in private to someone you trust, so we don't out any more power roles... And likewise, we don't want any more careless sharing of who's in a trusted circle, or how much talking is going on or not. That will only help scum figure out who to kill.
Hinckley Posted October 21, 2013 Author Posted October 21, 2013 vote tally Dan Flavin: 4 votes (Jo Baer, Ellsworth Kelly, Carl Andre, John McCracken) Anne Truitt: 1 vote (Robert Mangold) Approximately 12 hours remain in Day Three.
Anne Truitt Posted October 21, 2013 Posted October 21, 2013 John calls Anne scum, and she immediately backs down on her very strong claims. I don't like that at all. I agree, but I have been away from things for a while. Even most of day two, I wasn't able to check in much. If I don't have a lot of opinions, then it's better for me to go along with the town pack, rather than float out some baseless theories for the sake of pretending to be active. Looking at the quotes from Donald and Anne, I'm pretty iffy about the both of them. Donald immediately tries to cast doubt on the claims, which seemed really solid from the start. Anne's worries me more though. She knew she would lose if it came down to her and John, so she did a hard 180. Too wishy washy. Dan is getting the lynch, unless a lot of you change your minds quickly. My vote won't change much. Vote: Anne Truitt Can you point me to the post where John called me scum? I fail to find it, the 2 posts you quoted are from me. I am not sure where you are a planing to go with this frivolous accusation but please carry on; your wanting to distract the attention away from the principal lynch target makes you appear even scummier than you already are. Roses are red, dandelions are yellow and you my friend are a scummo!
Eva Hesse Posted October 21, 2013 Posted October 21, 2013 It's funny how some of you factor the odds. An investigator comes out after a few of us are dead and you think it statisitcally impossible that they could be scum pulling a trick. But I come forward merely saying that the scum blocked me twice and somehow it's much more likely that I'm scum. I'm not saying this for anyone to claim to me, and I don't want them to do so. So if any of you were thinking about it, don't. I'm saying it because I am most likely dead soon and I think it makes the scum pulling a fake investigator ploy more likely. I don't think we can assume how they would have found out about me. It might be a role cop or there might be some twist we can't see. The role cop may even be a day action. I don't know. I really don't know but it makes no sense for them to conitinue to block me after the first night if they didn't have a strong reason to believe I had a role. I contacted no one privately and, until today, no one contacted me. I fear that others may be claiming to large numbers of people. The investigator certainly seems to have gotten around if everything I've heard is true. If you've been contacted by them, ask yourself "Why did they claim to me when they already have two supposedly clear people to talk to?" It stinks and I'm not afraid of being called suspicious for saying so. Hey I don´t understand why you did this as Jo said you should had said it private or shut up if you have a "important" PR that you are blocked. You were not on the chopping block, I just supected you and threw you the ball, like start talking. You didn´t have to do that if you really are a town with a PR because yea you are most likely dead now because the scum know for sure now what you are. Anne/Robert/Dan/Donald/Jo/Brice/Ellsworth/John and Me Who is the scum vs who is the town How many scum is there, probably 3 maybe 4. But not likely because of the total of 13 people involved, 4 would be a bit much. So I am town Eva, and John is. Ellsworth I trust to be town and also Anne somewhat to town. Dan, seems to get lynched today and some were very quickly jumping on that one... The Dead, all town Sol Frank Tony And Donald, if his claim is right that makes him town And then there is Brice, no read on her but maybe 50/50 town My supects for scum (these are supects, don´t get upset Carl and Jo. You make some good and well thought reasons for your vote actually but hmm I have my suspicions Then we have Robert, was very quiet and didn´t know what to say then he opened up his mouth with some good point but I don´t think his voting his very good with a vote on Anne. I will go on Vote: Robert Mangold Your points were somewhat good and you were think for yourself. But so am I and it find you scummy today, together with the 2 others on my list above.
Anne Truitt Posted October 21, 2013 Posted October 21, 2013 I have a hard time with Dan's lack of reaction to the lynch; does it not remind you of yesterday's lynch? Dan appears to have given up and that to me is more of a town-tell than a scum tell. The bandwagon is too powerful and I find it unlikely that sum would bus one of their own when they are pretty much acting un-impeeded. As such I will vote Vote: Robert Mangold Also daisies are flowers
Robert Mangold Posted October 21, 2013 Posted October 21, 2013 Can you point me to the post where John called me scum? I fail to find it, the 2 posts you quoted are from me. I am not sure where you are a planing to go with this frivolous accusation but please carry on; your wanting to distract the attention away from the principal lynch target makes you appear even scummier than you already are. Roses are red, dandelions are yellow and you my friend are a scummo! Sorry, that was the investigator cleared Eva, not the investigator cleared John. Stop now Annie, I will come straight out... Are you scum, I don´t trust you at all. You have been vocal and been trying to catch scum, but as I have stated before I fell you are just playing it. So are you really town, start working with us. I am keeping my eyes on you. Same difference. Anne, you weren't going to win in pushing that point, so you changed your tune. I think you knew exactly what I meant, but exaggerate your confusion to help justify pointing your finger elsewhere. I have a hard time with Dan's lack of reaction to the lynch; does it not remind you of yesterday's lynch? Dan appears to have given up and that to me is more of a town-tell than a scum tell. The bandwagon is too powerful and I find it unlikely that sum would bus one of their own when they are pretty much acting un-impeeded. As such I will vote Vote: Robert Mangold Also daisies are flowers Revenge voting. Very townie scummy. I feel better about my vote.
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