Adamskii Posted February 2, 2014 Posted February 2, 2014 hope the Ghostbusters kit includes a "slimer" Quote
badbob001 Posted February 4, 2014 Posted February 4, 2014 No in fact part of the reason for the long time before we got the results prior to this one was one or two review periods produced no sets that passed review. And yes they have taken steps to speed the process. Hmm, I guess for those periods, they don't even bother to make a video saying that every candidate got rejected? It just seems to me from just watching the cuusoo vidoes, something gets picked every time. Quote
Faefrost Posted February 4, 2014 Posted February 4, 2014 Hmm, I guess for those periods, they don't even bother to make a video saying that every candidate got rejected? It just seems to me from just watching the cuusoo vidoes, something gets picked every time. I sort of suspect they avoided saying anything until they had the huge backlog cleared and some good news to give us. This should in theory be less of a problem going forward. Most of the purpose for the CuuSoo rules changes a few months ago was to prevent many of the more obvious technically impossible or "immediate failures" projects from going all the way to 10k, bogging down the review system, and triggering fan outrage and backlash. The new rules increase the chances that what actually makes it to 10k will have a better chance as a product. (They eliminate some of the blanket business case failures, leaving mostly just the projects individual business case.) Quote
badbob001 Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 It seems like the current winning Ghostbuster set got picked because it got to 10K first. But what if the other set got to 10K first? I like the car design of the winning set much more in comparison to the other one, but would LEGO be forced to go with the winning design even if it may not be the best? I know LEGO will tweak the design but I'm not sure if they will be willing to revamp the entire design (minecraft may be the exception). Sometimes I'm afraid that people are voting for a project not because they think the design is the best but because they simply want LEGO to obtain the license and hope it leads to better sets. Also, what if some people think that voting for similar projects will somehow improve the chance that SOMETHING gets through by blanket-effect? Quote
Faefrost Posted February 6, 2014 Posted February 6, 2014 It seems like the current winning Ghostbuster set got picked because it got to 10K first. But what if the other set got to 10K first? I like the car design of the winning set much more in comparison to the other one, but would LEGO be forced to go with the winning design even if it may not be the best? I know LEGO will tweak the design but I'm not sure if they will be willing to revamp the entire design (minecraft may be the exception). Sometimes I'm afraid that people are voting for a project not because they think the design is the best but because they simply want LEGO to obtain the license and hope it leads to better sets. Also, what if some people think that voting for similar projects will somehow improve the chance that SOMETHING gets through by blanket-effect? That's the built in downside of crowd sourcing. The crowd can be kind of shotgun like. I think the Ghostbusters question was a very rare case of two very similarly designed depictions of the same subject hitting review at the same time. Same form factor, same minifig subjects, just very unusual. Barring a major difference in scale or features I think TLG's decision to use the first to 10k as a primary determinant is the only reasonable way to do it. In probably better than 90% of any such conflicts it's probably the case of one projects marketing efforts dragging the other up as well. All said I doubt if we will see such a side by side conflict again any time soon. Quote
Dorayaki Posted February 6, 2014 Posted February 6, 2014 It seems like the current winning Ghostbuster set got picked because it got to 10K first. But what if the other set got to 10K first? I like the car design of the winning set much more in comparison to the other one, but would LEGO be forced to go with the winning design even if it may not be the best? I thought they've mentioned that the choice was the "better" design. But it has to be in the same review period, and we're not sure if future projects based on the used concept but have improved models (eg, the UCS DeLorean Time Machine) would pass. But even if the original design wasn't good enough, I guess TLG would try to make the final product better, or worse. Quote
rodiziorobs Posted February 6, 2014 Posted February 6, 2014 Since TLG will change the design anyway, I'm guessing that regardless of which project they accepted, the end product would be fairly identical. The ones it matters most to are the builders who get the recognition and royalties, and the builders who don't. Quote
Xyver Posted February 6, 2014 Posted February 6, 2014 This is also the problem with people proposing an idea rather than a set, or a lacklustre build of a set anyway, when there are already decent versions of the set simmering away. Imagine if one person proposed a Knight Rider set, but with a very undetailed, very plain black car. Another person produced a very detailed model, though of similar scale. It is conceivable, as what happened with Ghostbusters, they will both be pushed past the 10k votes because people want to see a LEGO version of K.I.T.T. If the idea passes 10k first, would they be forced to give us an undetailed car and pay the royalties to the person who submitted the idea, when the person who put in all the effort (and possible submitted their project first) gets nothing, even though theirs is the car the people actually want to see? That being said, the project that did not pass review was posted on Cuusoo first (by nearly a year) but didn't gain any traction until Brent's vehicle started being promoted and it was carried along with it. Oh man, this is a minefield, I don't blame LEGO for saying first to 10k wins, otherwise there are just too many variables to try and work out who the royalties belong to. Lets just hope the above scenario never happens, and we only ever get decent sets made. And before you say anything, I still consider the DeLorean a decent set, they did the best they could so as to keep the car convertible to all three variations. My only complaint about that car is that the roof should have been wider, but it was easily modded. I kept the bonnet as is, though I would have preferred and actual windscreen. Quote
AFOLguy1970 Posted February 6, 2014 Posted February 6, 2014 This is also the problem with people proposing an idea rather than a set, or a lacklustre build of a set anyway, when there are already decent versions of the set simmering away. Imagine if one person proposed a Knight Rider set, but with a very undetailed, very plain black car. Another person produced a very detailed model, though of similar scale. It is conceivable, as what happened with Ghostbusters, they will both be pushed past the 10k votes because people want to see a LEGO version of K.I.T.T. If the idea passes 10k first, would they be forced to give us an undetailed car and pay the royalties to the person who submitted the idea, when the person who put in all the effort (and possible submitted their project first) gets nothing, even though theirs is the car the people actually want to see? I would imagine the scenario you described is unlikely due to the probability that a non detailed K.I.T.T. in competition with a better one would not get 10,000 votes. If there were two to choose from on the site, it would seem like most of the votes would go to the obviously better one. In the case of Ghostbusters, both designs were good. Neither one of them seemed substandard to me. The only big difference seemed to be that one of them had the fire station in addition to the car and minifigs. Quote
Faefrost Posted February 6, 2014 Posted February 6, 2014 This is also the problem with people proposing an idea rather than a set, or a lacklustre build of a set anyway, when there are already decent versions of the set simmering away. Imagine if one person proposed a Knight Rider set, but with a very undetailed, very plain black car. Another person produced a very detailed model, though of similar scale. It is conceivable, as what happened with Ghostbusters, they will both be pushed past the 10k votes because people want to see a LEGO version of K.I.T.T. If the idea passes 10k first, would they be forced to give us an undetailed car and pay the royalties to the person who submitted the idea, when the person who put in all the effort (and possible submitted their project first) gets nothing, even though theirs is the car the people actually want to see? That being said, the project that did not pass review was posted on Cuusoo first (by nearly a year) but didn't gain any traction until Brent's vehicle started being promoted and it was carried along with it. Oh man, this is a minefield, I don't blame LEGO for saying first to 10k wins, otherwise there are just too many variables to try and work out who the royalties belong to. Lets just hope the above scenario never happens, and we only ever get decent sets made. And before you say anything, I still consider the DeLorean a decent set, they did the best they could so as to keep the car convertible to all three variations. My only complaint about that car is that the roof should have been wider, but it was easily modded. I kept the bonnet as is, though I would have preferred and actual windscreen. This is why it is best to vote on the presentation and project, and not simply the idea. Quote
badbob001 Posted February 6, 2014 Posted February 6, 2014 (edited) I think that including the firestation in the project may have held back the winning project and help promote the other one. For people that are familiar with how cuusoo works, they will see the large firestation and view it as a potential disqualifier (too expensive, meant for a followup set, etc). Now that they think there is no way this project will win, they put their votes to a similar project now that they are all excited about the potential license. Maybe they should have a secondary round of votes for tied projects. Edited February 6, 2014 by badbob001 Quote
stevkir Posted April 2, 2014 Posted April 2, 2014 (edited) That's the built in downside of crowd sourcing. The crowd can be kind of shotgun like. I think the Ghostbusters question was a very rare case of two very similarly designed depictions of the same subject hitting review at the same time. Same form factor, same minifig subjects, just very unusual. Barring a major difference in scale or features I think TLG's decision to use the first to 10k as a primary determinant is the only reasonable way to do it. In probably better than 90% of any such conflicts it's probably the case of one projects marketing efforts dragging the other up as well. All said I doubt if we will see such a side by side conflict again any time soon. Cough... Doctor Who... Cough. Since everyone was talking about the Ghostbusters set coming out in June I was wondering about the building that was posted with the car. I talked to an employee at my local LEGO store and he said the guy was offering the LDD for it for download since it wasn't chosen to be produced like the car. Is there a location where I can get that and take a look at the LDD for it? Edited April 2, 2014 by stevkir Quote
dr_spock Posted April 2, 2014 Posted April 2, 2014 LDD for Ghostbuster building is in the thread http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=92672 Quote
Faefrost Posted April 2, 2014 Posted April 2, 2014 Cough... Doctor Who... Cough. Ghostbusters was kind of a mostly random coincidence. Yeah the two projects fed off each other as they got popular. But the side by side race was mainly just a purely random fluke. Under normal natural conditions it will be extremely rare to see that repeated. Not even the steady progression of Zelda projects have run that closely. Whereas Dr. who was CuuSoo shouting BTW we now except Dr. who submissions, 1234GO!!!! CuuSoo itself defined the point of submission and guaranteed multiple projects simply by making the announcement. They essentially and wholly unintentionally created a Dr. Who contest. Quote
Blondie-Wan Posted April 3, 2014 Posted April 3, 2014 Perhaps not exactly intentionally, but I do think they at least anticipated it happening. Surely anyone who's been following LEGO CUUSOO in general for any substantial period of time could predict there'd be a sudden rush of postings of Doctor Who projects, and votes for same, the instant the LEGO CUUSOO folks specifically made a point of saying they'd be accepted. Quote
stevkir Posted April 3, 2014 Posted April 3, 2014 (edited) I totally understand the reasoning behind the Doctor Who projects having more than 1 getting to 10,000 in a review period. I was just pointing out that there was one. Granted at the time of his post the announcement about being able to submit Doctor Who and them being accepted for the review had not been done yet. But the fact is it still happened very soon after his statement and that is all I was meaning by my statement. I too do not foresee another time like this unless Cuusoo makes another announcement like they did for Doctor Who. Kinda one of those Murphy's Law, where you say it shouldn't happen and it does soon after. Edited April 3, 2014 by stevkir Quote
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