Doctor Who Series 3

[Brainbox]

There's still one thing I don't get: whatever happened to 'Just one trip'? :-/

First it was 'just one trip' (Shakespeare)

Then The Doctor re-defined it as 'one trip in the past, one trip in the future' (New Earth)

The it became 'We've seen New New York, let's see New York' (Daleks)

Next week the 'one trip' ends as Martha arrives back home, only to be thrust into a classy adventure facing Dr Lazarus and his creature-thing.

[dunamis]

I really enjoy the new series. Growing up in a little town in Kansas we only had four TV stations and one was PBS. They aired classic Dr. Who episodes from the Tom Baker and Peter Davidson eras and I got hooked. I was able to track down some older episodes from the third Doctor, John Pertwee (sp?) so I have a pretty good handle on that era. Of course this was back in the late 1970s and 1980s so my recollection of the details are a bit sketchy.

Here in the United States, the SciFi channel broadcasts the new series. I was happy to see Sarah Jane Smith come back last season. I also really liked Rose and Jack as the Doctor's Companions. Unfortunately, we won't get season three here until July. However, I have managed to 'acquire' the first two episodes and I think it is really good so far. I think Martha is a good companion so far. I also did see the runaway bride and thought it was pretty good.

I thought Torchwood was an outstanding series. It has not aired here in the US and due to the adult content I doubt it will unless they really edit some things out. The series is really good, it is kind of like Dr Who meets the X-files. Does anyone know if they are planning a second series of Torchwood?

Anyway, great stuff and I'm glad to see some other Dr Who fans out there.

[Brainbox]

I thought Torchwood was an outstanding series. It has not aired here in the US and due to the adult content I doubt it will unless they really edit some things out. The series is really good, it is kind of like Dr Who meets the X-files. Does anyone know if they are planning a second series of Torchwood?

I thought it was quite good too. Sure, it's not Doctor Who but that's the point. I think there is a second series in the making, which is good news.

You know I sadi that the last two episodes were relevant to my History GCSE? Well, guess what we watched the other day! Daleks in Manhattan. :-D

[The Kid]

Woo, pretty good indeed.

The Master! :-D

Mr. Saxon warns Martha's mother...

Always with the mothers... :-P

Shame we have to wait 2 weeks for the next one, which looks intriguing indeed - with the return of Cap'n Jack. X-D Mind you, was that Mr. Saxon on that oxygen mask at the end of next episode's trailer? He looked a lot different to the Mr. Saxon in this episode. Oh, and what was his full name again? I forget. Yup, already. *wacko*

TK

[Brainbox]

Damn, you beat me to it.

Actually, Jack isn't back next time, the trailer was a composite of clips from the last half of the series: 42, Human Nature/Family of Blood, Blink, Utopia, Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords. Jack's back in Utopia I think. Here's a link to the trailer: Trailer 7-13

Harold Saxon. Gotta be an alias. King Harold, Anglo-Saxons. Ooh, he's stirring... I think it is Saxon in the oxygen mask. You know, if Saxon is the Master, then maybe he wants the rejuvention machine to gain more regenerations (he always wants that). You heard Lazarus say how it could cause essential immortality.

The monster this week was pretty cool. And I'm still sure that the Laz Labs logo is based on (or is) Gallifreyan writing...

Best bit of this weeks? "Shouldn't take that long to reverse the polarity. Must be out of practice." :-D Hearkening back to the Third Doctor.

[The Kid]

Some good points there... *thinks hard, brain hurts*

Ouch.

TK

[Brainbox]

Some good points there... *thinks hard, brain hurts*

Ouch.

I do have that effect on people, yes. ;-)

[casewindu]

i heard a rumour that the empty child was comming back into it is that true? i doubt it myself but on the "next time on doctor who" there was some sort of World War one.

Also that dalek in America does that one become the one in the museum? i doubt this too but i could be.

saturdays episode was quite good probably one of the best this series. ;-)

[Brainbox]

i heard a rumour that the empty child was comming back into it is that true? i doubt it myself but on the "next time on doctor who" there was some sort of World War one.

I've not heard that. There is an episode set on the cusp of WW1 (1913 I think). But I don't think it's the Empty Child. Instead the Doctor's facing the Jack Straws, scarecrow like creatures. The trailer indicates that they want a Time Lord. The plot of those two episodes (Human Nature/Family of Blood) is loosely based on the core premise of the Seventh Doctor novel of the same name (Human Nature), written by the same person. I won't reveal what happens (I haven't read the book, but I do know what happens), but there's a clue in the title...

Also that dalek in America does that one become the one in the museum? i doubt this too but i could be.

Perhaps. I doubt it, but you never know.

[Brainbox]

I watched the new trailer again the other night on the BBCi Doctor Who bit (just showing the trailer in a loop. Or should that be time loop...). Guess what I noticed. At the end, with Saxon wearing the oxygen mask, look at his ring. It is either the same or similar to the LazLabs logo: I'm sure it's a Gallifreyan symbol...

*wub*

[JINZONINGEN73]

Hmm.

I haven't been online, so I've been unable to see any of season 3 yet.

But I don't like what I'm hearing from this thread.

-They're STILL doing that BadWolf/Torchwood silliness?

It was cute and made sense... in the first season.

-They took that cheap-assed route EVERY scifi thing that goes on too long eventually takes? Half human/ half (INSERT ALIEN RACE HERE) crap? GOD that's a stale concept. It used to be done so the cost of special effects could be cut.

NOW shows and movies use it because they're severely uncreative.

I did see the previews of season 3 that came on after 'The Runaway Bride', and thought the zoo animal aliens looked cheesy, as well as the HORRIBLE "old-guy" makeup on the dude from the Lazarus one ...my expectations aren't too high this time around.

Perhaps I should shut up though until I download them on DSL next week. :-D

[Brainbox]

-They're STILL doing that BadWolf/Torchwood silliness?

It was cute and made sense... in the first season.

The Mr Saxon arc is less prominent than Bad Wolf/Torchwood as it has only appeared in present day episodes so far. I quite like arcs, sowing the seeds of what's to come: great for fan-boys.

-They took that cheap-assed route EVERY scifi thing that goes on too long eventually takes? Half human/ half (INSERT ALIEN RACE HERE) crap? GOD that's a stale concept. It used to be done so the cost of special effects could be cut.

NOW shows and movies use it because they're severely uncreative.

Interestingly, they've had humans becoming Daleks before numerous times: seeded to mutate in to Dalek creatures (Kaleds). But this is the first time it's happened the other way round. I actually think it works quite well with Daleks though, as it provides an interesting perspective in looking at the Dalek code. It also allows for the Dalek code to be questionned by the newfound human emotions. Which is cool, especially as here it made the Daleks turn on each other. For example, the scene with Sec in chains being lead round by like a pet really worked. We wouldn't have had that if the human/alien hybrid route hadn't been taken.

[Brainbox]

'42'

Oh, what a great number: the real-time idea was interesting, and it was good to see the Doctor in a spacesuit (strangely similar to the last one...) again. More of Mr Saxon (the 'election day' could prove important, seeing as how Saxon's running for PM), and we get to see the Doctor really scared. "Burn with me..." Ooh.

Did you spot the Beatles in-joke? I did, but the rest of my family didn't: following the Doctor failing to answer the Elvis/Beatles question, the Doctor tured away and said "Now where was I? Ah yes, here comes the sun." *y*

Next weeks looks good, especially the Jack Straws.

[JINZONINGEN73]

Just watched first 3 episodes. They were good, which thankfully means the rest likely will be.

The one with the hospital was decent, the rhino aliens were done "good enough". :-D The Doctor seemed to be pouring things on a bit thick with Miss Jones.

The witches one was ok. Normally I HATE "Oh, look... we're visiting some old famous writer" type stories, but Shakespeare was an interesting enough character to not be just some overly confused oldfart like how things usually go in scifi lol.

The New New York one redeemed itself partway through the episode. Like, I'm sitting there thinking how ludicrous it is to expect the viewers to swallow that people are living their lives on an underground freeway while cars are flying all around on the upper city.... but then it makes perfect sense by the end. Most unexpected. For a while, I thought it'd be a plot about POOR people being treated like dogs by the RICH people... but yeah, the ending made me happy.

Hmm... I wonder if The Master is going to pop up again. I kinda' hope not, as they've revived too much of his old enemies as is.

One thing bugs me about Doctor Who AND Star Trek AND most far-flung "future" scifi... their technology sucks.

Here we are in 2007...

-we have on the near horizon the eradication of lightbulbs... light soon to be coming from tiny LEDs making up paint you'd apply to a wall.

-in 20 years, it should be entirely possible to download all your thoughts, character and dreams to an external source.

-cleaner energy is already here, merely heavily suppressed by the people in the world with money.

-nanytes, though SCARY as hell, are going to change the face of our world, our bodies, our minds and who knows what else... SOON. So many scifi franchises lack serious foresight on actual science.

-Robots... seriously. Everybody and their brother is going to have companion

robots following behind them a few footsteps.

So it's a bit... corny... to see in Doctor Who these cars from centuries later which are pootin' out smog exhaust, or people still even DYING from old age. Old age is going to be eradicated within this century, yet show me a "future" scifi that understands that.

Anyway, off that stuff... the kitten saying "Mama" was pure hilarity!

I love how they made it even more funny by not even bothering to toss in some crappy puppetry or CGI... they just tossed a buncha' kittens in a basket!

X D

Great stuff.

[casewindu]

'42'

Oh, what a great number: the real-time idea was interesting, and it was good to see the Doctor in a spacesuit (strangely similar to the last one...) again. More of Mr Saxon (the 'election day' could prove important, seeing as how Saxon's running for PM), and we get to see the Doctor really scared. "Burn with me..." Ooh.

Did you spot the Beatles in-joke? I did, but the rest of my family didn't: following the Doctor failing to answer the Elvis/Beatles question, the Doctor tured away and said "Now where was I? Ah yes, here comes the sun." *y*

Next weeks looks good, especially the Jack Straws.

next weeks looks good yes but i really haven't enjoyed this series it's really running out of steam :-( I though this episode was a little to much like the two Ood ones where humans get possesed and every one dies :-( oh well,hopefully it will get better.

[Brainbox]

an interesting enough character to not be just some overly confused oldfart like how things usually go in scifi lol.

I think you mean, like how things normally go with Shakespeare.

Hmm... I wonder if The Master is going to pop up again. I kinda' hope not, as they've revived too much of his old enemies as is.

Ahem... the theory is that Mr Saxon is the Master. Sorry.

One thing bugs me about Doctor Who AND Star Trek AND most far-flung "future" scifi... their technology sucks.

Funny you should mention that. On Doctor Who Confidential last night, Russel T Davis said that he thought sci-fi should be representative of it's era. The worst thing you can do is make it "timeless." For example, the spacecraft in Doctor Who when it started in 1963 were invariably saucer shaped, but look at them now. In the same way, ships in 10 years time will all look different again.

I though this episode was a little to much like the two Ood ones where humans get possesed and every one dies :-(

Actually, the writer mentioned in Radio Times that he thought the two episodes were set in "the same visual universe," in that the feel is the same and the basic theme is similar.

And we got another new suit: a blue/purple pinstripe. *y*

[JINZONINGEN73]

::looks at the Dalek/human hybrid::

Oh, now that's just silly-lookin'!

Lol, still, it does have a nice "oldschool" scifi monster appeal, like that from the 1950's. :-D

I dunno'... the regular Daleks still seem scarier.

[Brainbox]

Oh, now that's just silly-lookin'!

It's the tentacles that bother me. They look a bit... you know...

Anyway, I like it. Sure the classic Dalek is scarier, but this is menacing as you see what a Dalek could have been. It serves to increase the obvious inhumanity and cruelty of the Daleks.

Next weeks looks really good. Especially the scarecrows...

[hewkii9]

Do any of you know when Series 3 will come to the CBC?

And from what I've read about this-

Caan is the only Dalek left, right? And no serial's been called "Ressurection of the Daleks", right? I think they'll take a bit of plot from Jurassic Park- Caan'll use his blood-maybe even his life- to create new Daleks, and finding Dalekanium wouldn't be that hard for him-he might just go to Skaro.

And Christmas Special Idea- The Doctor and Martha go through the Cardiff Rift to AltEarth and fight Cybermen. And Martha meets Rose. And after, they accidentally lure a few Cybermen to Earth.

[JINZONINGEN73]

Well, these new Doctor Who's are, if anything, a little too heavy on the foreshadowing.

The Doctor practically told all the viewers that yes, Rose'll pop up in the series again.

Watching the second Dalek evolution episode... is it me or did it suffer from alot of that classic "Let's explain our plans to the good guys instead of just killing them quickly" syndrome?

I like how the Daleks bust through into the theater at the end, and for some ungodly reason (plot device... lol) bring along Dalek Sek in chains.

Of equally far-fetched plot device is the doctor's DNA somehow conducting through metal to arrive inside the shell bodies. Ok, so the Daleks had to inject their DNA into the bloodstream through tubes... but the doctor does it through wiring.

Hoo boy.

X D

Oh, you silly, silly writers. :-|

[Brainbox]

And no serial's been called "Ressurection of the Daleks", right?

Wrong. Resurrection of the Daleks

The Doctor practically told all the viewers that yes, Rose'll pop up in the series again.

When?

Watching the second Dalek evolution episode... is it me or did it suffer from alot of that classic "Let's explain our plans to the good guys instead of just killing them quickly" syndrome?

That's always been a thing on Doctor Who though. It's part of the charm. Besides, the Daleks think of themselves as the supreme beings. That is, no one can stand in their way. Even though the Doctor can, and has done countless times before, they still believe they can beat him. So, what's the point of killing him: they know he can't stop them. And he'd probably just regenerate.

Of equally far-fetched plot device is the doctor's DNA somehow conducting through metal to arrive inside the shell bodies. Ok, so the Daleks had to inject their DNA into the bloodstream through tubes... but the doctor does it through wiring.

It's possible, as the lightening conducted straight through his body. You have to remember that the Dalekenium at the base of the mast served as an enhanced conducter, and the source of part of the Dalek DNA (which, as you rightly point out, came from the tubes). If the Doctor got in the way of the Dalekenium, then the part of Dalek coming from there was corrupted. And he's a Time Lord. Who knows.

[UltraPrime]

When the Daleks next appear (and they will...), I'm hoping for something different from a 'last of the Daleks' story. I'm quite satisfied with how the Dalek story has gone sofar, but it has now reached a point where it can only repeat itself, or do something to bring them back full-force.

The only satisfying route I can see is if Caan finds Davros, and they rebuild the Daleks.

As for Cybermen, though the Alt-Earth ones were vanquished, we can still see 'our' Cybermen return...

[JINZONINGEN73]

It's possible, as the lightening conducted straight through his body. You have to remember that the Dalekenium at the base of the mast served as an enhanced conducter, and the source of part of the Dalek DNA (which, as you rightly point out, came from the tubes). If the Doctor got in the way of the Dalekenium, then the part of Dalek coming from there was corrupted. And he's a Time Lord. Who knows.

Ooooooh yeah... I forgot that junk, when touched, assimilates the DNA from the touch. (D-Duh!)

The Doctor practically told all the viewers that yes, Rose'll pop up in the series again.

When?

Martha says something along the lines of, "Do you think you'll ever see her again?", to which he said something like, "Absolutely!".

(Lazarus episode, I think).

The only satisfying route I can see is if Caan finds Davros, and they rebuild the Daleks.

As for Cybermen, though the Alt-Earth ones were vanquished, we can still see 'our' Cybermen return...

I'm not up on my trivia.

1. How did Davros finally die?

2. Were the "old" Cybermen supposedly man-made like the alt-Earth ones?

[UltraPrime]

I'm not up on my trivia.

1. How did Davros finally die?

2. Were the "old" Cybermen supposedly man-made like the alt-Earth ones?

1. He didn't. When last seen, he was in an escape pod flying away...

2. The original Cybermen were from Mondas, Earth's twin-planet. They were man-made in that the inhabitants on Mondas were Human.

[Brainbox]

The only satisfying route I can see is if Caan finds Davros, and they rebuild the Daleks.

*wub* Davros...

Martha says something along the lines of, "Do you think you'll ever see her again?", to which he said something like, "Absolutely!".

(Lazarus episode, I think).

Hmm, must've missed that. I'll have to check.

1. He didn't. When last seen, he was in an escape pod flying away...

He was 'killed' at the end of 'Genesis' after he asked his Mk3 Travel Machine ( ;-) ) to "show mercy." He was later revived by the Daleks to help cure a virus, then apparantly killed again. He then turned up creating new Daleks loyal to him from cryogenically frozen humans at a respite centre. He was then revealed as the new Dalek emperor in the Seventh Doctor serial 'Remembrance of the Daleks.' As stated, he isn't dead (as far as we know), and has been referrenced a few times in the new series.

2. The original Cybermen were from Mondas, Earth's twin-planet. They were man-made in that the inhabitants on Mondas were Human.

They then migrated to Telos after Mondas' destruction. 'Our' Cybermen have been seen in the new series once though- in Van Stattens bunker, and original Cyberman had is on display.

Interestingly, in the 'Doctor Who Visual Dictionary,' which I purchased last week from Asda for