Doctor Who Series 3

[JINZONINGEN73]

So, I'm not big on Torchwood: Why was good ol' not-allowed-to-say-hello Cap'n Jack indestructible? Unless I missed something in that episode?

TK

Because at the end of the first series, Rose sucked in the time vortex from the TARDIS, then set the cosmic value of Jack to "alive" (much as one does when hacking codes into a videogame) ...only, she was new to the power and didn't give his "life" any parameters.

And before she COULD fix it, she was already back to human.

Interesting how 'The Sound Of Drums' is the title of next episode...

My memory might be bad, but wasn't something important in regards to the sounds of drums in the old series?

Or maybe it was a bell bonging (Peter Davidson era)... or was it during the movie where he got sucked into the eye of harmony ohiforgetlol.

[Brainbox]

Or maybe it was a bell bonging (Peter Davidson era)... or was it during the movie where he got sucked into the eye of harmony ohiforgetlol.

The TARDIS Cloister Bell. It rings to warn of impending (ie. probably fatal) danger or if the TARDIS is dying. It was heard in, I believe Logopolis, Castrovalva, the TV Movie and the Children in Need special.

And (I've just checked) the last moments of Resurrection of the Daleks.

And TK, as Jinzo pointed out it was mentioned in the episode why Jack was immortal, but we also saw it numerous times in Torchwood itself (which Jack didn't mention in his list of deaths to the Doctor)- he survived a gunshot in 'Everything Changes,' electrocution in 'Cyberwoman,' multiple repeated gunshots in one episode, and an encounter with Abaddon (the taker of life, who Jack overfeeds on immortality) in 'End of Days.' He also survives Carbon Monoxide poisoning as someone else commits suicide, seemingly with no adverse effects.

Edited June 18, 2007 by Brainbox

[The Kid]

So, what's this Eye of Harmony?

TK

[Plural]

Just wondering but how do you guys think the Doctor will manage to get his TARDIS back and how he'll get back to our time period. The only way i can imagine him getting back is if he fixes Jacks watch with the sonic screwdriver and uses that.

[Brainbox]

So, what's this Eye of Harmony?

Right, technically, there're two of them. Basically, the Eye is a miniature Black Hole from which TARDISes draw their power. There's the main Eye on Gallifrey, which is linked through portals and such to 'copies' of the Eye in each TARDIS. A great scientist, Omega, harnessed the power of a Supernova and was seemilngly destroyed (in actual facy, he became trapped very close to the Event Horizon). Rassilon (essentially the founder of Time Lord society) placed the artificial nucleus opf a black hole (possibly the same one) beneath the Panopticon on Gallifrey. In the TV Movie, it was revealed that each TARDIS has either a copy or a part of the Eye inside for power. Because of the fact that it's a black hole, if the Eye is left open too long, then it would turn a planet inside out and destroy it. In the TV Movie, the Master tried to use the Eye to steal the Doctor's remaining regenerations, but was instead sucked inside...

As of the new series, the status of the Eye on Gallifrey is unclear following the Time War. From the Visual Dictionary, it would appear that the TARDIS still has it's own Eye, which generates Artron energy needed to power the TARDIS. Artron energy is also generated by Time Lords' minds. The energy travels up the central Time Sceptre and into the console, where there is a miniature copy of the Eye (the 'Heart of the TARDIS'). Presumably, the TARDIS needs to refuel at the time rift because of the lack of the main Eye on Gallifrey, and to gain energy from the Time Vortex.

Direct access to the main Eye on the TARDIS is through the Cloister Room, which also houses the Cloister Bell. As I pointed out earlier, that warns of imprnding danger, or the death of the TARDIS because of 'problems' with the Eye. As in, it's been open too long, or it's running out of energy.

The only way i can imagine him getting back is if he fixes Jacks watch with the sonic screwdriver and uses that.

Yeah, that's what I would have said. His Time Vortex Manipulator.

[JINZONINGEN73]

Just wondering but how do you guys think the Doctor will manage to get his TARDIS back and how he'll get back to our time period. The only way i can imagine him getting back is if he fixes Jacks watch with the sonic screwdriver and uses that.

I was thinking they'd have to beat their way through the hungry, fangy hordes to get to The Master's TARDIS... though I doubt he has one any more.

Having been turned to protoplasmic goo by the Daleks, having gotten sucked into the Eye of Harmony, ... it's probably not around.

: p

[Brainbox]

I was thinking they'd have to beat their way through the hungry, fangy hordes to get to The Master's TARDIS... though I doubt he has one any more.

The Doctor said that his TARDIS was the last one in existence in 'Rise of the Cybermen.' Obviously now that there's another Time Lord running around then it's possible it's not. However, if there was another TARDIS, the Doctor's TARDIS would probably have known- it's not easy to hide a TARDIS bio-signature (probably). Besides, if the Master did have his TARDIS, then he wouldn't have needed to steal the Doctor's.

And we didn't see it in the TV Movie either. It'd mysteriously disappeared beforehand...

[Vader]

As much as i love the new master and the fact that theyve brought him back, i do think that theyve made a real problem in how they're going to explain just how he did survive after the film and also where his tardis is.

Anyone else think that the next ep will be centred on the master and hardly have any doctor in it? Seems that way to me from what ive heard and seen in the clips.

[Brainbox]

Anyone else think that the next ep will be centred on the master and hardly have any doctor in it? Seems that way to me from what ive heard and seen in the clips.

Yeah, probably. Obviously, they'll have to document the Doctor's escape from the End of the Universe, and apparantly he gets captured by the Master, but they really need to explain the Master's overall grand scheme, his escape from the Eye of Harmony/survival of the Time War, and exactly who the Toclafane are.

[Plural]

but they really need to explain the Master's overall grand scheme, his escape from the Eye of Harmony/survival of the Time War, and exactly who the Toclafane are.

They might just retcon the whole eye of harmony thing.

Also in the series I've never heard anything about the Toclafane, have they actually been mentioned in the series or have you just found out from wikipedia. (Thats the only place I've heard of them)

Off topic the first three episodes are on sale on DVD now should I buy them for

Edited June 21, 2007 by Plural

[Brainbox]

They might just retcon the whole eye of harmony thing.

Especially as a lot of the newer/younger viewers may not have seen the TV Movie. Or, in fact, know who the Master actually is. So, they'll probably have to explain that as well.

Also in the series I've never heard anything about the Toclafane, have they actually been mentioned in the series or have you just found out from wikipedia. (Thats the only place I've heard of them)

They've not been mentioned in the series, no. They were mentioned in the Radio Times series breakdown/preview that was included the week the series started. They were mentioned by name, but nothing else. We've no idea who they are. That means it'll be big or surprising.

[JINZONINGEN73]

As much as i love the new master and the fact that theyve brought him back, i do think that theyve made a real problem in how they're going to explain just how he did survive after the film and also where his tardis is.

And his ability to regenerate a 13th time.

Anyone else think that the next ep will be centred on the master and hardly have any doctor in it? Seems that way to me from what ive heard and seen in the clips.

I hope The Doctor doesn't just pop up in the last 60 seconds of the show to foil his plans, do some small, clever thing, then have the credits roll.

[Vader]

And his ability to regenerate a 13th time.

I hope The Doctor doesn't just pop up in the last 60 seconds of the show to foil his plans, do some small, clever thing, then have the credits roll.

Yeah thats a real problem that they are going to have to explain.

I believe theirs still 2 eps left, so im expecting the next one to be all about the master, and then the next to be a battle between the master and doctor.

[Eothein]

This has been a great series so far, Blink for me was genuinely terrifying I'm looking forward to tonights episode. The Master is being portrayed in what I feel to be a rather brillaint way, with it being similair to Tennant's off the wall type comments but mixed in with lots of pure evil and ruthlessnes. To me that's what I always imagined him to be like if he ever got invovled in the new series.

Although I wonder if Torchwood are going to have any invovlment with The Master, maybe trying to stop him or something along those lines since it would be a tad silly if they didn't have at least a tiny idea that he was also a Time Lord and plague to the universe.

[hewkii9]

My theories-

The Master-The Eye of Harmony is a black hole, right? And one black hole theory is that they scramble and shoot outthe material in them to a different place. This would explain how the Master got to the end of the Universe, by staying inside the black hole. It might also scramble his DNA into a new Time Lord body, giving him a whole new set of regenerations.

The Doctor's return to the 21th century-We know that Captain Jack brought his severed Doctor hand with him, right? So why couldn't he have brought his TARDIS coral? Jack was protected while outside the TARDIS by his immortality, and the hand was in a protective jar. But the coral would have been aged- enough to turn it into a functioning TARDIS, which the Doctor'll use to return to the past. Most likely then that one will be taken by the Master for escape.

[Brainbox]

And his ability to regenerate a 13th time.

Perhaps his acquisition of a new body simply gave him a new regenerative cycle. But then, of course, they'd need to explain that.

I believe theirs still 2 eps left, so im expecting the next one to be all about the master, and then the next to be a battle between the master and doctor.

There is supposed to be a big battle at the end, or so I've heard.

Master is being portrayed in what I feel to be a rather brillaint way, with it being similair to Tennant's off the wall type comments but mixed in with lots of pure evil and ruthlessnes.

As he should be. It also harkens back to the Delgado Master. Evil, but suave and sophisticated and harbouring a begrudging respect for the Doctor.

[The Kid]

Woo, very cool. I thought they explained a lot of things very well. But seeing as my volume's messed up on my TV, and my gran was wittering some of the way through (:-P), what was the whole thing with Saxon using Toclafane as a name for the orbs? (i.e. what are the REAL Toclafane?)

TK

[UltraPrime]

The Doctor said the Toclofane were a made-up name, like a Galifreyan nursery ryhme.

So either the Master just chose that name from his memories, or they weren't made up after all...

[Izzy]

WOW!!! Just saw the lastest episode... *y* brilliant make-up job to make the Doctor looks so creepy and old.

I hate it how they keep "to be continued-ing" Garrrr! I don't want to wait another whole week. >:-(

Any ideas what Martha is running off to do?

[UltraPrime]

Any ideas what Martha is running off to do?

Save the world ;)

[Izzy]

Save the world ;)

Oh right! :-/ Should have thought of that.

Ha-Ha... care to elaborate? I have no ideas where she was going?

Surely staying on the ship with the tardis would be a better idea? Who or what is down there that can help?

[UltraPrime]

Oh right! :-/ Should have thought of that.

Ha-Ha... care to elaborate? I have no ideas where she was going?

Surely staying on the ship with the tardis would be a better idea? Who or what is down there that can help?

No idea really, but I'm hoping UNIT will be involved somehow. How great would it be to see the Brig reappear?

[Brainbox]

I thought they explained a lot of things very well.

Yeah, I told you the Time Lords resurrected The Master to fight in the Time War.

Save the world ;)

Yeah, I would've said that.

Surely staying on the ship with the tardis would be a better idea? Who or what is down there that can help?

Probably not. The TARDIS is now a Paradox Machine, the USS Valiant has been commandeered by The Master, and the Doctor is practically powerless. As for what's down there: the entire human race.

How great would it be to see the Brig reappear?

Does that question really require an answer?

So, my thoughts. It's really hotting up to be a monster series finale. The Master is completely bonkers, but still kind of suave and funny at the same time. And it was good to have the Torchwood team explained away. The USS Valiant was clearly a nod to 'Captain Scarlet,' and we get to see Gallifrey for the first time in the new series. I think the oldish Time Lord was supposed to be Lord High President Borusa, but I'm not sure. It's certainly possible. We still don't really know who the Toclafane are, other than a Gallifreyan story, and we don't know what a paradox machine is. It's probably dangerous. Playing around with time is never sensible. Perhaps it creates possible alternate futures, which shouldn't/can't/won't happen... but now will. And everything ties together! And I was right about them using Jack's Vortex Manipulator.

And I've just remembered about The Master eating Jelly Babies. A long time favourite of the Doctor's, especially his Fourth incarnation. And 'the Teletubbies' isn't the first childrens TV programme The Master's enjoyed. Back in the Pertwee era, he pretended to whistle along to 'the Clangers.' Oh, I love in-jokes and references.

Oh, one week cannot pass quickly enough.

"What this country really needs, right now... is a Doctor."

Edited June 24, 2007 by Brainbox

[UltraPrime]

Is it USS Valiant? I would have thought HMS. Interesting thought about Paradox Machine. That means the 'Toclafane' could be anything, even Daleks. I doubt it, but you know what I mean.

[Plural]

And I was right about them using Jack's Vortex Manipulator.

Don't take all the credit X-D :-D

The only way i can imagine him getting back is if he fixes Jacks watch with the sonic screwdriver and uses that.

Things are really hotting up now and can't wait for next weeks finale. I really want to know who the Toclafane are.

Did anyone see that bearded bloke in the trailer who was running about with Martha. Wonder who he is.

Whatever happens its been a great series.