herbert Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) New to Technics, mostly building city, friends, superhero, creator sets with my elementary aged son and daughters during spare time, nights, etc. Looking at buying two to three technic truck sets. Not interested in massive sets due to time constraints and not really interested in motorized functions, nor buying for parts. Most important is a fun build, sets where everyone can learn new and interesting techniques. Nice, but not critical, is play value. Looking at these sets: 8285 or 42070 tow trucks, 9398 or 41999 4X4s, 5571 or 42078 trucks. Please help recommend top 2, top 3 sets to buy. Thanks! Edited October 4, 2018 by herbert Quote
Jurss Posted October 5, 2018 Posted October 5, 2018 Those all are in fact massive (Anthem could be the smallest). Then why not to get Arocs? Almost all, except Anthem, will be pretty expensive. Quote
Yevhen Posted October 5, 2018 Posted October 5, 2018 7 hours ago, herbert said: New to Technics, mostly building city, friends, superhero, creator sets with my elementary aged son and daughters during spare time, nights, etc. Looking at buying two to three technic truck sets. Not interested in massive sets due to time constraints and not really interested in motorized functions, nor buying for parts. Most important is a fun build, sets where everyone can learn new and interesting techniques. Nice, but not critical, is play value. Looking at these sets: 8285 or 42070 tow trucks, 9398 or 41999 4X4s, 5571 or 42078 trucks. Please help recommend top 2, top 3 sets to buy. Thanks! 42043 is the best truck ever! And its B model is very fan to build and play as well! 42078 is good but unfortunately it doesn't have a gearbox and motor. Its B model is great though. And it costs twice cheaper than 42043. Quote
WvG_853 Posted October 5, 2018 Posted October 5, 2018 You will have difficulty finding 8285 and 41999 for decent prices, I suggest as well 42043 and 42078. If you are new to Technic building, a helicopter should not miss from your list ... Quote
herbert Posted October 5, 2018 Posted October 5, 2018 Thanks for the ideas and alternatives. Yes some of the older sets are expensive, but I was planning to limit myself and not buy too much...? Quote
bitbamboo Posted October 5, 2018 Posted October 5, 2018 If you plan to get just a few, I would suggest to have a look to rebrickable.com, mocpages and this forum for alternatives. In that sense the green tractor 42054 is a great choice, althought it is a different subject. The most city-style truck is Mack 42078, and the B-model is pure and glorius garbage (truck) I haven't see a C model for a flatbed truck but I guess that it could be done to load and carry around other vehicles. 3 hours ago, herbert said: Thanks for the ideas and alternatives. Yes some of the older sets are expensive, but I was planning to limit myself and not buy too much...? Quote
Vectormatic Posted July 15, 2019 Posted July 15, 2019 Question: I already have the Chiron, and really enjoyed building it (it felt like a whole new level compared to previous technic cars), should i bother with hunting down 42056? (options are either used for ~€200 or new for €300) On the one hand, i really enjoyed the Chiron, but i do realise the Porsche is an inferior design, with less complexity and parts, so the build will be over quicker. Also, im kind of kicking myself for not picking it up when it was ~€220, €300 is what i paid for the Chiron, and if i go used, ill have to first dissassemble it, and miss out on the numbered bags, meaning ill have to do more sorting/hunting for parts while rebuilding. On the other hand, the Chiron is an awesome display piece, it dwarfs all my other cars (including the 911 RSR), and i imagine the GT3RS would make a very nice companion for the Chiron. Would going straight for the pimp my porsche version make it an interesting enough build to bother with considering ive already done the Chiron (in standard out of the box form)? Quote
ian74 Posted November 10, 2019 Posted November 10, 2019 I’d like to bring this back up to the top. Hi! New technic fan, I’m just getting into building and want some set recommendations. I build the heavy duty forklift 42079, and now eagerly looking for something new. After looking through the last few years sets, the construction theme seems to be most interesting. The problem is the coolest construction sets that are retired seem to sell for the highest dollars (looking at you 42009, 42055). What would be some of the “hidden gems?” By that I mean cool sets (retired) that are still selling near retail, or often overlooked? I see the Claas Xerion can still be found new for close to the original price so that’s on my list. Will the price will drop on 42082 anytime soon? Im also waiting to see what the 2020 mobile crane will be like. Another buyer question, does everyone buy through Bricklink? How are the shipping prices, since it’s not really listed up front? eBay seems to have some ok deals too, is that another good route to buy? all advice welcome and appreciated! Quote
WvG_853 Posted November 10, 2019 Posted November 10, 2019 On 7/15/2019 at 10:20 AM, vectormatic said: Would going straight for the pimp my porsche version make it an interesting enough build to bother with considering ive already done the Chiron (in standard out of the box form)? Go straight for the Pimp my Porsche version. Buy it now, logically the price will only rise in the future. It is a classic and an excellent display piece + you will not be disappointed by the building process. Quote
ian74 Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 On 11/9/2019 at 9:03 PM, ian74 said: I’d like to bring this back up to the top. Hi! New technic fan, I’m just getting into building and want some set recommendations. I build the heavy duty forklift 42079, and now eagerly looking for something new. After looking through the last few years sets, the construction theme seems to be most interesting. The problem is the coolest construction sets that are retired seem to sell for the highest dollars (looking at you 42009, 42055). What would be some of the “hidden gems?” By that I mean cool sets (retired) that are still selling near retail, or often overlooked? I see the Claas Xerion can still be found new for close to the original price so that’s on my list. Will the price will drop on 42082 anytime soon? Im also waiting to see what the 2020 mobile crane will be like. Another buyer question, does everyone buy through Bricklink? How are the shipping prices, since it’s not really listed up front? eBay seems to have some ok deals too, is that another good route to buy? all advice welcome and appreciated! Anyone? Quote
AFOoLish Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 Bricklink is very good if you know what you want and are prepared to shop around (wait) for the best prices. I use a wanted list to highlight parts I need for a particular project. I would start with either 42065 or 42090 and then move onto the 42075 - 42093 - 42075 and end on the 42078. The Mack is proving to be a very useful collection of parts for building alternatives. Consult Rebrickable to find these alternative builds and motorization. Quote
Maaboo the Witch Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 @ian74 - Check out some of the 42079's stablemates. 42080 is a great intro to the pneumatic system (with recently brand new parts - bonus!) and 42081 is a cool concept build with little complexity, so it'll warm you up on the larger stuff. Seeing as you're new I wouldn't try tackling 42082 yet; buy it now maybe, but train up before building it! Quote
ian74 Posted November 13, 2019 Posted November 13, 2019 5 hours ago, AFOoLish said: Bricklink is very good if you know what you want and are prepared to shop around (wait) for the best prices. I use a wanted list to highlight parts I need for a particular project. I would start with either 42065 or 42090 and then move onto the 42075 - 42093 - 42075 and end on the 42078. The Mack is proving to be a very useful collection of parts for building alternatives. Consult Rebrickable to find these alternative builds and motorization. 4 hours ago, Maaboo35 said: @ian74 - Check out some of the 42079's stablemates. 42080 is a great intro to the pneumatic system (with recently brand new parts - bonus!) and 42081 is a cool concept build with little complexity, so it'll warm you up on the larger stuff. Seeing as you're new I wouldn't try tackling 42082 yet; buy it now maybe, but train up before building it! Thanks for the suggestions. Will definitely check out those sets. Appreciate the advice! Quote
letsbuild54 Posted November 15, 2019 Posted November 15, 2019 On 11/9/2019 at 8:03 PM, ian74 said: What would be some of the “hidden gems?” By that I mean cool sets (retired) that are still selling near retail, or often overlooked? I see the Claas Xerion can still be found new for close to the original price so that’s on my list. eBay seems to have some ok deals too, is that another good route to buy? Take a look at 9396. I like it because you can see the driving rings and gears from the top engaging as you select different functions. It's makes seeing and learning what is going on easier than on some of the newer sets. It also shows you how to make a mechicanism that only engages if rotated in one direction but not the other. It was pretty cheap on eBay 6 months ago. I also like 42054, which is also on your list. When deciding between sets, look to see if people have shared C models on here and on rebrickable. Then you will get multiple building experiences from the same pile of bricks. I have purchased several sets off eBay and have never had a problem. Look for sellers with good feedback ratings, read the descriptions carefully, and understand the eBay buyer protection policy and you should be fine. Quote
Niedzwiedzmin Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) Hello everyone! First of all as new person here I want to say big Hello to all of you! I would like to start collecting Lego Technic heavy equipment like excavators (mostly), mining equipment or mobile cranes. In the future I would like to start building my own creations like heavy excavators or maybe mobile cranes with lineage system. I really like all these gears/pumps/power transmissions/leverages working. Seeing working pneumatics in Lego machines is what makes me smile. I would like to ask you for an advice which set is worth buying and most useful for future builds (MOCs). I have been reading a little and so far as I understand Power Function is going to be replaced with Powered Up and these two are not quite compatible. I would like to start buying sets that are going to work in next years and I would be able to mix stuff from many sets so they work properly. As I am not an expert... Is it even worth to buy at this point sets with Power Function mechanisms? Or should I stick to Powered Up sets only? Will I be able in future to compile mechanisms/engines/controls from both systems into one machine? And control it with eg. bluetooth device only? I am little confused here I must say. Would be glad for some help on this. I was thinking about LEGO 42100 as first set as it includes Powered Up systems and many, many parts, but I am not sure if it's best choice as of now. I am so confused with different systems of Radio Control and Lego engine systems... Thank you in advance for your help! Edited May 30, 2020 by Niedzwiedzmin Quote
CrankyCraig Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Niedzwiedzmin said: As I am not an expert... Is it even worth to buy at this point sets with Power Function mechanisms? Or should I stick to Powered Up sets only? Will I be able in future to compile mechanisms/engines/controls from both systems into one machine? And control it with eg. bluetooth device only? I am little confused here I must say. Would be glad for some help on this. I was thinking about LEGO 42100 as first set as it includes Powered Up systems and many, many parts, but I am not sure if it's best choice as of now. I am so confused with different systems of Radio Control and Lego engine systems... Hello and welcome! Powered up motors are similar size and power to power functions, but allow multiple motors to be controlled simultaneously through the app, along with proportional controls and some extra features, such as tilt sensor. These are separate systems from Power Functions and, as it currently stands, can't be mixed. Power functions are still very relevant, and will be for years to come. They don't require programming to work (they're very simple to work with), offer similar power, and feature in a huge amount of great sets from past years. The consensus seems to be that power functions still have the most diverse application at the moment, until the Powered Up app improves and it becomes easier to customise/program - though how it'll develop exactly remains to be seen. This means that while 42100 is a truly impressive set and a good source of Powered Up Motors, it perhaps isn't as great for MOCS right now as some of the alternative options available to you. I don't know how you feel about buying used, or how the prices in Poland compare, but here in the UK you could pick up 3 former flagship sets for the price of 42100, which would give you more parts and more options for MOCS. For example, 42030 for motors/RC, 42043 for pneumatics and 42082 for pieces. Could be worth considering. Quote
Niedzwiedzmin Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 41 minutes ago, CrankyCraig said: Hello and welcome! Powered up motors are similar size and power to power functions, but allow multiple motors to be controlled simultaneously through the app, along with proportional controls and some extra features, such as tilt sensor. These are separate systems from Power Functions and, as it currently stands, can't be mixed. Power functions are still very relevant, and will be for years to come. They don't require programming to work (they're very simple to work with), offer similar power, and feature in a huge amount of great sets from past years. The consensus seems to be that power functions still have the most diverse application at the moment, until the Powered Up app improves and it becomes easier to customise/program - though how it'll develop exactly remains to be seen. This means that while 42100 is a truly impressive set and a good source of Powered Up Motors, it perhaps isn't as great for MOCS right now as some of the alternative options available to you. I don't know how you feel about buying used, or how the prices in Poland compare, but here in the UK you could pick up 3 former flagship sets for the price of 42100, which would give you more parts and more options for MOCS. For example, 42030 for motors/RC, 42043 for pneumatics and 42082 for pieces. Could be worth considering. Hello, Thank you for explaining. As far as I understand Powered Up is going to be developed now and should improve over time? Unfortunately even used mentioned sets can cost around 55-65% of price of a new 42100, and it is just for one set. New ones (old) cost almost same or even more (eg. 423043). Checked, was surprised. In such case is it good to start with newly implemented engines and to count they will be more user friendly and compatible for MOCs? Or maybe to wait for something new this year? I am however not sure how often such sets are being released. Thank you again! Quote
allanp Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, Niedzwiedzmin said: Hello, Thank you for explaining. As far as I understand Powered Up is going to be developed now and should improve over time? Unfortunately even used mentioned sets can cost around 55-65% of price of a new 42100, and it is just for one set. New ones (old) cost almost same or even more (eg. 423043). Checked, was surprised. In such case is it good to start with newly implemented engines and to count they will be more user friendly and compatible for MOCs? Or maybe to wait for something new this year? I am however not sure how often such sets are being released. Thank you again! Welcome to Eurobricks :) New sets are usually released in 2 waves every year, about 6 to10 smaller sets in January and then 3 or 4 bigger sets in June/July. Sometimes another individual set may be released at some other point in the year (like the land rover was released in October last year, do was 42100 but that's only because it was delayed from its usual summer slot if I recall correctly). Right now the PU system is very difficult to work with (as in not much fun) for creating MOCs. But we anticipate a twin rotor helicopter to be revealed very soon as part of the summer wave of sets and we think (but not sure) that it will have a motor and a basic battery box with buttons on it (no need for smart device), so you would be able to make motorised models that are not RC with that. You could also build RC sets with the new PU stuff so long as the electronics match up with 42100, 42099 or the top gear rally car, as you could just use the same profiles as those sets. But remember you have to have the same type of motors plugged into the same ports for it to work. Alternatively you could also try using a third party app which can be used to create custom control profiles for a MOC. I don't know if Lego is planning to release such an app or if they are only sticking to the code block programming stuff. On the other hand the outgoing system of PF will always work without any need for smart devices. They just work. So if you get those parts they will still be usable to you until they break, so I wouldn't say they are a wasted investment so long as you don't go crazy. If you like pneumatics I would say to get some second hand pneumatic sets, or pneumatic parts from bricklink or ebay. We don't know of any pneumatic sets that are coming this year unfortunately, and second hand sets don't usually get any cheaper with time. Quote
CrankyCraig Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, Niedzwiedzmin said: Hello, Thank you for explaining. As far as I understand Powered Up is going to be developed now and should improve over time? Unfortunately even used mentioned sets can cost around 55-65% of price of a new 42100, and it is just for one set. New ones (old) cost almost same or even more (eg. 423043). Checked, was surprised. In such case is it good to start with newly implemented engines and to count they will be more user friendly and compatible for MOCs? Or maybe to wait for something new this year? I am however not sure how often such sets are being released. Thank you again! Yeah, that's the expectation. The problem with Powered Up at the moment is that while they work brilliantly for the official releases and offer the potential of more function for MOCers, but it's difficult to extract that function for anything other than the official releases. They rely on a mobile app to make them work, and in the case of MOCs, each motor needs separate programming to make work as required, meaning you can't just plug it in end expect it to do exactly what you want. Some clever people have re-used one of the existing profiles for 42100, 42099 or 42109, for their MOCs, but this is another level of building complexity that may ultimately prove unsuitable to your design. The hope is that the process of getting them to work will become easier, either through development of the app or with the release of something (such as a controller) that simplifies the system, but if/when that will happen is uncertain. Any new retired set (meaning no longer in production) will almost certainly be much more expensive, but it's usually possible to find used/retired sets for reasonable money. Prices are high at the moment though, no doubt because many people at the moment are at home with less to do, so not a great time to be looking Quote
Niedzwiedzmin Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 12 hours ago, CrankyCraig said: Yeah, that's the expectation. The problem with Powered Up at the moment is that while they work brilliantly for the official releases and offer the potential of more function for MOCers, but it's difficult to extract that function for anything other than the official releases. They rely on a mobile app to make them work, and in the case of MOCs, each motor needs separate programming to make work as required, meaning you can't just plug it in end expect it to do exactly what you want. Some clever people have re-used one of the existing profiles for 42100, 42099 or 42109, for their MOCs, but this is another level of building complexity that may ultimately prove unsuitable to your design. The hope is that the process of getting them to work will become easier, either through development of the app or with the release of something (such as a controller) that simplifies the system, but if/when that will happen is uncertain. Any new retired set (meaning no longer in production) will almost certainly be much more expensive, but it's usually possible to find used/retired sets for reasonable money. Prices are high at the moment though, no doubt because many people at the moment are at home with less to do, so not a great time to be looking 12 hours ago, allanp said: Welcome to Eurobricks :) New sets are usually released in 2 waves every year, about 6 to10 smaller sets in January and then 3 or 4 bigger sets in June/July. Sometimes another individual set may be released at some other point in the year (like the land rover was released in October last year, do was 42100 but that's only because it was delayed from its usual summer slot if I recall correctly). Right now the PU system is very difficult to work with (as in not much fun) for creating MOCs. But we anticipate a twin rotor helicopter to be revealed very soon as part of the summer wave of sets and we think (but not sure) that it will have a motor and a basic battery box with buttons on it (no need for smart device), so you would be able to make motorised models that are not RC with that. You could also build RC sets with the new PU stuff so long as the electronics match up with 42100, 42099 or the top gear rally car, as you could just use the same profiles as those sets. But remember you have to have the same type of motors plugged into the same ports for it to work. Alternatively you could also try using a third party app which can be used to create custom control profiles for a MOC. I don't know if Lego is planning to release such an app or if they are only sticking to the code block programming stuff. On the other hand the outgoing system of PF will always work without any need for smart devices. They just work. So if you get those parts they will still be usable to you until they break, so I wouldn't say they are a wasted investment so long as you don't go crazy. If you like pneumatics I would say to get some second hand pneumatic sets, or pneumatic parts from bricklink or ebay. We don't know of any pneumatic sets that are coming this year unfortunately, and second hand sets don't usually get any cheaper with time. Is it possible to use older (Power Function) motors with new (Powered Up) control box/receiver? Or it is completely not compatible and I am trying to work miracles here? Sorry if the question is stupid but I am trying to figure out everything and it's not that easy to do so fast. Also, older ones can be controlled with IR remote controller or, if I am right, manual switches on the creation? I have an opportunity to buy Lego 8043, used, in hopefully good condition however I am unsure if I will be able to use motors/parts for something newer with already different Powered Up systems. Unfortunately other sets you mentioned are even more expensive then 42100, used ones with similar price. I think that making new system not intuitive for people making it almost impossible to use things without going into programming would be, well, a shot to the knee? I don't see a point of it, but it's just my opinion after xx hours of reading and it is probably wrong. :) I would go with newer technology in Lego for future-proofing, however, I am not a programming guy and probably won't become one. Guess I need to give more time to decide... Thank you all and if there is any more advice I can get I will appreciate it a lot! Thanks! Quote
syclone Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Niedzwiedzmin said: Is it possible to use older (Power Function) motors with new (Powered Up) control box/receiver? Or it is completely not compatible and I am trying to work miracles here? Sorry if the question is stupid but I am trying to figure out everything and it's not that easy to do so fast. Also, older ones can be controlled with IR remote controller or, if I am right, manual switches on the creation? I have an opportunity to buy Lego 8043, used, in hopefully good condition however I am unsure if I will be able to use motors/parts for something newer with already different Powered Up systems. Unfortunately other sets you mentioned are even more expensive then 42100, used ones with similar price. I think that making new system not intuitive for people making it almost impossible to use things without going into programming would be, well, a shot to the knee? I don't see a point of it, but it's just my opinion after xx hours of reading and it is probably wrong. :) I would go with newer technology in Lego for future-proofing, however, I am not a programming guy and probably won't become one. Guess I need to give more time to decide... Thank you all and if there is any more advice I can get I will appreciate it a lot! Thanks! As of right now, Power Functions and Powered Up are not compatible in any way whatsoever. Power Functions components can be used with "dumb" battery boxes&switches, the Infrared controllers made by Lego and included in sets or by 3rd party bluetooth controllers like BuWizz, Sbrick or even CaDa remotes. These 3rd party controllers offer better performance (BuWizz has a Ludicrous mode offering higher voltage within a safe limit for the motors) and proportional controls with customisable control setups for your needs. As far as I'm aware, Sbrick has a somewhat programmable version link. Overall if programming is not your kick and you want to spend less money, as of right now Power Functions is the way to go, however coming at cost of not being officially supported after this year. It also comes with the advantage of having been out there for 13 years, so there's a plethora of sets and MOCs to choose from and most problems that exist have known fixes. It also is much easier to work with as you don't require a smartphone and can just use the battery boxes and switches for manual models. 8043 is a great parts pack as well, Linear Actuators, geras, tracks, gearbox components, frames... even a bunch of panels to work with. Edited May 31, 2020 by syclone Quote
Willworkfortoys Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 I would like to MOC a minifig scale neocallic space rover. The rover would be big however (64 x 32 studs or so) and have 6 tires. I’d like it to be remote controlled and go forward/reverse and be able to turn. Which technic sets would help in this indeavor? I was looking at the 6x6 although I already have all the PF but theXL motor. Or I was looking at the Claas for the red rimmed wheels. Should I do PF, powered up, or something else? Quote
Niedzwiedzmin Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 After reading a lot again I found out that some BuWizz applications and SBrick(?) allow to program and control new Powered Up motors etc. :) I am not sure, but it would be amazing for compatibility and creating MOCs. I have made some research to older sets and new ones and I would like to know what would you buy on my place with your experience that I do not have. Please keep in mind I plan to make excavators/cranes and more motors/actuators the better. :) Sets available for me in more or less same price: 42100 (a lot of new motors, manual tracks) 42043 (old but same price: pneumatics, old Power Functions motor, interesting suspension) 42042 (old and little cheaper, not sure if useful motors/different parts for my purpose later) 8043 (old, only used available, read about some issues with early released model) 42053 + 8293 (this is interesting, even new costs 50% of 42100 or 42043, however not sure if useful in the future?) Not sure how much I am creepying out by too many information trying to choose the perfect set for me, but there is none and anyway I will have to buy couple of them in future to make my own machines. :) In such scenario, can I assume Power Functions and hydraulics will anyway be somehow usable? Thank you! Quote
CrankyCraig Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 3 hours ago, Niedzwiedzmin said: I have made some research to older sets and new ones and I would like to know what would you buy on my place with your experience that I do not have. Please keep in mind I plan to make excavators/cranes and more motors/actuators the better. :) There's only one of those sets worth the cost of 42100, and that's 42100. They're all great sets, but personally, I wouldn't spend the huge figures that some people ask for retired sets. In my experience, with patience, there's no need to. Having said that, my very unscientific analysis of used Technic prices in the UK (which in reality involves little more than trawling ebay) has led me to conclude prices have increased by more than 50% on average, so you may need quite a bit of patience before prices return to where they were a couple of months ago. You're timing isn't great, but if I were in your position, I'd forget all about Powered UP for the time being, and instead find a used & reasonably priced 8043/42030 to get the Power Functions (for 1/3 of the price of 42100) and spend the remainder on as many medium/large sets I could from the past 15 years just for parts, preferably in similar colours useful for future MOCs. Failing that, I'd buy a new copy of 42082, build it and the existing C-models, and then try to create my own. You don't need power functions to create a great model, and as you've identified, trying to find one set that has all of the parts you want for the purposes of MOC's is likely futile anyway. Best of luck however you decide to approach it. Quote
CrankyCraig Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 On 5/31/2020 at 4:23 PM, Niedzwiedzmin said: I have made some research to older sets and new ones and I would like to know what would you buy on my place with your experience that I do not have. I can see from other threads you're still agonising over which set to buy, so I thought I'd have a look at what was available to you in Poland. Unfortunately, I really can't find many good options for you. I know you're particularly taken with 42053, but while it's a great set, 120 Euro's for 42053 is far too much - that's around twice what Lego sold it for, and it's not much more than 1000 pieces. Have you considered 8110? Unless I'm mistaken, it works out roughly the same price as 42053 (140 Euros) once you add on some power functions, but it's nearly double the parts, comes with some power functions and pneumatics, and also has some really great parts besides (such as 9.5L hard shocks). It would be a great set to start you off. https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?S=8110-1#T=S&O={"iconly":0} Either that, or 42082. 4000 pieces, and a really well executed crane with basic power functions. https://www.amazon.de/LEGO-Geländegängiger-Kranwagen-42082-Bauspielzeug/dp/B0792RDN2Z/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?__mk_pl_PL=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&dchild=1&keywords=42082&qid=1591306040&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzMjdQRDYxRlZMRTEmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTAzNDM3MTgzMVVZVks5RDlRVk5YJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA3NDc5MDcyUUo1OExZQ1c3TVlTJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ== Whatever you buy it'll never be enough, so don't worry about which power system to adopt until you buy set No. 2 Quote
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