Ragnarök Now Redux - Day One

[Mencot]

Ok so I have like 3-4 votes on me no, thats Okay (not ok-ey). I can maybe still handle this and not be an useless day 1 lynch.

But what can I say, i have zero-two procent any suspision on anyone as usually I have on day 1.

There has been some good playing and participating by some of you in the last hours but then again the it has been from the best players in EB mafia so I can´t say anything yet about if it useful or fluff as you guys would call it.

So far jarni goes, as much you like me to vote for him... guess what I won´t i was annoyed of him twisting my words but I guess I twisted some of his words also.

What i meant by trowing the first stone was, I wont by part of trowing on Naemr... yet, I didn´t me Jarni when I said that.

I don´t have anything on but I would like to hear from those who haven´t said much all day (And I don´t mean that those would be scum but some could be)

[CMP]

I'd like to hear you more, actually. And it's probably in your best interest to do so. Nobody's going to unvote you while you quietly poke at the more silent einherjar. Address the votes against you. Defend yourself. Whether town, scum, or neutral, you're really not helping yourself by trying to shift eyes off of you.

[fhomess]

Dufa's made an interesting, more convincing point about Mist. While I agree with those points, I have a hard time voting for her, as I do tend to lead towards scum towards her past lives every time we meet, and I'm failing to see what makes her playing yle that much different than other times.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here about Mist's past lives. You tend to think she's scum so this time you're not voting for her because you feel the same way? Or is it the opposite?

I've searched through our Library and foumd scenarios where Wilhalm does fit the descriptions Helga and Dufa have given towards him. Unvote: Wilhalm Bloodaxe (WhiteFang). I'll still be looking out for him, though, as well as especially paying attention to Petr Half-Troll and Mist for Petr's post and Mist's behavior. I'm leaning towards Mist being our best bet right now, but I'd like to see her speak a little more so I can get a better sense of comparison between her past lives.

I'm not comfortable with this rapid unvote at all. Why are you unvoting at this point, when there is no pressure on Wilhalm as he's not the vote leader and it's very early, without casting your vote elsewhere.

Yeah, the Library didn't show Mist tends to be a "usual suspect" I'd have no hesitation voting for her.

You seem to have passively led the accusation on Mist. You state you have no hesitation voting for her, and yet, you still haven't voted. I'm surprised I'm the only one that considers this a red flag. Perhaps you're just waiting to see if the bandwagon picks up enough steam? Or maybe you're trying to bus very early? To be honest, I don't know what you're trying to accomplish with this, but it looks like you're trying to manipulate the rest of us.

Vote: Jarni Child-Sparer (Jamesn)

[Kristel]

How is it that I have not landed on any of the 'no poster' or 'low poster' lists? I was barely present and said nothing of value but yet no one noticed ... Am I invisible? I can honestly say that I have absolutely no clue whom to vote for. there are a few individuals here which I have rarely/never crossed path with before and I find it very difficult to assess their allegiance. I find Wilhalm and Sigrid to be the oddest but that's probably just because I'm not used to their styles. I feel like I'm speaking for the sake of speaking ... I honestly have nothing to say ... How embarrassing.

What the ... ?

I see you have kind of explained yourself. I still wanted to note it nevertheless as one of the weirdest things I've seen in this game of life. But then, my history with the game is not that extensive.

Yeah, the Library didn't show Mist tends to be a "usual suspect" I'd have no hesitation voting for her.

Do you mind clarifying whether you are hesitant or not hesitant to vote for Mist?

Why are you and Kolgrima suggesting that I needed to list every inactive player?

I don't appreciate you putting words in my mouth. I never said you had to list every single one. And I don't appreciate the subtle association between myself and Petr.

Focusing on the inactive is not the way to win this. Yes, it's important to get people talking and poke people out of their silence. There may even be one Scum who is lazy enough not to participate but the focus should be on people's behavior, not their post count. Or you and your Scum team can continue to try and distract us with the inactive players.

I agree with the first part of this, but let's not forget that you were the one who brought up the inactive players in the first place. I was just wondering why you left off the most inactive.

[TrumpetKing]

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here about Mist's past lives. You tend to think she's scum so this time you're not voting for her because you feel the same way? Or is it the opposite?

I'm not comfortable with this rapid unvote at all. Why are you unvoting at this point, when there is no pressure on Wilhalm as he's not the vote leader and it's very early, without casting your vote elsewhere.

I tend to think she's scum, yes, and she's been town every game I've seen her in to my memory, so I'm not quite sure if I want to risk voting for her.

Not quite getting the confusion you have towards the unvote. Why would I unvote with pressure towards him if I thought he was scummy? I didn't know how he playered in the past so I looked it up and decided that he's playing similarly to past games. As Helga has said, he's played similarly as town and scum, so I am going to watch out for him in the future, but I'm not sure if he's our strongest choice for a lynch today.

[Hinckley]

I don't appreciate you putting words in my mouth. I never said you had to list every single one. And I don't appreciate the subtle association between myself and Petr.

That's more defensive than I expected. Perhaps I have struck a chord by associating you two. I wasn't being subtle about it, either way. You two are both misrepresenting what I said.

I agree with the first part of this, but let's not forget that you were the one who brought up the inactive players in the first place. I was just wondering why you left off the most inactive.

I didn't bring up "inactive players". I brought up Baulf and Sigrid. You and Petr are the ones insisting on putting them in the category of inactive players and twisting it to my "list of inactive players" being incomplete.

But ever since you brought up inactive players, your focus has been on Dagstyrr. Why is your focus just on him and not the other inactive players? A quick search shows me that he hasn't even been "online" for over 24 hours. Choosing an inactive player and saying you're waiting for to hear from them seems like a safe place for a Servant of Loki to bide their time waiting to see which way the votes go.

[TrumpetKing]

Tumi, duh, I didn't realise I am in your bingo book. To add on, first day is quite unpredictable to be able to secure success in our day conviction, but that does not mean that we are unable to fend for ourselves to win this right. Just that we need to spend a little more efforts to find out what are the similar history that we can based on. I am not referring to the taboo metagaming thingy.

This sounds like more fluff to me, just rephrased wording of things that have already been said several times not only in this life but several before.

[Mencot]

As opposed to those who... Filler.

Sometimes, I like to lay it on thick. Depends on my mood. Sometimes the Valhallaest of Valhallans doesn't appear. Luckily, I have the time today to regale everyone with my delightfulness. Like the time I went to France and single-handedly laid waste to half the fields in Champagne. That taught them a lesson about settling in the north with foofy aplomb.

As you say, and I well know, you pretty much always suspect me day one. I'd say your record for day one voting for me is around 90%. It's pain, but I've gotten used to it, and I don't consider it your scum tell, just kind of like a duncey farm hand who bumps into the same door frame day after day, despite knowing entirely it's there, repeatedly doing the same thing despite the intense softness that develops in the noggin in the region being battered. I can't hold you responsible for that.

For what's being said, I'm on the fence about a few. My question to Naemr was based on suspicion on where he was leading with his questions... Undecided. He may have been trying to waste our time, thinking on day one that the way people act would relate to the last game, but he may have just spoke poorly.

Yeah, that's usually a sign.

I don't like this. There was little sense in what Naemer spoke, and then you backtrack that, and go with the group. Nothing much said here at all. Fluff.

This is the wrongest thing said all day. Unvoting is allowed. The day doesn't end with a majority vote. Voting early is very very important, especially so that we can turn things around if a mistake has been made. This waffly advice is very harmful to the town. Scum often like to seem like they are being safe to help the town, even though their advice is actually hurting the town.

J'accuse Mist! (something I learned in my time in Champagne.

Vote: Mist (Mencot)

I actually have found it the other way (but ofcourse you have played EB mafia more so I guess you know what you are talking about, right)... and no waiting till the end of the day but if voting immidiately when voting starts on day 1 always get accuesed, why did you vote first and stuff and that is why I don´t wanna hesitate my vote when I don´t have anything to go on

But I promise you I won´t leave my vote until the end of the day and I will not bandvagon anyone

At least we won't be doing the usual insult war devolving into childish standoff. Only because I'm going to leave your rude statement alone.

Interestingly, you agree with the farm hand dunce today. Vote: Mist (Mencot) As I pointed out early, you swooped in with a little summary after Naemr's nonsense idea. It was a clumsy summary and somewhat ramblingt. Not sure you were making a point or just trying to look like you were contributing. You got defensive when Jarni mentioned you as suspicious and shot back against him, yet said you had no suspicions when voting opened. There is plenty of time to unvote but I feel my vote is well placed with you.

There are some really smart players out there we haven't heard much from yet.

Maybe it didn´t make much sence, maybe I should had shut up but that´s me, I didn´t see the point in looking into the last game and that´s it. Guess it was filler but yea I think it was better than talking cow piss.

It appears as if Mist is a good suspect at this time. While I agree that Jarni's comparison of her tactics to those of a Paris (beautiful village, I'd loot it any time) Shawty was not perfect, her response seemed to be a little too defensive. She tries blame to Jarni twice, accusing him of mincing words. At the end, she seems flustered. She gets to the point where she says "I don’t want to waste time roleplaying, but heck, let’s go for it if it means you’ll leave me alone." Not long after this, she runs off and says "I don't want to be throwing stones at people" after tossing a few in Jarni's direction.

Perhaps I'm misinterpreting things, but I see it as being overkill for a single post that challenges what she’s saying. Based off the information I have, I’m going to Vote: Mist (Mencot).

Yea you did, but i guess I stated myself badly trying to help town.

But that said I always do bad on day 1, I am not that vocal and a bad writter.

I'm with Chlodochar, Mist was way to eager to attack Jarni's credibility as opposed to the validity of Jarni's accusations. I'm not so much on the idea that Mist was studying this Paris figure, so much as simply exhibiting the same behavior, i.e. attempting to appear agreeable and active. That said, his assault on his accuser in addition to his rapid back-pedaling as it concerns actually throwing a stone, gives me enough confidence to Vote: Mist (Mencot) for the time being.

Now Petr, must we continue these petty squabblings with such more important work to do?

This last vote is just bandvagon

[Kristel]

I didn't bring up "inactive players".

Well, actually you did. Unless I misunderstood the purpose of this last statement in the post quoted below?

You know, about half of us haven't said very much so far...

But ever since you brought up inactive players, your focus has been on Dagstyrr. Why is your focus just on him and not the other inactive players? A quick search shows me that he hasn't even been "online" for over 24 hours. Choosing an inactive player and saying you're waiting for to hear from them seems like a safe place for a Servant of Loki to bide their time waiting to see which way the votes go.

Notwitstanding our disagreement about who brought up the inactive players, my focus was never on on Dagstyrr to the exclusion of others. I've already stated that I don't think he's really a suspect:

I would like to hear from Dagstyrr. He's not really a suspect because I think it highly unlikely that a Servant of Loki would bring attention to themselves by not having posted yet more than a third into the day. But staying silent isn't going to help us find the Servants.

The only reason I raised him was because you looked to be concerned about inactive players, but then left off the most inactive. other than this, I'm pretty sure I haven't said anything about inactive players.

Also, where did I say that I was waiting for him to speak before I would do anything. Are you trying to put words in my mouth now?

That's more defensive than I expected. Perhaps I have struck a chord by associating you two. I wasn't being subtle about it, either way. You two are both misrepresenting what I said.

...

You and Petr are the ones insisting on putting them in the category of inactive players and twisting it to my "list of inactive players" being incomplete.

Button 1, button 2, button 3 .. got it. *Presses button 3 repeatedly.*

This sounds like more fluff to me, just rephrased wording of things that have already been said several times not only in this life but several before.

Exactly. For this, and the reasons I stated earlier:

Wilhalm is at the top of my list at this point. His first post of the day came off as a little forced to me, and then the one that got him on other people's radars:

I agree that this does little more than make him look active without adding anything useful. I thought it was interesting how Helga pointed out that that it's normal behaviour and we can't read anything from it yet.

Vote: Wilhalm Bloodaxe (WhiteFang)

[Hinckley]

I would like to hear from Dagstyrr. He's not really a suspect because I think it highly unlikely that a Servant of Loki would bring attention to themselves by not having posted yet more than a third into the day. But staying silent isn't going to help us find the Servants.

Sorry. I must've misunderstood your conclusion in this post. When leaving off a post with asking to hear from someone, it usually implies that you're holding your vote until you do hear. I do see now that you've said Dagstyr is not really a suspect. How did you come to this conclusion with no posts to base it on?

Well, actually you did. Unless I misunderstood the purpose of this last statement in the post quoted below?

Two of my posts actually merged there. The post about half of us not participating much was posted after reviewing the thread further, not as a conclusion to my questions of Baulf and Sigrid.

[Rick]

Is there a reason you left Dagstyrr off your list. He hasn't said anything yet.

I would like to hear from Dagstyrr. He's not really a suspect because I think it highly unlikely that a Servant of Loki would bring attention to themselves by not having posted yet more than a third into the day. But staying silent isn't going to help us find the Servants.

Notwitstanding our disagreement about who brought up the inactive players, my focus was never on on Dagstyrr to the exclusion of others. I've already stated that I don't think he's really a suspect:

It does sound like you're singling out Dragstyrr and I'm not even sure what you're trying to suggest. Do you think Helga is trying to distract attention away from him, someone you think is unlikely to be a Servant of Loki?

I hate asking this since you tend to be town when I do, but do you have anything actually specific about Snotra and Naemr, or are you just going to agree with everybody like usual?

It's annoying Baulf's only reason seems to be gut feeling, but I don't think he's agreeing with anyone when he's talking about Snotra. I too would like him to try and substantiate his instincts though.

I have nothing to hide and nothing to fear, I drew attention to me in he hopes that people would realize that the few lists of low posters made so far were very selective.

You're rambling a lot and that's making you sound nervous. Did your WIFOM game backfire?

I apologize for limited participation, the Red-Shirt clan hosted Thanksgiving today and has been very busy. I promise to be much more invested tomorrow and get a vote in. From what I've followed, though, I haven't seen much other than a few posts that have stuck out that have already been talked about.

... and your opinion on those posts that have already been talked about is?

Tumi, duh, I didn't realise I am in your bingo book. To add on, first day is quite unpredictable to be able to secure success in our day conviction, but that does not mean that we are unable to fend for ourselves to win this right. Just that we need to spend a little more efforts to find out what are the similar history that we can based on. I am not referring to the taboo metagaming thingy.

Can you explain why you were so quick to agree with Naemr and thought his words made "sense"? People like you and Redshirt are going to be real liabilities if you don't give us your thoughts on the matters at hand.

Ok so I have like 3-4 votes on me no, thats Okay (not ok-ey). I can maybe still handle this and not be an useless day 1 lynch.

But what can I say, i have zero-two procent any suspision on anyone as usually I have on day 1.

There has been some good playing and participating by some of you in the last hours but then again the it has been from the best players in EB mafia so I can´t say anything yet about if it useful or fluff as you guys would call it.

So far jarni goes, as much you like me to vote for him... guess what I won´t i was annoyed of him twisting my words but I guess I twisted some of his words also.

What i meant by trowing the first stone was, I wont by part of trowing on Naemr... yet, I didn´t me Jarni when I said that.

I don´t have anything on but I would like to hear from those who haven´t said much all day (And I don´t mean that those would be scum but some could be)

Everything you've said in response to accusations seems like an attempt to get people off your back. You suggest you didn't mean to imply the words of Naemr were "wise", but you choose classify them as the "wisest". It's an odd choice of words if you didn't think they was some wisdom in them in the first place, as opposed to just being less nonsensical than talk about ox urine and mead. You called out Jarni on twisting your words only to eventually back off on that accusation again. You tried to shift the focus back to ox urine and mead and most recently, you're trying to shift our attention to the quiet vikings.

Vote: Mist (Mencot)

[Bob]

I'm not really sure who to vote for. I'd rather not jump on the bandwagon and vote for Mist, simply because I don't see much merit in it. I'm still a bit iffy about my previous suspects.

I'd rather cast out a feeler vote, just to see what happens.

Vote: Snotra Carrotface / Scubacarrot

Let's see how she reacts to this.

[Scubacarrot]

"Uhm. Okay. So. Let me get this straight. So you're voting for me, because you'd like to see how I'd react to a vote, but you're saying that you're doing that, essentially muting any genuine reaction you would get from voting for someone out of the blue like you do, without reasoning. A reaction I personally think would not really tell you much coming from most people, as you're not providing any sort of reasoning behind your vote. You could literally have voted for everyone with the same words. I'm not terribly impressed."

[def]

I'm not really sure who to vote for. I'd rather not jump on the bandwagon and vote for Mist, simply because I don't see much merit in it. I'm still a bit iffy about my previous suspects.

What part is without merit? All of it? Waffly?

I actually have found it the other way (but ofcourse you have played EB mafia more so I guess you know what you are talking about, right)... and no waiting till the end of the day but if voting immidiately when voting starts on day 1 always get accuesed, why did you vote first and stuff and that is why I don´t wanna hesitate my vote when I don´t have anything to go on

But I promise you I won´t leave my vote until the end of the day and I will not bandvagon anyone

I have no clue what this quote is saying. I don't think voting immediately when voting starts on day 1 always gets accused. It can, but usually by lousy players. And hopefully there are enough veteran players here to steer the ship right if the newbies panic and attack early voters (none of whom are in any danger right now). This quote makes, almost no sense, in consideration of what came before it from all sides.

[Bob]

What part is without merit? All of it? Waffly?

I don't know, it just seems like some people are jumping into a bandwagon for the sake of voting. She hasn't really pinged me too much.

"Uhm. Okay. So. Let me get this straight. So you're voting for me, because you'd like to see how I'd react to a vote, but you're saying that you're doing that, essentially muting any genuine reaction you would get from voting for someone out of the blue like you do, without reasoning. A reaction I personally think would not really tell you much coming from most people, as you're not providing any sort of reasoning behind your vote. You could literally have voted for everyone with the same words. I'm not terribly impressed."

Ah, look who came running shortly after I cast my vote. You've still told me everything I wanted to know even though you tried to hide your initial reaction.

[Scubacarrot]

Ah, look who came running shortly after I cast my vote. You've still told me everything I wanted to know even though you tried to hide your initial reaction.

"What does that mean?"

[Bob]

"What does that mean?"

The fact that you've rushed in here less than twenty minutes after I voted for you is a bit suspicious, however I'm willing to chalk that up to a coincidence.

[Scubacarrot]

"...Okay?"

[Kristel]

Sorry. I must've misunderstood your conclusion in this post. When leaving off a post with asking to hear from someone, it usually implies that you're holding your vote until you do hear. I do see now that you've said Dagstyr is not really a suspect. How did you come to this conclusion with no posts to base it on?

All I am asking is for Dagstyrr to contribute (see the third sentence below). The reason I don't think he is a Servant of Loki is set out in the second sentence below.

I would like to hear from Dagstyrr. He's not really a suspect because I think it highly unlikely that a Servant of Loki would bring attention to themselves by not having posted yet more than a third into the day. But staying silent isn't going to help us find the Servants.

Note the use of the phrase "highly unlikely". Nothing is ruled out until it is confirmed.

It does sound like you're singling out Dragstyrr and I'm not even sure what you're trying to suggest. Do you think Helga is trying to distract attention away from him, someone you think is unlikely to be a Servant of Loki?

Just wanting to understand Helga's reasons for her statements, that's all.

I've got to learn to use more words. Here's my train of thought:

Helga specifically mentioned Baulf and Sigrid, who had both barely said anything to date.

But there was another person - Dagstyrr - who had said nothing at all, who was not mentioned.

At this point I wondered why Helga had mentioned Baulf and Sigrid, but not Dagstyrr.

Helga's post looked like a list to me (see below).

So, I asked Helga if there was a reason she left Dagstyrr off the list.

Baulf, do you have anything to say this time around? Or are you going to be typically absent?

Sigrid, have anything else to say, hopefully not in third person?

You know, about half of us haven't said very much so far...

I had read it as: Baulf doesn't say much, Sigrid doesn't say much, and a bunch of others haven't said much. Helga has since suggested that the last statement in the above quote was not a follow on from the statements directed at Baulf and Sigrid:

Two of my posts actually merged there. The post about half of us not participating much was posted after reviewing the thread further, not as a conclusion to my questions of Baulf and Sigrid.

[MagPiesRUs]

Vote Count

Mist (Mencot): 5 votes (def, Hinckley, Captain Genaro, Waterbrick Down, Rick)

Naemr Sledgehammer (Captain Nemo): 1 vote (Scubacarrot)

Jarni Child-Sparer (jamesn): 1 vote (fhomess)

Wilhalm Bloodaxe (WhiteFang): 1 vote (Kristel)

Snotra Carrotface (Scubacarrot): 1 vote (Bob)

With 22 players, 12 votes are required to lynch. 33 hours remain in the day.

[Darkdragon]

What a long few days, I've been able to keep up with most of the conversation though unable to say anything myself until now. Now I'm looking at the voting pattern so far (not much to go on, as we know day one is), and it sorta feels like a bandwagon forming already. I'm not saying Mist is innocent or not, I haven't decided for myself yet, but just thought I'd mention my current observation though it isn't much. Honestly I can't really say anyone has particularly "pinged" me so far. Still 32ish hours left as I write this, and I'm still trying to figure out who might be a Servant of Loki, but I'm confident that at least one will slip up soon.

[jimmynick]

You state you have no hesitation voting for her, and yet, you still haven't voted.

Do you mind clarifying whether you are hesitant or not hesitant to vote for Mist?

I don't know if you've noticed (I certainly have) but I've been making lots of rune-transcription errors today. What I meant to say (and take it with a pinch of salt if you like) was:

"Yeah, IF the Library didn't show Mist to be a 'usual suspect' I'd have no hesitation voting for her"

Naemr and Mist always seem to be the "usual suspects" very early on in the game, and that's why, despite my suspicions, I have held off from voting.

And I don't appreciate the subtle association between myself and Petr.

Interestingly enough, I made a note in my little rune-book that you and Petr converge on the same ideas. Are you in cahoots? Feeling paranoid and trying to bus Petr?

To clarify: I made a note in my rune-book before Helga brought it up and Kolgrima reacted indignantly.

[Captain Nemo]

Well I'm not too sure about my vote today; nor should anyone really be, it is day one after all. However I am weird-ed out by Petr. Reading through the converstations, his "Why are you not looking at me--I'm not suspicious--I've got nothing to add" statement was just...weird. Strange really, and it stood out. There are, unfortunatley, a chunk of the vikings here not saying much or anything, but I don't know why he would point to himself to say he's here--so don't forget about me--but has nothing to add. Yeah it's day one, there's not really much to add in on, however outing himself seemed really well out there.

I don't have much suspiciouns yet, but Petr stood out to me, and not in a good way. So for now I'll vote for him.

Vote: Petr Half-Troll (Piratedave84)

[Fugazi]

Exactly. For this, and the reasons I stated earlier:

Vote: Wilhalm Bloodaxe (WhiteFang)

The reasons you quote are that Wilhalm is behaving just like in previous lives according to Tumi, and that Helga thinks there's not much one can read from that. I'm not sure how this adds up to Wilhalm being suspicious -- perhaps is it that you don't trust Helga and she happens to disagree with your suspicions about Wilhalm and Dagstyrr? Anyway, it looks to me like you're going for the easy targets that aren't around to defend themselves or won't defend themselves properly. This is something a Servant of Loki is more likely to do on Day One than getting in trouble trying to drown a fierce warrior. I know it's not much to go on, but such are the small things Day One votes are made of.

Vote: Kolgrima the Deep-Minded (Kristel)

[Mencot]

Vote Count

Mist (Mencot): 5 votes (def, Hinckley, Captain Genaro, Waterbrick Down, Rick)

Naemr Sledgehammer (Captain Nemo): 1 vote (Scubacarrot)

Jarni Child-Sparer (jamesn): 1 vote (fhomess)

Wilhalm Bloodaxe (WhiteFang): 1 vote (Kristel)

Snotra Carrotface (Scubacarrot): 1 vote (Bob)

With 22 players, 12 votes are required to lynch. 33 hours remain in the day.

Looking at the voting post so far the once voting for me are veteran players, so I guess they know what they are doing... Not

Helga (hinckley) you said my comment back then was vague but what do you do and some of the others who have vote for me do... Blow and hang up on some of my words.

Didn´t know that the word wise is banned and out of use, especially said somehow wrong... Look at this wise wiser wisest and your voting for me isn´t wise, based on anything else then fluff.

But I am not hidding or trying to throw stones on others to get you of my back. If you have some more questions for me or suspicons of me bring them on, I havn´t got anything to hide, I am an einherjar, like you... or actually I am an Valkyrie who fake my death to get here an become an einherjar.. but you already knew that part.