Ragnarök Now Redux - Day One

[TrumpetKing]

Unfortunately, I'm taking too long with my analysis, and need to sleep, so I definitely won't get through all those who received votes today. However, I will focus on those who seem to be getting the most attention. I am going to analyze posts from Chocolatecar, Red-shirt, Sigmit or whatever her name is (she'll be easy) and if I have the time, Wilhalm. I do have some other priorities so my analysis will be later, but hopefully not too much later.

[Scubacarrot]

Unvote: Naemr Sledgehammer (Captain Nemo)

Vote: Sigrid (Sisco)

So. Good points were made, a lynch will probably make the next days easier, plus there is that chance of snagging an actual Servant of Loki. I mean, it can happen! My reasoning for Sigrid after the three having the most votes is that I think out of those three, Sigrid can be a quiet, dangerous sheep the entire game, and that is a risk I would not really want to take.

Of course, good Dufa could also make a decent case to push for one of these three to be lynched, with the votes being so close (what, four being the most right now?) because all three are innocent. It's a distinct possibility

[Hinckley]

Unvote: Naemr Sledgehammer (Captain Nemo)

Vote: Sigrid (Sisco)

So. Good points were made, a lynch will probably make the next days easier, plus there is that chance of snagging an actual Servant of Loki. I mean, it can happen! My reasoning for Sigrid after the three having the most votes is that I think out of those three, Sigrid can be a quiet, dangerous sheep the entire game, and that is a risk I would not really want to take.

Of course, good Dufa could also make a decent case to push for one of these three to be lynched, with the votes being so close (what, four being the most right now?) because all three are innocent. It's a distinct possibility

I'm confused. I have no idea who said that without quotation marks.

[Scubacarrot]

Yeah I got bored of them. It was always bound to happen that at some point I just wouldn't bother anymore.

[TrumpetKing]

Analysis of Chlodochar (Captain Genaro)

Curse Loki and his vile scum. No doubt a group of worthless viking imitators. Never fear worthy einherjar, the servants of Loki will be caught and brought to answer for their treachery against Wodanaz. Oh, that's right, you "vikings" call him Odin.

I see some dishes before me but no food. What kind of warrior goes to battle plays mafia games on an empty stomach? Come! Someone, bring me my meal!

Fluff

I can’t tell you about your heritage, but it sure isn’t my heritage. A true viking knows the best medicine for any wound is going out on a good raid. You know, the taste of blood on your lips, the smell of burning flesh, and the sound of some mortal wasting their last breath asking for mercy.

If you all would rather drink boiled piss, I guess that’s your business. Just let me know if anyone comes up with any real cures, like warm rams blood with the crushed bone of an ox. Now there’s medicine.

I can’t tell you about your heritage, but it sure isn’t my heritage. A true viking knows the best medicine for any wound is going out on a good raid. You know, the taste of blood on your lips, the smell of burning flesh, the sound of some mortal wasting their last breath begging for mercy.

If you all would rather drink boiled piss, I guess that’s your business. Just let me know if anyone comes up with any real cures, like warm rams blood with the crushed bone of an ox. Now there’s medicine for you.

Fluff

It appears as if Mist is a good suspect at this time. While I agree that Jarni's comparison of her tactics to those of a Paris (beautiful village, I'd loot it any time) Shawty was not perfect, her response seemed to be a little too defensive. She tries blame to Jarni twice, accusing him of mincing words. At the end, she seems flustered. She gets to the point where she says "I don’t want to waste time roleplaying, but heck, let’s go for it if it means you’ll leave me alone." Not long after this, she runs off and says "I don't want to be throwing stones at people" after tossing a few in Jarni's direction.

Perhaps I'm misinterpreting things, but I see it as being overkill for a single post that challenges what she’s saying. Based off the information I have, I’m going to Vote: Mist (Mencot).

Forced post, rehrasing everything that's been said.

I can understand you not wanting to vote for Mist, but your counter of voting for Snotra is really weak and confusing. You decide to vote for someone seemingly at random, claim to have learned everything, and then say that all you learned is that there might be a coincidence? Did I miss something? You don’t justify why you decided to target Snotra in the first place, don’t offer any opinion on the other debates, and haven’t shared what you learned about Snotra.

Makes a post trying to put some attention towards B-something (Bob), stating things he does every game, over something that was already discussed (I think).

Since there seems to be so much confusion, my name is Chlodochar. I remember all your Nordic names just fine and am really confused as to how you can’t remember the name of a true viking warrior .

I did not condemn anyone to death. I simply placed a vote which would not have condemned her without the support of 11 others. Additionally, I can unvote. Placing a vote early on in the voting process on the first day allows me to pressure someone into talking. My vote was not necessarily concrete nor was it condemning, it simply showed where my suspicion was and who I felt other people should be suspicious of. That said, if that was all I had to go on and there were no better suspects for the day, yes, I would still vote for her.

I understand that many of you feel that my vote was forced and was simply me jumping on a band wagon. At that time, Mist was the best suspect. Even ignoring the possible language barrier, her post was very defensive, far too defensive considering the post she was responding to. Naemr might have had a bad idea and not followed through on it, but I attribute this to a lack of experience. Nothing else he said makes me think scum. Petr made an incredibly dumb statement, and I would not mind him getting lynched. Nonetheless, I felt that Mist’s defensiveness was more telling than Petr’s stupidity.

I don’t seem to understand your statement. You don’t suspect someone because they appear to be a good suspect? If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck (appears to be a duck), then I’m going to work off the assumption that I’m dealing with a duck.

It's been a while since I've played mafia games, but is it normal for this many people to have votes for them on Day 1? I recall one or two prime suspects, one of which would be lynched with 2, maybe 3 outliers. Unless this is the new norm, I can’t help but think this is the scums’ plan. Get us to be divided, confused, and prevent us from learning anything from a Day 1 lynch or voting pattern. Granted 6 people need to vote, but even if they all go for Petr, we won’t get a conviction. Sure they won’t get a townie lynched but perhaps they feel that several days of confusion is worth a lost lynch.

Explains his forced vote for Mist, changes the subject to explaining why he can vote for people that appear scummy, and then changes the subject yet again. Trying to deflect attention, possibly?

For whatever reason, when I posted my reply, it replaced emotes in the sections I quoted with file locations on my computer. All I did was remove the file locations. Period. Nothing else. Yes I know you’re not supposed to edit your posts and I’ve never done so before in any mafia game I’ve played.

Explaining his edit reason.

Overall, Clockodile has one or two posts that actually have substance, and the ones that do have substance deflect suspicion of of himself, or at least attemt to. I feel most comfortable with keeping my post on Chlodochar currently, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't still analyze. I'll end mytime for now with a quick analyzation of Left's posts and then say goodnight.

[fhomess]

I agree wholeheartedly that there is nothing to be learned from today's voting pattern unless we successfully come up with a lynch today, and so I am going to reluctantly Unvote: Jarni Child-Sparer (Jamesn)

One last note for you, though, Jarni:

Any reasons? Are you going to share with us? The rules don't say you have to vote, you know.

Don't encourage people not to vote. Voting is the strongest way to learn anything about how people really feel. We need that type of information and can look back on it in future days. By all means ask for reasons for a vote, but don't suggest that a lack of reason means people should abstain. Abstaining from voting only hurts us. I will be keeping my eye on you and I encourage others to do the same.

As for where my vote will go next in the absence of Jarni, who among the leading vote getters is the most suspicious at this point? The three at the top of my list are the following:

Petr's tricksy little attempt to call for attention strikes me as particularly useless in his expected gains, but for metagamey reasons (that actually go beyond Petr himself), I'm going to refrain from voting for him for now. Without going into full detail, I have seen similarly pointless attempts to root out scum on Day 1 and they've typically been townies. One in particular sticks in my mind. So I'm not comfortable voting for Petr at this point.

To my recollection, Wilhalm doesn't appear to be any different than his normal self. Whether or not he's town or scum, I don't know. He pretty much always reads the same to me, which is not particularly on either side, and I'm not prepared to vote for him on a day 1 50/50 feeling.

Sigrid will therefore get my vote. I'm not at all comfortable with Sigrid's behavior. It's not even the way she's talking in the third person, but the way that she's saying absolutely nothing. Her vote behavior is not helpful at all. Sigrid, the way to help is to tell the rest of us what you think. If you don't know what to think about someone, ask them to explain something to you. Maybe you'll learn something. You can gather evidence to help us simply by getting people to talk.

Vote: Sigrid (Sisco)

[MagPiesRUs]

Vote Count

Petr Half-Troll (Piratedave84): 5 votes (Captain Nemo, jamesn, Cornelius Murdock, Hinckley, CallMePie)

Sigrid (Sisco): 5 votes (Piratedave84, Bob, def, Scubacarrot, fhomess)

Mist (Mencot): 3 votes (Captain Genaro, Waterbrick Down, Rick)

Wilhalm Bloodaxe (WhiteFang): 2 votes (Kristel, LegoDad)

Lefsi Red-Shirt (LegoDad): 1 vote (Palathadric)

Kolgrima the Deep-Minded (Kristel): 1 vote (Fugazi)

Chlodochar (Captain Genaro): 1 vote (Trumpetking)

Yet to Vote: 5 (WhiteFang, Sisco, Darkdragon, Mencot)

12 votes are required to convict. 12 hours remain.

[TrumpetKing]

Posts by Lefsi Red-Shirt (LegoDad) - (I think I accidentally delete. one, I'll add it if I find it,

Sure am glad I haven't been afflicted with any of these ailments that are troubling some of our fellow Vikings. Unfortunately, the smell of the cow urine is making the place uninhabitable. Helga, are you done brewing that crap yet? Glad I have my helmet to hurl into. Speaking of medicinal herbs, do we have any others to calm some of you down?

Fluff

Thanks, it actually tastes better than it smells, fortunately.

Fluff

I apologize for limited participation, the Red-Shirt clan hosted Thanksgiving today and has been very busy. I promise to be much more invested tomorrow and get a vote in. From what I've followed, though, I haven't seen much other than a few posts that have stuck out that have already been talked about.

Fluff, tries to look active by saying he'll be more active and that everything he's noticed has already been said.

As Helga also pointed out, why get defensive right away? Odd.

While this could be harmless, it struck me a bit like fishing for some info that past players would have that newbs would not. Dufa and Snotra took issue with this as well, and they everybody's favorite vote right now came in and gave it a bit of a defense, which always bothers me.

I feel the same way about these early defenses. Why come to someone's aid if you don't know their affiliation. If something needs clarified, ask for clarification, don't run to their side when they're being questioned. Mist defended herself of this, but it is what it is, a Day 1 defense of another player however you look at it.

I'm not sure why you would come out and defend yourself against nothing? Though I do agree with you that Wilhalm is one of the oddest so far, but for different reasons. Sigrid's one (and only?) post was off the wall, wasn't sure what that was about at the beginning of the day.

Agree with Dufa, seems like a forced vote. I've only felt weird about voting once, and I was on the Loki side of things.

Mainly, there hasn't been a whole lot that has REALLY stuck out, but there have been some little things that I have gone over above. I think Naemr, Mist, Wilhalm, and Chlodochar are acting the most "off" today. I don't want to get caught up in bandwagoning at this point, though, since we can change our vote and there is plenty of time if things need to change. I will Vote: Wilhalm Bloodaxe (Whitefang).

Just about everything in this post is you saying you agree with people, just phrased to look longer.

This quote from Wilhalm defending and backing somebody that I find to be a bit scummy at this point bothered me. It didn't quote when multiquoting on my last post for some reason, though I was sure I selected it. Anyway, I have a handful that I have pointed out that could have gotten my vote at this point. Wilhalm drew the short stick for now.

He chose Wilhalm in his vote, and somewhat explains it. What he doesn't explain is why he chose Wilhalm when in my eyes the discussion about him was dead for the time being. He says that he's highlighted everything when he s really just agreeing with people.

I don't remember saying I had different reasons than Petr anywhere. I showed you what I found odd about him, not what someone else found odd. I call what Wilhalm did defending, you call it replying, we're arguing semantics at this point. I obviously found it more troubling than you did. No biggie.

Joining the bandwagon IS something a Servant would do. I never said I didn't want to vote for her and made it clear I was open to changing votes if need be. To answer your question, yes, I do find Wilhalm more odd than Chlodochar as Chlodochar hasn't done much other than vote. Had it not been pointed out, I might not have taken note of it.

I called out several people. I can't vote for them all today. I made it plainly clear I was open to voting for anybody on my list but avoided voting for Mist(at this time) because I knew I'd be called out for bandwagoning. It appears I can't win either way. What I find really odd is that we both seem to have the exact same people on our radar, yet somehow you don't agree with how I'm doing it as opposed to how you are. I answered your question about me and Chlodochar above. He's not the highest on my list right now, but felt his voting needed mentioning again, but wasn't worthy of my vote right now.

Basically he's flailing by saying he's not scu. Because he didn't vote for Mist, which is lazy. He also calls me out despite the fact that his reasoning sounds like he s saying I'm copying him, when I've been discussing these people longer.

You claim Wilhalm, the person I voted to lynch, is the highest on your list of scum, and then vote to lynch me? This makes no damn sense.

Also, talking semantics with Rurik is hardly floundering. I have backed up any question posed my way, not sure how that makes me scum.

Basically just says he's not scum, and then he also does give a reasonable "makes no sense" argument towards a vote for him.

I'm certainly unsure about Lesti, but he'd still be m. 2nd choice for a lymch with his constant floumdering and agreeing.

*lynch, *floundering

Sigrid would be my 3rd choice for a lynch. Although I feel more comfortable with Chlodochar, and Lesti would be my 2nd choice, we may make more progress lynching Sigrid, as she hasn't done anything to be helpful, and we're in need of votes for a lynch to learn from, I'm willing to change my vote.

Unvote: Chlodochar (Captain Genaro)

Vote: Sigrid (Sisco)

[Rick]

After looking back at it, yes, I obviously do have a bad short term memory . He was stating they were acting weird, my issue with Wilhalm was more definitive with his "defense". I could also call it someone backing up his buddy as much as a defense. Does that sound better?

Who was stating they (again, who?) were acting weirdly? So, you suspect Wilhalm and Naemr to be scum buddies? Why would Wilhalm feel the need to back him up at that point? Again, he was the first to reply to him. There was no need to back him up (if you prefer that word to "defend", which you used earlier) on anything.

Would you rather I just put in a vote for the current vote getter? Then I'm bandwagoning.

There was hardly a bandwagon forming on Mist. And, as Gofraid already suggested, the fact that you see a bandwagon forming might be explained by what Helga tends to call "scum perspective" and what has been labeled "bandwagonophia" earlier.

Also, talking semantics with Rurik is hardly floundering. I have backed up any question posed my way, not sure how that makes me scum.

Stop trying to explain it away with "semantics". It's more than that.

What in the? How can this happen?

You cross posted and echoed EXACTLY the same thoughts.

Is it not a bit early to have conversations in the background? Unless ... It takes place on a writeboard.

And you're voting for...

I'm going to vote: Sigrid (sisco)

For a) saying nothing of value b) popping in and voting while blatantly saying he has not bothered to read/try to understand the conversation and c) finally ending up just retracting his vote.

... Sigrid. It resembles Lefsi's post when he voted for Wilhalm, as his post looked like it was building up to a vote for Naemr or Jarni.

Make no mistake, I am a member of the Einherjar and although my actions were odd, the intention has ways been to try to root out servants of Loki.

As I said before, it looks like your little WIFOM game backfired on you.

The vote is a mess and I will address my concerns as well for those who think I am suspicious. I am typing short and sweet and no value to add at this point in time, is because this is merely day 1 and we have hardly concrete clues to work on except working on our chatting behaviour in this game of life. Pretty ironic, and if we don't convict someone and then we will lose a day to get things moving, leaving the night to decide for one another for those gifted individuals. I may just be re-phrasing my wordings from time to time, but that does not mean anything.

My only fear is that these Servants of Loki are probably gloating at us right now for being confused while they plot us to death in dark. I don't like this feeling and I don't trust any of you so easily as well. Furthermore, I am more suspicious of others who laid their votes easily just by gut feeling which does not quantify a certain person death by this sole justification. For all we know, we are being divided by the scums... I don't have a specific target vote in mind yet, but I am very much inclined to target people who are easily casting their votes in an irresponisble manner. An irresponsible player, be it vanilia, action player or scummy context, any of such sort is a liability to our winning cause to rid of these foul servants.

"Concrete clues" don't come falling from the sky. They come from applying a little pressure on people, which you seem to think is "irresponsible". There is a lot to comment on and it'd be nice if you could share your thoughts on the situation.

Don´t wanna go back to old things but what list is this of mine, did I say I have that... what I write don´t always come out as I want it but don´t remeber I said that

[And to make something clear No my english understanding isn´t bad, it is my writting that is (word mixing up and so)]

Could you perhaps try to explain why you choose the word "wisest"?

We should have a lynch. Of the people I'm suspicious of, Sigrid is highest, so that is what I must do.

throwing your vote away, and shows you are afraid to show a real opinion in this deathly serious matter.

I see someone who's not participating. Someone who thought she would not get scrutinsed if she just voted for the one with the most votes at the time. I'm still suspicious of Mist, but she's hard to read because of her poor grasp of our language.

I'm surprised people haven't put more pressure on Lefsi Red-Shirt, because what he's doing sure looks like flailing to me. I'd vote for him at this point, but I agree that we need a conviction today and it doesn't look like we're getting enough support for his lynch. Petr's behaviour has been suspicious. I've seen a lot of nervous reactions and a poor "explanation" (which he came up with very late) for his odd behaviour.

Unvote: Mist (Mencot)

Vote: Petr Half-troll (Piratedave84)

[Scubacarrot]

Someone named Bob is on the tally twice.

[MagPiesRUs]

Fixed.

Vote Count

Petr Half-Troll (Piratedave84): 6 votes (Captain Nemo, jamesn, Cornelius Murdock, Hinckley, CallMePie, Rick)

Sigrid (Sisco): 6 votes (Piratedave84, Bob, def, Scubacarrot, fhomess, Trumpetking)

Mist (Mencot): 2 votes (Captain Genaro, Waterbrick Down)

Wilhalm Bloodaxe (WhiteFang): 2 votes (Kristel, LegoDad)

Lefsi Red-Shirt (LegoDad): 1 vote (Palathadric)

Kolgrima the Deep-Minded (Kristel): 1 vote (Fugazi)

Yet to Vote: 4 (WhiteFang, Sisco, Darkdragon, Mencot)

12 votes are required to convict. Just under 11 hours remain.

[def]

Two 'guests' reading the page for a while. Must be formulating a plan.

[Palathadric]

Right now, I don't really feel either of the votes is stronger than the other. By their actions, both could easily be scum, but then I could see an unhelpful Einherjar in one and an overeager Einharjar in the other. Since it's about 50/50 for me now, it's better to vote for someone who doesn't like she's going to be helpful anytime soon in the future.

Unvote: Lefsi Red-shirt (LegoDad)

Vote: Sigrid (Sisco)

[WhiteFang]

I have decided on my vote for Day 1, instead of voting at the people who accused me in the first place, like a crying child pointing fingers, I will rather put my vote into good use for the best of everyone. No activities equate to irresponsible. Sigrid has not been stepping in to defend herself either. I wished Sigrid could just speak up before the end of the day, but time is running short and I have been holding my vote for too long.

This will be my vote for Day 1,

Vote Sigrid (Sisco)

[Kristel]

I'd like to strongly suggest people not voting for, say, the top three (Mist, Petr, or Sigrid) unvote and vote for one of those three, or vote if you haven't in the first place. It would lead us to a lynch, and would give us more to work with later in the game. Being a single voter in a situation like this is akin to throwing your vote away, and shows you are afraid to show a real opinion in this deathly serious matter.

I am not comfortable with this approach at all and feel like I am being bullied into voting to satisfy Dufa's need for action on Day 1.

I am not going to vote for Mist because I don't think she's scum, but rather a townie who has a little more trouble than most to articulate what she is thinking.

Re-reading the discussion around Mist made me realise too why Wilhalm's first post probably came across as forced to me. Notwithstanding that he hasn't been particularly helpful during the day (there are others that fit that bill too), I'm going to:

Unvote: Wilhalm Bloodaxe (WhiteFang)

Between Petr and Sigrid, I think Patrekr summed it up well:

By their actions, both could easily be scum, but then I could see an unhelpful Einherjar in one and an overeager Einharjar in the other.

I really don't understand what Petr is on, but I find it hard to believe that he's really dumb scum. Sigrid just seems lazy town to me.

Given we don't have to vote, this is not a decision as to who is the least helpful townie. I have a choice not to vote and I'm not going to put forward a vote for anyone that I think is more likely town than scum.

Of course, good Dufa could also make a decent case to push for one of these three to be lynched, with the votes being so close (what, four being the most right now?) because all three are innocent. It's a distinct possibility

It's worthwhile quoting this just in case someone missed it the first time around.

[Mencot]

Vote Count

Petr Half-Troll (Piratedave84): 6 votes (Captain Nemo, jamesn, Cornelius Murdock, Hinckley, CallMePie, Rick)

Sigrid (Sisco): 6 votes (Piratedave84, Bob, def, Scubacarrot, fhomess, Trumpetking)

Mist (Mencot): 2 votes (Captain Genaro, Waterbrick Down)

Wilhalm Bloodaxe (WhiteFang): 2 votes (Kristel, LegoDad)

Lefsi Red-Shirt (LegoDad): 1 vote (Palathadric)

Kolgrima the Deep-Minded (Kristel): 1 vote (Fugazi)

Yet to Vote: 4 (WhiteFang, Sisco, Darkdragon, Mencot)

Bout the top 2, can´t say really anything about them nor of anyother player so far either.

Sigrid (Sisco), I feel she isn´t really with us, ofcourse she can be busy but a better contribution would be welcome (and yes I am not saying I have contribute much so far)

but her excuse seem to be her character who can´t speak... BUT HEY this is a writting game, I guess you can do better writting those notes Sigrid, definitely just as good as I am writting english here

The half troll guy, I still bugs and annoys me out with the poems and rhymes form the confirmation thread but that isn´t a reason to vote for him.

And bout not voting, I have learned from a wild wild west thing that it is never a good thing that there isn´t a lynch. Altough I feel now that there isn´t nobody to vote for, the wisest thing is to vote (oh my the hammer of Thor there was the use of the banned word again in my comment )

Could you perhaps try to explain why you choose the word "wisest"?

The use of the word back then was (it was pretty beginning of the day, right) and I felt it was a good word to describe that Naemr tried to help and contribute rather than talking about cow piss. His post was pretty much fluff and not useful as I stated back then in the same comment. But Okay (not ok-ey), bad choice for use of word.

Who I am gonna vote for:

I am ggonna go with Vote: Sigrid (Sisco)

why by the things stated above maybe the one of the others can be taken out by night, and we will get some info tomorrow.

[MagPiesRUs]

Vote Count

Sigrid (Sisco): 9 votes (Piratedave84, Bob, def, Scubacarrot, fhomess, Trumpetking, Palathadric, WhiteFang, Mencot)

Petr Half-Troll (Piratedave84): 6 votes (Captain Nemo, jamesn, Cornelius Murdock, Hinckley, CallMePie, Rick)

Mist (Mencot): 2 votes (Captain Genaro, Waterbrick Down)

Wilhalm Bloodaxe (WhiteFang): 1 vote (LegoDad)

Kolgrima the Deep-Minded (Kristel): 1 vote (Fugazi)

Yet to vote: 3 (Sisco, Darkdragon, Kristel)

12 votes are required to convict. 8 hours remain in the day.

[CorneliusMurdock]

What exactly is a "dangerous sheep"? The worst Sigrid is doing is not participating. It feels weird to me that when some momentum is building for Petr that a bunch of you dudes start swinging for Sigrid. Especially those that say we need a lynch.

And what will we have tomorrow with a Sigrid lynch? "Oh well, she was useless anyway."

[def]

I am not comfortable with this approach at all and feel like I am being bullied into voting to satisfy Dufa's need for action on Day 1.

I'm not trying to bully people, I'm trying to motivate a (relatively) lazy crowd. I chose the three people who were under the greatest suspicion at that time, not even my #1 choice.

Are you proposing no-lynch as the best course of action? Or a better lynch candidate? If you have a better course of action, share it. I'm open to hear it. But it's poor form to call someone a bully for initiating action

[Scubacarrot]

A dangerous sheep is someone that looks totally innocent and quiet, while in actuality being a horrible murderous bastard. If we mislynch, we have what we always have. A point to go from.

Not lynching anyone on day one is dumb. What will happen? A vig will have a decent chance of thinking to themselves they will not kill on night one because they'd have nothing to go after. So that leaves only the scum and the serial killer to kill. So there will be no kills decided by the town. Is that something that sounds good to you, Mursi? It sounds hell of suspicious coming from such an experienced viking like yourself, suggesting a no-lynch.

Also, there are five guests hanging around the halls (forums). The scum team trying out a new strategy?

[Palathadric]

maybe the one of the others can be taken out by night, and we will get some info tomorrow.

What exactly is a "dangerous sheep"? The worst Sigrid is doing is not participating. It feels weird to me that when some momentum is building for Petr that a bunch of you dudes start swinging for Sigrid. Especially those that say we need a lynch.

I don't really think there was a whole lot of momentum on either case up until now. The votes were pretty much tie up until Wilhalm and Mist hopped along.

Something I have noticed though are that three more serious suspects are on the Sigrid bandwagon, while only Naemr is on the Petr one. I don't really know what this means though.

By "the three more serious suspects," I meant Petr, Wilhalm, and Mist of course.

[CorneliusMurdock]

No, Patrekr, Petr was gaining momentum and then there were a bunch of votes for Sigrid all of a sudden. Maybe it was "pretty much tied" when you voted but did you notice the votes before yours?

A dangerous sheep is someone that looks totally innocent and quiet, while in actuality being a horrible murderous bastard. If we mislynch, we have what we always have. A point to go from.

But the behavior isn't scummy, it's lazy. I'm learning a decent amount from this vote already. I strongly believe the scum are active already. If we end this day without a lynch, it'll be to their credit.

[Fugazi]

What exactly is a "dangerous sheep"? The worst Sigrid is doing is not participating. It feels weird to me that when some momentum is building for Petr that a bunch of you dudes start swinging for Sigrid. Especially those that say we need a lynch.

And what will we have tomorrow with a Sigrid lynch? "Oh well, she was useless anyway."

I agree with Mursi here. Between Mist, Sigrid and Petr (if we must choose among those three) Sigrid appears to me like the easiest and most unproductive lynch. But is there anything to learn from the fact that votes pile up much more easily on her than on any other candidate?

Not lynching anyone on day one is dumb. What will happen? A vig will have a decent chance of thinking to themselves they will not kill on night one because they'd have nothing to go after. So that leaves only the scum and the serial killer to kill. So there will be no kills decided by the town. Is that something that sounds good to you, Mursi? It sounds hell of suspicious coming from such an experienced viking like yourself, suggesting a no-lynch.

Come on, Snotra. Nowhere did Mursi suggest that it would be better not to lynch, and the obvious way in which you're twisting his words is not an argument befitting of you. Cheap shot.

Even though Sigrid hasn't been very helpful so far, I doubt that her Loki team would let her keep up this sort of behaviour. I'm more interested in Petr's 'scum trap' and how he never got back to us with his conclusions.

Unvote: Kolgrima the Deep-Minded (Kristel)

Vote: Petr Half-Troll (Piratedave84)

I will be around until the end of the day, waiting for Petr to explain himself and ready to change my vote if need be.

[LegoDad]

How is it that I have not landed on any of the 'no poster' or 'low poster' lists? I was barely present and said nothing of value but yet no one noticed ... Am I invisible?

I can honestly say that I have absolutely no clue whom to vote for. there are a few individuals here which I have rarely/never crossed path with before and I find it very difficult to assess their allegiance. I find Wilhalm and Sigrid to be the oddest but that's probably just because I'm not used to their styles.

I feel like I'm speaking for the sake of speaking ... I honestly have nothing to say ... How embarrassing.

Who was stating they (again, who?) were acting weirdly? So, you suspect Wilhalm and Naemr to be scum buddies? Why would Wilhalm feel the need to back him up at that point? Again, he was the first to reply to him. There was no need to back him up (if you prefer that word to "defend", which you used earlier) on anything.

There was hardly a bandwagon forming on Mist. And, as Gofraid already suggested, the fact that you see a bandwagon forming might be explained by what Helga tends to call "scum perspective" and what has been labeled "bandwagonophia" earlier.

Stop trying to explain it away with "semantics". It's more than that.

I was referring to Wilhalm in Petr's post above. He was saying Wilhalm was "odd" for his style of play, I found it odd that he(Wilhalm) backed up a post from another player(Naemr). I'm sorry for any misunderstandings by using the word "weird" instead of the original "odd". They mean the same thing. To the second question, yes, at this point, I think at this point that their scum buddie-ness is a distinct possibility. I've sure been wrong before, though, but it's as much a possibility as anything else that has been thrown out there at this point. To answer the "Why would Wilhalm feel the need to back him up at that point?" That's the damn point I'm trying to make with you! Exactly, why would you do that? To back up your buddy. "Backing up" is probably a better word than "defend", you are right with that.

I agree that there was no need at that point, maybe they realized it was stupid to say and wanted to get out in front of it before it was made a big deal. Looks like it worked.

While I personally won't forget Wilhalm, it seems to be a wasted vote at this time, as Dufa would say. Since Sigrid and Petr are getting the most attention, I will focus on them. Sigrid has posted little, and in a weird, 3rd person format for some reason. Has really been no help today. Petr tried to get noticed by telling everyone that he hadn't participated, and felt left out by not getting called out. Then tried to explain it away as a way to get scum to fall for the trap.

When I was in school, someone tried one of these "traps", and they ended up being scum. Explained it away almost the exact same way, as well. I think I would rather vote for someone I feel has a decent chance at being scum than someone that is probably just an unhelpful vanilla.

Unvote: Wilhalm Bloodaxe (Whitefang)

Vote: Petr Half-Troll (Piratedave84)

[Rick]

What exactly is a "dangerous sheep"? The worst Sigrid is doing is not participating. It feels weird to me that when some momentum is building for Petr that a bunch of you dudes start swinging for Sigrid. Especially those that say we need a lynch.

I too get the idea that Sigrid seems like a relatively easy lynch to some. I don't really see the big difference between her and Wilhalm's (non)participation, for example.