Ragnarök Now Redux - Day One

[Hinckley]

Also, there are five guests hanging around the halls (forums). The scum team trying out a new strategy?

Five? Maybe there's nothing to it, then. I've never made it a point to check for guests before. Maybe it's common. Or maybe all the Scum who were online decided to taunt us. If there really are 5 Scum hovering around the thread waiting to see what happens then one of our lynch candidates must be Scum.

I'm also surprised that there are so many votes for Sigrid. I didn't like his asking for evidence either but he is the least experienced among us. Petr is flailing and has a potential connection with Kolgrima. If the Scum team is trying to save him, it will only buy him a day.

There are only a couple hours left in the day and it looks like we won't accomplish a lynch today.

[jimmynick]

Sigrid sat and listened to the events of the day unfold, her brow furrowing more and more as time went on. She didn't really want to vote for anyone, but one stood out as the most odd to her. So, she wrote down her vote on a slip of paper and passed it toward the front of the hall.

Vote: Mist (Mencot)

Don't encourage people not to vote.

But looking at what I said in context, one of the reasons why Sigrid voted for Mist was because Sigrid thought voting was mandatory; voting isn't mandatory, so claiming to be pressured to vote is a terrible excuse.

[Waterbrick Down]

I'm still not convinced by Mist and his last comment seems to be composed of telling everyone why he doesn't think anyone deserves a vote at this point and then hops on the bandwagon for Sigrid. The speed at which that bandwagon grew as opposed to some of the previous ones has me worried and even if we're right about it, I'd suspect that most of servants of Loki would have jumped aboard that train making it really difficult to discern anything about allegiances given the scarcity of Sigrid's posts. If Sigrid's an Einherjar, like Mursi implied, we're pretty much going to be in same position tomorrow as we are today. Since we won't be learning anything without a lynch today and considering that we'd get more from a Petr lynch, I'll unvote: Mist (Mencot) and vote: Petr Half-Troll (Piratedave84), though begrudgingly.

[Palathadric]

No, Patrekr, Petr was gaining momentum and then there were a bunch of votes for Sigrid all of a sudden. Maybe it was "pretty much tied" when you voted but did you notice the votes before yours?

Okay, I guess you have a point. It was 5 to 3 and then Sisco got six votes with one Petr one inbetween. I just saw the 5-5 and then 6-6 a little later on. As I said before, the fact that so many suspicious people are voting for Sigrid over Petr, and for such pitiful reasons, makes me think Petr may be the better lynch after all.

Unvote: Sigrid (Sisco)

Vote: Petr Half-Troll (Piratedave84)

So ten votes for Petr, only two remaining...let's see if two votes will come in the remaining three or so hours.

[fhomess]

When I was in school, someone tried one of these "traps", and they ended up being scum. Explained it away almost the exact same way, as well. I think I would rather vote for someone I feel has a decent chance at being scum than someone that is probably just an unhelpful vanilla.

Heh. When I was in school, someone tried one of these "traps", and they ended up being town. I guess we're all biased by our experiences and past lives. I guess a legitimate question, then, is why is Petr acting like he's never been here before?

But looking at what I said in context, one of the reasons why Sigrid voted for Mist was because Sigrid thought voting was mandatory; voting isn't mandatory, so claiming to be pressured to vote is a terrible excuse.

Fair enough, but I didn't read that comment from Sigrid as saying she thought voting was mandatory, merely that she was unsure of who to vote for. When you informed her that she didn't have to, she withdrew the vote. And now, she has yet to come back and throw her hat in the ring. You gave her an out and she's grabbed on to it. This approach is not out of character for Sigrid.

[CorneliusMurdock]

So you weren't really reading, then. How are you more helpful than Sigrid?

I guess we'll see what's gonna happen. My thoughts on who the scum may be:

Petr (why I'm voting for him)

Kolgrima (doesn't like being associated with Petr)

Patrekr (follows votes like a scum would)

[Mencot]

Even though Sigrid hasn't been very helpful so far, I doubt that her Loki team would let her keep up this sort of behaviour. I'm more interested in Petr's 'scum trap' and how he never got back to us with his conclusions.

Both Sigrid and Petr hasn`t returned back to answer any of their accusations, is that not strange in every way. I can see that Petr´s been more vocal an have had more to say then Sigrid. If Sigrid has been busy, she will be in for a suprise when she returns, with all the votes for her... and it can be too late for her to do anything because the day will soon be over.

But after all said I am keeping my vote as it is for now, I hate "bandvagon" but I don´t find a better choice for day one right now.

[Piratedave84]

Here's what I have gathered from today's discussions.

The people who have pursued me the most are Gofraid and Tumi. Suprisingly, Tumi did not vote for me rarther opting to vote for Sigrid, Why?

Here are the individuals who have not even as much as acknowledged that I was acting weird:

Sigrid

Dagstyrr

Chlodochar

Baulf

Here are the individuals that poked me but failed to follow up on said pokes:

Kolgrima

Patrekr

These tow chose to ignore the interactions sating they were either useless or by asking the group to move on:

Finn

Wary

People who 'sheeped' the vote for me:

Mursi

Canute

Patrekr

This is not really what I had hoped for but we learnt a few things:

1) Tumi actively pursued me but failed to vote for me probably knowing I would turn town if/when lynched; no scum wants to be the leader of a town lynch.

2) Kolgrima does not want to be associated with me.

My actions were unusual but did help greatly in stirring the discussion; I am ready to die for town if it means my death will enable you to catch scum tomorrow.

[CorneliusMurdock]

Can you explain how I "sheeped the vote" for you? And in which group you think that puts me?

Now that you've gathered your results, what conclusions would you like to share with us?

[Piratedave84]

Can you explain how I "sheeped the vote" for you? And in which group you think that puts me?

Now that you've gathered your results, what conclusions would you like to share with us?

This was your justification for the vote:

I find this hard to believe. The dude acts weird intentionally to see who all calls him out on it? This sounds less like a plan and more like someone trying to explain away scum-nervousness to me. Let's massage the egos of those accusing me and hope that they ignore that I'm still all jittery and stuff...

Of those with votes, I think this dude is the one I think is scummiest:

Vote: Petr Half-Troll (Piratedave84)

That to me reads like "I would rather have voted elsewhere but why not vote for Petr instead". That combined with the fact you said you did not like bandwagons, which my possible lynch is, makes me conclude that you sheeted the vote.

As for conclusions, do you not see them? I numbered them. Let me reiterate them for you:

This is not really what I had hoped for but we learnt a few things:

1) Tumi actively pursued me but failed to vote for me probably knowing I would turn town if/when lynched; no scum wants to be the leader of a town lynch.

2) Kolgrima does not want to be associated with me.

My actions were unusual but did help greatly in stirring the discussion; I am ready to die for town if it means my death will enable you to catch scum tomorrow.

[CorneliusMurdock]

1- an observation teamed with a tired adage about what scum would or wouldn't do.

2- an observation that, if I recall correctly, didn't really have anything to do with your "trap"

I'm asking for your conclusions. Your opinions. The closest you come is saying that Turni might be scum since he didn't vote for you.

What about Kolgrima? What do you think about her not wanting to be associated with you?

What about anyone else you mention? How do you feel about them based on what you see?

[CMP]

As for conclusions, do you not see them? I numbered them. Let me reiterate them for you:

Conclusions are what you. derive from those observations

[CorneliusMurdock]

And you need to learn the difference between sheep and men. I don't produce wool. Compare my post with say, Patrekr's. Who says "baa"?

[Piratedave84]

1- an observation teamed with a tired adage about what scum would or wouldn't do.

2- an observation that, if I recall correctly, didn't really have anything to do with your "trap"

I'm asking for your conclusions. Your opinions. The closest you come is saying that Turni might be scum since he didn't vote for you.

What about Kolgrima? What do you think about her not wanting to be associated with you?

What about anyone else you mention? How do you feel about them based on what you see?

1- You don't agree that it is peculiar that Tumi opted not to vote for me after relentlesly pursuing me?

2- Although not directly linked to the 'trap' we can agree that had I not sadi those things, Kolgrima would have not sought to distance herself from me.

And you need to learn the difference between sheep and men. I don't produce wool. Compare my post with say, Patrekr's. Who says "baa"?

Ok you may not have sheeped the vote, just followed it ... BIG difference! Your vote still seems like it was forced; whom was your vote really intended for?

Conclusions:

Here are the individuals who have not even as much as acknowledged that I was acting weird:

Sigrid

Dagstyrr

Chlodochar

Baulf

These 4 were probably happy that attention was shifted away from them; Sigrid was under fire, and Dagstyrr, Baulf and Chlodochar barely said anything and were problably happy that their laying low was not the focus of attention.

1 of these four is bound to be a scum

Here are the individuals that poked me but failed to follow up on said pokes:

Kolgrima

Patrekr

These 2 are the most suscpicious to me, Kolgrima for being so vocal and defensive in distancing herself from me and Patrekr for being such a sheep

I would be tempted to claim that both of them are scum

These tow chose to ignore the interactions sating they were either useless or by asking the group to move on:

Finn

Wary

I have no idea on how to read these 2, I am leaning town.

People who 'sheeped' the vote for me:

Mursi

Canute

Patrekr

Oh look, Patrekr again!

As for Mursi and Canute, one of them is probably scum; both of you were extremely prompt in answering me when I called you out on your votes.

Canute, care to explain your vote?

[fhomess]

Petr, I have to agree with the Chief and Canute here. Your conclusions need to indicate what each group represents. Do you think that Wary and myself are either both town or both scum because you grouped us together? What about those that you think sheeped you? What about those that don't fall into the 11 you listed. Are they all town or all scum?

You voted for Sigrid. What does that mean to you regarding Dags, Chlodo, and Baulf?

[Piratedave84]

Petr, I have to agree with the Chief and Canute here. Your conclusions need to indicate what each group represents. Do you think that Wary and myself are either both town or both scum because you grouped us together? What about those that you think sheeped you? What about those that don't fall into the 11 you listed. Are they all town or all scum?

You voted for Sigrid. What does that mean to you regarding Dags, Chlodo, and Baulf?

We cross posted.

The groups don't necessarily represent affiliation but rather actions.

The 11 not listed are unknowns; there are probably 3-4 scum hiding in that group as well but it;s anyone's guess as to whom they are.

Like I said, Dags, Chlodo, and Baulf barely said anything so it's very hard for me (or anyone) to assess their allegiance.

[CMP]

Canute, care to explain your vote?

I believe lynching is the most telling way to get any answers on Day One, and you're both one my top three suspects and one of the people with the most votes right now. So I think you're a prime target for lynching. Sigrid gives me more the impression of an ungodly lazy townie than anything; my vote for her was an attempt to get her to speak up.

As for Mursi and Canute, one of them is probably scum; both of you were extremely prompt in answering me when I called you out on your votes.

Sorry I check things regularly and don't let accusations against me linger unanswered. But thank you for drawing up your conclusions.

[Piratedave84]

I believe lynching is the most telling way to get any answers on Day One, and you're both one my top three suspects and one of the people with the most votes right now. So I think you're a prime target for lynching. Sigrid gives me more the impression of an ungodly lazy townie than anything; my vote for her was an attempt to get her to speak up.

Like I said before, I am ready to die for town of it helps you get answers and enables you to root out scum; while were on that subject, what will my death allow you to find? what are the conclusions you are hoping to arrive to with my death?

[CMP]

Like I said before, I am ready to die for town of it helps you get answers and enables you to root out scum; while were on that subject, what will my death allow you to find? what are the conclusions you are hoping to arrive to with my death?

Your own suspicions, primarily. If you're town, we take a close look at them and go over them. If you're scum....we take an even closer look. Also, voting patterns. They're much more evident now that we're focusing on two targets.

[Piratedave84]

Helga, Chlodochar, Dagstyrr, Wary, Naemr and Baulf have been watching us for a while ... care to chime in?

[Hinckley]

I don't have much more to add than I've already said. I'm waiting for the day to be concluded since it looks like we're past the deadline. By my tally, there is no lynch. Am I right?

[Waterbrick Down]

Nothing really to add past what I've already stated. I'm more given to believe that Sigrid is acting like he usually does when he is innocent and that lynching him wouldn't yield us very much to analyze afterwards except a bunch of bandwagon votes and his what, three statements?

[Fugazi]

I'm not buying all of Petr's conclusions, but at least he's present and attempting to explain himself. I'm certainly not sure about my vote, and what is most annoying now is that we don't have a lynch -- unless I'm mistaken. There are still some non-voters among us, which is hardly acceptable in a situation such as this one.

[CorneliusMurdock]

Ok you may not have sheeped the vote, just followed it ... BIG difference! Your vote still seems like it was forced; whom was your vote really intended for?

I was the third one to vote for you, man. I laid out my reasoning when doing so. You say it was forced, you're reading it wrong. It can't help that.

My vote was intended for you. Otherwise I would have written someone else's name there, doofus.

[Darkdragon]

Well, my list of suspicions is pretty short so far, but day one is always so confusing and fruitless for the most part. So everyone is a suspect, but here's my most suspected list so far.

Naemr - Started off defending against nothing, lots of talk but it all seemed to be focused on previous incarnations and not about what's going on now, really no substance but kept replying to everything in a defensive manor even when not truly under any scrutiny (at least not as far as I could tell). Feeling as though one is always on the defense is often a sign.

Petr - Started off going on about roleplaying and then commenting about intro events, acting strange but then saying it was all some sort of trap for the servants or just to try and get reactions. It's often a good call when being called out for saying strange things/acting scummy to claim that it's all a trick done on purpose to guage reactions.

It's really a toss up between these two for me, but Naemr was first on my radar so I'll go with him for now.

Vote: Naemr Sledgehammer (Captain Nemo)

The one thing that troubles me is that the last summary of votes is quite a while ago, and at that time nobody voted for Naemr which seems odd to me. Could I be completely wrong here? There is still some time, less for me because I can't be around for about an hour or so, but still some time to look back over things again.

I don't have much more to add than I've already said. I'm waiting for the day to be concluded since it looks like we're past the deadline. By my tally, there is no lynch. Am I right?

The 24hr mark was at 2:30p and it's ~ 12:30p now, or am I off? Time is a fickle beast it seems. Maybe we only have 8 minutes left...sometimes the time i see and the time i live in are an hour different