Ragnarök Now Redux - Day One

[Piratedave84]

How is it that I have not landed on any of the 'no poster' or 'low poster' lists? I was barely present and said nothing of value but yet no one noticed ... Am I invisible?

I can honestly say that I have absolutely no clue whom to vote for. there are a few individuals here which I have rarely/never crossed path with before and I find it very difficult to assess their allegiance. I find Wilhalm and Sigrid to be the oddest but that's probably just because I'm not used to their styles.

I feel like I'm speaking for the sake of speaking ... I honestly have nothing to say ... How embarrassing.

[TrumpetKing]

How is it that I have not landed on any of the 'no poster' or 'low poster' lists? I was barely present and said nothing of value but yet no one noticed ... Am I invisible?

I can honestly say that I have absolutely no clue whom to vote for. there are a few individuals here which I have rarely/never crossed path with before and I find it very difficult to assess their allegiance. I find Wilhalm and Sigrid to be the oddest but that's probably just because I'm not used to their styles.

I feel like I'm speaking for the sake of speaking ... I honestly have nothing to say ... How embarrassing.

Yeah, I think you are speaking for the sake of speaking, because it seems like you're almost telling us to lynch you, because you're so obviously flying under the radar. Why would you want to be brought up as a potential scum in any situation? You basically came here to say "Oh hey guys, why aren't you talking about me? I'm so quiet! Oh, and I don't know who to vote for. Bye!"

I've searched through our Library and foumd scenarios where Wilhalm does fit the descriptions Helga and Dufa have given towards him. Unvote: Wilhalm Bloodaxe (WhiteFang). I'll still be looking out for him, though, as well as especially paying attention to Petr Half-Troll and Mist for Petr's post and Mist's behavior. I'm leaning towards Mist being our best bet right now, but I'd like to see her speak a little more so I can get a better sense of comparison between her past lives.

[Hinckley]

I've searched through our Library and foumd scenarios where Wilhalm does fit the descriptions Helga and Dufa have given towards him.

Don't mistake what I said. This behavior is indicative of his gameplay on either side so don't take him off of your suspect list until you have a reason to.

[TrumpetKing]

That's why I said I'm still watching out for him, no?

[Hinckley]

Just checking.

[Fugazi]

"I'm just saying. There are certain people among us that will be murdering people for reasons other than the murderee being a servant of Loki."

Ok I see, thanks for the explanation.

Well, it was Thanksgiving weekend and Americans are probably shopping or putting up decorations. However, the smarties I'm worried about are Rurik of Gofraid, neither American. They are experienced players and haven't contributed much yet. Although they aren't know for being prolific posters as much as for being smart.

Rurik of Gofraid? I know he's a bastard, but Rurik is not my son.

Anyhow, it's true I'm not a talkative Viking. I'm not overly excited by the evidence (I use that term loosely) presented so far, but it's healthy to shake the boat and see who falls over. Or something, I'm not sure how the saying goes anymore.

How is it that I have not landed on any of the 'no poster' or 'low poster' lists? I was barely present and said nothing of value but yet no one noticed ... Am I invisible?

I feel like I'm speaking for the sake of speaking ... I honestly have nothing to say ... How embarrassing.

Uh, you're an odd one! Don't try to grab our attention so much if you're not going to say anything of interest. Would a townie not directly under suspicion be so nervous about having to speak up and be noticed? I'm going to ponder this for a minute.

[jimmynick]

How is it that I have not landed on any of the 'no poster' or 'low poster' lists?

Have you not been reading? You're on mine.

I have a hard time voting for [Mist], as I do tend to lead towards scum towards her past lives every time we meet, and I'm failing to see what makes her playing yle that much different than other times.

Yeah, the Library didn't show Mist tends to be a "usual suspect" I'd have no hesitation voting for her.

[Hinckley]

That should've read Rurik or Gofraid. Although I'm sure you'd make an incredibly attractive hybrid.

Good to hear from you.

[Piratedave84]

Yeah, I think you are speaking for the sake of speaking, because it seems like you're almost telling us to lynch you, because you're so obviously flying under the radar. Why would you want to be brought up as a potential scum in any situation? You basically came here to say "Oh hey guys, why aren't you talking about me? I'm so quiet! Oh, and I don't know who to vote for. Bye!"

I've searched through our Library and foumd scenarios where Wilhalm does fit the descriptions Helga and Dufa have given towards him. Unvote: Wilhalm Bloodaxe (WhiteFang). I'll still be looking out for him, though, as well as especially paying attention to Petr Half-Troll and Mist for Petr's post and Mist's behavior. I'm leaning towards Mist being our best bet right now, but I'd like to see her speak a little more so I can get a better sense of comparison between her past lives.

Thanks for giving me attention; I feel less lonely now.

I have nothing to hide and nothing to fear, I drew attention to me in he hopes that people would realize that the few lists of low posters made so far were very selective.

Do you not find it odd that every single person who made a list of low posters seems to have, deliberately or not, forgotten several other low posters? The posts where individuals said "oh look such and such did not post much" were all very selective and omitted players who were clearly low posters, some even more than the people listed.

Have you not been reading? You're on mine.

We cross posted.

Uh, you're an odd one! Don't try to grab our attention so much if you're not going to say anything of interest. Would a townie not directly under suspicion be so nervous about having to speak up and be noticed? I'm going to ponder this for a minute.

We also cross posted.

[Fugazi]

I have nothing to hide and nothing to fear, I drew attention to me in he hopes that people would realize that the few lists of low posters made so far were very selective.

Oh, I see... I think.

Do you not find it odd that every single person who made a list of low posters seems to have, deliberately or not, forgotten several other low posters? The posts where individuals said "oh look such and such did not post much" were all very selective and omitted players who were clearly low posters, some even more than the people listed.

You mean those two?

Baulf, do you have anything to say this time around? Or are you going to be typically absent?

Sigrid, have anything else to say, hopefully not in third person?

You know, about half of us haven't said very much so far...

I don't really have an opinion or, rather, I'm not informed enough to say one way or another. Yes, Dagstyrr, hasn't said anything at all today. But, since we got past ox-urine to discussion of suspicions, neither have Finn the Squinter, Chief Mursi, Patrekr the Red, Lefsi Red-Shirt, Sigrid, Chlodochar, or Petr Half-Troll (and Baulf, before Helga called him out).

Pudding-Head said that "half of us haven't said very much so far"... That doesn't sound very selective. Do you think that his mentioning Baulf and Sigrid was just to keep us distracted so that we don't look too closely at the rest of the list?

As for Jarni's list, who else should have been there in your opinion?

[def]

I have nothing to hide and nothing to fear, I drew attention to me in he hopes that people would realize that the few lists of low posters made so far were very selective.

Do you not find it odd that every single person who made a list of low posters seems to have, deliberately or not, forgotten several other low posters? The posts where individuals said "oh look such and such did not post much" were all very selective and omitted players who were clearly low posters, some even more than the people listed.

So you think you were left off the list to keep suspicion off of you? Thanks for letting us know that we should pay attention to you, and that you have nothing much to add otherwise, including votes.

I find it quaint that in near a dozen posts since I implored people to vote, and now there is one less vote! Remember, it's hard to counter-argue when there is no first argument to counter

[Captain Genaro]

It appears as if Mist is a good suspect at this time. While I agree that Jarni's comparison of her tactics to those of a Paris (beautiful village, I'd loot it any time) Shawty was not perfect, her response seemed to be a little too defensive. She tries blame to Jarni twice, accusing him of mincing words. At the end, she seems flustered. She gets to the point where she says "I don’t want to waste time roleplaying, but heck, let’s go for it if it means you’ll leave me alone." Not long after this, she runs off and says "I don't want to be throwing stones at people" after tossing a few in Jarni's direction.

Perhaps I'm misinterpreting things, but I see it as being overkill for a single post that challenges what she’s saying. Based off the information I have, I’m going to Vote: Mist (Mencot).

[TrumpetKing]

I personally think, Dufa, that yes, we should be voting, but I think the problem is a lot of us here don't know exactly where to place our votes. There's accusations being thrown around, and I could be put to blame for adding a few accusations into the mix, but we still either aren't ready to vote or are waiting for words from others. Yes, it would be good to have reached a decision earlier, but what good would it do? The day won't end early with an earlier majority, ideas are still being tossed around, and we have a decent portion of time left to make a decision, so why such a rush? I'm a bit confused.

[def]

As much as I want to see voting, Chlodochar's seems like a weak, bandwagon-y one. Noted.

I personally think, Dufa, that yes, we should be voting, but I think the problem is a lot of us here don't know exactly where to place our votes. There's accusations being thrown around, and I could be put to blame for adding a few accusations into the mix, but we still either aren't ready to vote or are waiting for words from others. Yes, it would be good to have reached a decision earlier, but what good would it do? The day won't end early with an earlier majority, ideas are still being tossed around, and we have a decent portion of time left to make a decision, so why such a rush? I'm a bit confused.

BECAUSE THIS, THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED TO YOU:

<The logic being that by the time we finally reach a majority, it will be too late to turn things around should the lynchee reveal a convincing claim/counter-argument, whereas we can change course numerous times if we get to voting early.>

If we vote now, we can see reactions, see how people behave, and change course if we need to. If we wait until a consensus is reached, the day will be over, and it will be too late. Better to throw votes out early, and then refine them in the second half of the voting period.

In the case where we're in a game where the game ends when majority is reached, it's a bad idea to do this, but in this game, we can change as much as we like, so people should not be shy with their votes.

*game ends > day ends

[TrumpetKing]

I missed that entire megablocking post.

[LegoDad]

I don't really have an opinion or, rather, I'm not informed enough to say one way or another. Yes, Dagstyrr, hasn't said anything at all today. But, since we got past ox-urine to discussion of suspicions, neither have Finn the Squinter, Chief Mursi, Patrekr the Red, Lefsi Red-Shirt, Sigrid, Chlodochar, or Petr Half-Troll (and Baulf, before Helga called him out).

I'm not going to be a Helga-apologist, but I don't see anything particularly special about Dagstyrr compared to anyone else who hasn't said anything recently, and Helga obviously had certain people but not others in mind when making her contribution.

I apologize for limited participation, the Red-Shirt clan hosted Thanksgiving today and has been very busy. I promise to be much more invested tomorrow and get a vote in. From what I've followed, though, I haven't seen much other than a few posts that have stuck out that have already been talked about.

[Piratedave84]

So you think you were left off the list to keep suspicion off of you? Thanks for letting us know that we should pay attention to you, and that you have nothing much to add otherwise, including votes.

Huh... Yes because that makes a lot of sense. People, look over here, My scum buddies left me out of their list but here I am, outing myself!!

[Piratedave84]

Oh, I see... I think.

You mean those two?

Pudding-Head said that "half of us haven't said very much so far"... That doesn't sound very selective. Do you think that his mentioning Baulf and Sigrid was just to keep us distracted so that we don't look too closely at the rest of the list?

As for Jarni's list, who else should have been there in your opinion?

I've addressed Jami's list; I started to write a post then RL intervened and I finished it much later. During that time Jami posted the list.

As for Helga's, It appears that in my rush to try and post something, I have mixed certain posts and came to wrong conclusions.

I still think that the initial list from Helga is very arbitrary in that it targets 2-3 people out of 6-7 low posters at the time.

Helga's dropping of the argument between Dufa and her is also striking me as odd; when have these two n

[def]

Huh... Yes because that makes a lot of sense. People, look over here, My scum buddies left me out of their list but here I am, outing myself!!

I know, it's so stupid! You went to the whole effort of appearing townie by letting us know, but you just put the spotlight on yourself. Bad play, scumbo!

[Piratedave84]

God damned cursed phone!

When have these two stepped back from an argument before?

I know, it's so stupid! You went to the whole effort of appearing townie by letting us know, but you just put the spotlight on yourself. Bad play, scumbo!

Sure! that's what a scumbo would do, you would know right?

[Hinckley]

Sure! that's what a scumbo would do, you would know right?

For the last year at least. We're over it. You should move on too.

I don't understand everyone's fixation with low posters either. How often does the lynch of an inactive player produce a Scum? We should be paying attention to people who carefully tread along a center line. However, trying to get people to focus on the inactive could be a good distraction technique for the Scum to employ.

[def]

Helga's dropping of the argument between Dufa and her is also striking me as odd; when have these two n

I would like to think that Helga is capable of being reasonable, once in a blue moon.

[WhiteFang]

Tumi, duh, I didn't realise I am in your bingo book. To add on, first day is quite unpredictable to be able to secure success in our day conviction, but that does not mean that we are unable to fend for ourselves to win this right. Just that we need to spend a little more efforts to find out what are the similar history that we can based on. I am not referring to the taboo metagaming thingy.

[Waterbrick Down]

It appears as if Mist is a good suspect at this time. While I agree that Jarni's comparison of her tactics to those of a Paris (beautiful village, I'd loot it any time) Shawty was not perfect, her response seemed to be a little too defensive. She tries blame to Jarni twice, accusing him of mincing words. At the end, she seems flustered. She gets to the point where she says "I don’t want to waste time roleplaying, but heck, let’s go for it if it means you’ll leave me alone." Not long after this, she runs off and says "I don't want to be throwing stones at people" after tossing a few in Jarni's direction.

Perhaps I'm misinterpreting things, but I see it as being overkill for a single post that challenges what she’s saying. Based off the information I have, I’m going to Vote: Mist (Mencot).

I'm with Chlodochar, Mist was way to eager to attack Jarni's credibility as opposed to the validity of Jarni's accusations. I'm not so much on the idea that Mist was studying this Paris figure, so much as simply exhibiting the same behavior, i.e. attempting to appear agreeable and active. That said, his assault on his accuser in addition to his rapid back-pedaling as it concerns actually throwing a stone, gives me enough confidence to Vote: Mist (Mencot) for the time being.

Now Petr, must we continue these petty squabblings with such more important work to do?

[Hinckley]

I've addressed Jami's list; I started to write a post then RL intervened and I finished it much later. During that time Jami posted the list.

As for Helga's, It appears that in my rush to try and post something, I have mixed certain posts and came to wrong conclusions.

I still think that the initial list from Helga is very arbitrary in that it targets 2-3 people out of 6-7 low posters at the time.

Helga's dropping of the argument between Dufa and her is also striking me as odd; when have these two n

Why are you and Kolgrima suggesting that I needed to list every inactive player? I never said Baulf was suspicious, I said he has been useless in the past. I'm tired of him not participating because it always allows the Scum a free lynch. As for Sigrid, his narrative post was so annoying, I wanted to see what else we'd be getting from him and why he would post in such a way after having played before. Focusing on the inactive is not the way to win this. Yes, it's important to get people talking and poke people out of their silence. There may even be one Scum who is lazy enough not to participate but the focus should be on people's behavior, not their post count.

Or you and your Scum team can continue to try and distract us with the inactive players.