Ragnarök Now Redux - Day One

[CMP]

Sigrid found herself a piece of paper and began to write.

What exactly am I supposed to do? I don't see any evidence to convict anyone at this time. It's the first day. Give me some evidence and I'll be of more use.

That's not how it works this early on. You have to think for yourself. Examine people's statements, look at their reactions if you want to find somebody to vote for. If you're going to just sit and wait until somebody hands you evidence before doing anything, you're not helping the town.

[TrumpetKing]

Tumi crumples up a piece of parchment and throws it at Sigrid

How about you read what's been going on andlook at the other people being accused instead of noticing Mist has more votes and casting a vote?

[Palathadric]

Now I wasn't here for the last Ragnarok; but I know some of you vikings were--so, do those vikings know anything that could help us here? How did the Servants of Loki act during the first Ragnarok? It's very possible there will be similarities, in some regard to the first Ragnarok.

Finally, someone like Naemr is talking some sense here. Sad enough, I don't think we have any concrete information to sniff those scummy scums out...

If you think he's speaking sense and that if we look at the last Ragnarok it will help us find the servants of Loki this time around, why don't you provide him with the information he wants? You were at the last Ragnarok, were you not?

Perhaps Sigrid is going to take advantage of this lack of speech in an effort to fly under the radar.

That would not seem unlike her from what I've seen of her "playing."

Neither what Naemr nor Mist has said sits well with me; it's silly to suggest that this second redux'd Ragnarok shares similarities with the first, apart from certain einherjar who are back to get some more, you know what I mean?

So to wind up the most use of words Jarni use in Ragnarok so far, I'm willing to give Naemr a little slack for saying what I (and Janice) would call a "Day One" statement, so my suspcion mostly points at Mist, whose words suggest she may have been studying scummy scummo behaviour to learn some lessons for Ragnarok.

May I just ask why you select Naemr and Mist and not Wilhalm? I know he didn't say the "wisest" word, but he said more or less the same thing.

Huh... Yes because that makes a lot of sense. People, look over here, My scum buddies left me out of their list but here I am, outing myself!!

And you think a loyal Einharjar would do it...why exactly?

You're weird, are you asking to be lynched?

[LegoDad]

Bad memory?

It's much more than semantics. Wilhalm was the first to reply to Naemr. No one else had commented on his statement yet, so how can he be defending what he said? Defending from what or whom?

After looking back at it, yes, I obviously do have a bad short term memory . He was stating they were acting weird, my issue with Wilhalm was more definitive with his "defense". I could also call it someone backing up his buddy as much as a defense. Does that sound better?

I never said you were doing it the wrong way. You just haven't been very vocal, which you did explain, and then suddenly came out of the blue with a vote for Wilhalm when you were just talking about Chocolate (I think that's his name).

Mist is suspicious, but I worry that she's just having a hard time communicating, like she normally does. Chlodochar is somebody I feel much more comfortable voting for under the current situation with his forced vote, but Lefsi and Petr are both close behind on my suspicions.

Oh, and Sigrid for not providing reason for her vote, but I feel like we have better options out there.

Vote: Chlodochar (Captain Genaro)

I brought up reasons for a few people in that post, Chlodochar just happened to be the last one as his post was the most recent. Looking back, I definitely gave the best case to vote for Naemr, but since one was a defense"r" and one a defense"e", they are pretty much on an even keel with me right now.

In light of Mist's totally baffling posts, I'm thinking he's actually just struggling to communicate with us, rather than dupe us. I don't read him as town, but the scum reading is not so strong.

Unvote: Mist (Mencot)

This pings me hard. I was thinking about Chrocdahr for his lazy vote, but this is a very standard scum tactic: Don't vote for the leading vote-getter and make a point of letting people know about it. No blood on their hands, and it becomes a defence later on.

Vote: Lefsi (Legodad)

Later on in the day, I am willing to change my vote, depending on whether a lynch can be reached or not. I think it's crucial we get a lynch.

I will give you that I have a hard time getting some things across since I don't get into these games of life very often, and for that, I'm sure I come up on scum-dar often, but had I made it a point to hide in the votes, I wouldn't have mentioned my motives. Would you rather I just put in a vote for the current vote getter? Then I'm bandwagoning. I've mentioned more than once that I had no problem with voting for any of the 4 that I brought up points against. I will vote for what helps Town the best, and piling on Mist at this point doesn't do a whole lot at this point. I'm not hiding anything and have no reason to.

[Piratedave84]

Mist is suspicious, but I worry that she's just having a hard time communicating, like she normally does. Chlodochar is somebody I feel much more comfortable voting for under the current situation with his forced vote, but Lefsi and Petr are both close behind on my suspicions.

In light of Mist's totally baffling posts, I'm thinking he's actually just struggling to communicate with us, rather than dupe us. I don't read him as town, but the scum reading is not so strong.

Unvote: Mist (Mencot)

This pings me hard. I was thinking about Chrocdahr for his lazy vote, but this is a very standard scum tactic: Don't vote for the leading vote-getter and make a point of letting people know about it. No blood on their hands, and it becomes a defence later on.

Vote: Lefsi (Legodad)

What in the? How can this happen?

You cross posted and echoed EXACTLY the same thoughts.

Is it not a bit early to have conversations in the background? Unless ... It takes place on a writeboard.

I'm going to vote: Sigrid (sisco)

For a) saying nothing of value b) popping in and voting while blatantly saying he has not bothered to read/try to understand the conversation and c) finally ending up just retracting his vote.

I know my behaviour today is/was odd. It was intentional. I tried a risky move of making a call for people to scrutinize me; I wanted to see who would pounce. Today's reactions lead me to the following conclusions.

1) those who actively sought me out and scrutinized me the most are likely to be town

2) those who let te attention flow towards me and did not address my statements are likely to be scum or neutral; my comments drew attention away from them.

Make no mistake, I am a member of the Einherjar and although my actions were odd, the intention has ways been to try to root out servants of Loki.

*has always been

[Palathadric]

I don´t have anything on but I would like to hear from those who haven´t said much all day (And I don´t mean that those would be scum but some could be)

This sounds very odd coming right after this:

Or you and your Scum team can continue to try and distract us with the inactive players.

Seriously, Mist, what were you thinking?

I'd rather cast out a feeler vote, just to see what happens.

Vote: Snotra Carrotface / Scubacarrot

I know that this is a thing that you seem to do often, but could you not have tried to at least vote where something is happening. We have suspicions on people like Wilhalm, Mist, Naemr, Petr, etc, and you chose to cast just a feeler vote? I understand that maybe you weren't suspicious of Mist, but did you think your vote would really get anywhere helpful for us townies with no real case to back it up? Surely you can find someone actually suspicious thus far so that you needn't waste your vote on a case that doesn't seem like it will lead us anywhere today.

[MagPiesRUs]

Vote Count

Mist (Mencot): 4 votes (Hinckley, Captain Genaro, Waterbrick Down, Rick)

Wilhalm Bloodaxe (WhiteFang): 2 votes (Kristel, LegoDad)

Petr Half-Troll (Piratedave84): 2 votes (Captain Nemo, jamesn)

Sigrid (Sisco): 2 votes (CallMePie, Piratedave84)

Naemr Sledgehammer (Captain Nemo): 1 vote (Scubacarrot)

Jarni Child-Sparer (jamesn): 1 vote (fhomess)

Snotra Carrotface (Scubacarrot): 1 vote (Bob)

Kolgrima the Deep-Minded (Kristel): 1 vote (Fugazi)

Chlodochar (Captain Genaro): 1 vote (Trumpetking)

Lefsi Red-Shirt (LegoDad): 1 vote (def)

12 votes are required to convict. 19 hours remain.

[Hinckley]

Sigrid found herself a piece of paper and began to write.

What exactly am I supposed to do? I don't see any evidence to convict anyone at this time. It's the first day. Give me some evidence and I'll be of more use.

You're expecting someone to give you evidence? There's not a lot of "evidence" in this game. Anything that is comes in the form of Night Action results and those can't always be made public. You have to participate. You have to look at all the activity that has occurred today and form some sort of people one people's behavior. You have to listen and respond in return, not be silent. There's a significant amount to base a vote on. I agree with Baulf and Canute, you can't hide behind your character trait.

What the hell? I meant "some sort of opinion on people's behavior."

[jimmynick]

May I just ask why you select Naemr and Mist and not Wilhalm? I know he didn't say the "wisest" word, but he said more or less the same thing.

Naemr and Mist stood out; Wilhalm didn't. Especially because of how Mist phrased her response to Naemr's post.

[Palathadric]

Looking over the list, I have a hard time determining who to vote for. So many darn suspicious people. Personally, I have a hard time believing that there is more than one scum in the Naemr, Wilhalm, and Mist group. I just can't see scum doing something like that. Of course, all three of them are still high on my suspect list, and I think Wilhalm is presently the highest, due to the few things that I have pointed out and by his general lack of saying anything useful or seeming to pay very much attention at all. However, again, this is just too normal for him, so I'm left not knowing what to think.

With the recent pressure from Rurik, Lefsi seems to be floundering hard.

You make it sound like you don't want to bandwagon because that's something Servants of Loki would do, and you would like to avoid looking like one... which doesn't convince me you aren't one in the first place.

This pings me hard. I was thinking about Chrocdahr for his lazy vote, but this is a very standard scum tactic: Don't vote for the leading vote-getter and make a point of letting people know about it. No blood on their hands, and it becomes a defence later on.

Both of these statements, I think, give me enough reason to vote: Lefsi Red-Shirt (LegoDad).

I would vote for Sigrid, but her behaviour is not any different from what I'd expect of her , kind of like Baulf or Wilhalm...only more annoying.

[TrumpetKing]

19 hours left and the votes are scattered way off.

Petr , you sure like to tell us you're loyal, don't you? And I'm confused by your statement. The few people who pursued a case on you are town and the ones who didn't are scum? You say this every game yet don't elaborate on it. Can you explain?

You also say Dufa and I must be scumbuddies because we cross-posted, which you acknowledged yourself. How does it make sense if we crossposted? Regardless, don't you think if we were scum together we'd at least be more careful about what we say? Dufa's not exactly an inexperienced God, or Godless, that is, and I'd hope he wouldn't think that was a smart idea. That doesn't make sense either way because by your logic of pursuing you, then I'm town, and if I recall Dufa's actions correctly, he'd be town too. So does that mean we're scumtown? I'm confused by everything you say pretty much.

[Piratedave84]

Way to misinterpret and twisty words.

What I said is that those who pursued a case against me are more likely to be town hunting scum and that people who let that happen are likely to be scum; do you not agree?

I know you cross posted but that was not my point; you and Dufa said the EXACT same thing at the EXACT same time. I was pointing out it was odd; you chose to ignore that statement and are trying to confuse us because you made a blunder.

[LegoDad]

Looking over the list, I have a hard time determining who to vote for. So many darn suspicious people. Personally, I have a hard time believing that there is more than one scum in the Naemr, Wilhalm, and Mist group. I just can't see scum doing something like that. Of course, all three of them are still high on my suspect list, and I think Wilhalm is presently the highest, due to the few things that I have pointed out and by his general lack of saying anything useful or seeming to pay very much attention at all. However, again, this is just too normal for him, so I'm left not knowing what to think.

With the recent pressure from Rurik, Lefsi seems to be floundering hard.

Both of these statements, I think, give me enough reason to vote: Lefsi Red-Shirt (LegoDad).

I would vote for Sigrid, but her behaviour is not any different from what I'd expect of her , kind of like Baulf or Wilhalm...only more annoying.

You claim Wilhalm, the person I voted to lynch, is the highest on your list of scum, and then vote to lynch me? This makes no damn sense.

Also, talking semantics with Rurik is hardly floundering. I have backed up any question posed my way, not sure how that makes me scum.

[def]

I know you cross posted but that was not my point; you and Dufa said the EXACT same thing at the EXACT same time. I was pointing out it was odd;

I have never played with Mist. Tumi has. Would you like me to post the PM I got from Tumi letting me know that Mist is Finnish, so English is probably not his first language?

[TrumpetKing]

Way to misinterpret and twisty words.

What I said is that those who pursued a case against me are more likely to be town hunting scum and that people who let that happen are likely to be scum; do you not agree?

I know you cross posted but that was not my point; you and Dufa said the EXACT same thing at the EXACT same time. I was pointing out it was odd; you chose to ignore that statement and are trying to confuse us because you made a blunder.

I'm not twisting your words at all. That explanation does help but why can't there be scum that went after you either? Why does everybody that looked into you have to be town? You're being rather broad.

Yes, and we cross posted. Your point is? Are two people not allowed to say similar things? And we just so happened to say it at the same time, which is something unpredictable. I'm not ignoring your statements either.

And in case it wasn't clear, as we cross posted again, yes, I did message him saying Mist was Finnish. I thought it was fairly clear she didn't understand English that well but whatever.

[Hinckley]

Six people still haven't voted, 10 people are being voted for and 12 votes are needed for a conviction. With everything that has happened today, we have to have at least one Scum in the cross-hairs. Perhaps that's why the votes are so scattered. I think it's important to reach a conviction. There are a lot of people reading this thread. Let's practice getting our acts together so this doesn't happen on Day Two. If you're reading this thread right now, look at the people being voted for and post who you think is the Scummiest. Even if you've already voted, look at all of the cases and choose the most suspicious.

I'm looking everything over now.

[def]

For me, lefsi, Sigrid, and Crocodyr are pinging hardest.

[CorneliusMurdock]

I know my behaviour today is/was odd. It was intentional. I tried a risky move of making a call for people to scrutinize me; I wanted to see who would pounce. Today's reactions lead me to the following conclusions.

1) those who actively sought me out and scrutinized me the most are likely to be town

2) those who let te attention flow towards me and did not address my statements are likely to be scum or neutral; my comments drew attention away from them.

Make no mistake, I am a member of the Einherjar and although my actions were odd, the intention has ways been to try to root out servants of Loki.

*has always been

I find this hard to believe. The dude acts weird intentionally to see who all calls him out on it? This sounds less like a plan and more like someone trying to explain away scum-nervousness to me. Let's massage the egos of those accusing me and hope that they ignore that I'm still all jittery and stuff...

Of those with votes, I think this dude is the one I think is scummiest:

Vote: Petr Half-Troll (Piratedave84)

Wilhalm doesn't seem abnormal to me but I do hope that he speaks up more like he had been doing in recent situations.

I'd like to get to know how Mist acts a bit before rushing to judge her. I still don't feel like language barriers can explain every doubt away but I'm willing to see what she does at this point.

Sigrid just seems like a lazybones that shouldn't have been let into Valhalla in the first place. But she'd better learn quick to do more than just stand around.

[Palathadric]

You claim Wilhalm, the person I voted to lynch, is the highest on your list of scum, and then vote to lynch me? This makes no damn sense.

I think it was pretty clear that I meant that he was my highest suspect in that group, but if not then it should be now.

Suspicions: Lefsi, Group of Three (The more I think about it, the more I think they might just be a group of ill-fitting townies thrown together though, by their own ideas of how the town should be playing), Petr, Kolgrima

[Hinckley]

For me, lefsi, Sigrid, and Crocodyr are pinging hardest.

Oh, these names. Very clever! Of course, no offense, God, but the names... It's hard to sort through all of this.

Anyway, why Dufa why? What pings you about them?

[CMP]

I find this hard to believe. The dude acts weird intentionally to see who all calls him out on it? This sounds less like a plan and more like someone trying to explain away scum-nervousness to me. Let's massage the egos of those accusing me and hope that they ignore that I'm still all jittery and stuff...

I'm inclined to agree with you here....especially considering the day's not even over yet. Giving up on your plan so soon, Petr?

I still want to see if I can provoke some sort of response (an ACTUAL response) from Sigrid. Other than she and Petr, I'll admit I haven't been following these arguments (all ten dozen of them) too closely to form any real suspicions yet. Discussions on Day One usually lead to dead ends or mislynches, so I try not to put a ton of stock by them, but there's not much else to do 'til it's over besides looking back at them.

[Fugazi]

There were a couple of things I wanted to point out:

• Whether or not he was active or around was not a factor in my vote. It was what he said and how he said it.
  
• I am wary of Helga. My gut is telling me not to trust her, so this may subconsciously have been a factor.
  
• The reason I raised Dagstyrr has already been discussed. I don't consider him a suspect and made this clear early on. It is Helga and Jarni (and now you, I guess), that keep bringing up Dagstyrr. I just wanted to hear from Helga about it.
  

My initial feelings remain, but considering that vote consolidation is required sooner or later I may need to rethink my vote.

Joining the bandwagon IS something a Servant would do. I never said I didn't want to vote for her and made it clear I was open to changing votes if need be. To answer your question, yes, I do find Wilhalm more odd than Chlodochar as Chlodochar hasn't done much other than vote. Had it not been pointed out, I might not have taken note of it.

Your explanations do seem to hold up. Initially it appeared to me like you had a stronger case in Chlodochar yet you chose to vote Wilhalm. You're right in that sometimes it's not what you do, but how you do it that will draw suspicions.

I know my behaviour today is/was odd. It was intentional. I tried a risky move of making a call for people to scrutinize me; I wanted to see who would pounce. Today's reactions lead me to the following conclusions.

1) those who actively sought me out and scrutinized me the most are likely to be town

2) those who let te attention flow towards me and did not address my statements are likely to be scum or neutral; my comments drew attention away from them.

I'm not sure of what you have achieved here. Would you like to draw up a list of Einherjar vs Loki/neutral according to your test so that the findings are shared with the rest of us?

[Bob]

Unvote: Snotra Carrotface / Scubacarrot

Vote: Sigrid (Sisco)

I don't think I've really seen anyone more useless. You're not even talking, you haven't said anything useful, you haven't even voted yet.

[CMP]

Alrighty then, I've compiled a few things that stuck out to me.

It appears as if Mist is a good suspect at this time. While I agree that Jarni's comparison of her tactics to those of a Paris (beautiful village, I'd loot it any time) Shawty was not perfect, her response seemed to be a little too defensive. She tries blame to Jarni twice, accusing him of mincing words. At the end, she seems flustered. She gets to the point where she says "I don’t want to waste time roleplaying, but heck, let’s go for it if it means you’ll leave me alone." Not long after this, she runs off and says "I don't want to be throwing stones at people" after tossing a few in Jarni's direction.

Perhaps I'm misinterpreting things, but I see it as being overkill for a single post that challenges what she’s saying. Based off the information I have, I’m going to Vote: Mist (Mencot).

Well, if it appears that way, I guess that's as good a reason as any to condemn her to death. Yeah, I was suspicious of Mist at the time too, but you don't suspect somebody because they appear to be a good suspect. What the sheep?

I'm with Chlodochar, Mist was way to eager to attack Jarni's credibility as opposed to the validity of Jarni's accusations. I'm not so much on the idea that Mist was studying this Paris figure, so much as simply exhibiting the same behavior, i.e. attempting to appear agreeable and active. That said, his assault on his accuser in addition to his rapid back-pedaling as it concerns actually throwing a stone, gives me enough confidence to Vote: Mist (Mencot) for the time being.

I'm surprised nobody seemed to notice this? Wary's reasoning is sound but the person he's agreeing with and quoting is Chloe (I'm not typing that out), who did the exact same thing with Jarni. Why out of everybody looking at Mist at the time, did you choose the big friggin' sheep to agree with? Was it the most recent post at the time and you just wanted to look active? Were you just lending support to a scummy pal and trying to nudge him into the crowd of the people that're actually trying to figure things out?

I tend to think she's scum, yes, and she's been town every game I've seen her in to my memory, so I'm not quite sure if I want to risk voting for her.

What??

What a long few days, I've been able to keep up with most of the conversation though unable to say anything myself until now. Now I'm looking at the voting pattern so far (not much to go on, as we know day one is), and it sorta feels like a bandwagon forming already. I'm not saying Mist is innocent or not, I haven't decided for myself yet, but just thought I'd mention my current observation though it isn't much. Honestly I can't really say anyone has particularly "pinged" me so far. Still 32ish hours left as I write this, and I'm still trying to figure out who might be a Servant of Loki, but I'm confident that at least one will slip up soon.

I'm glad you spoke up to say you haven't said anything and won't say anything until someone actually following what's going on points out some vital evidence for you to vote along with, but it's not likely, so just go ahead and jump on whatever smaller bandwagon suits your fancy in the last few hours of the day to make up your contribution for today.

[Darkdragon]

I'm glad you spoke up to say you haven't said anything and won't say anything until someone actually following what's going on points out some vital evidence for you to vote along with, but it's not likely, so just go ahead and jump on whatever smaller bandwagon suits your fancy in the last few hours of the day to make up your contribution for today.

That's not what I said at all. I won't jump on any bandwagons, I make up my own mind and post my reasoning, as always. Didn't realize I should do it on your schedule.