Scorpiox Posted December 31, 2013 Posted December 31, 2013 "I've been clan leader for a matter of only months, yet I already know a damn sight more about our situation than these crusty idiots. Yet they refuse to see all reason I put forth. Claim the bridge, kill what few humans are around it now, make a statement. That'll give the Kingdoms something to think about. If we don't give them a show of force, they won't be scared, but we don't follow through, they'll just think we're weak. Show off our power, and use it. And when all's said and done, we make a nice tidy profit off anyone wanting to pass into Baltarok. No war, only a little bloodshed, and money in our pockets." Bastala slides one narrow arm around Haldor's shoulders. "Now you tell me that's not at least twice as smart as whatever the other clan leaders are suggesting." Haldor influences Bastala Chaotically and guesses that she is chaotic good. "Damn right. Glad to hear some sense being spoken for once, you seem to realise that it's possible to not just go all-in all the time, keep things back in reserve. People I've dealt with, recently on a ship over just these days past, our captain seemed to think you're either with someone or against them. Black and white tactics. But the world ain't like that. You know what you're doing, you actually get how to plan a show. From where I'm standing right here, you should be in charge. I'd rather you than some battle-hungry war-mongering brute like Marga over there. Better than twice what her head's bringing to the table, better to look at too." He breathed deeply as the orc wrapped a slender arm around him. "There anything you can't do, my lady?"
Capt.JohnPaul Posted December 31, 2013 Posted December 31, 2013 "In fully prepared, do you mean soldiers?" Alexandre starts getting into a more CHAOTIC mood. He guesses TRUE NEUTRAL for now.
Masked Builder Posted December 31, 2013 Posted December 31, 2013 Alexis influnces Gor Chaotically and guesses Chaotic Good. "Sometimes it is better to talk things out than fight. Dead beings is a last resort."
CMP Posted January 1, 2014 Author Posted January 1, 2014 (edited) Round Four of Aggressive Negotiations Guts influences Helrak in an Evil way Guts influences Jaret Chaotically Guts guesses Jaret is Chaotic Neutral Thormanil influences Tarvalk in an Evil way Thormanil influences Tarvalk in an Evil way Thormanil guesses Tarvalk is Chaotic Evil Dyric influences Garohn Lawfully Dyric guesses Garohn is Lawful Neutral Alexis influences Gor Chaotically Alexandre influences Helrak Chaotically Alexandre guesses Helrak is True Neutral Haldor influences Bastala Chaotically Haldor guesses Bastala is Chaotic Good Everyone influenced Chaotically Jaret is Chaotic Neutral Bastala is Chaotic Good All other guesses Incorrect Current Atmosphere: Good Bastala: Chaotic Good Garohn: True Neutral (Current Guess: Lawful Neutral) General Gor: Chaotic Neutral (Current Guess: Chaotic Good) Helrak: Chaotic Neutral (Current Guess: True Neutral) Jaret: Chaotic Neutral Karstaal: True Neutral Marga: Neutral Evil Tarknal: Lawful Neutral Tarvalk: Chaotic Evil I influence Garohn Lawfully, guess Lawful Neutral. Of course, of course. Yet this decision in particular could easily effect your culture, your way of live. If someone like Marga had their way, there would be war, a war that could potentially tear Baltarok apart. Would that not be a threat to your kind? "It is not my place to question the decisions of the clan leaders. If there is war, so be it. I would fight with loyalty and honor." Guts influences Jaret Chaotically, guess Chaotic Neutral. "Hostile words, but I can't help but notice that you didn't answer my implied question. What organization?" "If I really meant any harm to you, I'd simply let my tongue slip on how Heroica got its start." Jaret returned to Karstaal's side. "With that advantage on my side, I won't hide my affiliations. The Order of the Crimson Crown saved my life, and for that I am in eternal debt to them, and I would bear their name proudly." The adviser turned his head away, now ignoring Guts and focusing on the discussion at hand. "Damn right. Glad to hear some sense being spoken for once, you seem to realise that it's possible to not just go all-in all the time, keep things back in reserve. People I've dealt with, recently on a ship over just these days past, our captain seemed to think you're either with someone or against them. Black and white tactics. But the world ain't like that. You know what you're doing, you actually get how to plan a show. From where I'm standing right here, you should be in charge. I'd rather you than some battle-hungry war-mongering brute like Marga over there. Better than twice what her head's bringing to the table, better to look at too." He breathed deeply as the orc wrapped a slender arm around him. "There anything you can't do, my lady?" "Few things are outside my realm of expertise. My knowledge on the men of the North, for example, is sorely lacking...perhaps once you've finished your mission here in Baltarok, you'd have the time to visit my palace in Vim-Lhzar. I'd be quite appreciative to get to know your kind better...particularly from one so observant and charming as yourself." Bastala winked and smiled in delight once more, reaching for her goblet before realizing it was empty. She rolled her eyes slightly. "Excuse me for a moment, I need to instruct Cerisea on where to get more of this delectable drink..." She leaned over to the quiet mercenary and began speaking quietly. "In fully prepared, do you mean soldiers?" Alexandre starts getting into a more CHAOTIC mood. He guesses TRUE NEUTRAL for now. "Yes, but there's also the food, water, and supplies needed to ensure those soldiers are prepared, no matter what may happen." "Sometimes it is better to talk things out than fight. Dead beings is a last resort." Gor cackled low once again. "To you. In Goblo-na, it is fight, or it is die. No talk. No argue. Fight. Or die. Dead enemy only way to keep your-self al-ive." Edited January 2, 2014 by CallMePie
swils Posted January 1, 2014 Posted January 1, 2014 Thormanil snaps back, and influences Tarvalk lawfully. "Surely you can't mean to charge through the kingdoms, though? You sounded sensible enough when I thought you planned to take and hold the bridge. I have to hand it to Karstaal, he's right about the war of attrition." Guess Tarvalk - True Neutral Guess Karstaal - Neutral Good.
Scubacarrot Posted January 1, 2014 Posted January 1, 2014 Swils, I don't think the beholder's eye would have helped, as it reruns a round with the same exact actions, just different (rolled) outcomes. Same negotiations order. Guts influences Helrak evilly, then lawfully. Same order.
Capt.JohnPaul Posted January 1, 2014 Posted January 1, 2014 (edited) Alexandre influences Helrack Lawfully twice and guesses Helrack to be Lawful Neutral. Edited January 1, 2014 by Capt.JohnPaul
Scubacarrot Posted January 1, 2014 Posted January 1, 2014 CJP, make sure you influence Helrak (lawfully) as well.
CMP Posted January 1, 2014 Author Posted January 1, 2014 Alexandre influences Helrack Lawfully twice and guesses Helrack to be Lawful Neutral. You can't guess his alignment until the current guess has been tested.
Masked Builder Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 Alexis influces Gor in a Good way. "Fight or die? Seems rather narrow minded, but you have survived for a long time. It must work in some way."
swils Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 (edited) Is Gor lawful or chaotic neutral right now? The chart and following text don't match up. Also, Masked, you're going to push Gor out of the spectrum again due to the atmosphere. Pie, hopefully you'll take a conditional action: Unless Alexis' action changes, Thormanil uses his second action to influence Gor in an evil way. Updated below. Edited January 2, 2014 by swils
CMP Posted January 2, 2014 Author Posted January 2, 2014 (edited) Is Gor lawful or chaotic neutral right now? The chart and following text don't match up. Also, Masked, you're going to push Gor out of the spectrum again due to the atmosphere. Pie, hopefully you'll take a conditional action: Whoops. The chart is right, he's Chaotic Neutral right now. I'll run the round in the morning. If anyone wants to give Dyric an action in case Legonator doesn't show by then, that'd be good. Edited January 2, 2014 by CallMePie
Scubacarrot Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 Why don't you make it so Garohn's guess can be tested, Scorpiox.
Scorpiox Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 "Few things are outside my realm of expertise. My knowledge on the men of the North, for example, is sorely lacking...perhaps once you've finished your mission here in Baltarok, you'd have the time to visit my palace in Vim-Lhzar. I'd be quite appreciative to get to know your kind better...particularly from one so observant and charming as yourself." Bastala winked and smiled in delight once more, reaching for her goblet before realizing it was empty. She rolled her eyes slightly. "Excuse me for a moment, I need to instruct Cerisea on where to get more of this delectable drink..." She leaned over to the quiet mercenary and began speaking quietly. "Oh, I'd love to take you up on that. I guess you've got important business to handle right now, but I can see you later, right? It's been great talking with you." "It is not my place to question the decisions of the clan leaders. If there is war, so be it. I would fight with loyalty and honor." Haldor smiled one last time and turned to the nearest other leader. "But surely you'd rather fight for a cause you believed in, mate? Loyalty is one thing, but fightin' great wars on somebody else's whim and not knowin' why... that can't be what you want. You want to fight for the honour of your people, not for the hot-headedness of a couple of un-elected kings. Who could blame you for that?" He tries to influence Garohn chaotically.
Capt.JohnPaul Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 You can't guess his alignment until the current guess has been tested. OOC: What current guess? Aren't I the only one guessing?
Scubacarrot Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 Someone messed up with him before, so that guess still stands.
The Legonater Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 Sorry about that, been pretty busy the past couple days. I influence Garohn lawfully. War would devastate your people. Soldier or no, you have to realize that would not help your kind, if anything it would hinder it.
swils Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 (edited) I meant to suggest that Alexis simply not influence the General, that way the guess will get tested after the atmosphere shifts the mood. Sorry Masked, I should have been more clear on what to change your action to. For the sake of getting the round run, let's not change anymore actions except for this, to get Gor tested: Thormanil instead uses his second action to influence Gor in a good way. Edited January 2, 2014 by swils
CMP Posted January 2, 2014 Author Posted January 2, 2014 Round Five of Aggressive Negotiations Guts influences Helrak in an Evil way Guts influences Helrak Lawfully Thormanil influences Tarvalk Lawfully Thormanil guesses Tarvalk is True Neutral Thormanil guesses Karstaal is Neutral Good Thormanil influences Gor in a Good way Dyric influences Garohn Lawfully Alexis influences Gor in an Evil way Alexandre influences Helrak Lawfully Alexandre influences Helrak Lawfully Haldor influences Garohn Chaotically Everyone influenced in a Good way Karstaal is Neutral Good Helrak leaves the Clanmeet Tarvalk is not True Neutral Gor is not Chaotic Good Current Atmosphere: Lawful Bastala: Chaotic Good Garohn: Neutral Good (Current Guess: Lawful Neutral) General Gor: Chaotic Good Helrak: Chaotic Neutral Jaret: Chaotic Neutral Karstaal: Neutral Good Marga: Neutral Evil Tarknal: Lawful Neutral Tarvalk: True Neutral Thormanil snaps back, and influences Tarvalk lawfully. "Surely you can't mean to charge through the kingdoms, though? You sounded sensible enough when I thought you planned to take and hold the bridge. I have to hand it to Karstaal, he's right about the war of attrition." "I would not pass by a chance to free those of us still imprisoned or enslaved at the hands of the High Kingdoms. This bridge gives us the chance to put right all the wrongs they've inflicted on us. I intend to do so." "Fight or die? Seems rather narrow minded, but you have survived for a long time. It must work in some way." "Scchhh. Yes, yes. Gor knows how to surv-vive. Goblo-na harsh place. Gor is great-test. Great-test of the war-lords. He knows war. He knows fight. He will bring fight to hu-mans for Marg-ga, for all the orcs and the gob-blins and the ogres. What is fight without pur-pose? Empty kill-ling, Gor thinks." Haldor smiled one last time and turned to the nearest other leader. "But surely you'd rather fight for a cause you believed in, mate? Loyalty is one thing, but fightin' great wars on somebody else's whim and not knowin' why... that can't be what you want. You want to fight for the honour of your people, not for the hot-headedness of a couple of un-elected kings. Who could blame you for that?" "I believe in whatever cause the clan leaders see fit to fight for. We've followed their judgment for two and a half centuries, they've not yet led us astray." War would devastate your people. Soldier or no, you have to realize that would not help your kind, if anything it would hinder it. "If they see it as the only viable course, it's nobody place to second-guess them. Sometimes war is inevitable. I'd've thought someone from the High Kingdoms would know that best...no offense, of course." The ogre looks around at the heroes chatting with the clan leaders almost ceaselessly about war. He sighed tiredly, shaking his head, shuffling quietly out of the Clanmeet.
swils Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 Thormanil influences Tarvalk evilly "Wait, I musta missed somethin'. The High Kingdoms still have some of your brethren enslaved? I guess I can't really argue against takin' the fight to 'em, then." Guess Tarvalk - Lawful Evil
Scubacarrot Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 Seriously? CMP, this puzzle is just a thing (that can be solved methodically without any penalty) that some people don't get and is going to take a long time without anyone having fun in it. Can I just give the moves for the whole party to finish it. Guts growled at Alexandre: "If you don't know what you're doing, perhaps it's better you don't talk at all." The raider walks over to Garohn, and influences him evilly: "How did war work out for your people last time?" The raider rolled his eyes. These elves he brought were the absolute worst at Orcish diplomacy.
swils Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 I'll save most thoughts for post-quest, but I've got to agree, we're just getting sloppy now and I, at least, have exhausted my RP for the event, heh.
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