Ragnarök Now Redux - Nights (Players Only)

[Scubacarrot]

Only dumb people think I am scum. Only dumb scum try to make me out to be scum at this point.

Didn't say the investigator was scum, said it was a hell of a suspicious move to make.

[CorneliusMurdock]

You're insufferable.

But "suspicious" implies that you suspect him of something. If you don't suspect him of being scum, then why is another result convenient? What do you suspect him of being?

[CMP]

Only dumb people think I am scum. Only dumb scum try to make me out to be scum at this point.

How silly of me, I was expecting a response made up of logic.

[Scubacarrot]

I was told to be less terse. Know what, I am not going to.

If you REALLY suspect me. Like. REALLY, really suspect me. And you're not faking it because you're scum then what you are doing, is doing it wrong. I am more towniest than the towniest of the town could ever hope to be right now. Don't believe that? Too bad, you're bad. There are going to be people that don't read, don't pay attention, try to follow the players that are considered good (not to take away from those, I am terrible, I am just good at making it very clear I am town) just so that someday they might or might not get a silly little gun under their pretty little picture, by following the advice of people that know more than they do they try to appear to be knowing what they're doing. Screw that.

You're insufferable.

But "suspicious" implies that you suspect him of something. If you don't suspect him of being scum, then why is another result convenient? What do you suspect him of being?

Thanks.

If it's worth something, the reason I said it was tgreefold: One: this particular person has moved up on my suspicion list, and, two, if something happens, it's better this info is out in the open. Also I may or may not wanted to say it just so I could do an "I told you so" if it came to that.

How silly of me, I was expecting a response made up of logic.

That would just be ridiculous, come on.

Tgreefold/threefold, you know what I mean.

[CorneliusMurdock]

I appreciate that you felt you should share this information.

It's grating that you feel so above suspicion. And that every idea you have is solid gold. It's something else entirely the way you express it.

Maybe this attitude is fun for you. It's not that pleasant to others.

[Scubacarrot]

Maybe being condescending's fun for you, I am not judging you for it.

It's grating that you feel so above suspicion.

I am above suspicion though.

Well, logic'd dictate that. Given the facts, technically I guess I am not above suspicion. But I should be.

[CorneliusMurdock]

It's not condescension, it's exasperation.

[Scubacarrot]

Could have fooled me.

[MagPiesRUs]

Elsewhere in Asgard, Thor and his company were sleeping after a long day killing giants. It had been a tough few days, but Thor believed that they had finally cleansed the woods of the giant intruders.

Whilst his comrades camped on the river bank, Thor vowed to never get out of the boat, and instead slept there.

Silently, a giant emerged from the waters and peered into Thor's ship.

Quickly and quietly, he plucked the hammer Mjölnir from the sleeping Thor's grasp.

The giant was amazed that such a simple plan had worked. He slowly crept away into the darkness, confident that this prize would aid his kin in the coming war. It seemed as if Ragnarök was not far away...

[Bob]

Several things about this worry me.

Elsewhere in Asgard, Thor and his company were sleeping after a long day killing giants. It had been a tough few days, but Thor believed that they had finally cleansed the woods of the giant intruders.

Does this mean that Thor was preparing to return to us? He left to start the mafia, does his return signal the end of the mafia "game"?

The giant was amazed that such a simple plan had worked. He slowly crept away into the darkness, confident that this prize would aid his kin in the coming war. It seemed as if Ragnarök was not far away...

Then again, is this a way of extending the plot device of keeping Thor away from us?

[fhomess]

Well, logic'd dictate that. Given the facts, technically I guess I am not above suspicion. But I should be.

I don't quite get this either. Logic dictates that you're above suspicion? Your behavior certainly doesn't dictate it. Your behavior can pretty much be read either way. You haven't helped us identify a Servant yet. No one can make that claim. Your only claim to be beyond suspicion is an investigator result from an investigator you now suggest is suspicious. If the investigator is suspicious, then all of their results come under suspicion, too. Beyond which, the investigator result was reported as "Not a Servant", so you could still be the SK regardless. Until we know Dufa's alignment, I'm pretty well convinced that none of you are beyond suspicion, at which point that list will only change slightly.

[Scubacarrot]

You know, let me tell you a story. Mafia isn't all night actions and metagaming. I bet your mind is blown right now. There is also... logic! And behaviour analysis! Wow!

What reasons for suspecting me do you have? I will answer them all.

The result was not a servant. Correct. This result was given to the investigator according to himself for me, for investigating someone that died night 1, and for investigating the person that he did today, which is not Rurik. Likely the reasons this result is given this way is because of balance purposes for a day investigator, which is a good way of doing things.

So... I could still be neutral or a serial killer or whatever. I could be, and you have no way of checking, unless there is someone that can through tracking/rolecopping, but I doubt it. However, the same goes for everyone. We're clearly not gonna get any different results unless a scum is investigated. So saying I could still be the serial killer can be said about anyone, and using that as a way of justifying suspicion against me doesn't really make much sense, although it could definitely be a move a scum COULD make.

I hope that covers that, anything else?

[CMP]

Several things about this worry me.

Does this mean that Thor was preparing to return to us? He left to start the mafia, does his return signal the end of the mafia "game"?

Then again, is this a way of extending the plot device of keeping Thor away from us?

Alternatively, instead of asking these useless questions you've derived from pictures, you could make the best out of the time we have by doing what we're supposed to do and form suspicions and such to try and catch Servants.

[CorneliusMurdock]

It's behavior analysis that makes those that suspect you suspect you, Snotra. The result doesn't rule out that you're the SK but it's your behavior that makes people bring that fact up.

[fhomess]

Why so defensive over a simply little thing, Snotra? I merely said you're not beyond suspicion. If anything, your behavior tonight has raised suspicion towards you which was ebbing. You say you're beyond suspicion because you were investigated. You claimed it during the day and Naemr backed up that claim later. Despite your behavior, which as I said earlier can easily be read either way, that claim with the confirmation from someone I currently believe more readily suggested that it's probably legitimate.

Tonight, however, you start questioning the person who cleared you. So let's try to look at your suspicion logically and see what we can learn from it. I presume that Rurik was far more suspicious to you than the person that was investigated. Did the investigator give a reason for why they chose who they did instead? When did the investigator tell you about their result on you?

[Scubacarrot]

It's behavior analysis that makes those that suspect you suspect you, Snotra.

Nope. It's metagaming following players that are considered good.

Why so defensive over a simply little thing, Snotra? I merely said you're not beyond suspicion. If anything, your behavior tonight has raised suspicion towards you which was ebbing. You say you're beyond suspicion because you were investigated. You claimed it during the day and Naemr backed up that claim later. Despite your behavior, which as I said earlier can easily be read either way, that claim with the confirmation from someone I currently believe more readily suggested that it's probably legitimate.

Tonight, however, you start questioning the person who cleared you. So let's try to look at your suspicion logically and see what we can learn from it. I presume that Rurik was far more suspicious to you than the person that was investigated. Did the investigator give a reason for why they chose who they did instead? When did the investigator tell you about their result on you?

Defensive, maybe. I'm just annoyed by being questioned for dumb things while the obvious is right in front of people, but hey, slightly less than half the people are scum, so some have a great excuse, others... maybe not so much.

The investigator told me about my result yesterday during the day, first like there was someone else who was the investigator, later letting that wall down. The reason that was given to me would probably be a valid reason and I am not going to reveal that in the open, but it could also be a fabrication. I can't think of a reason for that to be done, except if they expected Rurik to possibly die (and they're scum together). However, it'd be an aweful lot of trickery just to trick little old me. Rurik was indeed more suspicious than the person that was investigated, and obviously still is.

It's behavior analysis that makes those that suspect you suspect you, Snotra. The result doesn't rule out that you're the SK but it's your behavior that makes people bring that fact up.

I said Nope, and I stand by that. But go on, analyse my behaviour. What of my behaviour could indicate I could be scum. There's nothing. Zero. Go do something useful with your time if you are town. Go have a drink, do something...

[CorneliusMurdock]

I think you're confusing yourself with someone that's actually helping us out instead of just being obnoxious.

[Bob]

Alternatively, instead of asking these useless questions you've derived from pictures, you could make the best out of the time we have by doing what we're supposed to do and form suspicions and such to try and catch Servants.

I'm sorry, I thought I was helping by pointing out something that I thought interesting and then examining it. Perhaps I should instead regurgitate what other people have said. Let me do that here:

"I think that Snotra isn't above suspicion simply because she was labeled as "not Servant of Loki", since she could still be a third neutral party. She shouldn't be acting all smug and arrogant."

Are you satisfied Canute? Did I meet your expectations?

[CMP]

I'm sorry, I thought I was helping by pointing out something that I thought interesting and then examining it.

Your definition of interesting sucks. It's completely irrelevant and doesn't help us period. But you're on the right track. Rather than gauge how much time we have left, try and find something you think interesting about A PLAYER and then examine THE PLAYER.

Are you satisfied Canute? Did I meet your expectations?

What the hell do you think? I've tried to get idiots like you and Dagstyrr off your lazy butts and helping us, but you're both so utterly and completely incapable of even acknowledging the fact that neither of you has done ANYTHING of ANY value AT ALL that it's not even worth it anymore. I sincerely hope you're scum. Or at least PRs. Then again, if that were the case you'd at least make an effort at looking like you're doing something of value.

[Palathadric]

What the hell do you think? I've tried to get idiots like you and Dagstyrr off your lazy butts and helping us, but you're both so utterly and completely incapable of even acknowledging the fact that neither of you has done ANYTHING of ANY value AT ALL that it's not even worth it anymore.

Umm...maybe you've spent too much time doing that. You've done little else in fact. Way to look helpful.

Maybe no one else sees it, but you've been hovering on my scumdar for sometime. I totally think Dagstyrr has to be either scum or the SK though. I would think to lean more towards scum . If he were the SK or town I think the scum would have seen his blatant unhelpfulness as a sign that he's hiding a role or something.

Blah, blah, blah

Man, I thought there was one scummo between you and Dufa, and for a while I was leaning more towards Dufa, then it kind of balanced out, now I tend to think it was you all along. Getting all arrogant because you know we lynched an Einherjar and you think you'll win in the morning? I sure hope we didn't lynch a loyal Einherjar, but I guess only the morning will tell us.

[CMP]

Maybe no one else sees it, but you've been hovering on my scumdar for sometime.

And you on mine. But at the very least I discuss things. I haven't pushed for any lynches (perhaps that will change...on a related note, where's Wilhalm been?) or made any big breakthroughs, but I contribute to discussion. In a way that's relevant. (ie, I'm looking for Servants, not wondering about a time limit that I've not once heard of any game having).

[Scubacarrot]

Man, I thought there was one scummo between you and Dufa, and for a while I was leaning more towards Dufa, then it kind of balanced out, now I tend to think it was you all along. Getting all arrogant because you know we lynched an Einherjar and you think you'll win in the morning? I sure hope we didn't lynch a loyal Einherjar, but I guess only the morning will tell us.

What the hell?

If you've constructed any of what I said as arrogance (except my statement that I am good at making clear I am town, which could be), you might need to check again what I said.

If you have any legit concerns, I'd be happy to adress them, instead you're making an idiot of yourself spewing nonsense.

I think you're confusing yourself with someone that's actually helping us out instead of just being obnoxious.

Because going after you makes it obnoxious. Because pulling scummy mediation moves is helpful.

[Darkdragon]

Why does it always have to come down to personal attacks and calling people idiots? No fun.

I am not scum or SK and I have been working for town as much as I can. Making pointless posts that are long, summarizing, or just keep attacking someone with echoes of what someone else said.... that's what you people apparently consider useful. That is a scum tactic so I hope the rest of town is paying attention to these jokers.

[Scubacarrot]

Why does it always have to come down to personal attacks and calling people idiots? No fun.

I am not scum or SK and I have been working for town as much as I can. Making pointless posts that are long, summarizing, or just keep attacking someone with echoes of what someone else said.... that's what you people apparently consider useful. That is a scum tactic so I hope the rest of town is paying attention to these jokers.

Who do you think is likely to be scum?

[Darkdragon]

Who do you think is likely to be scum?

I might mess up the names since I'm mobile ATM, but...

dufa (lynched I know but we don't result yet)

Helga

Snorta

patrekr

naemr (if dufa is not)