Ragnarök Now Redux - Day Two

[Darkdragon]

Well that's not completely true now is it, mr. Comic Sans. ROLL THE TAPE.

Strange...I don't see his initial post as comic sans but when I quote your post there is a comic sans font tag around Mursi's post.

No idea if Sigrid is scum or not, she hasn't said anything really. I have to agree with others from yesterday that if we'd have lynched her we would have no more data to look back to at all. As sad as it is to have so many of us dead today, I do think that the lynch of Petr will give us the most info to go by. Now is the time for some serious analysis of yesterday and I think we will find a scum slip-up in there.

Naemr is still under suspicion to me, though the mislynch of Petr does make me reconsider my thought processes from yesterday.

[Scubacarrot]

Strange...I don't see his initial post as comic sans but when I quote your post there is a comic sans font tag around Mursi's post.

Magic!

[Hinckley]

This is totally insane. 3 killers? For sure, we can definitely ascertain that there is an extreme high possibility of a town vigilante, scum killer and perhaps a serial killer. Yesterday conviction turned out to be a tragic as well. I can't imagine we lost so much townies in just the first day!

I'm very confused. I'm still unsure as to the death of Tumi. I'm also confused as to all the other deaths. Three night killers and one potential day killer (unless Tumi did something to warrant his death)

How can three killers possible be so confusing? It's standard in EB Mafia: vig, Scum kill, serial killer. Granted, there may be a second vig instead of a SK with this wacky god, but still. I don't understand your confusion, especially two veterans.

I'm a very busy Einherjar today. I'm doing what the Ancient Vikings referred to as "Moving into a new apartment". It's a Valhallan rite of passage. I wanted to mention that I was in contact with Kolgrima. We didn't have much chance to talk but she said she was suspicious of Jarni Child-Sparer. I don't have time to look over his posts until after voting starts so I wanted to give everyone as much time as possible to do so.

[Captain Nemo]

To both of you, but Naemr especially: what are your scum-lists at the moment? Mine was shattered overnight; I was sure Petr was scum, and I expected one more amongst Kolgrima, Mist and Chocolateface. But you two look like pretty good prospects now .

Well I was suspicious of Kolgrima, since she did not seem like her normal self, very jumpy; and therefore seemed off--though with her death she's obviously town. On Sigrid; I don't find her too scummy, rather more like a super lazy townie; granted, that's not much better.

I will say though that I am now suspicious of Sorta Carrotface for a few reasons; first, this morning her first words were "kill Mursi, kill Mursi"--and that's it. She had no reaction to the deaths of three Einherjars--whatsoever. Rather than see or even comment at all on what happened, she immediatly starts trying to form a lynch mob against Cheif Mursi. And secondly, her reasons for wanting Mursi dead seem ot be based only on a vendetta; and nothing else. She's very intent on getting Mursi lynched, but her basis for her claims are non-existant.

[CMP]

I wanted to mention that I was in contact with Kolgrima. We didn't have much chance to talk but she said she was suspicious of Jarni Child-Sparer. I don't have time to look over his posts until after voting starts so I wanted to give everyone as much time as possible to do so.

From a glance I see this.

As others have said already, are you really still confused? Petr obviously had some kind of vengeful ability which he used against Tumi. Are you merely trying to make conversation so as to stay out of the real scumhunting?

To both of you, but Naemr especially: what are your scum-lists at the moment? Mine was shattered overnight; I was sure Petr was scum, and I expected one more amongst Kolgrima, Mist and Chocolateface. But you two look like pretty good prospects now .

Maybe he just doesn't know Baulf or Wilhalm well enough to know this isn't terribly surprising from either of them, but I don't think that makes the good prospects for lynching, especially this early. We're not even twelve hours into the day yet.

*makes them good prospects

And secondly, her reasons for wanting Mursi dead seem ot be based only on a vendetta; and nothing else. She's very intent on getting Mursi lynched, but her basis for her claims are non-existant.

This isn't too terribly surprising from her either.

[CorneliusMurdock]

Well that's not completely true now is it, mr. Comic Sans. ROLL THE TAPE.

I don't get it. Why change the font? I guess I'm comical to you?

If other people agree with me, I can't help it. I never said "everyone change your vote to Petr!" I just stated my opinion. You can't see the difference? Townies state opinions. You posting quotes from other people about it doesn't prove anything.

[Scubacarrot]

You said what you said did not change anyone´s opinions, clearly it did.

Well I was suspicious of Kolgrima, since she did not seem like her normal self, very jumpy; and therefore seemed off--though with her death she's obviously town. On Sigrid; I don't find her too scummy, rather more like a super lazy townie; granted, that's not much better.

I will say though that I am now suspicious of Sorta Carrotface for a few reasons; first, this morning her first words were "kill Mursi, kill Mursi"--and that's it. She had no reaction to the deaths of three Einherjars--whatsoever. Rather than see or even comment at all on what happened, she immediatly starts trying to form a lynch mob against Cheif Mursi. And secondly, her reasons for wanting Mursi dead seem ot be based only on a vendetta; and nothing else. She's very intent on getting Mursi lynched, but her basis for her claims are non-existant.

Or you know, you can pay attention, read, but that´s difficult. So that´s okay. Go off now and play in the sand like the good sheep.

And don´t say things I say have no base. If you are too slow to lay the connections, that´s all on YOU. Cui bono. It´s that simple.

And comic sans is for scrubs. Look, my jokes aren´t funny, just ignore them, don´t waste everybody´s time by being quizzical about them. No one likes people that you have to explain jokes to, even if the jokes are bad.

[Rick]

Case in point: a bunch of people vote for Sigrid, and he makes it out to be a scum rush to save him, since he's so sure Sigrid is town (because...?). When even more people rush in to vote for Petr, did any bells go off that that might have been the scum vote to save Sigrid? If it did, I missed it. If it didn't, I think that might have been deliberate.

I still don't see what made Sigrid so scummy to a lot of people that they voted for her. I'm not saying I'm convinced she's an Einherjar, I just didn't get a good read on her at all from yesterday's events and I still wonder why some equated her stupidity with scumminess. What I did see was that she seemed like an easy lynch to some people who were voting for her. The people who we were being seriously scrutinised yesterday were all voting for Sigrid.

Of course it's possible Sigrid was being saved by her fellow Servants, but it's also possible that voting for both candidates went relatively slowly because they're both Einherjar and the Servants did not want to stick out by all hopping on one of the bandwagons. In that case, I doubt they had a clear preference on who would be lynched on day 1 and they probably spread their votes over the two candidates.

[jimmynick]

I wanted to mention that I was in contact with Kolgrima. We didn't have much chance to talk but she said she was suspicious of Jarni Child-Sparer. I don't have time to look over his posts until after voting starts so I wanted to give everyone as much time as possible to do so.

I expect it's because of this:

Yeah, the Library didn't show Mist tends to be a "usual suspect" I'd have no hesitation voting for her.

It's a rune-typo, but a pretty bad one. You can take it at face value; I know Kolgrima didn't want to give me any slack over it. But I do know that Mist was behaving as Mist usually does, and wasn't a particularly good lynch because of that.

Maybe he just doesn't know Baulf or Wilhalm well enough to know this isn't terribly surprising from either of them

I know it's typical from Baulf, but I don't think it is from Naemr. Naemr behaved this way yesterday, and nothing has changed today. Nevetheless, if they continue not contributing, you have to look past the fact that Baulf, at least, is behaving typically.

[Rick]

I wonder where Lefsi went...

[Captain Nemo]

You said what you said did not change anyone´s opinions, clearly it did.

Or you know, you can pay attention, read, but that´s difficult. So that´s okay. Go off now and play in the sand like the good sheep.

And don´t say things I say have no base. If you are too slow to lay the connections, that´s all on YOU. Cui bono. It´s that simple.

I made my own opinion yesterday to vote Petr; turns out he was town unfortunately. And I made my own opinion today that you're just being an donkey (Or equivalent word). More often then not, I've found that the person throwing the insults is also a person whose scum. Town can play a polite game, it's the scum who have to play a smear game.

If you assume I'm slow--then show me the connections yourself. You seem to just attack people with no reason (Well except this time, since I'm calling you on it)--I'm not seeing you offering any reason for your desire to lynch Mursi other then the fact of a vendetta.

[Scubacarrot]

If you don't want to participate and need everything spelled out for you, fine. Just don't go saying I do things for a vendetta when that is clearly not the case. Mursi is suspicious as heck to me. And also to... Dufa... Yes... The reasons for this have been exhaustively laid out. Here, and also in the night thread. I refuse to indulge in the dumb desire of a sheepy sheep to find everything for them.

And as for being polite. I don't do polite.

Something slightly odd. I noticed with your last post, Naemr.

I made my own opinion yesterday to vote Petr; turns out he was town unfortunately.

So besides the fact that no one asked and you're being defensive about your choice of vote out of nowhere, how did that decision came to be?

And you thinking I'm suspicious/scum (not sure if I warranted the upgrade yet) is pretty funny.

[fhomess]

Bear with me on this as it's a bit of a hack job given the primitive writing tools I currently am forced to employ (IE).

1- You don't agree that it is peculiar that Tumi opted not to vote for me after relentlesly pursuing me?

2- Although not directly linked to the 'trap' we can agree that had I not sadi those things, Kolgrima would have not sought to distance herself from me.

At this point, both of these are dead and all 3 were town. I do still wonder if there was a scum influencing Petr's decision to target Tumi but we may not ever get an answer to that. If any townie was aware of Petr being in contact with others who are still living, I hope you share that information with someone you trust.

Conclusions:

Here are the individuals who have not even as much as acknowledged that I was acting weird:

Sigrid

Dagstyrr

Chlodochar

Baulf

These 4 were probably happy that attention was shifted away from them; Sigrid was under fire, and Dagstyrr, Baulf and Chlodochar barely said anything and were problably happy that their laying low was not the focus of attention.

1 of these four is bound to be a scum

Only Chlodo is gone and I wouldn't put it past Petr to be right about his guess that one of these is scum. All of them have issues with their behavior yesterday. Sigrid's is well documented and the shift of voting from Sigrid being up 9 to 6 to Petr "winning" the lynch 12 to 8 could be notable if Sigrid is indeed a Servant.

Dagstyrr came in late, said she had followed the conversation without being able to contribute, then voted for Naemr before suddenly changing her vote to Petr. Did her fellow Servants warn her that she essentially missed the memo that town was pushing for a last second lynch and she could help seal the deal?

Baulf has been... Baulf. A complete mystery in a typically unhelpful way.

Here are the individuals that poked me but failed to follow up on said pokes:

Kolgrima

Patrekr

These 2 are the most suscpicious to me, Kolgrima for being so vocal and defensive in distancing herself from me and Patrekr for being such a sheep

I would be tempted to claim that both of them are scum

Well, someone with a sword took care of any questions as to Kolgrima's loyalties. Can't say I'm too happy about that. Patrekr I'll talk more about in a bit.

These tow chose to ignore the interactions sating they were either useless or by asking the group to move on:

Finn

Wary

I have no idea on how to read these 2, I am leaning town.

I know I'm town, so I'm not going to disagree with that. I don't have a particular strong read on Wary at this point, but he did cast the 9th vote for Petr which tied Petr with Sigrid for the lead. Earlier, he had been the 4th vote for Mist before that bandwagon fizzled.

People who 'sheeped' the vote for me:

Mursi

Canute

Patrekr

Oh look, Patrekr again!

This was the quote that I felt indicated Patrekr was Petr's strongest suspect and should be considered a possible scum bus. Obviously, since Petr was not a Servant, that means it was NOT a scum bus. That isn't to say that Patrekr isn't scum. I would tend to agree with Petr's conclusion that it's highly likely one of these is scum.

As for Patrekr, his vote for Petr was the 10th vote that broke the tie between Sigrid and Petr. That vote was coupled with an unvote for Sigrid. One does wonder if Sigrid and Patrekr are both scum from this. If the scum were originally hoping to merely get a no lynch on day 1, then this would have been an opportune time to steer the lynch towards Petr in the hopes that it would carry. That vote was placed just before this whole Petr conclusions banter began. Interestingly, Mursi had earlier said that Patrekr "follows votes like a scum would", and that's born out a little bit by him being the 2nd vote for Lefsi and the 7th vote for Sigrid. That vote actually put Sigrid ahead of Petr by 1 vote, and was followed by myself and Tumi giving Sigrid a 9 to 6 vote lead. Maybe Patrekr panicked but was afraid to change his vote from Sigrid until some others joined in. I don't know.

Well that's not completely true now is it, mr. Comic Sans. ROLL THE TAPE.

...

Okay, I guess you have a point. It was 5 to 3 and then Sisco got six votes with one Petr one inbetween. I just saw the 5-5 and then 6-6 a little later on. As I said before, the fact that so many suspicious people are voting for Sigrid over Petr, and for such pitiful reasons, makes me think Petr may be the better lynch after all.

Unvote: Sigrid (Sisco)

Vote: Petr Half-Troll (Piratedave84)

So ten votes for Petr, only two remaining...let's see if two votes will come in the remaining three or so hours.

This quote from Patrekr is kind of interesting as the 6-6 tie between Petr and Sigrid was broken by Patrekr, when he placed the 7th vote. Rurik had tied it up at 6-6 with a vote for Petr, and then some time later, Patrekr cast that leading vote for Sigrid. With this vote switch, he's now giving Petr that leading 10th vote and knocking Sigrid back down to 8. There's an element of casual disregard for the particulars of his votes and where the leading lynchee stands. This pushes him ahead of Sigrid on my suspicions list as it implies Patrekr's behavior is scummy beyond the need for Sigrid to be his fellow Servant.

But the behavior isn't scummy, it's lazy. I'm learning a decent amount from this vote already. I strongly believe the scum are active already. If we end this day without a lynch, it'll be to their credit.

So do you think it's possible that Sigrid is scum and the votes were steered away from her? Or do you think Rurik's theory that both are town and scum are just splitting the vote is more likely?

[LegoDad]

I wonder where Lefsi went...

I'm here. Just haven't had anything worthwhile to say. Would you prefer I come in with the obligatory "Oh crap, can't believe Petr was Town! Oh man, that sucks we're down 5 Townies" just to look like I'm helpful?

[fhomess]

I'm here. Just haven't had anything worthwhile to say. Would you prefer I come in with the obligatory "Oh crap, can't believe Petr was Town! Oh man, that sucks we're down 5 Townies" just to look like I'm helpful?

You could try to actually help by, say, looking for clues and then letting us know what you find or commenting on the theories that others have put out there. We don't get any good read on you if you don't contribute. Maybe that's what you want...

[CorneliusMurdock]

So do you think it's possible that Sigrid is scum and the votes were steered away from her? Or do you think Rurik's theory that both are town and scum are just splitting the vote is more likely?

Either is possible. Although if I were scum, I would've wanted a "no lynch" yesterday over a townie lynch. Sure a townie lynch would give them one less townie to kill off but it also got rid of someone that would have provided en excellent distraction today. Now the Petr is dead, he's confirmed. Scum would now have to find someone else to take the lynch bullet or hope that an overeager townie does that for them.

Speaking of which:

You said what you said did not change anyone´s opinions, clearly it did.

I said I didn't lobby for his lynch. If people wanted to agree with me and vote, so be it. Again you either don't see the distinction or choose not to. Your game is normally the same whether you're scum or town. You're aggressive and you feel entitled to know everything anybody else knows. I don't have a good read for what side you're on but if you're with us, you're not being productive today.

[def]

I still don't see what made Sigrid so scummy to a lot of people that they voted for her. I'm not saying I'm convinced she's an Einherjar, I just didn't get a good read on her at all from yesterday's events and I still wonder why some equated her stupidity with scumminess. What I did see was that she seemed like an easy lynch to some people who were voting for her. The people who we were being seriously scrutinised yesterday were all voting for Sigrid.

I thought Sigrid had unusually sheepish votes. Jumping on and off the Mist vote in an unconvincing way. It might be stupid, but it can also be scummy. In the end, she wasn't an easy lynch.

Of course it's possible Sigrid was being saved by her fellow Servants, but it's also possible that voting for both candidates went relatively slowly because they're both Einherjar and the Servants did not want to stick out by all hopping on one of the bandwagons. In that case, I doubt they had a clear preference on who would be lynched on day 1 and they probably spread their votes over the two candidates.

That's plausible, but then why was it so easy for Petr to overtake Sigrid in such a relatively short amount of time? It's not damning, but at a certain point, votes for Sigrid stopped, and they all became about Petr, which is, in my opinion, more suspicious than the votes Sigrid got.

[Waterbrick Down]

I think our best bet for today, barring any sort of night action result, will be figuring out what happened with the voting yesterday taking the 5 dead allegiances into account specifically as they apply to the three top candidates: Mist, Petr, and Sigrid. I believe Finn and Rurik have both offered good starting analysis thus far, but I wanted to add something that I noticed

Naemr: Snorta (unvotes to secure a lynch), Dagstyrr (unovtes to secure lynch)

Wilhalm: Turmi (Convinced to unvote by Helga and Dufa), Kolgrima, Lefsi (unvotes to secure a lynch)

Mist had 5 original votes: Dufa (starts accusation, convinced to unvote by Mist,), Helga (In agreement with Dufa, unvotes to ensure a lynch), Chlodochar (unvotes to secure lynch), Wary (In agreement with Chlodochar, unvotes to secure a lynch), Rurik (unvotes to secure a lynch), Sigrid (convinced to unvote by Jarni)

Jarni: Finn (Starts accusation, unvotes to secure a lynch)

Petr: Naemir (Starts accusation), Jarni, Mursi, Helga, Canute, Rurik, Godfried, Lefsi, Wary, Patrekr, Dagstyrr, Chlodochar

Kolgrima: Gofraid (Starts accusation, unvotes to secure a lynch)

Chlodochar: Turmi (unvotes to secure a lynch)

Lefsi: Dufa (agrees with Godfried on suspicion, unvotes to ensure a lynch), Patrekr (agrees with Dufa and Godfried, unvotes to secure a lynch)

Sigrid: Petr, Baulf, Dufa (votes to secure a lynch), Snorta, Finn, Turmi, Wilhalm, Mist, Patrekr (unvotes because too many suspicious people are voting for Sigrid)

Toward the end of the day, everyone started bailing to either of the two candidates Petr or Sigrid. Let's assume that both Sigrid and Petr are innocent (the latter we know for a fact), then the servants of Loki more than likely wouldn't care who was lynched. As Sigrid had the lead at one point in votes we could assume that any remaining servants of Loki would have jumped on that bandwagon unless we suspect 4 of the first 6 votes to be composed of scum attempting an early rushed vote, which seems highly unlikely to me. Now if we flip the coin and assume Sigrid is indeed a servant of Loki and again assume that 4 of the first 6 votes against him are highly unlikely to be bussing scum then it makes perfect sense to see a bandwagon form on Petr. After all if those first 6 votes on Sigrid were placed by innocents (2 of which we know were) then that leaves approximately 5 scum to take out a different suspect and keep suspicion off of Sigrid. If we look at the last votes cast after the tie with Sigrid (Godfried, Lefsi, myself, Patrekr, Dagstyrr, and Chlodochar), 3 of those were made after swiftly unvoting another suspect whom they had respectively accused on tangent accusations (a generally scummy tactic) (Godfried, Lefsi, and Dagstyrr). Of those three, Dagstyrr had commented very little and his tangential vote was made during the end of the day (something I believe a scum would have avoided seeing how close they were to getting an innocent lynched), Lefsi who had fallen in with the crowd who were confused by Wilhalm's playstyle, and Godfried who placed a safe vote against a now confirmed Kolgrima accusing her of placing a scummy vote on Wilhalm when there were other easier suspects to accuse i.e. Mist or Petr. Of the three I'm most suspicious of Godfried at this point.

[jimmynick]

You've marked me in green under votes for Petr. Why? I mean, I'm certain I'm town, but you sure as hell shouldn't.

[Waterbrick Down]

My mistake on the editing side of things.

[LegoDad]

I think our best bet for today, barring any sort of night action result, will be figuring out what happened with the voting yesterday taking the 5 dead allegiances into account specifically as they apply to the three top candidates: Mist, Petr, and Sigrid. I believe Finn and Rurik have both offered good starting analysis thus far, but I wanted to add something that I noticed

Naemr: Snorta (unvotes to secure a lynch), Dagstyrr (unovtes to secure lynch)

Wilhalm: Turmi (Convinced to unvote by Helga and Dufa), Kolgrima, Lefsi (unvotes to secure a lynch)

Mist had 5 original votes: Dufa (starts accusation, convinced to unvote by Mist,), Helga (In agreement with Dufa, unvotes to ensure a lynch), Chlodochar (unvotes to secure lynch), Wary (In agreement with Chlodochar, unvotes to secure a lynch), Rurik (unvotes to secure a lynch), Sigrid (convinced to unvote by Jarni)

Jarni: Finn (Starts accusation, unvotes to secure a lynch)

Petr: Naemir (Starts accusation), Jarni, Mursi, Helga, Canute, Rurik, Godfried, Lefsi, Wary, Patrekr, Dagstyrr, Chlodochar

Kolgrima: Gofraid (Starts accusation, unvotes to secure a lynch)

Chlodochar: Turmi (unvotes to secure a lynch)

Lefsi: Dufa (agrees with Godfried on suspicion, unvotes to ensure a lynch), Patrekr (agrees with Dufa and Godfried, unvotes to secure a lynch)

Sigrid: Petr, Baulf, Dufa (votes to secure a lynch), Snorta, Finn, Turmi, Wilhalm, Mist, Patrekr (unvotes because too many suspicious people are voting for Sigrid)

Toward the end of the day, everyone started bailing to either of the two candidates Petr or Sigrid. Let's assume that both Sigrid and Petr are innocent (the latter we know for a fact), then the servants of Loki more than likely wouldn't care who was lynched. As Sigrid had the lead at one point in votes we could assume that any remaining servants of Loki would have jumped on that bandwagon unless we suspect 4 of the first 6 votes to be composed of scum attempting an early rushed vote, which seems highly unlikely to me. Now if we flip the coin and assume Sigrid is indeed a servant of Loki and again assume that 4 of the first 6 votes against him are highly unlikely to be bussing scum then it makes perfect sense to see a bandwagon form on Petr. After all if those first 6 votes on Sigrid were placed by innocents (2 of which we know were) then that leaves approximately 5 scum to take out a different suspect and keep suspicion off of Sigrid. If we look at the last votes cast after the tie with Sigrid (Godfried, Lefsi, myself, Patrekr, Dagstyrr, and Chlodochar), 3 of those were made after swiftly unvoting another suspect whom they had respectively accused on tangent accusations (a generally scummy tactic) (Godfried, Lefsi, and Dagstyrr). Of those three, Dagstyrr had commented very little and his tangential vote was made during the end of the day (something I believe a scum would have avoided seeing how close they were to getting an innocent lynched), Lefsi who had fallen in with the crowd who were confused by Wilhalm's playstyle, and Godfried who placed a safe vote against a now confirmed Kolgrima accusing her of placing a scummy vote on Wilhalm when there were other easier suspects to accuse i.e. Mist or Petr. Of the three I'm most suspicious of Godfried at this point.

Wary, I appreciate your little analysis here, but I in no way was confused by Wilhalm's play style. I voted for him because for what I saw, was him backing up one of his buddies(Naemr) for no reason early in Day 1. Also to say that I made a quick unvote is ridiculous, as I was one of the early ones to vote overall and only made a change at the end when it was obvious that we were down to two potential candidates for a lynch. Between them, Petr and Sigrid, I felt, and many others felt, that Petr was the better lynch of the 2.

I am more interested in your voting habits as the first vote gave Mist a 5th vote, which at the time was getting that bandwagon a nice head of steam. Then, in your un-vote/vote, tied it all up with Sigrid and Petr late in the game, something we've agreed a Loki would like to have in the endgame for the day.

[Waterbrick Down]

Wary, I appreciate your little analysis here, but I in no way was confused by Wilhalm's play style. I voted for him because for what I saw, was him backing up one of his buddies(Naemr) for no reason early in Day 1. Also to say that I made a quick unvote is ridiculous, as I was one of the early ones to vote overall and only made a change at the end when it was obvious that we were down to two potential candidates for a lynch. Between them, Petr and Sigrid, I felt, and many others felt, that Petr was the better lynch of the 2.

I am more interested in your voting habits as the first vote gave Mist a 5th vote, which at the time was getting that bandwagon a nice head of steam. Then, in your un-vote/vote, tied it all up with Sigrid and Petr late in the game, something we've agreed a Loki would like to have in the endgame for the day.

The votes made against Wilhalm were repeatedly discouraged on by Helga and Dufa due to Wilhalm's previous playstyle, I considered those votes made after that argument part of the "confused group", matter of opinion. I'm not saying you quickly voted for Wilhalm, I'm saying you quickly changed your vote at the end of the day after putting it on what Godfried has termed an "easy" target.

Concerning my voting habits, if you'll look the Mist bandwagon was generating steam because it was one of the strong instances of suspicious behavior we had seen thus far and I felt it warented my vote. 5th vote by the way is hardly ever considered either scummy or townie, so I'm not sure what conclusions you want to draw from that. If Sigrid is a servant of Loki, then yes his fellow servants would want to tie up the vote, however if you'll note my change, it was done toward the later half of the day. If I had wanted to try and get an innocent townie lynched I would have switched my vote from Mist long before that. However from a perspective that could equally assume Sigrid was equally innocent as he was guilty yesterday, looking at the two candidates I decided Petr was the more suspicious and worthy of the lynch as I explained in my post voting for him.

[LegoDad]

The votes made against Wilhalm were repeatedly discouraged on by Helga and Dufa due to Wilhalm's previous playstyle, I considered those votes made after that argument part of the "confused group", matter of opinion. I'm not saying you quickly voted for Wilhalm, I'm saying you quickly changed your vote at the end of the day after putting it on what Godfried has termed an "easy" target.

Concerning my voting habits, if you'll look the Mist bandwagon was generating steam because it was one of the strong instances of suspicious behavior we had seen thus far and I felt it warented my vote. 5th vote by the way is hardly ever considered either scummy or townie, so I'm not sure what conclusions you want to draw from that. If Sigrid is a servant of Loki, then yes his fellow servants would want to tie up the vote, however if you'll note my change, it was done toward the later half of the day. If I had wanted to try and get an innocent townie lynched I would have switched my vote from Mist long before that. However from a perspective that could equally assume Sigrid was equally innocent as he was guilty yesterday, looking at the two candidates I decided Petr was the more suspicious and worthy of the lynch as I explained in my post voting for him.

Fair enough, but i still contend that Sigrid was the "easy" lynch. She hadn't done squat and by not dropping the act made her quite suspicious. Her refusal to defend herself against countless accusations also didn't help her cause. In my mind, I considered her an unhelpful town, but I don't speak for the others in the group. I like my vote right where it was, with Wilhalm. I don't like what he did early on, but it was obvious that a vote for him wasn't going to mean shit. If the act continues today, I will really consider voting for her because a Loki verdict I think would tell us a lot about yesterday's vote, even if it would implicate someone as myself since I changed my vote at the end. Of course, many of the group did.

[Palathadric]

Now is the time for some serious analysis of yesterday and I think we will find a scum slip-up in there.

Trying to rally the town or trying to appear helpful there? I don't see much from you thus far.

[Fugazi]

Toward the end of the day, everyone started bailing to either of the two candidates Petr or Sigrid. Let's assume that both Sigrid and Petr are innocent (the latter we know for a fact), then the servants of Loki more than likely wouldn't care who was lynched. As Sigrid had the lead at one point in votes we could assume that any remaining servants of Loki would have jumped on that bandwagon unless we suspect 4 of the first 6 votes to be composed of scum attempting an early rushed vote, which seems highly unlikely to me. Now if we flip the coin and assume Sigrid is indeed a servant of Loki and again assume that 4 of the first 6 votes against him are highly unlikely to be bussing scum then it makes perfect sense to see a bandwagon form on Petr. After all if those first 6 votes on Sigrid were placed by innocents (2 of which we know were) then that leaves approximately 5 scum to take out a different suspect and keep suspicion off of Sigrid. If we look at the last votes cast after the tie with Sigrid (Godfried, Lefsi, myself, Patrekr, Dagstyrr, and Chlodochar), 3 of those were made after swiftly unvoting another suspect whom they had respectively accused on tangent accusations (a generally scummy tactic) (Godfried, Lefsi, and Dagstyrr). Of those three, Dagstyrr had commented very little and his tangential vote was made during the end of the day (something I believe a scum would have avoided seeing how close they were to getting an innocent lynched), Lefsi who had fallen in with the crowd who were confused by Wilhalm's playstyle, and Godfried who placed a safe vote against a now confirmed Kolgrima accusing her of placing a scummy vote on Wilhalm when there were other easier suspects to accuse i.e. Mist or Petr. Of the three I'm most suspicious of Godfried at this point.

Why do you think my placing a vote on Kolgrima was safe? It was early enough in the day to rally other voters if they also thought Kolgrima was acting dodgily, and the case was in my opinion more solid than the evidence against Mist or Sigrid. Also at that time Petr wasn't a thing yet, as he hadn't come up with his plan to trap scum. You are looking at your tables, but I'm not sure you double-checked the chronology of events. Also don't dismiss tangent accusations as a scummy tactic. There was no point for scum to shift the focus unless one of the accused was also scum, and unless Sigrid is scum the Servants of Loki were confortably watching us choosing a lynchee between a number of innocent Einherjar. I still don't think that Sigrid is scum because a scum team wouldn't have allowed such lackadaisical play, but that's again my opinion. A townie's role is also to shift gears and point out other potential targets when they think that we're on the wrong track.

And I don't fully agree with the idea that scum must have bandwagoned to push Petr's lynch. It was Day One, and scum didn't need a lynch. Must I remind you that not lynching on day One is rather bad for town as we waste a precious source of information when we need it the most. Had I been scum, I would have advised my teammates to keep their cool and let town decide how the day would end. A last-minute rush to complete the lynch would have been scrutinised the next day (as it is now), and the risks outweigh the benefits. I'm much more wary of the non-voters, the back-benchers, those who didn't look too eager to get things done or didn't care about the day's outcome. Do you want names? So do I, but I will need to review the events before I draw up a list.