fhomess Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 While everyone's enjoying the unanimity of the lynch today and Snotra's investigation status, I wanted to bring up a couple of things from earlier in the day that I found while reviewing what's gone on. I really don't have anything useful to add or I would. If I had any night info, I'd pass it on to someone I trusted, but I don't. Now that we see all the dead town I think we really can look back at the past two days and nights for the people pushing these lynches. That's what I'm planning to do, hopefully will have some useful contribution from that. I'd really like to hear from you, Dagstyrr, in terms of what you've found related to the people who have been pushing the lynches. How do you feel about them? You've spoken up several times but have yet to deliver on your plan. Alright, looking at the votes from Day 1, we now know that both suspects were Einherjar which means that the scum would have sat on either lynch comfortably. Due to this fact, Mursi seems like an unlikely servant since he helped sway the initial bandwagon away from Sigrid. Just as a theory, would it be fair to consider that those who jumped on the bandwagon at the end of the day such as Dagstyr and possibly Patrekr might be Einjerhar? Since both suspects were Einherhar, I would think the servants would have voted earlier in the day and were fine with letting the town either lynch one of their own or end the day with a no lynch. While I think the interpretation of Mursi seems logical, the reaction to Dagstyrr and Patrekr is interesting to me. Yes, it's certainly possible that neither is scum, but the fact that both primary candidates were town doesn't really clear them, either. You don't comment on Lefsi as being a part of that group, and of course, you're in there as part of the late lynch party, too.
Scubacarrot Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 Would you rather not lynch him if he's the SK? Uhm... why? Of course I would, but that means that there are other implication that'd be great. Best case scenario? Dufa is scum. Every other scenario is going to be more work. That's the case. We're in a bad situation if you look at numbers either way. If you're assuming two nightkills, one definite einherjar, what do you get? No happy numbers. With great, I meant not so great. I always go after things that might help us catch the Servants, and looking at the details of what people say may seem not to matter to you, but I believe it's a way to find the truth. I'm sorry if that's inconvenient to you now. I didn't suggest I was cleared if Dufa's not Einherjar. It doesn't really make sense for me to go after him for trying to get Sigrid lynched at the start of day two if we're both Servants though. You know how this works. There can be a lot of acting, and again, that serial killer thing keeps coming to mind. Your on my mind, honey, let's just keep it that for now. You're.*
Palathadric Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 Why are you assuming it's because he shared his role? Why should I not wonder about them being related? It does seem very convenient that someone like him would die. Furthermore out of the first three persons who were killed on Day 1, Kolgrima seems the most likely to be a scum kill and also the least likely to be an SK one. I don't see why the scum would kill Chlodochar or Mist, unless one of them shared a role with a scummy player. I have to admit that there are a lot of people who I would figure are better targets for the scum than Kolgrima, but apparently the scum did find whichever one they killed among the three to be the best kill they could make, so I guess there is a decent chance that someone shared a role with a scummy scumster and was killed for it on NIght 1. But I'm still not convinced that voting Dufa will get us a scum lynch.
Scubacarrot Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 Why should I not wonder about them being related? It does seem very convenient that someone like him would die. Furthermore out of the first three persons who were killed on Day 1, Kolgrima seems the most likely to be a scum kill and also the least likely to be an SK one. Why? A lot of people suspected Kolgrima on day 1, if memory serves.
CorneliusMurdock Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 What do you suggest we do, Snotra, if the numbers are so bad, according to you, that lynching scum means we'll lose anyway? If there was not a way for us to win, this would be over already. If you don't think lynching scum will do that, what possibly could?
Scubacarrot Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 Read what I said again. Not saying we instantly lose or have already lost. Just saying it's not pretty. LOOK I'M A PESSIMISTIC DICK JUST DEAL WITH IT, DON'T GO AROUND MAKING IT WEIRD FOR EVERYONE.
Palathadric Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 Why? A lot of people suspected Kolgrima on day 1, if memory serves. So how does that make her a likely SK target? Since when have SKs been interested in what helps town? Also I can't see why the scum would target either of the other two without having a role revealed. They were both under probably more suspicion than Kolgrima and appeared far less threatening to town.
CorneliusMurdock Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 Read what I said again. Not saying we instantly lose or have already lost. Just saying it's not pretty. LOOK I'M A PESSIMISTIC DICK JUST DEAL WITH IT, DON'T GO AROUND MAKING IT WEIRD FOR EVERYONE. Well, pull yourself together, jerk. You didn't drink that ox urine that was passed around, did you? So how does that make her a likely SK target? Since when have SKs been interested in what helps town? Also I can't see why the scum would target either of the other two without having a role revealed. They were both under probably more suspicion than Kolgrima and appeared far less threatening to town. People who won't be watched or protected make good SK targets.
Darkdragon Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 I'd really like to hear from you, Dagstyrr, in terms of what you've found related to the people who have been pushing the lynches. How do you feel about them? You've spoken up several times but have yet to deliver on your plan. Well, i did say hopefully. I didn't find much. Dufa accused quite a few people and seemed to lead some lynches, looks to me like all of those folks are now dead and proved to be town via death. Tumi's posts bother me, his day 1 post analysis' bother me as well. Paterek is making a lot of posts that seem to be from a confused noob but he isn't one, so why is posting like one?
Rick Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 You're aware Tumi was killed on day one, right? So, I assume you mean someone else. What post analysis are you referring to and what's bothering you about it?
Darkdragon Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 Oh right. Well, I never said I was good at analyzing things. Not that it matters now, but this is one of the posts i was talking about. It bothered me that both of his posts (there is another a few posts later) were just going through and saying "fluff" to every post the op made, seemed like a good way to appear useful without doing anything but quoting all the posts. But he was town so I guess that really proves nothing.
def Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 Two lies that are being considered fact: - A night action successfully caught me. No, it's claimed that I was blocked. We don't know that Naemr's claim of blocker is true. Assuming it is, I am vanilla, therefore was not blocked. -Snotra and I were buddies. No, he agreed with me. I have yet to interact with him. If you like, you can say he was trying to buddy up to me, but I think the actual case was just our opinions on Mursi coming into alignment, and neither of us being so stubborn as to change our ideas based on mutual dislike. I'm all for theorising, but it's hard to have an accurate view of events when some people, either out of ignorance or intended deceit, keeping misstating things.
Scubacarrot Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 I think the actual case was just our opinions on Mursi coming into alignment, and neither of us being so stubborn as to change our ideas based on mutual dislike. This is true. I have not exchanged a single serious word with Dufa throughout this whole thing. That means all words that I have directly directed towards Dufa have no practical impact on the game whatsoever, and certainly no private conversation has taken place.
CorneliusMurdock Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 You tiptoed around him. Even now you're voting for him but he has not earned your caustic attitude. Dufa, if he was buddying up to you, what do you think he was trying to accomplished by it?
Bob Posted December 11, 2013 Posted December 11, 2013 Maybe if you elaborate why you're nervous, you'd feel better. I'm nervous because bandwagons so sudden as this rarely work. I'm hopefully looking forward to eating my words if Dufa is a Loki-lover, however I'm just pointing out that in the past bandwagons have been unsuccessful. I don't know if I'll feel better until I see the results tomorrow, but as of now I'm still iffy. I don't trust anyone in this game because I've had such bad experiences in the past.
CorneliusMurdock Posted December 11, 2013 Posted December 11, 2013 So your hesitation has nothing to do with your personal view of Dufa? Just general iffy-ness? Existential iffy-ness?
MagPiesRUs Posted December 11, 2013 Author Posted December 11, 2013 Vote Count Dufa the Godless (def): 12 votes (Hinckley, CallMePie, Cornelius Murdock, fhomess, Bob, Darkdragon, Scubacarrot, Rick, Waterbrick Down, WhiteFang, Captain Nemo, LegoDad) Wilhalm Bloodaxe (WhiteFang): 1 vote (def) Yet to vote: 1 (Palathadric) 8 votes are required for a conviction. Just under 23 hours remain in the day.
def Posted December 11, 2013 Posted December 11, 2013 Dufa, if he was buddying up to you, what do you think he was trying to accomplished by it? Well, at first, I figured he was trying to avoid my attention, and I was suspicious of him (though I only brought it up in private), but I didn't make an issue of it in public, for the sake of avoiding a tantrum. It wouldn't make that much sense though, because polite, rational Snotra is more suspicious than the regular one. I figure in general, he has been trying to avoid taking a dump on the whole game as he the characters he always seems to play traditionally have. He's had terrible luck in the past getting stuck with the rudest, most obnoxious characters virtually every game. This time his character is about 60% less rude. It's probably an innocuous, genuine coincidence.
Scubacarrot Posted December 11, 2013 Posted December 11, 2013 Wow, look at you, Dufa, trying to incriminate me.
Palathadric Posted December 11, 2013 Posted December 11, 2013 People who won't be watched or protected make good SK targets. Yes, but Kolgrima both raised a fair bit of suspicion and went on the offensive against some people such as Helga, the combination of which tend to make for a bad SK target. SKs usually go more for people who fly under the radar, generally speaking.
Palathadric Posted December 11, 2013 Posted December 11, 2013 Vote: Dagstyrr the Fool (DarkDragon) Vote unimportant at this stage, but it's like you're asking to be lynched.
Bob Posted December 11, 2013 Posted December 11, 2013 So your hesitation has nothing to do with your personal view of Dufa? Just general iffy-ness? Existential iffy-ness? I suppose so. I guess I don't have the same confidence levels as you do in this. If this turns out poorly, at least we'll have located a few new leads and if it turns out positively, we'll have removed a Servant of Loki.
Hinckley Posted December 11, 2013 Posted December 11, 2013 Actually Mursi, I got investigated. (not to be a servant of Loki) So... What up. Not being a Servant of Loki doesn't clear you of being a third party, that's what up. Nobody should forget that. Hm, for your information. The same result was apparantly found on someone that's now deceased. So yeah. Since all the dead are Town, that's not a surprise. Whoever it was isn't a Servant of Loki or a serial killer but that doesn't mean you're Einherjar. The logic you're trying to use there is misleading. As it is, with eight of us dead, Eight Einherjar are dead, not Scum. Sorry, I couldn't resists. This is the game of pronoun-tells after all. it's quite possible a vig has died, and no killer was blocked, nobody was protected. I actually thought of this possibility today. It's possible someone killed on Night one was the vig. It couldn't have been Petr since he had the vengeful spirit role. Jarni had a role which we can assume wasn't vig or Naemr's block information wouldn't matter. Gofraid could've been vig if he was also blocked last night but our blocker, assuming he is, says he blocked Dufa. I forgot about Sigrid. He might've been the vig. Anyway, it's a possibility to consider. Even if our vig is dead, I still think Dufa is Scum. I really hope he is. We need a Scum corpse around here. The town should be at about 9-5 against town right now, it'll be 8-5 tomorrow. With a scum kill, and one or two others, town could lose it tonight. What makes you think there are 5? That sounds like you know more than we do. Can you explain that? I imagine we all know there's more than one Scum. Even investigation isn't foolproof. Yes, this. Considering we're up against the Servants of the God of Mischief, we should remember that they are likely to have a way to tamper with results, although last time it left an obvious clue. Dagstyr, I thought you were going to list your suspicions. Why haven't you? Helga: suspicious little boy, not sure at all. I'm a girl! Anything causing this suspicion or is it more pronouns and delayed reaction to Bob? Why should I not wonder about them being related? It does seem very convenient that someone like him would die. Furthermore out of the first three persons who were killed on Day 1, Kolgrima seems the most likely to be a scum kill and also the least likely to be an SK one. I don't see why the scum would kill Chlodochar or Mist, unless one of them shared a role with a scummy player. I think Mist is the most likely to be the vig kill. It's a toss-up for me on Kolgrima and Chlodochar. Why wouldn't the Scum have killed Chlodochar in your opinion? Read what I said again. Not saying we instantly lose or have already lost. Just saying it's not pretty. LOOK I'M A PESSIMISTIC DICK JUST DEAL WITH IT, DON'T GO AROUND MAKING IT WEIRD FOR EVERYONE. I've gotten used to you being a dick but all-caps is totally uncalled for. Well, at first, I figured he was trying to avoid my attention, and I was suspicious of him (though I only brought it up in private), but I didn't make an issue of it in public, for the sake of avoiding a tantrum. It wouldn't make that much sense though, because polite, rational Snotra is more suspicious than the regular one. I figure in general, he has been trying to avoid taking a dump on the whole game as he the characters he always seems to play traditionally have. He's had terrible luck in the past getting stuck with the rudest, most obnoxious characters virtually every game. This time his character is about 60% less rude. It's probably an innocuous, genuine coincidence. He's been less of a dick? If you're suspicious of someone, you should say it. It's Mafia, we all know what we signed up for, so feelings shouldn't get in the way. Though, I've probably let them do so before. Do as I say, not as I do. I suppose so. I guess I don't have the same confidence levels as you do in this. If this turns out poorly, at least we'll have located a few new leads and if it turns out positively, we'll have removed a Servant of Loki. If it turns out positively, we'll also have some new leads, don't you think? Your professional summarizer career is at risk, buddy.
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