Hinckley Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 So two people knew that Jarni had a Night Action and Lefsi, you seem to know the identity of the protector too. Fantastic. DBJ, people. Don't Be Jesus. Finn, you say Jarni was suspicious of Lefsi, but all you've quoted is that he should be a prime suspect if he dies. You realize that only makes you an equal prime suspect. Was there anything else? Dagstyr, if you can articulate your suspicions, I can answer to them. But you do realize you're proposing I should've said "will you just continue to count the Townie corpses for the Town?". It's a good idea to watch for slip-ups in semantics but you should keep basic grammar in mind. Nobody would ever utter that sentence in that way.
Darkdragon Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 Helga, I'm having trouble articulating any of my suspicions and when I do people just say it's stupid to suspect someone for [any reason i give] so :shrug: This is exactly why i've been quiet. I'm not proposing you say anything in any way, I refuse to get stuck on something like that as some sort of argument point. It struck me as an odd thing to say and I stated that fact.
CorneliusMurdock Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 I'm going to ask Finn and Lefsi not to say anything more for now. I'd like to get a few things strait with them and then I'll get back with what I think happened here. The general consensus is that I'm town. If you will trust me a moment, I should be able to clear the fog.
Hinckley Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 And I and I am happy I wasn't lynched yesterday, since I got something out of the night. If you know something that will lead to a Scum lynch, just say it. This wasn't subtle. If you have a Night Action, you should be more responsible with it.
CMP Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 Also, I know that Wilhalm was not protected last night, since that seems to be a hot topic of conversation right now. Called it. It is obvious that I see the missing third killer, and I suspect for some reason, this third killer did not use the night action for some unknown reasons, and if the third killer was blocked, I believe we should be seeing a successful action results based on last night description, but there aren't. So, I am not sure what must have happened last night... And interestingly Wilhalm doesn't even account for the fact that he could've been protected. And actually suggests that the serial killer (whose win condition would be to kill everyone) would chose not to kill anyone instead. This narrows things down. Two most likely to me are Wilhalm's scum and the scum protector saved him, or we've got a lucky blocker.
Captain Nemo Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 If you know something that will lead to a Scum lynch, just say it. This wasn't subtle. If you have a Night Action, you should be more responsible with it. Sure, but I did try to be responsible with it. However I do feel that it is a lead on the scum, which is something we really need right now. I'm going to say this in public now, before I get lynched/killed without saying it. I didn't want to say this yesterday, since I wanted to try to get another night out of it--so I didn't say it then, since it looked as though I'd skimp by without enough lynch votes, but anyway, I am the town blocker. I say this now for two reasons: first so we lynch a scum tonight, and second because I have a lead said scum. In regards to night one (Since I'm sure people will ask), I blocked Kolgrima (Side point: Which I do now find interesting that she was mentioned at the start of today), since I felt that she was "off" from her normal self but also because it was just a guess. My action was successful, however someone else targeted her--I think dying at night runs in her family--point being I was successful in but she was killed by another source, most likely the serial killer (Keeping with tradition apparently). Night two however seems more useful. I managed to live without saying my role, and therefore was not targeted at night (I assume since the scum feel I'm better alive attempting but hurting the town then dead helping them; ergo when I turn up town). I chose to block Dufa, since he has seemed increasingly scummy to me. He had a sort of bromance with Snorta out of no where; made his "Sigrid/Mursi" list which seemed suspicious--Snorta was also hellbent on killing Mursi at one point too--and on a metagame level Dufa has the leadership abilities to run a scum gang. So I chose to block him, and was again successful. This morning, we find that there is only two kills in the night (Missing the Long Sword, weapon the scum during the 1st Ragnarok). It is possible the scum targeted a protected person, but it is just a possible that I targeted the right person. From my perspective, Dufa is scum.
Scubacarrot Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 I'm going to ask Finn and Lefsi not to say anything more for now. I'd like to get a few things strait with them and then I'll get back with what I think happened here. The general consensus is that I'm town. If you will trust me a moment, I should be able to clear the fog. Oh really. The "general consensus". Hmm, hmmm. And it's not suspicious at all to go mediate a mess where there's most definitely roles involved. If I were Finn, Lefsi and anyone else involved, I'd tell Mursi to stick his big nose up his behind instead of things that he doesn't need to know and has no business knowing. Really Naemr. Really? Pro-tip. Claiming like that, not responsible night action usage.
CMP Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 Pro-tip. Claiming like that, not responsible night action usage. Agreed. But it's by far the most solid lead we've had yet. It would destroy my theory ( ) but finding a Servant would give us a huge springboard to find others. Especially since that Servant seems to be Dufa.
CorneliusMurdock Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 If you'd elaborated on your "Well", earlier... Everyone else that spoke up conceded I was more likely town. DId I miss someone saying that they thought I was scum? Do you still believe that? What I wanted to do was avoid something like the Naemr situation where the scum would know people with roles.
Rick Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 It is possible the scum targeted a protected person, but it is just a possible that I targeted the right person. From my perspective, Dufa is scum. It's a stupid way to share your results, but it's definitely the most solid lead we have.
Hinckley Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 From my perspective, Dufa is scum. That's where my vote's going.
CorneliusMurdock Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 That's where my vote's going. What a coincidence! I was thinking of placing my vote there, too.
CorneliusMurdock Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 Oh really. The "general consensus". Hmm, hmmm. And it's not suspicious at all to go mediate a mess where there's most definitely roles involved. If I were Finn, Lefsi and anyone else involved, I'd tell Mursi to stick his big nose up his behind instead of things that he doesn't need to know and has no business knowing. You've got nothing else? No other insights into why I might be scum? You just want to throw suspicion my way because you had hoped that you might capitalize upon what might surface in that situation and that maybe you could focus attention on someone involved. I have been on the fence about you most of the game. Congratulations on being hard to read. I think I have you pegged now. Another person has been "hmmmm"-ing me a lot. And that person is almost definitely scum. I wonder if the scum writeboard is really hmmmmm-ing. I feel my ears burning.
Hinckley Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 What a coincidence! I was thinking of placing my vote there, too. We have so much in common! Do you like to slaughter pigs with a pitch fork too? You've got nothing else? No other insights into why I might be scum? You just want to throw suspicion my way because you had hoped that you might capitalize upon what might surface in that situation and that maybe you could focus attention on someone involved. I have been on the fence about you most of the game. Congratulations on being hard to read. I think I have you pegged now. Another person has been "hmmmm"-ing me a lot. And that person is almost definitely scum. I wonder if the scum writeboard is really hmmmmm-ing. I feel my ears burning. It's likely you are Einherjar, but you are not confirmed. Is this council taking place? We've lost one PR, possibly because Jarni told the wrong person about his role. We should be more careful with these things.
CorneliusMurdock Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 I'm not claiming to be confirmed. Snotra disputed the fact I was deemed most likely town by general consensus. I think he just didn't want me to prevent them from making everything public. There are talks happening. I hope to have some things sorted out. Do you think there was a better solution? And no, slaughtering pigs doesn't sound like a fun evening.
Hinckley Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 I'm not claiming to be confirmed. Snotra disputed the fact I was deemed most likely town by general consensus. I think he just didn't want me to prevent them from making everything public. There are talks happening. I hope to have some things sorted out. Do you think there was a better solution? I don't know. Sorry to post to just say that. This is getting frustrating. I hope this is the right thing to do for once. Anything you can relay from the talks at this point? And no, slaughtering pigs doesn't sound like a fun evening. Oh....
CorneliusMurdock Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 Unless something else comes up, and I'm still waiting for something, it looks like Dufa is our best bet today.
def Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 Night two however seems more useful. I managed to live without saying my role, and therefore was not targeted at night (I assume since the scum feel I'm better alive attempting but hurting the town then dead helping them; ergo when I turn up town). I chose to block Dufa, since he has seemed increasingly scummy to me. He had a sort of bromance with Snorta out of no where; made his "Sigrid/Mursi" list which seemed suspicious--Snorta was also hellbent on killing Mursi at one point too--and on a metagame level Dufa has the leadership abilities to run a scum gang. So I chose to block him, and was again successful. This morning, we find that there is only two kills in the night (Missing the Long Sword, weapon the scum during the 1st Ragnarok). It is possible the scum targeted a protected person, but it is just a possible that I targeted the right person. From my perspective, Dufa is scum. It's great that you made your claim when you did; when you were someone with a big target on your back. I'm going to explain why your theory was misguided from the start: -There was no bromance with Snotra. I have avoided him all game. Not a single PM. He has agreed with me, quoted me, but I have kept my distance, because I don't enjoy interacting with him whatsoever. -My "Sigrid/Mursi" list has mostly cleared Mursi. That is scummy because?.... -I don't have what it takes to run a scum team. I may love being full of bluster, but it's a joke. If you check the record, I have about a 10% success rate as town, and a 0% success rate as scum. That you buy into that (or claim to) shows that you aren't really paying attention. For my part, I have no idea if I was blocked. I am vanilla. Track me, investigate me, whatever, I have no fear. My "towniest of town" routine was meant to waste scum roles on me more than anything else, and hopefully it did on night one. Unfortunately, Mursi's pitt bull impression has drawn way too much 'town' energy at me, and I'm sorry I've probably done more to hurt town than help it, in the absolute balance. Unless something else comes up, and I'm still waiting for something, it looks like Dufa is our best bet today. No shit? Seriously? Mursi thinks I'm scum? I'm flabbergasted.
Palathadric Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 My action was successful, however someone else targeted her--I think dying at night runs in her family--point being I was successful in but she was killed by another source, most likely the serial killer. This morning, we find that there is only two kills in the night (Missing the Long Sword, weapon the scum during the 1st Ragnarok). It is possible the scum targeted a protected person, but it is just a possible that I targeted the right person. From my perspective, Dufa is scum. "She was killed by another source" sounds like a funny choice of words, as if you're trying to assure as that she wasn't killed by you. Anyway, I don't know about the killer of Jarni, but being the same killer as the one who killed Kolgrima, I would kind of assume that that is the scum killer. I doubt the scum would've taken out Chlodochar. Furthermore, it seems very convenient that Jarni shares a role and then is killed by the SK. I think it's much more likely that the scum killed him. Just as a theory, would it be fair to consider that those who jumped on the bandwagon at the end of the day such as Dagstyr and possibly Patrekr might be Einjerhar? Since both suspects were Einherhar, I would think the servants would have voted earlier in the day and were fine with letting the town either lynch one of their own or end the day with a no lynch. Actually being that Dagstyr hadn't voted yet, probably because his puppet-master was busy, I think it is entirely likely, if he's scum, to have "sealed the deal." I think voting for anyone else at that time would have been seen as suspicious. The scum plan may have been at first wanting to go for a no-lynch, and Dagstyr followed that by voting Naemr, but then they decided that it looked silly and it would be better for him to just knock off Petr. Of course, in that case, I would wonder why he would vote at all as it may have been better to just slip entirely under the radar. Still, I would certainly not right Dagstyr off as being town just yet. I still lean more towards him being scum. *right>write
def Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 "She was killed by another source" sounds like a funny choice of words, as if you're trying to assure as that she wasn't killed by you. Anyway, I don't know about the killer of Jarni, but being the same killer as the one who killed Kolgrima, I would kind of assume that that is the scum killer. I doubt the scum would've taken out Chlodochar. Furthermore, it seems very convenient that Jarni shares a role and then is killed by the SK. I think it's much more likely that the scum killed him. This. I think we would be better off to find out what's happening between Finn and Lefsi than to waste a vote on me.
Palathadric Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 You're saying Sigrid's inactivity is a Scum tell? I'm not familiar with him. Eh? Weren't you scum with him last Ragnarok?
Darkdragon Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 Patrekr, your theory about me makes no sense at all. First of all I never have had or will have a "puppet master". I've explained my voting from day one, and it seems like you are just trying to move attention off Def with this long writeup of nonsense.
Palathadric Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 I think we would be better off to find out what's happening between Finn and Lefsi than to waste a vote on me. Don't worry, your friend, Mursi is on it.
Palathadric Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 Patrekr, your theory about me makes no sense at all. First of all I never have had or will have a "puppet master". I've explained my voting from day one, and it seems like you are just trying to move attention off Def with this long writeup of nonsense. Obviously a scum wouldn't say, I voted for such and such a person because I'm scum and I wanted them dead. We have no way of knowing whether your "explanation" was truthful or not. And that "I voted...them dead." was supposed to be in quotes.
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