Darkdragon Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 Obviously a scum wouldn't say, I voted for such and such a person because I'm scum and I wanted them dead. We have no way of knowing whether your "explanation" was truthful or not. Really? They wouldn't? Wow, you are full of insight. A scum wouldn't have a reason for the vote and would "not see" the question or whatever. They would not answer.
Palathadric Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 With eleven votes against Petr, the temptation could've been there to just finish the townie off. Your vote would hardly have been considered forced under those circumstances so it wouldn't have been a risk for the scum.
Scubacarrot Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 -There was no bromance with Snotra. I have avoided him all game. Not a single PM. He has agreed with me, quoted me, but I have kept my distance, because I don't enjoy interacting with him whatsoever. Well bro, the feeling's mutual. You've got nothing else? No other insights into why I might be scum? You just want to throw suspicion my way because you had hoped that you might capitalize upon what might surface in that situation and that maybe you could focus attention on someone involved. I have been on the fence about you most of the game. Congratulations on being hard to read. I think I have you pegged now. Another person has been "hmmmm"-ing me a lot. And that person is almost definitely scum. I wonder if the scum writeboard is really hmmmmm-ing. I feel my ears burning. I'm not saying you're scum. I don't know at this point, but what I do know is, is that you're far from confirmed. You should not be doing this. If it's Dufa you're hmmm-ing about. Congratz, he's probably gonna end up lynched, so that's great, and you know, if he's scum, you'd actually be pretty much confirmed, so go you. I'm not claiming to be confirmed. Snotra disputed the fact I was deemed most likely town by general consensus. I think he just didn't want me to prevent them from making everything public. There are talks happening. I hope to have some things sorted out. Do you think there was a better solution? Everything public, I'm mostly okay with that, everything going through an unconfirmed person, with probably a day before the rest of us know anything, with that unconfirmed person knowing more than everyone else in that period, I'm not okay with. The better solution was to either do everything public, or have them sort it out themselves.
Palathadric Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 Wouldn't be surprised if both of them were scum. Talking about Finn and Lefsi by the way.
Hinckley Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 Eh? Weren't you scum with him last Ragnarok? Yes. I had to look it up, though. Didn't remember.
fhomess Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 Everything public, I'm mostly okay with that, everything going through an unconfirmed person, with probably a day before the rest of us know anything, with that unconfirmed person knowing more than everyone else in that period, I'm not okay with.The better solution was to either do everything public, or have them sort it out themselves. There are a few different ways in which Jarni's death makes perfectly good sense with both of us being town. I'm sure you can think of some of them yourself. In light of that, there is an element of discretion to the situation that makes some sense at this point in time. Chief Mursi is, in my mind at least, more likely to be town than many others here and I have given him my side of the story. The only person confirmed to me is me, but we have to start making some progress here soon. I'm willing to take the risk with Mursi at the moment. If Jarni's death was not related to Lefsi being scum, then I'm convinced that the discretion is worth it. Wouldn't be surprised if both of them were scum. Talking about Finn and Lefsi by the way. This is pretty much nonsense. Aside from the fact that I'm not scum, consider what you're saying. If we were both scum, then Lefsi wouldn't have bothered to bring the topic up earlier in the day and I wouldn't have jumped in to state that I was in contact with Jarni. We'd have kept everything quiet as neither of us shared what we knew beyond Lefsi, Jarni, and myself until today. I have to say that trying to cast us both as scum has me seriously questioning your allegiances. You don't seem very dedicated to thinking this through properly.
CorneliusMurdock Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 If anything had come up to point to you not being scum in my private conversations, I would have let everyone know, Dufa. It didn't, though.
CorneliusMurdock Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 I've listened to both sides, and at this point, I'm pretty sure that there was a misunderstanding about Jarni. Both Finn and Lefsi seem satisfied with the result and I invite them to say otherwise at this point. Unless someone thinks that all three of us are scum, we can assume that the matter isn't important to the lynch today. Both did say that Jarni was really suspicious of Dufa but since he voiced that opinion himself yesterday that should come as no surprise. The better solution was to either do everything public, or have them sort it out themselves. Yes, I'm sure you'd rather have the scum team know everything right now. It would make your job easier. I don't think they were going to sort it out privately. If they were, wouldn't they have done so before bringing the matter up in the first place? Dufa and Snotra, you can, of course, try to do something besides badmouth me. Wilhalm, we're still waiting for you to tell us who you found out wasn't the SK last night.
MagPiesRUs Posted December 10, 2013 Author Posted December 10, 2013 You may now vote. With 14 players remaining, 8 votes are required to lynch. 48 hours remain in the day.
Hinckley Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 vote: Dufa the Godless (def) This should come as no surprise. I've been clear about my suspicions. The information from Naemr makes this the best move for today.
CMP Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 Vote: Dufa the Goddless (def). We've got a solid lead we really need to test.
CorneliusMurdock Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 Vote: Dufa the Godless (def) I'm a little disappointed that we didn't have the squabble you promised me, Dufa.
Darkdragon Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 Vote: Dufa the Godless (def) If Naemr is bluffing, it's a certain death for him tomorrow.
CorneliusMurdock Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 Oh, if anyone can counterclaim a role that has been claimed, you should tell someone. Choose a confidante wisely.
fhomess Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 Vote: Dufa the Godless (Def) I agree that this is the best course of action for the lynch today.
Bob Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 Vote: Dufa the Godless / def As much as I hate bandwagons, this is something that should be tested. I'm a bit nervous, but hopefully this is the right course of action.
MagPiesRUs Posted December 10, 2013 Author Posted December 10, 2013 Vote Count Dufa the Godless (def): 5 votes (Hinckley, CallMePie, Cornelius Murdock, fhomess, Bob) 8 votes are required for a conviction.
CorneliusMurdock Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 I'm a bit nervous, but hopefully this is the right course of action. Maybe if you elaborate why you're nervous, you'd feel better.
Darkdragon Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 I didn't bold the first time Vote: Dufa the Godless (def)
Scubacarrot Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 Vote: Dufa the Goddless (def) Actually Mursi, I got investigated. (not to be a servant of Loki) So... What up.
Rick Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 -I don't have what it takes to run a scum team. I may love being full of bluster, but it's a joke. If you check the record, I have about a 10% success rate as town, and a 0% success rate as scum. That you buy into that (or claim to) shows that you aren't really paying attention. Let's keep it that way then. For someone who doesn't know how to lead a scum team, you sure made a lot of comments about what you thought the Servants would and wouldn't allow. I think I've made my suspicions of Dufa clear, especially yesterday. Vote: Dufa the Godless (def) Furthermore, it seems very convenient that Jarni shares a role and then is killed by the SK. I think it's much more likely that the scum killed him. Why are you assuming it's because he shared his role? Patrekr, your theory about me makes no sense at all. First of all I never have had or will have a "puppet master". I've explained my voting from day one, and it seems like you are just trying to move attention off Def with this long writeup of nonsense. If Dufa's a Servant, I bet he's telling them to not try and save him (despite him saying he doesn't know how to run a scum team), because there is no real arguing against a night action result. So, yet again, I doubt today's voting pattern is going to be very useful. I'm a bit nervous, but hopefully this is the right course of action. A bit nervous we're on to you? Actually Mursi, I got investigated. (not to be a servant of Loki) So... What up. It wouldn't surprise me if I've been married to a serial killer for all these years.
def Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 Well, this is an unfortunate situation. I have no action, and was not the reason someone didn't die. As Patrekr put together, Jami was likely killed by scum. That places the finger directly at Lefsi and Finn because they knew his night action. At the very least, we should be testing Wilhalm's fishy claim first. As it is, with eight of us dead, it's quite possible a vig has died, and no killer was blocked, nobody was protected. There's a major lack of thought and discussion about this situation, just the typical rush when a bandwagon forms. The town should be at about 9-5 against town right now, it'll be 8-5 tomorrow. With a scum kill, and one or two others, town could lose it tonight. But, it is an unfortunate situation. With Naemr's claim (which is dubious at best, especially his 'results'), this is hanging over my head, and I know that some here wouldn't believe I was town at this point even with an investigation proving it. I've seen it happen before and been on both sides (lyncher and lynchee), and every time it resulted with a lynch, or at the very least, a vig kill. So, the town can't go forward with me around. As I said, I'm vanilla, so it could be worse. I hope the vig chooses wisely tonight and doesn't cost us the game. I'm not going to hold myself all that responsible, since it's been nearly impossible to communicate with some here, and I've been as clear as I could be. I tried to be an active vanilla 110%. So I wish the town good luck. When I come up town, please consider the following lynches/vig kills: -Wilhalm - his claim is no good. The more I think about it, the scummier he is. - Naemr - After nearly being lynched yesterday, it couldn't hurt to make a fake claim and get a townie lynched. Scum have almost won. After all, he's not really claiming I killed, just that he thinks so, so it won't be hard to walk back from that statement. - Helga - Talking a lot to look busy, but not really doing anything. Repeating others arguments. Trying to stay in a number two or three position, so no heat goes onto her when lynches go bad. -Dagstyrr - Just being apathetic and scummy, very out of character. And I still have very unsettling feelings about Rurik. He is a hard one to read, but he isn't particularly adding to things, more of being devil's advocate. But I'm on the fence with that. Vote: Wilhalm (Whitefang) there is no real arguing against a night action result. You're right, there is no argument when a vanilla gets 'blocked.' No 'evidence' either
Waterbrick Down Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 Vote: Dufa the godless (Def) I can say I wasn't quite expecting my main suspect to be the one outing a possible scum, but if we've finally got one, I'm glad it didn't the lynch didn't go through. Statistically one would think we should have caught a servant by now, so hopefully by tomorrow we'll have a servant in the bag and can start laying out the lines of association and start back tracking things.
WhiteFang Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 As what Chief Mursi and Naemr had pointed out earlier, you are indeed suspicious, so I pray that we are right to nail the right one with sufficient interpreting evidence at this moment. Vote: Dufa the godless (Def) Wilhalm, we're still waiting for you to tell us who you found out wasn't the SK last night. I apologies for my delay as I am stuck with some other urgent matters. However, I am back in proper. Last night, I targeted Dagstyrr as he was suspicious on his own and clueless at times, based on his daily limited contributions. So, I checked on him and found he is not a serial killer, but I don't have any slightest clue if he is a Servant. Since a serial killer will try his/her best to blend into the crowd to make themselves least suspicious by doing very careful actions, Dagstyrr was in my potential target listing.
Scubacarrot Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 It wouldn't surprise me if I've been married to a serial killer for all these years. Hm, for your information. The same result was apparantly found on someone that's now deceased. So yeah.
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