Ragnarök Now Redux - Day Four

[Hinckley]

It would appear that my feelings about a bandwagon not always being successful were not warranted after all. This is pleasing to me.

What is also pleasing is that the serial killer is dead. Good riddance to bad trash.

Another pleasing summary. :thubmup:

Bob, do you have anything to add about other living players?

[CMP]

I can't answer for Rurik, but I assume it's based off of his reactions. Look at this:

He suggests the vig is dead and then appeals to the vig to make a good choice at night. He seems frustrated to have been caught for the wrong reasons. I also assume there are four Scum remaining by this quote. Though that could be misleading, 5 Scum and a Serial Killer is reasonable considering the original numbers.

The narrative suggests it was the protector that prevented Wary's kill last night, as it was the target's door that couldn't be opened.

No, I'm sorry I didn't make that clearer. It should be read together with the sentence preceding that (i.e. "I think...").

I suppose that does make sense. Though I still think there's the chance he was trying to mislead us.

[CorneliusMurdock]

Yes, thubmup, Baulf. We're all very glad that you're pleased.

[CorneliusMurdock]

If it's not too much trouble, I'd like everyone to post who their top 3 suspects would be and why.

[Palathadric]

Well aside from the fact that I didn't block him again, Dufa could not have preformed another action because he was dead before last night.

I was talking about yesterday.

Suspicious people:

Canute: Did a lot of poking of silent people, but seemed to just blend along with the crowd a lot and appears to be trying not to stick out. Reminding me of this absolute horse I saw in one slutty mafia enactment.

Dagstyrr: Seems to have no interest in what's going on. Could say the same for Baulf I guess.

Lefsi/Finn: Find them more suspicious since it seems likely, if not certain, that Jarni was killed by scum. Would lean more towards Lefsi being scum than Finn.

If it's not too much trouble, I'd like everyone to post who their top 3 suspects would be and why.

You seem to failed to start.

[Darkdragon]

Pretty well? So you think there's still a chance he's Scum?

There's always a chance it could have been a bus.

Dufa is one of your top suspicions, yet you vote with only a warning to Naemr.

That wasn't a warning, it was stating a fact. What exactly is the issue? This statement makes no sense.

OK, but the suspicions you listed right before the day started match the suspicions you told me in private 4 days ago except Wilhalm has been removed. Why do you no longer suspect him? You weren't willing to list your suspicions then but you're willing to copy in the same suspicions now. Why? I think you're being quiet because you're afraid to slip and give yourself away. It's convenient that you kept your opinion of Dufa to yourself until after he was lynched.

I didn't copy anything, I posted my list and reasons for each. Feel free to check the timestamp on the last time i read the PM (which I'm sure you did before you posted this but figured I wouldn't mention it). Why are you attacking me here anyway? I don't suspect Wilhalm as much as I did and I didn't include him on my list, are people not allowed to change opinions anymore? I did not keep my opinion of Dufa to myself, you assume too much.

Overall a silly post from you with no real thought or accusations, i guess it's the "save her for later, she'll be an easy lynch because of being quiet" time in the scum team. The good thing is that even if I am lynched, there are much better and powerful townies to take the rest of you out quickly. This kind of attack just shows how non-town you really are.

Dufa's post where he's posted is interesting. He brings up his likely scum: Wilhalm, Helga, Naemr and Dagstyrr. Likely one or two of these can be scum. I'd say Wilhalm and Dagstyrr at this point. If not for Dufa, Wilhalm WOULD have been lynched today, but, that doesn't really clear Wilhalm in any way. His claim is perhaps slightly more believable now that Wary's been found out, but it'd be a convenient claim still.

If I were to vote now and nothing'd come up, I'd be voting for Dagstyrr.

Ah, looks like I got another one right in my list. Your logic is extremely flawed here, and the fact that you have no suspicion of Helga and even though you say Wilhalm is not cleared in your mind and would have been lynched (why does Dufa's allegiance have anything to do with that anyway?) but then the only person you say is worth voting for is me.

Well I don't know if I've proved myself enough with others to get any help here but thank you both for attacking me because if I do die tonight you'll be quick to lynch.

[CMP]

If it's not too much trouble, I'd like everyone to post who their top 3 suspects would be and why.

Patrekr for slipping entirely under the radar.

Lefsi for Day One weirdness, and then sliding under the radar. Easily put off by suspicion or nervous scum?

Dagstyyr for only doing anything when someone calls him out on it.

[Scubacarrot]

Ah, looks like I got another one right in my list. Your logic is extremely flawed here, and the fact that you have no suspicion of Helga and even though you say Wilhalm is not cleared in your mind and would have been lynched (why does Dufa's allegiance have anything to do with that anyway?) but then the only person you say is worth voting for is me.

How is my logic flawed? I do still not trust Helga fully at all, that hasn't changed. Wilhalm and Dufa are connected through to the fact that Wilhalm would have been lynched if not for Naemr's revelation on Dufa, so of course that has something to do with each other. However, Wary's allegiance obviously gives credit to his claim, to some extend. Wilhalm is third on my virtual to-lynch list, after you and Baulf. I did not say you were the only one worth voting for, I said I would vote for you if I had to right now. Which I still will.

And with that I got my list: Dagstyrr: for reasons mentioned above. Baulf, for being generally not very helpful, quiet, and odd all around. Not neccesarily out of character for him, but still, WHEN he participates here, it's nothing, it seems. I think there's a very good chance he's scum.

And Wilhalm. A Serial Killer hunter is an extremely savvy and easy claim to make. Even though a serial killer has been found, we can't and shouldn't be sure about Wilhalm.

Mursi, I'd like to see your list as well, please.

[Hinckley]

This kind of attack just shows how non-town you really are.

I'm asking you clarifying questions and you're calling it an attack. Since you are clearly working so hard for the Town, I can see how questioning you makes me look "non-town" as you say. As long as we've been talking so much about semantics, it's weird you chose to say "non-town" instead of "scum". What other "non-town" is out there at this point? Are you saying I could be the Serial Killer?

3 top Suspicions

Dagstyr — His lack of activity seems like he's trying to avoid being caught, like putting off listing his suspicions. He's extra jumpy when questioned. When you have Scum Perspective^TM, little things seem magnified.

Baulf — This may be typical of his general contributions in these games, but his posts seem forced.

Patrekr — Flying under the radar. He is just posting enough to seem active and contributing, including PMs, but is one of the few not verified at this point.

[Bob]

If it's not too much trouble, I'd like everyone to post who their top 3 suspects would be and why.

Dagstyr - For generally being odd and a bit unusual. Isn't really doing much of anything. Doesn't have much input.

Patrekr - For also flying under the radar, as well as a few events that have transpired in the past.

Canute - A bit of a jerk, he's acting different and rather hostile. It's not like him to do that. It's almost like he's trying to throw the light on the quieter people to maybe avoid it himself?

[CMP]

It's almost like he's trying to throw the light on the quieter people to maybe avoid it himself?

Or maybe it's like I'm trying to throw the light on the quieter people to get them to add to the discussion themselves and become an actual asset to the town.

Just throwing it out there.

[Hinckley]

Or maybe it's like I'm trying to throw the light on the quieter people to get them to add to the discussion themselves and become an actual asset to the town.

Just throwing it out there.

You different, hostile jerk!

[CMP]

You different, hostile jerk!

He does have a point.

idiots

I couldn't help it. I'm just so naturally different and aggressive and my rampant hostility took over.

You don't have to worry about me being a jerk anymore Baulf, I've decided I'm just going to call you lazy rather than trying to spur you into activity.

[LegoDad]

My top three would consist of Patrekr, Baulf, and Dagstyrr.

Patrekr really hasn't offered much to the conversation at all here or behind the scenes as far as I know.

The other two mostly for the extreme quietness. I know Baulf is normally like this, don't know about Dagstyrr. I'm also still not 100 percent on Wilhalm either. Maybe someone else can further verify his claim today.

[CorneliusMurdock]

My top suspects are based on information that most aren't privvy to. I'd like to wait until a few more people speak up so that my list doesn't influence theirs.

[MagPiesRUs]

You may now vote. With 12 players remaining, 7 votes are required for a conviction. 48 hours remain in the day.

[Rick]

There's always a chance it could have been a bus.

So, Nemo claims, seemingly without a real reason, which subsequently starts the vote on Dufa? Does that look like a scum bus to you?

Patrekr - For also flying under the radar, as well as a few events that have transpired in the past.

Which events are you talking about?

Maybe someone else can further verify his claim today.

How are we supposed to verify his claim? I suppose he could be investigated though.

As for my suspicions. I made it clear earlier that I agree with my wife Snotra about her suspicions of Dagstyrr and Baulf. As Helga says, Dagstyrr seems to be afraid to slip up or give away her fellow Servants. She apparently is mentioning names in private to Helga, but is not voicing her suspicions in public. Although Baulf isn't normally very active, it seems very much like he's trying to appear active, but is mainly reiterating, calling out people for not contributing and spouting nonsense. Meanwhile, Lefsi seems to be relieved people are no longer questioning him and is happily coasting along. I wouldn't be surprised if he's a Servant flying under the radar.

[Scubacarrot]

My top suspects are based on information that most aren't privvy to. I'd like to wait until a few more people speak up so that my list doesn't influence theirs.

Okay, fair enough.

[WhiteFang]

My top 3 suspicions as of now are,

Dagstyr - I found him to be extremely jumpy and cautioned of answering any accusations that is potentially against him. I just somehow find him to be trying very hard to fly under radar at times.

Lefsi - He seem to be participating 'just' enough to make himself look active and he hardly have a strong opnion of its own, look to me like he seem to stand by to await for some of instructions to act accordingly.

Cantue - It is nothing personal, but I find him always jumping at me whenever there is a viable opportunity presented to him and it is like I am accounting for myself in public and it ended up that no questioning of any sort come from him as well. A lot of poking at others, may seem town friendly just to stir topic discussion but I find him doing too much of that.

[Captain Nemo]

Right now, my top three suspects are (In no particular order):

Baulf: Doesn't say much, and when he does, doesn't add anything new or useful to the conversation. Seems to be slipping by.

Lefsi: Also doesn't say much, slipping by--in a similar boat as Baulf.

Patrekr: My sucessful block target last night. With no scum kill, this is seeming like a similar situation to that of Dufa. Also doesn't say much.

[CorneliusMurdock]

I seem to share my top suspect with most of you. Dagstyr made a claim to me in private that I don't think is true. Here's the sequence of events:

• He contacts me saying that he's quiet out of fear of being lynched early like in other games.
  
• The situation occurs with Lefsi and Finn. I try to sort it out. Nemo brings forth his info publicly.
  
• Dagstyr asks me who needs protection the most that night.
  
• I ask him if he can counterclaim a protector role.
  
• He remains cryptic but states that we might have more than one if they are different.
  
• I later ask if he can protect someone that night.
  
• He asks about the target I gave him.
  
• Night passes. No townies die. Hooray!
  
• He tells me that he did protect the target and goes on to claim one-shot bodyguard.
  

Not only is the claim suspicious (we have yet to hear of any other one shot actions) but the way in which he claimed is suspicious. He seemed to be fishing for info on people I had been talking to more than anything. Together with his behavior or lack thereof in thread that we all find suspicious, I think he should be our lynch today.

Vote: Dagstyrr the Fool (Darkdragon)

As for my other two suspicions, I'd have to give Baulf second place. He seems to speak only to prove that he's not being quiet.

Third place is Patrekr. His behavior in thread and insistence that we were making a mistake with Dufa is odd. I'm not sure what to make of it.

[Scubacarrot]

Oh, we were allowed to vote. Vote: Dagstyrr "Pity" the Fool (Darkdragon)

Hey Mursi, if Dagstyrr turns out scum we can be buddies, how about that?

[CorneliusMurdock]

Hey Mursi, if Dagstyrr turns out scum we can be buddies, how about that?

I'm overcome with emotion.

[Palathadric]

Patrekr - ...as well as a few events that have transpired in the past.

Which events?

Vote: Dagstyrr the Fool (DarkDragon)

Third place is Patrekr. His behavior in thread and insistence that we were making a mistake with Dufa is odd. I'm not sure what to make of it.

I'm still feel quite sure that Naemr did not block the scum kill in blocking Dufa. I think most of us agree to that now, right? The vote was based on the theory that Nemo had blocked the scum kill. I had found Dufa a little suspicious, before then, but didn't find him too off. Besides, I found, and still to a certain extent find, Naemr to be rather suspicious, so I thought him the more likely scum than Dufa at the time.

Patrekr: My sucessful block target last night. With no scum kill, this is seeming like a similar situation to that of Dufa. Also doesn't say much.

Er...I think most of us agree that the scum killed Wary.

Wary was obviously the serial killer and I doubt it was the vig who took out Kolgrima and Jarni.

Mursi, you seemed pretty convinced Finn and Lefsi were not scum. I suppose you are still pretty confident about them?

[CorneliusMurdock]

Let's just say that, at this point, they are not worth a lynch. If you need more information than that you'll need a better fishing pole.