Scubacarrot Posted December 28, 2013 Posted December 28, 2013 I believe in the day investigator but the second they get a result that helps us nail a scum, you'd rather we lynch the investigator. Why did you find the result on Finn that suspicious? I think I layed that out comfortably yesterday. In fact, the only time you've been nice at all to me this game was when we were lynching Dagstyr, a townie. Why'd that make you so happy? I'm not here to be nice to you Mursi, even though you seem to value people being nice to you above EVERYTHING else. Know what Mursi, I don't have to explain how I am being helpful and stuff. My points are ignored, my words twisted, my questions unanswered, and then I get called a counterproductive idiot. I am town. Obvious town. Don't like it, don't believe it, well that's too sodding bad. Maybe the scum will try to lynch me, would be funny if Baulf starts voting for me. I will ask you to wait with voting till you see what happens. You were wrong about Sigrid. Even now you still say he was more likely scum. Why? The only other one that believed that so strongly was Dufa. I believed no one could be that unhelpful and quiet and still be town. Only later we learned that had also to do with issues outside of Valhalla. Look, I was wrong, big suprise, it's not the first time, and guess what, it's probably not going to be the last time. Why'd that make you so happy? Because Dagstyrr was a very good and unhelpful lynch candidate, right after lynching Dufa and getting rid of Wary, it was seeming we were on a roll. That made me a very happy woman.
CorneliusMurdock Posted December 28, 2013 Posted December 28, 2013 By all means, let's tell the scum they can run the vote today. Let's wait to see what they do. I don't value nicety above all else but you express doubt in me constantly with no reasons to back it up. I've shown you my reasons why I don't trust you. Be a dear and reciprocate. If there is a godfather or even a framer, my money is on yours being the false result. Patrekr has to be scum. According to my math, that's an absolute fact. What do the rest of you say?
Scubacarrot Posted December 28, 2013 Posted December 28, 2013 Please lay that math out for me? I don't value nicety above all else but you express doubt in me constantly with no reasons to back it up. I've shown you my reasons why I don't trust you. Be a dear and reciprocate. Haven't I been reciprocating on why you are wrong to suspect me constantly? And if you meant reciprocating on why I think you are scum, I just stated why I thought you were the only absolute confirmed townie according to me. Gratz. By all means, let's tell the scum they can run the vote today. Let's wait to see what they do. Seems like a plan. If there is a godfather or even a framer, my money is on yours being the false result. Can we make that bet official, or...?
Hinckley Posted December 28, 2013 Posted December 28, 2013 By all means, let's tell the scum they can run the vote today. Let's wait to see what they do. Seems like a plan. Are you guys serious?
MagPiesRUs Posted December 29, 2013 Author Posted December 29, 2013 You may now vote. With 7 players remaining, 4 votes are required for a conviction. 48 hours remain in the day.
CorneliusMurdock Posted December 29, 2013 Posted December 29, 2013 Are you guys serious? I'm sorry. I was being sarcastic but I'm unable to properly emoticon it currently. As for making my bet official, if Snotra is asking if I'll vote for her, I'm considering it. It would be a bet that would win or lose for all of us.
CMP Posted December 29, 2013 Posted December 29, 2013 Look. There are two possibilities here: A: The town block was compromised. Already questionable Day investigator refuses to tell me who they investigated yesterday now, so that's fun. I asked during the night, they didn't say anything. Maybe they figured the game would end? probably not, as that'd mean there'd be four scum, but since there is still a day, we know there are three. Possibility A says that Mursi, the Day investigator and person C are scum. Person C is most likely Canute, but could be someone else. I think I could figure that out by rereading things. Canute's reactions to being investigated were really really odd. There is also a distinct possibility he is a godfather, it would explain his weird reactions to being investigated. (What he did was questioning every move involved until the investigator told him) If I haven't been clear in the past, I don't trust you. Yeah, my reactions are going to be weird, that's me being careful. Want to have a discussion about a possible framer? Sure. Let's have it. There is a day investigator. Would that mean a day framer? There are five scum. Would one of them really be a Framer? Really? I don't think so. Framer is an incredibly niche role, most likely countered by a blocker and a godfather. Considering a framer as a distinct possibility is dumb and counterproductive. I can agree it's unlikely, but not dumb and counterproductive. Though I appreciate an expert's opinion in those fields. What has Canute done to be so helpful? And I still have not received answers why he had to be investigated right then and there, where his odd behaviour following that came from, and wether or not it was Mursi that pushed for Canute to be investigated. These are important things. What do you expect me to say to this? I haven't pushed for anyone's lynch, I don't have any damning night action results, I haven't brought up anything incredibly suspicious on anybody. I can't quote anything specific, if you'll look back through the past few days, I don't think I've been ultimately unhelpful, and I've still added a hell of a lot more than several of us here. Why not Snotra, Baulf and Patrekr or Wilhalm? Or any other mutation of it. Why are Patrekr and Baulf confirmed scum according to you? There's seven of us left. I trust two others, leaving four. I would put money on Patrekr and Baulf before you or Wilhalm.
CorneliusMurdock Posted December 29, 2013 Posted December 29, 2013 There should be 3 scum left. Even if Patrekr and Baulf were both scum, there should be one more. Which means that there's a high probability of the investigator's results being tampered with. Based on behavior alone, I think Snotra is the most likely tampered result. The question is, though, whether we should go after her today or lynch Patrekr who, by process of elimination, must be scum and whose track record of unhelpfulness is also quite remarkable.
Scubacarrot Posted December 29, 2013 Posted December 29, 2013 Answer my questions? Not with what you two just said? That doesn't help anybody. Vote: Patrekr (Paladathric) It would be a bet that would win or lose for all of us. No, you would cause the town to lose.
Bob Posted December 29, 2013 Posted December 29, 2013 Patrekr has to be scum. According to my math, that's an absolute fact. What do the rest of you say? Have you shown your math yet? Are we ever going to see it?
Palathadric Posted December 29, 2013 Posted December 29, 2013 Patrekr has to be scum. According to my math, that's an absolute fact. What do the rest of you say? Even though I think Baulf is likely scum at this point, I do have to question your math. You seem to think that both me and Baulf are quite certainly scum, yet according to your math only my name appears. Also has Wilhalm been confirmed or why is he out of your list of possible scum? I have to say that he would be on my list probably alongside Baulf and Canute. If Wilhalm is seriously trusted (and it appears that Helga is too), then I have to say that something is wrong with your investigator. Have either Helga or Wilhalm been investigated?
CorneliusMurdock Posted December 29, 2013 Posted December 29, 2013 Nope. My math won't be revealed at this time. We're pretty certain that the scum have a way to mess with results and you guys want us to spell out who might be investigated next? Patrekr can you give us some reasons why you think everyone but you is suspicious?
CMP Posted December 29, 2013 Posted December 29, 2013 Vote: Patrekr (Palathadric), since, well....he can't be town.
Palathadric Posted December 29, 2013 Posted December 29, 2013 I think I've said why I think Canute is scum. He seems to have avoided the troublesome times and especially on the first days focused on just trying to get quiet people to speak up. Apart from that he's not really done anything noteworthy at all and seems to be trying to avoid getting into any serious arguments. I think it's well-nigh impossible that he's vanilla town, so either he's scum or a power role. It seems like many of our PRs are already dead including, but not limited to, a tracker, watcher, blocker, and vigilante, did I forget anyone else? So that leaves the options very limited for Canute. I know we have a claimed protector and investigator according to what Mursi has said before, so if Canute is not one of those I'd be pretty confident he's scum. Even if he is a claimed one I would be very unconvinced without some proof of actual helpfulness behind the scenes. Mursi, I don't think you're scum and I haven't for a while. The possibility is there, but you seem to be trying to coordinate things and I just haven't been getting a scummy vibe off of you. Helga I didn't have a scummy read off of at all this game, which is a bit unusual. I think I read her quite well usually and her alignment and this game, at least in the beginning, I've gotten nothing buy a townie vibe off her. Recently she doesn't really seem to be adding a whole lot and just drifting by which is unusual for her. Mursi doesn't seem to have given her a second thought though, but I don't think it's ever been mentioned whether she's confirmed or not. I think I've stated my suspicions of both Baulf and Wilhalm before. They're both hard to read because they just don't do much. Maybe I'm like that too. I don't know. I like to think I'm more "in there" and have actually tried to throw suspicions around, but maybe everyone else sees it differently. The heat seems to have disappeared from Wilhalm completely even though he was very close to being lynched a few days ago. His claim was very weak and one that I wouldn't put any trust in it. I have to say that it probably almost made me more suspicious of him than I had been. Perhaps he just claimed that in-thread to get people off his back and claimed something else behind the scenes but otherwise I have a hard time believing him. Snotra could blow either way. I lean more as town on her, and I certainly won't vote for her today. I think I'd rank my top suspects as Baulf, Wilhalm, and Canute. As far as your math goes, I know it must be off because I'm not scum, but unless you're utterly and completely deceived or scum trying to ensure that one of two townies is the one to go, I would tend to think that perhaps your reasons for suspecting Baulf are legitimate, so I guess I'll go ahead and vote him. Vote: Baulf (Bob) Although, of course, judging by the length of our beards and that no one with a beard close to our length was scum I would totally consider myself, Mursi, and Canute as the most loyalest of Einherjars.
MagPiesRUs Posted December 30, 2013 Author Posted December 30, 2013 Vote Count: Patrekr the Red (Palathadric): 2 votes (Scubacarrot, CallMePie) Baulf (Bob): 1 vote (Palathadric) 4 votes are required to convict. 23.5 hours remain in the day.
Scubacarrot Posted December 30, 2013 Posted December 30, 2013 Come on Mursi, vote, didn't you say your math made it 100% clear Patrekr had to be scum? Or is there something else today you want to discuss? What I'm kinda worried about is that Mursi's math relies on Canute being einherjar, somehing we still haven't got reasons for why, except for "trying to help behind the scenes more than counterproductive idiots". Which, really, is no reason whatsoever.
MagPiesRUs Posted December 30, 2013 Author Posted December 30, 2013 Vote Count: Patrekr the Red (Palathadric): 3 votes (Scubacarrot, CallMePie, Hinckley) Baulf (Bob): 1 vote (Palathadric) Yet to vote: 3 (Cornelius Murdock, WhiteFang, Bob) 4 votes are required to convict. 12 hours remain in the day as of this post.
CorneliusMurdock Posted December 30, 2013 Posted December 30, 2013 There is always something to discuss. Don't think that I'm just arbitrarily saying Patrekr is scum and going off on holiday. I'm combing through every piece of information we have double checking a few things and trying to work out the final steps to get rid of the scum. What I'm kinda worried about is that Mursi's math relies on Canute being einherjar, somehing we still haven't got reasons for why, except for "trying to help behind the scenes more than counterproductive idiots". Which, really, is no reason whatsoever. Why do you distrust him so much? Even if you think he's not helping at all, he's at least as cleared as you are.
Scubacarrot Posted December 30, 2013 Posted December 30, 2013 As cleared as me, sure, but there is a great deal of distrust against me, and NONE whatsoever on him. That distinction doesn't make sense. I'm just saying, your 100% math is not 100% math if you are considering Canute to be 100% town. And then it could be Canute being the godfather and baulf and Wilhalm being his scumbuddy's. And we'd lose.
Bob Posted December 30, 2013 Posted December 30, 2013 Vote: Patrekr the Red / Palathadric I'll trust Mursi and his math, but what puzzles me a bit is that he's not voting for Patrekr like he suggests.
CorneliusMurdock Posted December 30, 2013 Posted December 30, 2013 If you can't tell how un-townie your behavior is, Snotra, you're delusional. Baulf, I've been still coming to a decision about a few things like whether it would it would behoove us to be rid of Snotra instead. But I think I will Vote: Patrekr the Red (Palathadric) After all. What puzzles me is how neither of you question my math despite it implicating you both equally.
WhiteFang Posted December 30, 2013 Posted December 30, 2013 Same sentiments and it appears Mursi is making a better sense out of this. Let's get our next scum. Vote: Patrekr the Red (Palathadric)
Scubacarrot Posted December 30, 2013 Posted December 30, 2013 If you can't tell how un-townie your behavior is, Snotra, you're delusional. After all. What puzzles me is how neither of you question my math despite it implicating you both equally. I'm not delusional, you just have a waaay too high opinion of yourself than is warranted. Townie, unless the scum did a really weird and dumb gambit, but acting like a silly person. Fourth time I have to explain this? I don't question the basis of your math because as I have described you should be town. I am however worried that your math relies on things that are not a 100% certain. Like Canute. And what part of my behaviour is un-townlike this time? Is it that I question what you say? What? It doesn't even matter because I will get called all kinds of names by you anyway. Seriously man, I hope you're trying something like "baiting me out" or whatever, because if you're serious, I'd question your sanity.
CorneliusMurdock Posted December 30, 2013 Posted December 30, 2013 That last part wasn't in reference to you. Not everything is. I'm going to ignore you (Snotra) now. I have better things to do. You're very probably scum and we'll take care of you later.
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