Legends of Chima 2014 Discussion

[xxlrocka]

Welp.

I feel sorry for you americans, LEGO forcing you guys to miss out on the upcoming Chima constraction fun. But hey, at least you still have Mixels and HF to comfort you.

...I'm totally getting Sir Fangar.

[Mesonak]

Welp.

I feel sorry for you americans, LEGO forcing you guys to miss out on the upcoming Chima constraction fun. But hey, at least you still have Mixels and HF to comfort you.

...I'm totally getting Sir Fangar.

Current understanding is that they will not be released ANYWHERE.

You'll have to share our pain. :P

[Bfahome]

When I see things like "not final" and "may change", that just seems like the original purpose of the article was clickbait.

"You won't BELIEVE what sets LEGO isn't going to release this year!"

"I almost cried when LEGO told me this line was cancelled."

"10 sets that would have blown us away. Once you see them you'll see why!"

[Aanchir]

I have to agree with DeeVee here. The LEGO Group is already going to greater lengths to inform and engage with the community than any major toy company I know of. Sure, they probably can find ways to improve how they do that in the years to come. But to act as though we're entitled to a press release or direct dialogue with a LEGO employee for each and every development that might interest us is absurd, especially since secrecy is a big issue for a company the LEGO Group's size — not every employee can be authorized to engage directly with fans, and those who can are not always qualified or available to satisfy fan requests.

In the meantime, a lot of fans are perfectly happy to get news from the LEGO Ambassadors, and to have a channel through which they can request this kind of information at all. Is the program 100% reliable? No, but it's reliable enough to be trusted for info that we don't need to get any more than the LEGO Group needs to provide it. Bear in mind that this is a hobby, and we don't really stand to lose anything we currently have if these products don't get released.

[3rdeye88]

I have to agree with DeeVee here. The LEGO Group is already going to greater lengths to inform and engage with the community than any major toy company I know of. Sure, they probably can find ways to improve how they do that in the years to come. But to act as though we're entitled to a press release or direct dialogue with a LEGO employee for each and every development that might interest us is absurd, especially since secrecy is a big issue for a company the LEGO Group's size — not every employee can be authorized to engage directly with fans, and those who can are not always qualified or available to satisfy fan requests.

In the meantime, a lot of fans are perfectly happy to get news from the LEGO Ambassadors, and to have a channel through which they can request this kind of information at all. Is the program 100% reliable? No, but it's reliable enough to be trusted for info that we don't need to get any more than the LEGO Group needs to provide it. Bear in mind that this is a hobby, and we don't really stand to lose anything we currently have if these products don't get released.

I never said anything about entitlement, I was simply asking why's it so hard to have a more reliable faster method of that communication? Like I said one blog page for all the news and stuff like this for all AFOLs across the board, not just us action figure fans And everyone gets the news at once as long as they're following. I was really ready to move on and get back on topic but you guys just have to be right don't you? You just can't let it go and move on can you?

things starts to get out of hand here. how about we're all agreed to let everyone believe what they want here? 3rdeye refuse to believe on lego ambassador's words. i think that's fine too. let's respect his decison on that. in exchange, 3rdeye, please don't bring this up again, because most of us choose to believe lego ambassador's words. fair enough?

There's your answer Bacem. No petty squabblers, can't respect my decision, they have to beat me over the head with what they think is right until they feel satisfied that they've asserted their dominating opinion and the challenging notion they didn't like in the first place goes away.

Getting back to the off topic at hand(because apparently letting it go like Bacem suggested isn't an option), what this is is journalism. Reporting information and news. In actual journalism, you have to site and credit your sources to be a reputable source of information. This isn't that. This is "I heard from a vague source that I won't disclose that, While this information is not final and may change..." So all we're really left with is nothing but conjecture. I'm with what Dorek said, sounds like clickbait to get more traffic to BZP to me. This is controversial news with no source. Therefore clearly we can see how unreliable this system can be. And therefore that's why it's an issue with me.

[dviddy]

I think it more has to do with the presentation of the information rather than the information itself. When I see things like "not final" and "may change", that just seems like the original purpose of the article was clickbait. What was the context of this; was this mentioned offhand, or in a formal announcement? I appreciate the update and it's good to know that there is in fact something amiss with the line, but at the same time there isn't much concrete info to walk away with.

I don't doubt the information, since BZP has always been pretty reputable when it comes to things like this. And it is a bummer if it turns out to stay this way; makes you wonder where those showroom models will end up.

The context was Andrew has been sending emails to LEGO regarding the Chima constraction sets since he found out about the German toyfair, and has been awaiting a reply since then, and then got one. It was in a personal email exchange with Andrew and a LEGO employee (most likely am email chain ending with a CEE team member).

Getting back to the off topic at hand(because apparently letting it go like Bacem suggested isn't an option), what this is is journalism. Reporting information and news. In actual journalism, you have to site and credit your sources to be a reputable source of information. This isn't that. This is "I heard from a vague source that I won't disclose that, While this information is not final and may change..." So all we're really left with is nothing but conjecture. I'm with what Dorek said, sounds like clickbait to get more traffic to BZP to me. This is controversial news with no source. Therefore clearly we can see how unreliable this system can be. And therefore that's why it's an issue with me.

He didn't say it was a vauge source he won't disclose (which is perfectly acceptable in journalism, by the way, as someone who took journalism classes), he said he heard it from LEGO, which is as official as you should need. It's not conjecture, it is a concrete answer saying the line has been scrapped, as of now, and that while this may change, this is the official response.

The only reason we even know that much is because Andrew went out of his way to get in touch with someone at LEGO to answer the "but why weren't they on display at NY and not in the brochure or lineup mentions?"

Ambassadors are the only reason we knew Breez and the mosquito dude had been pushed back during the Breakout wave too. TLG is more than content to just not say anything about these sort of things (especially with little-to-no official announcments of the sets even existing to begin with), but Andrew has been emailing and trying to figure it out so he can share his findings with everyone.

The issue is that you're being petulant and obstinate for no reason, complaining of no official sources or a first-hand source when you have both according to the way TLG does communication with fans. TLG does a lot for their fans and the community, and as we are all aware, much of it is stuff they could stop at any moment and be justified as a company doing so.

Like I said one blog page for all the news and stuff like this for all AFOLs across the board, not just us action figure fans And everyone gets the news at once as long as they're following.

Because this isn't "news" for TLG to post? The cancellation of a future product lineup that has yet to be officially announced to the public? Why would you even mention it? TLG sends out press releases for new products just like any other company, this isn't press a company sends out. "Oh hey we canceled that lineup you weren't supposed to see anyway" is not something a company wants to put out.

There are lots of things in life to maybe be cynical and dubious of- TLG sending info to ambassadors is not one of them.

[bacem]

guys, this thing is getting off topic more and more from the intended topic this thread is made for. if you really really want to continue this through the end, how about making another separate thread, or continue it on PM?

[3rdeye88]

The context was Andrew has been sending emails to LEGO regarding the Chima constraction sets since he found out about the German toyfair, and has been awaiting a reply since then, and then got one. It was in a personal email exchange with Andrew and a LEGO employee (most likely am email chain ending with a CEE team member).

He didn't say it was a vauge source he won't disclose (which is perfectly acceptable in journalism, by the way, as someone who took journalism classes), he said he heard it from LEGO, which is as official as you should need. It's not conjecture, it is a concrete answer saying the line has been scrapped, as of now, and that while this may change, this is the official response.

The only reason we even know that much is because Andrew went out of his way to get in touch with someone at LEGO to answer the "but why weren't they on display at NY and not in the brochure or lineup mentions?"

Ambassadors are the only reason we knew Breez and the mosquito dude had been pushed back during the Breakout wave too. TLG is more than content to just not say anything about these sort of things (especially with little-to-no official announcments of the sets even existing to begin with), but Andrew has been emailing and trying to figure it out so he can share his findings with everyone.

The issue is that you're being petulant and obstinate for no reason, complaining of no official sources or a first-hand source when you have both according to the way TLG does communication with fans. TLG does a lot for their fans and the community, and as we are all aware, much of it is stuff they could stop at any moment and be justified as a company doing so.

Because this isn't "news" for TLG to post? The cancellation of a future product lineup that has yet to be officially announced to the public? Why would you even mention it? TLG sends out press releases for new products just like any other company, this isn't press a company sends out. "Oh hey we canceled that lineup you weren't supposed to see anyway" is not something a company wants to put out.

There are lots of things in life to maybe be cynical and dubious of- TLG sending info to ambassadors is not one of them.

I'm not suggesting lego makes a huge deal about it. I keep saying a small blog page would work. Something very quick, simple, cheap, and reliable. Not huge press releases all the time. Just something where fans could follow and when things like this come up, its a simple communication with the people who do actually care about these kinds of things directly, Because no, this isn't direct. I don't know who this Andrew jackoff is. There isn't very much information to go on why should I trust it? Just cause you say I should? I want to see for myself, I want to hear for myself and most importantly, I want to think for myself. I want the information straight from the source so I know it didn't get misinterpreted, misheard, or recommunicated incorrectly, and most importantly, so I get all the facts as they should be presented so I can draw my own conclusion,

I've been to many conventions, they're noisy, they're crowded, there's a lot going on. I don't really wanna heard the facts from one of you guys hearing about something from someone at one of them.

Nothing's going to change here. You guys are gonna keep doing things as they're being doing I'm not going to buy into this second hand information. So this whole discussion is pointless.

guys, this thing is getting off topic more and more from the intended topic this thread is made for. if you really really want to continue this through the end, how about making another separate thread, or continue it on PM?

I agreed with you 9 postings ago.

[CabooseBM]

To be fair, the discussion of whether or not the Chima Constraction toyline is cancelled might have a little something to do with the Chima Constraction toyline topic.

Crazy idea, I know.

[bacem]

I agreed with you 9 postings ago.

yes, i know. that's why i didn't mention your name anymore.

[Rick]

I won't agree to not bring it up in the future, but this has gotten off topic and I've said my piece, so I'm done. We should get back on topic.

Let's do just that then and get this thread back on topic again, everyone.

guys, this thing is getting off topic more and more from the intended topic this thread is made for. if you really really want to continue this through the end, how about making another separate thread, or continue it on PM?

PM is the way to go.

[3rdeye88]

Okay, so entertaining the notion that this line is scrapped, have any production sets been made or just the display/prototypes like we saw at the toy fair? How soon does lego typically start production of a series before its intended release? And since the ambassadors are so in touch with lego as you won't shut up about, is it possible to get some kind of petition type movement happening where they do release it but perhaps in smaller numbers?

[Toby Adams]

NOooOoOoOoOoOOoOoOoO! Constracion is going!

[3rdeye88]

NOooOoOoOoOoOOoOoOoO! Constracion is going!

I'm pretty sure this doesn't mean constraction as a whole is going. We actually determined in the HF ending in 2015? thread that its probably going to stick around for a while, just with different names along the way. This possible news just means that the Chima Ultrabuilds might not be released, that's if it proves true at all.

[davidr]

uuh, CUUSOO with toyfair pics of these sets could be a solution? crazy idea, but there are crazier things in the world, like cancelling this in the first place o_o

[Toby Adams]

I'm pretty sure this doesn't mean constraction as a whole is going. We actually determined in the HF ending in 2015? thread that its probably going to stick around for a while, just with different names along the way. This possible news just means that the Chima Ultrabuilds might not be released, that's if it proves true at all.

True, beacuse BIONICLE may return in 2015

[bacem]

True, beacuse BIONICLE may return in 2015

that one also just a rumor, for now.

[Vinyl Scratch]

True, beacuse BIONICLE may return in 2015

... People are still on to this?

[Toby Adams]

... People are still on to this?

If I came across a bit demanding, I am sorry. I only say that it may return beacuse Castle did. Then agents. They have a good chance now to release a new story and wave but I dought it now.

[dviddy]

that one also just a rumor, for now.

The Chima sets being canceled isn't a rumour, it comes directly from LEGO. The idea that BIONICLE could be coming back is entirely baseless speculation.

Okay, so entertaining the notion that this line is scrapped, have any production sets been made or just the display/prototypes like we saw at the toy fair? How soon does lego typically start production of a series before its intended release? And since the ambassadors are so in touch with lego as you won't shut up about, is it possible to get some kind of petition type movement happening where they do release it but perhaps in smaller numbers?

LEGO puts sets into production six months before release. Though that information came from an employee talk at a convention, so...

Edited March 23, 2014 by Darth Vader

[Bfahome]

And since the ambassadors are so in touch with lego as you won't shut up about, is it possible to get some kind of petition type movement happening where they do release it but perhaps in smaller numbers?

I don't think that would be practical. The smaller release, that is. It wouldn't be as profitable, unless they sold the sets at higher price points, in which case they probably wouldn't sell as well. Again we're running into the issue that these are sets that haven't been widely officially announced yet, so their cancellation wouldn't be that significant to most of their target audience.

(The "let's petition LEGO" thing has just become funny to me at this point, having seen 3-4 years of "bring back BIONICLE!")

uuh, CUUSOO with toyfair pics of these sets could be a solution? crazy idea, but there are crazier things in the world, like cancelling this in the first place o_o

Nope.

[VBBN]

A company cancelling a toyline is nothing new and not that rare. Hasbro, Maisto, Mattel all do it, and often it is cancelling an entire wave of figures after they've been publicly revealed.

Lego doesn't do it all too often, but I can't say i'm surprised that they did. There are most likely a wide slew of sets that have been created in prototype form but never made it to the public, it's just in this particular case the sets made it a step further. If anything i'm a bit surprised that the sets were as far along as they were, the parts did not appear to be prototype material, they were fully produced which means that there was already molds in existence for those parts. (Chest and head pieces that is, the one armor add-on is on Queen Beast so we will at least get that part.)

[Jetrax99]

The Chima sets being canceled isn't a rumour, it comes directly from LEGO. The idea that BIONICLE could be coming back is entirely baseless speculation.

Yes. It did come directly from a LEGO employee, but they even admitted they "received a 'vague anser'". So even this is speculation as it's one employee's interpretation of what he heard. It's a rumor.

[Toby Adams]

This about CHIMA figures being cancelled is so confusing....

[Bfahome]

Yes. It did come directly from a LEGO employee, but they even admitted they "received a 'vague anser'". So even this is speculation as it's one employee's interpretation of what he heard. It's a rumor.

People have been claiming Hero Factory's death almost every year since it began, usually on the basis of "the sets are getting worse" or "the designs are getting lazier" or some other generic criticism leveled at any set ever by at least one person. We've never gotten any indication of its end from any official source, "vague" or not.

Call them what you will, but one of them actually has evidence to support it.