Legends of Chima 2014 Discussion

[Sir Brickalot]

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[bacem]

I heard a rumor that Chima Constraction figures of 2013 were(are) shelfwarmers in the U.S.A. Dunno if that was true, but it would stand as a reason.

they're also shelfwarmer here in indonesia. they didn't even sell well even after gone through 40% sale.

[3rdeye88]

I refuse to believe this either. Seeing as how various departments within Lego don't know what Lego's doing half the time I don't really see this as holding much water. Plus no actual source was given. And like Shakar said, the way Lego Built up this series from last year suggests the other direction. I call BS on this one. Give me some real evidence, a creative lead or marketing head, and then I'll believe they got scrapped.

As for how the sets sold over here. I do see them on the shelf alot, but about the same as HF though. My TRU still has Breakout Era sets so what does that say?

Why are people so quick to believe word of mouth around here?

[bacem]

well the easienst way is to wait. those supposedly out on august, so if until then there's still no sign of them going on S@H, then it's true. otherwise, it's BS.

[Bfahome]

Why are people so quick to believe word of mouth around here?

Because it's coming from BZP's LEGO Ambassador? The one with all the connections? The most likely person among us to have access to this information?

[dviddy]

Because it's coming from BZP's LEGO Ambassador? The one with all the connections? The most likely person among us to have access to this information?

Right???? This weird "I don't believe it unless an employee says it!" thing is irritating- an employee -did- say it, hence the article. Ambassadors exist to be go-betweens for the company and the fans. Andrew has actual connections (more than I do and I have quite a few these days thanks to conventions). There would be no article had an employee not told Andrew this. There is most likely no name attached because most likely the email was forwarded from ine department to another until it reached a CEE team member who got it to Andrew, and the quoted employee is probably not on the "allowed to interact with online fans" list.

A lot if TLG's communication is done at conventions and through Ambassadors, who then send these things out to the community at large. TLG is rarely a company that sends these sort of things out via traditional media and press releases. They prefer the community channels. If you are a LEGO fan and want those sort of info dumps, believing official liaisons or convention chatter is your only source for 95% of things.

[bacem]

just in case, here's about lego ambassador

as stated there, lego ambassador is the one who bear a responsibility to connect lego communities and CEE. andrew is clearly on the list, so i don't think he would spread a baseless news just for fun. he has a reputation to live for.

[BFN]

It seems odd that they would be displayed fairly prominently at one Toy Fair and then "abandoned" so soon after. Especially since these ones seemed to have had so much time and money invested into their development. I suppose such short-term decisions are possible, or the decision could have already been in progress during the Nuremberg Toy Fair, but the Ultrabuilds seemed to have been displayed fairly prominently... I have no reason to doubt BZPower, but I feel there is a fair amount of specific information that it hasn't been provided.

[DraikNova]

Really, this seems like the worst news I've had in a while. I'd have been happier if they hadn't actually shown the sets at all if this goes through; all that hype for some of the best sets for MOCcing I've seen and then nothing. I quite liked last year's sets quite a bit: they were gone by my next visit to the LEGO store, actually.

On the other hand, if it's only the US that isn't getting the sets, I'm going to have to do my very best not to be an extremely annoying show-off.

I do hope that we get some official news, though. Considering who posted it, it's more believable than the usual "heard it from an employee at the store" rumors, but, while the employees do oftentimes know about cancellations, I'm still going to take this with a grain of salt until we see the official, finalized line-up of sets or get an official statement. After all, we heard dozens of stories about HF not selling well and being cancelled, sometimes from people who were extremely accurate about other news, while this year HF seems stronger than ever.

[CabooseBM]

Well.

Lie down. Try not to cry.

Cry a lot.

[3rdeye88]

Because it's coming from BZP's LEGO Ambassador? The one with all the connections? The most likely person among us to have access to this information?

Right???? This weird "I don't believe it unless an employee says it!" thing is irritating- an employee -did- say it, hence the article. Ambassadors exist to be go-betweens for the company and the fans. Andrew has actual connections (more than I do and I have quite a few these days thanks to conventions). There would be no article had an employee not told Andrew this. There is most likely no name attached because most likely the email was forwarded from ine department to another until it reached a CEE team member who got it to Andrew, and the quoted employee is probably not on the "allowed to interact with online fans" list.

A lot if TLG's communication is done at conventions and through Ambassadors, who then send these things out to the community at large. TLG is rarely a company that sends these sort of things out via traditional media and press releases. They prefer the community channels. If you are a LEGO fan and want those sort of info dumps, believing official liaisons or convention chatter is your only source for 95% of things.

Why's it so difficult to have a press release kind of email or blog to follow? Why does it have to be 95% convention chatter? That's honestly a stupid system of informing the community, because what if someone from lego says something then it gets misinterpreted or just not told correctly? Its still word of mouth and that's not at all a reliable system for informing the community. This is the internet for crying out loud, its not difficult to have officially sourcable information coming from a team or individual who's fact checked things within lego to make sure its correct information.

So yes, until something can be sourced, sited, linked and referred back to, I take it all with a grain of salt.

[Bfahome]

information coming from a team or individual who's fact checked things within lego to make sure its correct information.

So basically you want to hear the news from the kind of person who broke the news in the first place.

[3rdeye88]

So basically you want to hear the news from the kind of person who broke the news in the first place.

Pretty much. This I can't buy into too much. But for example if someone from the CEE team posted on their blog that "we're sorry to inform you all, but such and such thing is happening." I'd buy that. I'd call that pretty concrete information. Not this vague obscure "I heard it from such and such guy at a convention." Well if its such important news why can't they have proper channels to put the information out there directly? Why's that asking too much?

[PenPlays]

So basically you want to hear the news from the kind of person who broke the news in the first place.

It's more of a case that we would like to have confirmation from someone first hand, as opposed to second hand from an Ambassador.

It's a simple request. Front or even Nabii would be reliable.

I don't really understand as the Chima Constraction Figures sold really well in my area, some more than others, of course.

[Bfahome]

Well if its such important news why can't they have proper channels to put the information out there directly? Why's that asking too much?

This is literally what the Ambassadors are there for. To act as an information bridge between The LEGO Group and the LEGO community.

Heck, it makes sense that they might release fewer constraction sets, at least in North America, since The LEGO Movie pushed back the release of this latest Hero Factory wave.

[Kingriedak]

oi, ive seen a fellow on bzp worrying if lego might pull constraction entirely, its very unlikely, but it got me a wee bit worried.

hopefully these parts end up in the new 2015 line.

[bacem]

oi, ive seen a fellow on bzp worrying if lego might pull constraction entirely, its very unlikely, but it got me a wee bit worried.

hopefully these parts end up in the new 2015 line.

the constraction parts itself won't go away anytime soon according to Front.

[Kingriedak]

huzzah huzzah, its great news because, personally without constraction lines ive almost got no interest in anything else lego, aside from technic.

[dviddy]

Pretty much. This I can't buy into too much. But for example if someone from the CEE team posted on their blog that "we're sorry to inform you all, but such and such thing is happening." I'd buy that. I'd call that pretty concrete information. Not this vague obscure "I heard it from such and such guy at a convention." Well if its such important news why can't they have proper channels to put the information out there directly? Why's that asking too much?

Because the CEE team talking at a convention IS an official and direct channel? Because Ambassadors are an official and direct channel?

When I talk about things I have heard at a convention, it is with names unless I'm not allowed to give them (some TLG employees I know attend conventions and are not open with their employment with TLG because they want to participate in the community as a fan still). The CEE team's job involves community relations, and a primary channel is through convention talks. The CEE blog exists to keep fans updated on what the CEE team does, not what TLG is doing. That is not their job.

You are being weirdly obstinate, because this news did come from an official channel- it came from a LEGO ambassador for the premeir constraction site in the world.

As has been mentioned, the AFOL world makes up less than 5% of TLG's sales. You should feel glad that there are any channels at all from which we get information. The general public is both not aware of these sets and will not care if they never show up. Why put out a press release for something a statistical outlier alone cares about?

That would be stupid.

[3rdeye88]

Because the CEE team talking at a convention IS an official and direct channel? Because Ambassadors are an official and direct channel?

When I talk about things I have heard at a convention, it is with names unless I'm not allowed to give them (some TLG employees I know attend conventions and are not open with their employment with TLG because they want to participate in the community as a fan still). The CEE team's job involves community relations, and a primary channel is through convention talks. The CEE blog exists to keep fans updated on what the CEE team does, not what TLG is doing. That is not their job.

You are being weirdly obstinate, because this news did come from an official channel- it came from a LEGO ambassador for the premeir constraction site in the world.

As has been mentioned, the AFOL world makes up less than 5% of TLG's sales. You should feel glad that there are any channels at all from which we get information. The general public is both not aware of these sets and will not care if they never show up. Why put out a press release for something a statistical outlier alone cares about?

That would be stupid.

By that argument, why have the CEE team at all? The budget it takes to run that department for a measly 5%? Why not just leave us completely in the dark. And you're damned right that's how I see it. No that's not an official channel that's second hand information. How hard is it to run an Eblogger page and throw up quick announcements and allow people to comment so that they could see first hand what the community reaction(as knee jerk as it can be sometimes) is to a given announcement? It would literally take one person to run the site and we could all be filled in at once. Not waiting around till one of you geniuses got the opportunity to talk to them and report the news. You're one of the prestigious ones who's on the inside, of course you're going to argue that its fine the way it is.

One last time, let me spell it out for you, no...I don't want to hear it from you hearing it from them, I want to hear it from them! Why is that so difficult?

[bacem]

things starts to get out of hand here. how about we're all agreed to let everyone believe what they want here? 3rdeye refuse to believe on lego ambassador's words. i think that's fine too. let's respect his decison on that. in exchange, 3rdeye, please don't bring this up again, because most of us choose to believe lego ambassador's words. fair enough?

[3rdeye88]

things starts to get out of hand here. how about we're all agreed to let everyone believe what they want here? 3rdeye refuse to believe on lego ambassador's words. i think that's fine too. let's respect his decison on that. in exchange, 3rdeye, please don't bring this up again, because most of us choose to believe lego ambassador's words. fair enough?

I won't agree to not bring it up in the future, but this has gotten off topic and I've said my piece, so I'm done. We should get back on topic.

[exxtrooper]

Someone mentioned that they're only cancelled in the US, though I suspect this is only a rumor.

[dviddy]

Someone mentioned that they're only cancelled in the US, though I suspect this is only a rumor.

It is a rumor. The word to Andrew, BZP's official Ambassador, is that the lineup is currently canceled globally, but that this could change.

By that argument, why have the CEE team at all? The budget it takes to run that department for a measly 5%? Why not just leave us completely in the dark. And you're damned right that's how I see it. No that's not an official channel that's second hand information. How hard is it to run an Eblogger page and throw up quick announcements and allow people to comment so that they could see first hand what the community reaction(as knee jerk as it can be sometimes) is to a given announcement? It would literally take one person to run the site and we could all be filled in at once. Not waiting around till one of you geniuses got the opportunity to talk to them and report the news. You're one of the prestigious ones who's on the inside, of course you're going to argue that its fine the way it is.

One last time, let me spell it out for you, no...I don't want to hear it from you hearing it from them, I want to hear it from them! Why is that so difficult?

An ambassador -is-a firsthand source, that is the entire point of the program. The send out news from TLG that is community oriented that is not worth a press release, so exactly this situation. This is the team doing their job and following official channels. You are not going to get an official lego employee to comment most likely, because most employees are not allowed to post on places like this, because of international child safety laws. There are reasons Front says little at all about things until they have been released.

The CEE team's main purpose is official community support, so they send LUGs care packages, they help popular fan sites with media and promotions, they interact as an in-between for global systems and fans, etc. they are not publicity- they cannot send out press releases, they can just send out notices to ambassadors or speak to official fan events like cons. Other things are not their jobs, and as friends with several of those team members, the idea that they have time to help YOU when they have ALREADY sent out an answer via official channels is just irritating. The Ambassador program exists for scenarios like this, specifically so you DO get answers. You got one from a firsthand source- an ambassador. As far as TLG's communications are concerned, that is firsthand sourcing. It is not just hearsay- Andrew could lose LEGO support for both our LUG and BZP by making things up and saying it came from LEGO.

If you really want firsthand conversations, join a LUG or go to a convention. Otherwise you need to resign yourself to the channels we have.

[Dorek]

I think it more has to do with the presentation of the information rather than the information itself. When I see things like "not final" and "may change", that just seems like the original purpose of the article was clickbait. What was the context of this; was this mentioned offhand, or in a formal announcement? I appreciate the update and it's good to know that there is in fact something amiss with the line, but at the same time there isn't much concrete info to walk away with.

I don't doubt the information, since BZP has always been pretty reputable when it comes to things like this. And it is a bummer if it turns out to stay this way; makes you wonder where those showroom models will end up.