LEGO Hobbit 2014

[deskp]

What do you guys think about a Beard/armor piece for the Iron Hill dwarves?

I say print their armor onto their torso, give them Dwalins beard in various colors and a new helmet mold.

This way you can mix up your army with all the old non hobbit dwarf beards aswell as Gimlis beard. Instead of getting 1 beard/armor mold wich leaves ur entire army identical.

I inted on rewatching the bit on the bluray from auj to check what the ebard situation is on the group of ironill dwarves.

[kevkipo]

In the third adaptation of The Hobbit trilogy by Peter Jackson, Dáin will be played by the Scottish comedian Billy Connolly. He will ride into battle upon a wild boar, and sport a mohawk, much like Dwalin in the battle of Azanulbizar. He has been described by Peter Jackson as "the toughest and staunchest of all the dwarves."

Are you sure he will wear a mohawk?

The rest i knew already but still thanks :)

I say print their armor onto their torso, give them Dwalins beard in various colors and a new helmet mold.

This way you can mix up your army with all the old non hobbit dwarf beards aswell as Gimlis beard. Instead of getting 1 beard/armor mold wich leaves ur entire army identical.

Thats a good idea :) i also was thinking about Dwalins beard

[deskp]

Thats a good idea :) i also was thinking about Dwalins beard

After watching the bit. They do have different beards, But the chest armor is not something that makes sense to mold.

BUT the shoulder armor they have certainly is.

So they could either make a new beard+shoulder piece, or make an shoulder piece that fits some excising beards, wich sounds like the option msot people would want, so they could mix and match for their non movie mocs etc...

Are you sure he will wear a mohawk?

Thats what actor has said. But we know his armys helmets all sports mowhak-shaped tops, so It would make sense that Dain ties into that aswell!

[BrickBob Studpants]

Yeah, we need at least two differently colored/shaped Iron Hill dwarf beards, otherwise they'd look like clones, even if you swap their faces

@deskp: Yeah, the armor thing is quite tricky The shoulder parts might be ignored, but the armor has to be represented somehow and a simple torso print probably won't cut it... Same goes for Bolg, his shoulder pads however cannot be ignored I can't wait to see how the designers worked around those problem areas

Edited January 25, 2014 by Lego-Freak

[deskp]

@deskp: Yeah, the armor thing is quite tricky The shoulder parts might be ignored, but the armor has to be represented somehow and a simple torso print probably won't cut it... Same goes for Bolg, his shoulder pads however cannot be ignored I can't wait to see how the designers worked around those problem areas

Um, the torso of the armor is not spectacular or standoutish, it barely looks present, it's the helmet and shoulders that are prominent.

The torso being printed is would be quite enough with a nice beard on it.

For Bolg I think the "solution" is obvious, or it should be, he's jsut another azog/wookie type mold situation.

[BrickBob Studpants]

@deskp: You're right, I haven't examined the pictures closely enough (btw thanks for the comparison shots in your flickr galleries, those are really well put together) The Iron Hill dwarves just need to be bulkier than the other ones and the shoulder pads you're suggesting might achieve just that And yeah, Bolg really requires a brand-new head/shoulder piece. I was thinking about some kind of add-on to Azog's piece, but there's no way they realistically could achieve that, so there pretty much has to be a new mold I just hope Bolg's not tan, after all he's not nearly as pale as his father

Edited January 25, 2014 by Lego-Freak

[azog15]

I imagine Bolg's chest armor will be printed and he'll have shoulder armor pieces similar to the Gundabad orcs.

[Artanis I]

Megablok me, why do I read this thread? So many plot spoilers in so few pages. Thanks for ruining all the surprises for the movie that doesn't come out until the end of the year...

None of the sets have fate spoilers in them, why must the discussion?

[azog15]

The book has been out since 1937...

[Artanis I]

The book has been out since 1937...

Doesn't matter

[azog15]

Well a thread like this is bound to have spoilers. You should know that.

[BlueberryWaffles]

Like that Martin Freeman interview:

MF: Well, I really think Bilbo has the last laugh over Smaug.

He lives longer.

Interviewer: That's a spoiler!

MF: Yeah......but the book's 70 years old, come on.

[Ardelon]

What is windlance? In which language is that word? :D

I see, I apologise.I did not understand. It appears to be a made up term in the movie. A lance is in the English vocabulary as is wind. I guess they put them both together and said that sounds like a cool name for a plot device.

I assumed they were saying "windlass" - to quote from wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windlass):

The windlass is an apparatus for moving heavy weights. (...) By the Late Middle Ages most European crossbows employed a windlass as a cocking mechanism, which helped to pull heavier crossbows, but were used in England as early as 1215.

Now the apparatus from the film doesnt literally fit the definition, but after all, it is a heave crossbow, which would need a cocking mechanism to draw the "bowstring" to fire the heavy balck arrow, so I think its close enough...

What do you guys think about a Beard/armor piece for the Iron Hill dwarves?

Wanna hear your toughts on it

Also what do you guys think Dain II will look like? Hmm?

I see four possibilities for Iron Hills Dwarves:

1) printed torso, molded beard piece

2) a molded beard+armor piece

3) beard printed on head, molded armor piece

4) printed beard, printed torso,

I wouldnt bet on shoulder pieces, I think the Dwarves would look weird with shoulder pads but no armor piece. Im more interested in whether they will have a new helmet mold or reuse Gimlis or he fantasy helmet.

Oh, and another possibility is a helmet+beard mold, like Radagasts hat+beard

Megablok me, why do I read this thread? So many plot spoilers in so few pages. Thanks for ruining all the surprises for the movie that doesn't come out until the end of the year...

None of the sets have fate spoilers in them, why must the discussion?

Look at it this way... These are book spoliers, not movie spoilers, none of us know what the movies will bring. But if you consider "Smaug dies over Laketown" or "Dain arrives with an Iron Hills army" as spoilers, then you really should stay away from any Hobbit thread, as these these bits of info are so basic they will not be treated as spoilers in any case. (P.S. *spoiler alert* Gandalf survives the quest.) (originally posted Bilbo, but Tolkien above beat me to that particular spoiler...)

Edited January 26, 2014 by Ardelon

[Mahtion]

Actually I am almost certain that the windlance is how it was pronounced in the film.

So with 4 sets we know the small one has Galadriel, Elrond and Witchking with some Dol Guldur rocks or debris.

I wish Elrond had a helmet for this scene so we could finally get an elvish helmet mold in some capacity. Will lego give him a long sword similar to what happened to Thranduil or one of those golden elf swords? I agree Galadriel should be in her iconic dress but knowing PJ she will have something more mail like, maybe a shimmering gown with embedded crystals or something. Elrond will likely be wearing his armor UNLESS people confused him for an elven soldier that accompanies them, but that seems unlikely. Witchking will be cool as the grey-white wraith, even glow in the dark it could be a new design entirely. It could still be Sauron who says he cannot have glow in the dark printing?

I think Erebor will be the biggest set based on all of the play features and areas, it would be hard to recreate the forge, throne room and treasure hall with a smaller sized set. I agree with others who said it would be a 3 movie Erebor covering all of the scenes. Maybe it would even include a King Thror, hard to say. Remember Goblin king battle was a large set and was designed based on the interior with expanding pieces and suspension bridges. I think this set will have the throne room as the centerpiece with one side having the forgery with pulleys and platforms and the other side will be the treasure room. I think it will be like kingdoms or classic castle interiors outstretched without the outside similar to mines of moria or dol guldur. It will include a lot of dwarves lol. Definitely Thorin, Kili and Fili. Depending on how the movie goes maybe Azog or Bolg fight here along with Dain, it would be cinematic to have a fight in front of the very symbol of durin's seat of power (throne room).

Laketown if it includes Smaug will definitely be second to largest set (again). I hope if Smaug isn't included it would be the second smallest set but that seems less likely. A tower with the Windlance will be featured most likely with maybe a town hall. Again hard to say without more details.

BoFA seems less impressive to casuals because they just see unnamed characters and most likely not much in terms of set design like MEA. I hope the armored dwarves will all be covered in Erebor leaving this set for some armored Elves and orcs and some Laketown men. I just wonder if some of these sets will be too similar to Hobbit Wave 2 like the Laketown and army builder.

My concerns are what will happen to important characters like an armored Thranduil, Dain, Bilbo, Bard, and Gandalf? We all want new soldiers from the races but will lego really eliminate those dreaded Gandalfs or resist adding a rehash Legolas or Tauriel?

[Sarah]

Who wants gold Smaug really ?

Me!

[Deathleech]

BoFA seems less impressive to casuals because they just see unnamed characters and most likely not much in terms of set design like MEA. I hope the armored dwarves will all be covered in Erebor leaving this set for some armored Elves and orcs and some Laketown men. I just wonder if some of these sets will be too similar to Hobbit Wave 2 like the Laketown and army builder.

I really, REALLY hope Lego doesn't do that. We already got the Mirkwood Elf Army set which had three elf scouts in it plus Thranduil this year, and last year we got the Mirkwood Elf Guard polybag and some elves in the Barrel Escape set. I have almost as many elf soldiers as I do Rohan Soldiers and I bought half as many MEA as I did UHA. I only bought 10 elf polybags last year but BrickLinked 20 extra Rohan Soldiers AND have all my Eomer's being used as Rohan Soldiers. I'm all elfed out.

In contrast how many sets have we gotten dwarf soldiers in? How many sets could they possibly appear in not including the TABA wave? The answer is zero. The only dwarves we have gotten so far are unique ones in Thorin's company and Gimli. The dwarf armies aren't featured much in PJs version of the films so this is our only real shot at getting a dwarf soldier to army builder with. If Lego puts one or two in the Erebor set there will be no feasible way to amass a dwarven army since they will easily be $8+ a shot on BL or eBay.

I would rather see Lego make the Bo5A as an army builder that includes a dwarf soldier, an elf soldier, a Lake-town Militia, and 2 armored Gundabad Orcs. Make the unique character Dain, but make him look common enough that he could easily serve as a second dwarf soldier like Eomer can a Rohan soldier. Ideally Lego would of left an extra spot open in the Bo5A army builder by giving us an armored elf in Mirkwood Elf Army, but that didn't happen. They could of also just given us two elf scouts in MEA and three orcs leaving the Bo5A set needing less orcs. I know people love them some elves, but do we really need two army builders back to back with them in each?

Edited January 26, 2014 by Deathleech

[Mahtion]

That was my point, two sets are already in danger of being too similar to the sets in Wave 2. I want armored elves but I am wondering how lego will distribute minfigs. There are only so many slots in each set available and I think BoFA set if it is the $30 slot will have 6 figs max. So it is possible that we will get one of each representative of the armies but I am almost certain that at least 1 minifig will be a hero fig. I would be very happy with a set that had 1 armored elf spearman, 1 armored dwarf with hammer/sword, 2 orcs, 1 laketown soldier but who will be the hero?

We dont need Bard since he will be in Laketown set, we definitely dont want any more Gandalfs, maybe Dain could be in this set? I would hope an armored Bilbo or Thorin will be in Erebor.

Here is my greatest fear: Gandalf, Bilbo in armor, Thorin in armor, Bolg, and 1 orc.......Battle of Five Armies lol

Edited January 26, 2014 by Mahtion

[Deathleech]

I would guess Dain is the most likely candidate to fill the unique character slot in the army builder. He leads the Iron Hill dwarves and can probably double in a dwarf army as a common soldier pretty easy. That would basically give us two dwarf soldiers in the army builder which would really help get their numbers up. We already have elf scouts and Lake-town Guards from the previous wave to help fill the human and elf ranks so one of each of them in the army builder should be plenty.

If Lego gave us any main characters (Bilbo, Gandalf, Thorin, Bolg) I think it would seriously hurt the army builder/multiple purchase potential of the set. Bolg might work, but definitely not the other three. They will probably be included in the Erebor set anyways, at least Bilbo and Thorin. I am hoping we get another wave like the second where we only get two main characters between all four sets so Lego can focus on the secondary characters and the soldiers.

[deskp]

Megablok me, why do I read this thread? So many plot spoilers in so few pages. Thanks for ruining all the surprises for the movie that doesn't come out until the end of the year...

None of the sets have fate spoilers in them, why must the discussion?

Well mportant parts in the story might influence lego choises of wich minifigures they put in. Kids will want to recreate the featured scenes and showdowns.

A discussion about the 2014 sets, wich are based on TABA, will include talk about TABA plot points, tip toeing around spoilers can make the conversation abit weird and flow less.

I'm not sure if you followed it, but in the lotr/hobbit 2013 thread, it was stated that there would be spoilers.

I'm sorry youre getting spoiled for the movie I know that sucks when you don't want to be.

___________ btw, spoilers below:_____

For the army builder Im on the Bolg-train, The "hero" character being a bad guy hasn't happened before so it could be soemthing new and cool, his design is somewhat colorfull.

And its extremely natural that they would put Dain in the set that includes the Throne of Erebor, i mean come on guys? x] You don't make a lego castle without including a King Minifigure do you?

Edited January 26, 2014 by deskp

[kevkipo]

4) printed beard, printed torso,

The others are good! but this D:

Oh my Brick, No!

[Gibbon]

I am to join the Bolg train :-)

It is a bit problematic to imagine the new upcoming set called 'Battle of the Five Armies' on the very same line of the army builder sets (Uruk Hai Army and Mirkwood Elf Army) we already have as these sets included only 2 factions fighting against each other (4 Uruk Hai orcs against a Rohan archer and Eomer and 2 orcs versus 4 elves), always 2 against 4. If the Battle of the Five Armies set is to be something similar then Lego has to change the logic. Practically I can only imagine this title with a bigger set, but anyway we will see.

[BrickBob Studpants]

FBTB staff member bigospedros has added a few Hobbit set details to his coverage in the fbtb forums: (http://www.fbtb.net/...0eb69f&start=20)

So, I have no real interest in LOTR or the Hobbit. I did have the sets presented to me, but it really didn't go into my brain, because it was like they were talking a foreign language at me (you know, when you try to explain Star Wars to a non SW fan!).

Again, there is a lot of background noise on my recording and the presenters voice is very quiet, so here's what I can glean from it.

There was a minifig that would glow in the dark (the Witch King?) in the £11.99 set, that also came with two other figs (that I have no notes on).

There was a Lake Town Bell Tower set (name subject to change) which included Bain (£34.99 i think)

A £59.99 Battle Of The Five Armies set, comes with a few figs, one of them perhaps (I had to google what I thought she said and this is what it came up with) Dain Ironfoot (??)

The £99.99 set was called The Lonely Mountain, which comes with some kind of dragon thing (Smaug?) but it was not at the fair - it was instead represented by a red dragon from the Castle line. It comes with Bilbo and a few others.

Most of the audio is her demonstrating play features of the sets, not the figures ...

So there ya go, I hope that's helpful. I've certainly learnt a few lessons for next year.

So the Laketown set is definitely 79016 This obviously means we'll get more Bo5A-related minifigs in 79017 Since it's bigger than the usual armybuilding-type set, we might have two named characters in it (Dain II seems to be confirmed and Bolg might be included too, so I'll get on board the Bolg-train with fellow passengers deskp and Gibbon )

Edited January 26, 2014 by Lego-Freak

[Alcarin]

The sets sound worse and worse with more and more details I read lol

[deskp]

So with an exception of the witch king set, every other set is bigger than the dos sets. Thats good! Should mean mroe minifigures no?

[Blazej_Holen]

The sets sound worse and worse with more and more details I read lol

How so?