Piratedave84 Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 What is happening here ... This is day 1 and we have 2 public claims of PR. If both are true, it means we will undoubtedly lose a PR tomorrow. Kingsley, could you have not claimed to someone else whom you trusted slightly? Why expose yourself like that for the scum to come and pick you out? Think about it, if the protector has to choose between you and the cop, whom do you think they will pick? You may have spared yourself from a lynch but painted a huge target on your back. Bad move.
Tamamono Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Kingsley, could you have not claimed to someone else whom you trusted slightly? Why expose yourself like that for the scum to come and pick you out? Think about it, if the protector has to choose between you and the cop, whom do you think they will pick? You may have spared yourself from a lynch but painted a huge target on your back. Bad move. This was optimal play. If you're being lynched, you claim. It's not as if blocker's terribly important anyway.
KotZ Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Would you rather it have been a role that nobody heard of? I read a book once of something similar with a character who reminds me of myself who claimed this role called a "gladiator". Do you have a role to claim, friend? I claimed mine, why not you claim yours?
Peanuts Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Figured we'd see a blocker claim. Scarecrow's actually fairly ambiguous. I could see it as Council. I'm leaning toward you being the scum blocker, honestly, but proper precautions must be taken regardless. There's 6 votes on you now, it takes 10 for a majority, so we can still save you if need be. What does everyone think? Is blocker worth a no lynch? I'm thinking about it. He told me in private he had a role (I didn't really want to know what), and I was considering unvoting him. But if it's the blocker, I'm less sure. Would be a shame to lose a power role early on... I won't be around when the day ends, so this is kind of important. I have half a mind to change my vote to Caitie, but I'm far from convinced she's scum and I don't think a bandwagon on her will form either way. I also have half a mind to keep my vote on Kingsley. And come to think of it, the scarecrow might as well be a council member. Scarecrow is also a good identity to make up, since it's a non-human, but not a monster per se, so less likely to be already taken by a real monster. Call it what you want. I didn't ignore information. I'm just not a database of posts. I just threw out some thoughts I'd had while going through the day. I didn't know that was a problem. And you want me to comment on the faith healers? I don't see much to comment on, really. Two people have claimed faith healers. I don't see any reason to question that at this point. Nor do I see any reason to out their identities. Seems like Helen is on top of them.That's all for now. The fact remains that Mencatta was saying she was a witch in response to Sally talking about identity cards. I'll admit she can be difficult to follow and one can overlook that at first, but you persisted after I pointed it out and accused me of defending her. I still think your initial post might have been meant to be a distraction, or scum trying to just post something. Would you rather it have been a role that nobody heard of? I read a book once of something similar with a character who reminds me of myself who claimed this role called a "gladiator". Do you have a role to claim, friend? I claimed mine, why not you claim yours? What? Didn't the gladiator use their role? And didn't that end less than optimal? How is this the same case? And why do you want him to claim something?
KotZ Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 That did end less than optimal. I'm saying he should claim because he was goading very much. My logic only makes sense to me I guess.
Piratedave84 Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 This was optimal play. If you're being lynched, you claim. It's not as if blocker's terribly important anyway. I guess but it really rubs me the wrong way that we now have 2 possible PR in the open. Like I said, what's going to happen tonight? If both are saying the truth, one of them is bound to die, no? Would you rather it have been a role that nobody heard of? I read a book once of something similar with a character who reminds me of myself who claimed this role called a "gladiator". Do you have a role to claim, friend? I claimed mine, why not you claim yours? I actually laughed out loud when I read this. The way I interpret your post is you saying "come at me bro'!!!". You expect me, or anyone else for that matter, to claim roles publicly for no valid reason when we already have two claims in the open; I don't think so. On a side note, I did claim my alter ego earlier, read the thread.
KotZ Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 I didn't expect anyone else to. And for the sake of the town, I really hope nobody else claims what roles they have. I claimed because I was worried; my analysis was wrong. There's no denying that I messed up. Why not claim in private? Whether one lies or not in private to me is irrelevant, because at least they took up the challenge. As scummy as that sounds, I don't think scum would openly announce that.
Piratedave84 Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 I didn't expect anyone else to. And for the sake of the town, I really hope nobody else claims what roles they have. I claimed because I was worried; my analysis was wrong. There's no denying that I messed up. Why not claim in private? Whether one lies or not in private to me is irrelevant, because at least they took up the challenge. As scummy as that sounds, I don't think scum would openly announce that. I don't follow you. You ask for claims but don't expect results and willingly say scummy things on order not to be scummy. I'm confused.
Hinckley Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Well this is certainly bad news for me. I could claim my role, but I'm worried what will happen if I do, especially if somebody (scum or town) counterclaims me yet everyone believes that person. That's the only risk you have left if you're going to be lynched. If you're Town, you would take that risk. This is the weirdest "defense" I've seen in a while. "I can claim my role, but the Scum will probably counterclaim it and that person will be believed over me." Bull. Is there any reason to not reveal the "non-monsters" of the Faith Healers?
Piratedave84 Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Because every time he says something it gets more confusing: Vote: Kingsley of the Starfish (KingoftheZempk)
Tamamono Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Is there any reason to not reveal the "non-monsters" of the Faith Healers? Scum might slip and fakeclaim one of them, especially if they're ambiguous.
Hinckley Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Scum might slip and fakeclaim one of them, especially if they're ambiguous. My point is that Scarecrow is 10 times more monstery than what the Faith Healers have claimed. But, I'm not sure monsteriness is even worth focusing on. It just gives us all something to discuss and react to.
Tamamono Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Wait, nevermind; had a lapse in clear thinking. Scum's alter egos are probably pretty ambiguous (like scarecrow) so they'll likely claim whatever their true alter ego is. You can release them if you want to (with the permission of the faith healers of course).
Kristel Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Well this is certainly bad news for me. I could claim my role, but I'm worried what will happen if I do, especially if somebody (scum or town) counterclaims me yet everyone believes that person. What the? Claiming would be a great idea: figure and role both so scum can't copy you if you're town. I think what you really meant to say is "So that you and your sum buddies know exactly who to target"? Fine. I didn't want to do this (I hate claiming, everybody knows I'm a criminal mastermind). Scarecrow. I stop people from doing bad things at night. If this doesn't save my suckers on my five arms, I hope you stop the Council Too late. ... He told me in private he had a role (I didn't really want to know what), and I was considering unvoting him. Did you also get the "I hate approaching people on the first day ..." spiel? This is kind of like the "I hate claiming, but ..." spiel. Argh! Kingsley is being so scummy at the moment, but the starfish being scum would suggest that Timothy and Caitie aren't scum (or they're bussing, which I don't believe either). Is there any reason to not reveal the "non-monsters" of the Faith Healers? I still prefer everyone gives someone their identify via PM, once we've got someone that we're all comfortable is town. If your two faith healers are Monsters, revealing what non-monster identities they have publicly only helps scum at this stage. Short answer: don't reveal.
Hinckley Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 I still prefer everyone gives someone their identify via PM, once we've got someone that we're all comfortable is town. If your two faith healers are Monsters, revealing what non-monster identities they have publicly only helps scum at this stage. Short answer: don't reveal. So, if I tell everyone what CMF the Faith Healers are...that helps the Scum? Something is bugging me about you this time. And a certain Scum team won in Ragnarok 2, sowing doubt by accusing each other throughout the whole thing.
CMP Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Unvote: Derek Polanes (DarthPotato). Regardless of how I feel about his behavior...it's just too big a risk to try and lynch a claimed investigator. And it seems nobody else has come forward to counter his claim. And I'll Vote: Kingsley of the Starfish (KingoftheZempk). One, because blocker is a scummy claim. Two, I'd like to try and get a lynch today. We need somewhere to start tomorrow. Three... And come to think of it, the scarecrow might as well be a council member. Scarecrow is also a good identity to make up, since it's a non-human, but not a monster per se, so less likely to be already taken by a real monster. ...Especially because I fail to see what scarecrows have to do with blocking, moreso when considering it could've been a far more obviously monstrous alter ego. And the typical lame excuses for following the bandwagon don't help either.
Hinckley Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Unvote: Derek Polanes (DarthPotato). Regardless of how I feel about his behavior...it's just too big a risk to try and lynch a claimed investigator. And it seems nobody else has come forward to counter his claim. And I'll Vote: Kingsley of the Starfish (KingoftheZempk). One, because blocker is a scummy claim. Two, I'd like to try and get a lynch today. We need somewhere to start tomorrow. Three... Blocker is a Scummy claim? Don't Town have a blocker...99% of the time? ...Especially because I fail to see what scarecrows have to do with blocking, moreso when considering it could've been a far more obviously monstrous alter ego. And the typical lame excuses for following the bandwagon don't help either. Good point, but neither of the Faith Healers necessarily make sense with Faith Healers. They're not the Monster Angel and the Monster Preacher. Well, there's not a CMF angel...but there's that...bible salesman...and the preacher's wife. Right?
CMP Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Blocker is a Scummy claim? Don't Town have a blocker...99% of the time? Don't the scum do as well? Maybe scummy's too extreme a word. It's just not as obviously townie as investigator is, or as weird (and by extension probably as townie) as this faith healer duo. It's more easily faked, especially if he himself is the scum blocker.
Tamamono Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Don't the scum do as well? Maybe scummy's too extreme a word. It's just not as obviously townie as investigator is, or as weird (and by extension probably as townie) as this faith healer duo. It's more easily faked, especially if he himself is the scum blocker. What are you saying?? Logically speaking, there's an equal chance of him being the town or scum blocker (if we have a town blocker). What makes blocker a scummy claim, per se? I think he's a good lynch because of how he claimed, not what he claimed. The fact that he was so convinced that he'd be counterclaimed when it's common knowledge that it'd be an awful scum move to come out and counterclaim him, since if starfish flipped town, whoever counterclaimed him would be immediately lynched the next day. He's scared of the town blocker, not the scum blocker.
CMP Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 What are you saying?? Logically speaking, there's an equal chance of him being the town or scum blocker (if we have a town blocker). What makes blocker a scummy claim, per se? Like I just said, it's simply scummier than the roles we already know of. Logically, yes, he could be either the town or scum blocker, which makes it likelier for him to be scum than, say, an investigator...maybe 'more convenient' is a better word for it. And again, seeing as how the scum probably have a blocker, he'd have a much easier time of things if he survived the lynch today. If Derek is scum, he's backed himself a corner having claimed investigator. If Kingsley is scum, that wouldn't be a problem since he likely has a block at his disposal.
Kristel Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 So, if I tell everyone what CMF the Faith Healers are...that helps the Scum? It does, to the extent that scum then know what not to claim.
DarthPotato Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 I don't want to be so quick to jump on Kingsley because of the Scarecrow figure, despite his claim still being weird. I think we can deduce that the alter egos this game, while having some correlation to affiliations/roles, aren't directly tied to each other. With that aside, I can see the block claim being a little too convenient. Not to mention he said he thought I was a council member and then about two hours later made another post saying he changed is mind. I really don't see how he can change his mind so quickly, especially because there were only a couple posts in that time window. Vote: Kingsley of the Starfish (KingoftheZempk) Speaking of weird decisions and votes, I noticed that Melinda didn't vote for me when she first spoke out against me and said she thought I was scummy. Why? If you thought the claim was false at the time then I don't see why you didn't actually vote. It makes me think you could have known the claim was true and didn't want to be responsible for the lynch.
Hinckley Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 It does, to the extent that scum then know what not to claim. With as many CMFs as there are, I highly doubt we would have a double claim. I think it would help the Town more than the Scum. The Scum know enough. The more we know, the better. Random thought, probably the wine again, I don't like when people try to convince me to lynch someone in private and don't bring up the same reasoning in public. That bugs me. It "sticks in my craw." Is that a term? La la la. Wine is yummy, darlings. I'm going to unscrew another box.
Hinckley Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Why are Timothy, Kelly and Peter just hovering around staring at us??
Kristel Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 With as many CMFs as there are, I highly doubt we would have a double claim. I think it would help the Town more than the Scum. The Scum know enough. The more we know, the better. It feels like you're waiting for someone to give you permission. If you think it's best to reveal then do so. Random thought, probably the wine again, I don't like when people try to convince me to lynch someone in private and don't bring up the same reasoning in public. That bugs me. It "sticks in my craw." Is that a term? La la la. Wine is yummy, darlings. I'm going to unscrew another box. Who is trying to get you to lynch whom? megabluck you for taking too long to write a post That would be me taking too long to write a post Just for the record, I just sent Helen an apology for that little outburst.
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