CMF Mafia 2 - Day One - On the Case

[Cecilie]

I see no reason not to Vote: Derek Polanes (Darth Potato) at this point.

[Kristel]

The only thing that bugs me about this is that it is too easy.

Vote: Derek Polanes (DarthPotato)

It's rude to make looks, dear. Perhaps you should say what you're thinking.

I just thought it odd that you jumped on Sally, when it was Mikatta that brought up the alter egos. I thought at the time that Sally was just role playing.

I was under the impression that we weren't supposed to share our identities.

I think we can share this info. The way I read Rule 6 is that we can't quote (or pretend to quote) our role PMs when doing so.

[Hinckley]

I just thought it odd that you jumped on Sally, when it was Mikatta that brought up the alter egos. I thought at the time that Sally was just role playing.

You being suspicious of me in every game is getting boring, love.

[Captain Nemo]

Um, yeah. Re-reading the days thread after a night sleep did flesh out the more scummy behavior from Derek Potatos. Looking over what he said, I think this statment stood out most to me as scummy, or strange/un-town-like the most, since it implys that he's not town and either scum or third party:

He said that there were only so many monsters to choose from, which to me meant he was saying that there isn't much room for scum to lie about their alter egos since there's so few monster figures. But he's wrong that the town's alter ego figures are monsters.

I think any actual townie would know that last statment is very wrong. Like always in witch hunts, we don't usually have much to go on day one, but this seems more solid than it could have been. Let's see if this lynches a nice human as opposed to an evil monster. Then we can feast!

Vote: Derek Polanes (Darth Potato)

[Bob]

Vote: Derek Polanes / Darth Potato

Can you say a massive misstep in communications? Silly human.

[Peanuts]

Um, yeah. Re-reading the days thread after a night sleep did flesh out the more scummy behavior from Derek Potatos. Looking over what he said, I think this statment stood out most to me as scummy, or strange/un-town-like the most, since it implys that he's not town and either scum or third party:

I think any actual townie would know that last statment is very wrong. Like always in witch hunts, we don't usually have much to go on day one, but this seems more solid than it could have been. Let's see if this lynches a nice human as opposed to an evil monster. Then we can feast!

Vote: Derek Polanes (Darth Potato)

Well, thanks for repeating the case against Derek.

So far nobody else seems to have a non-monster as alter ego, so this vote is going to be easy.

Vote: Derek Polanes (Darth Potato)

'Alter egos'? Now where did that come from all of a sudden...

I have absolutely no idea what this is supposed to mean.

[KotZ]

Vote: Derek Polanes (DarthPotato). As it was said earlier, this seems almost too easy. Whenever I've done heists, I plan for everything, even the smallest detail. But I have never planned for somebody opening up like that so seemingly easy. If this is a trap by the Council, it's a damn good one, but they're not going to stop me from taking over the world.

[TrumpetKing]

I'm on mobile and the typing is crazy, so here's a basic vote tally

Derek Polanes (DarthPotato) - 8 (Hinckley, Scubacarrot, CallMePie, Cecilie, Kristel, Peanuts, Bob, KingOfTheZempk)

[MagPiesRUs]

*Honk honk!* Ladies and gentlemen! For my my next act, I shall keep 10 plates spinning whilst I vote!

*spins 10 plates*

Vote: Derek Polanes (DarthPotato)

Tada! *bows to rapturous applause*

Since no one else has come forward with a non-monster role, there seems to be no doubt Derek is either a Council member or a neutral. Out of curiosity Derek, what is your alter-ego?

[Piratedave84]

Sorry for being late to the party, I stumbled on a American tourist group and ate them all ... Been in a food coma since.

Looks like the lynch choice is easy Vote: Derek Polanes (DarthPotato).

Jeffrey's 'defense' (used very broadly here) of Derek is also highly suspicious; there is no reason for someone to step in and suggest and alternative to a pretty straight forward lynch on day one unless said person's affiliation is know and the only way for that to happen at this point is that both person are scum.

[jimmynick]

Jeffrey, dear, please explain why would you want to lynch Sally for suggesting we reveal our alter egos over Derek who seems to have revealed a Scum alter ego? If it's Scummy to ask for them to be revealed, what information would we be trying to protect if not the information that Derek has just let slip, hmmmmm?

Not that she suggested we reveal alter egos, but that she backtracked so swiftly. I think Sally either:

-Doesn't want to reveal having a non-monster alter ego;

-Doesn't want to accidentally claim the same monster as someone else.

Case 2 comes out of Case 1, and in both cases she's scum or a neutral.

Jeffrey's 'defense' (used very broadly here) of Derek is also highly suspicious; there is no reason for someone to step in and suggest and alternative to a pretty straight forward lynch on day one

People had been pointing fingers at Sally earlier in the day; I want to keep her in mind. She is by no means a better lynch than Derek. Scummy claim - best lynch:

Vote: Derek Polanes (DarthPotato)

[LegoDad]

We definitely need to test our monster vs non-monster identities and since it appears we have an outlier already, nothing to do but go after it.

Vote: Derek Polanes (darth potato)[\b]

Not having much luck voting since I'm stuck on my phone out of town.

[Bob]

I personally don't think we should share our alter-egos at the moment. What others have said about catching people who might make a mistake and claim the same monster as someone else is important, however this leads to several possibilities:

1) Person A is a Council Member and Person B is a Monster. Person B's monster is, for the sake of argument, a zombie, and Person A's figure is the Policeman. (Note, I like using the policeman as the go-to council figure because that's the most towniest of town figure I can think of right now) Person A claims that he's actually the Zombie. Person B knows this is a lie, because he's the zombie! So Person B comes out and claims that he's the zombie. In this situation the following can happen: (yes a breakdown in a breakdown)

[Bob]

Sorry, I hit reply too soon. Ignore my previous post, I'll just copy everything together so it's in one coherent post.

I personally don't think we should share our alter-egos at the moment. What others have said about catching people who might make a mistake and claim the same monster as someone else is important, however this leads to several possibilities:

1) Person A is a Council Member and Person B is a Monster. Person B's monster is, for the sake of argument, a zombie, and Person A's figure is the Policeman. (Note, I like using the policeman as the go-to council figure because that's the most towniest of town figure I can think of right now) Person A claims that he's actually the Zombie. Person B knows this is a lie, because he's the zombie! So Person B comes out and claims that he's the zombie. In this situation the following can happen: (yes a breakdown in a breakdown)

Anyway, the following could happen:

- Person A is believed and Person B, the Monster, is lynched. The next day, Person A is lynched for lying.

- Person B is believed and Person A, the Council Member, is lynched. We scored a victory.

Either way, it comes down to a game of "Who's Scummier?"

2) We all reveal our roles, but the scum, knowing that they wouldn't want to mess up, decide to wait until all the other monster roles have been said so they don't pick the same monster role as a real monster. Someone earlier said that there were 20 non-human CMF's. There's 19 of us. For the sake of argument, let's say there are five scum. That means there's 6 potential non-human roles just waiting to be used by the council members. Which brings up another possibility:

3) The Council Members have been given monster figures as well in addition to their council figures. I think this is a bit far-fetched and also I don't see this as viable since Derek flat out said he had a non-monster figure, however it is an option to hold on to.

I don't want to be the guy that tries to help out the guy on the bandwagon, especially since I just voted for him, but now thinking about it, I'm starting to have some doubts about Derek's potential councilness. I'm going to go all metagame here and talk about clothing and whatnot, but what if we're not just talking about plain monsters. What if we're also talking about general "bad guys". For instance, what if one of us is the pirate for example. People generally view pirates as "bad guys", but they're not monsters in the sense that they have fangs or horns.

I'm looking back at the the first game, and I can see that the monsters were as follows:

- Cyclops

- Medusa

- Evil Knight

- Gangster

Am I missing any? If you can see, two of the four figures were not "monsters", they were simply "evil figures". Could Derek simply be a "non-monster" figure in the sense that he's not a figure that's generally classified as a monster. Here are all the potentially "bad" figures. For some reason I remember someone compiling a list of all the monsters, but I don't remember when or if that actually happened. The ones that I'm unsure about I'll put in italics and add a note next to it.

1) Zombie

2) Spartan Warrior (It's a bit gray here. He does have a mean face, though.)

3) Witch -- Claimed by Mencot?

4) Vampire

5) Space Villain

6) Mummy

7) Space Alien

8) Viking (Once again, it's gray here)

9) The Monster

10) Werewolf

11) Crazy Scientist (I'm mostly sure about this one, but I don't want to take any chances. The guy has crazy in his name)

12) Evil Dwarf

13) Gangster

14) Classic Alien

15) Bandit

16) Minotaur

17) Evil Knight

18) Evil Robot

19) Conquistador (Depending on your view in history, this guy is evil. Plus, Jeffery is classified as a "Corrupt Conquistador")

20) Vampire Bat

21) Pirate Captain

22) Alien Villainess

23) Cyclops

24) Alien Avenger

25) Mr. Good and Evil (He looks evil enough, but apparently has good in him too, so he's undecided)

26) Medusa

27) Barbarian

28) Evil Mech

29) Yeti (Widely regarded as a monster, but he's holding an ice pop. Maybe a good Yeti?)

That leaves 23 confirmed "evil characters", and I'm only doing Series 1 - 11, not the movie stuff. By the way, I'm going through and determining who is "evil" by comparing them to the Council Members from the last game, which included characters like the "Heroic Knight" and the "Cheerleader". Like I said, I don't really want to break down the bandwagon here, I'm just pointing out something I noticed and it's making me less and less convinced about lynching Derek.

Since there are no rules against this, Derek please tell us what your figure is.

[Scubacarrot]

So basically what you are saying Bleeb is, that Derek could have a regular evil character which is technically not a monster. I believe if this were the case he would have told us this by now. He too had plenty of oppertunity and reason to look back and see that there were a gangster and an evil knight among the Monsters of this previous situation, so that something that he had which classified as evil but no monster, would still fit the description.

I don't think it flies. If Derek comes out and says something along the lines of: Oh yeah, I was the Gangster all along, I for one would be extremely sceptical.

And in the person A, person B situation, person A would be the person to be burned lynched, of course. I don't think we should share our alter ego's either, as someone had said, roles CAN apparantly sometimes be derived from the identities if this is the same as previous situation, and we don't want to give a roadmap to the scum, no matter how blurred it may be.

[Bob]

I don't think it flies. If Derek comes out and says something along the lines of: Oh yeah, I was the Gangster all along, I for one would be extremely sceptical.

I don't think I'd really believe it either at this point, which is why I didn't unvote him. Besides, Derek played in the original game, so you'd think he would have known already that not all the Monsters are actual "monsters". I was just saying that so in the future, whenever someone says their figure isn't a "monster" in the horns and fangs sense, we don't immediately assume they're council members.

I have a feeling that eventually we're all going to have to reveal our figures. I don't think we should do it immediately on Day One, but probably during later days.

[Hinckley]

Bleeb, darling, your speech is so much fluffier than usual. New fabric softener?

We all reveal our roles,

Good idea. Let's do it. I'm tired of talking in circles and Bleeb's theory makes less sense than a white zinfindel.

I don't think we should do it immediately on Day One, but probably during later days.

But why not, dearie? It would give us so much more to work off of in later days, like when people responded, who posted without revealing, that sort of thing. Isn't it best we do it now and try to catch the Scum with their pants down?

[Scubacarrot]

Keep up you drunk wench, apparantly in the previous game roles COULD be derived from identities. A detective was a cop or something. This seems much more difficult, but do you want to take a chance that an Evil Knight or an Evil Dwarf that have shields is not a protector?

Actually, do we want to take that chance? I don't know on second thought. I kind of do now.

[Bob]

Bleeb, darling, your speech is so much fluffier than usual. New fabric softener?

I don't wear any fabrics.

Good idea. Let's do it. I'm tired of talking in circles and Bleeb's theory makes less sense than a white zinfindel.

But why not, dearie? It would give us so much more to work off of in later days, like when people responded, who posted without revealing, that sort of thing. Isn't it best we do it now and try to catch the Scum with their pants down?

How come you haven't revealed your figure yet, then? Like Sally said, night actions could be determined from the figures in the previous game.

[MetroiD]

I find it disheartening that you are already metagaming. And that's before I've even had the chance to cut someone's hair! Which in itself is downright appalling.

Now, while I was pondering what yall were talking about, what with that alter-ego crazy stuff and all, you've become nice and organized and even pretty much managed to agree on someone to lynch ourselves tonight. Aint that sweet! While I'd luv nothing more than to jump the bandwagon especially since my current state is obviously close to one of cluelessness anyway, lemme just try and share my thoughts with yall...

Derek sounds scummy, that much is a notion I can share. To me, the reason for that though are in no way his ramblings about egos and alters and stuff, but much more the way in which he kept referring to 'monsters' as 'them' in the initial stages of his rant.

And who said the town's alter egos were monsters?

I know town are monsters, but that doesn't mean their alter egos are monsters.

…and then he started contradicting himself. Not really though. But actually yes, really.

But he's wrong that the town's alter ego figures are monsters.

Subconsciously or not, you drew a line there, Derek honey, and then stepped over it a couple of times, but I really don’t like the side you actually seem to be standing on. So what, are you above doing a bit of monstering every now and then!?

So yeah, I’d probably be voting right now, even there hadn’t been someone else’s action that caught my eye earlier. Seems I wasn’t the only one either…

Careful Sally, your dick is showing.

…I was under the impression that we weren't supposed to share our identities.

While I’m not in any kind or form interested in seeing Sally’s dick, I’m not sure I buy her defense of “innocently roleplaying” while sharing ludicrous suggestions. I’d really be interested in hearing some more from Sally & Dick Derek before I cast my vote…

Oh hello, you. I almost forgot about you, love. So, this alter ego thing comes as a surprise to you?

After two pages hours of alter-ego-talk, not anymore. Ya could say I've caught up, but then again, ya can never be too sure. I'm just a hairdresser, remember, we use our heads for other purposes.

I've got a suggestion though, how about pouring me a glass of that nice wine of yours, hmmmm? It seems to give one quite the boost to deduction skills and all... I know I'm probably going to follow your lead tonight, but I also know I'd have a lot to doubt if it turns out to have led us in the wrong direction.

[Peanuts]

But why not, dearie? It would give us so much more to work off of in later days, like when people responded, who posted without revealing, that sort of thing. Isn't it best we do it now and try to catch the Scum with their pants down?

It would certainly give the scum trouble, but it also could leave our power roles vulnerable. I'd prefer to handle this the way we did it last time, telling our identities to somebody in private who'd look for oddities. The closest I have to a person I could trust would be Mencatta, for blurting out his identity earlier.

I'm not really fond of the idea of sharing our identities yet.

[Mencot]

"POFF"

Aaahww whaat a busy day for me and also whaaaw what a busy day here or at least interesting for a day one, one WHAHAHAhaawhhahahahaha..

Oh Derek, oh Derek did you really screw up after all, it was a joke when I replied to Sally that "lets see if someone screws up this time" you should known better because you knew about the last incident!

So this is the best lead of the day to go on and this happening on day one it is the best to go on.

So I will also Vote: Derek Polanes (DarthPotato)

And then

The only thing that bugs me about this is that it is too easy.

So true but then you continue with this replying to Helen:

I just thought it odd that you jumped on Sally, when it was Mikatta that brought up the alter egos. I thought at the time that Sally was just role playing.

First everything suspicious should be jumped on and questioned to some grade and without defending anyone this is what Helen did.

Second, I never brought up the Alter egos, this is actually the first comment I mention "alter egos" in. Maybe Sally was role playing to some grade but I think she had something else in mind first and she changed it when it wasn´t welcomed by followed commenters.

Third that you are jumping on Helen and also me and trying to steer away suspicion (maybe) from Derek, Sally or yourself, maybe I am longshooting her but if Derek turns up a council member(scum) I will be watching you carefuly tomorrow. So try laying that you nymph.

I don't think I'd really believe it either at this point, which is why I didn't unvote him. Besides, Derek played in the original game, so you'd think he would have known already that not all the Monsters are actual "monsters". I was just saying that so in the future, whenever someone says their figure isn't a "monster" in the horns and fangs sense, we don't immediately assume they're council members.

I have a feeling that eventually we're all going to have to reveal our figures. I don't think we should do it immediately on Day One, but probably during later days.

This is a place where it is actually easy to lie but if we gonna do it then it should be when we get to know each other more and know that we can trust eachother. But not never, here in the daythread because then the scum, could as someone already commented, could just wait it out and counterclaim or lie and choose form the remaining monsters on the list.

[Hinckley]

Keep up you drunk wench, apparantly in the previous game roles COULD be derived from identities. A detective was a cop or something. This seems much more difficult, but do you want to take a chance that an Evil Knight or an Evil Dwarf that have shields is not a protector?

Actually, do we want to take that chance? I don't know on second thought. I kind of do now.

I'm not a wench, love. In the previous game, roles could be derived from identities. So the cop was the detective. Am I following. So let's apply that here. The witch would clearly be...a protector? and the evil alien would clearly be ... the vig? ... the mummy is probably the blocker because he lives in a pyramid! :hmpf: :hmpf: You should think things through before saying them, my dear. Otherwise you might sound Scummy.

How come you haven't revealed your figure yet, then? Like Sally said, night actions could be determined from the figures in the previous game.

Because, Bleeb, I'm not going to brazenly start revealing until we've discussed the pros and cons. And what do you want me to do? You seem to say I should, but then say I shouldn't. That's weird, even for you, darling Bleeb.

I find it disheartening that you are already metagaming. And that's before I've even had the chance to cut someone's hair! Which in itself is downright appalling.

Who exactly is metagaming, darling? If someone claims they are not a monster, then they are a council member. That's gaming. Your persistence that the alter ego argument has no weight continues to make you look Scummy.

Now, while I was pondering what yall were talking about, what with that alter-ego crazy stuff and all, you've become nice and organized and even pretty much managed to agree on someone to lynch ourselves tonight. Aint that sweet! While I'd luv nothing more than to jump the bandwagon especially since my current state is obviously close to one of cluelessness anyway, lemme just try and share my thoughts with yall...

While I love the breezy cut of your jib, I find it hard to believe that you don't understand the concept of the game yet. Monster are monsters and the Council is normies.

Derek sounds scummy, that much is a notion I can share. To me, the reason for that though are in no way his ramblings about egos and alters and stuff, but much more the way in which he kept referring to 'monsters' as 'them' in the initial stages of his rant.

Claiming to not be a monster is much Scummier than semantics. Why are you trying so hard to justify not jumping on a bandwagon, yet saying Derek is our best candidate. You can't possibly sound more Scummy, so try some wine and see if that helps.

I've got a suggestion though, how about pouring me a glass of that nice wine of yours, hmmmm? It seems to give one quite the boost to deduction skills and all... I know I'm probably going to follow your lead tonight, but I also know I'd have a lot to doubt if it turns out to have led us in the wrong direction.

I think you've poured wine for both of us, my dear, and poisoned one and it's up to me to guess just one. Mwaaaaah!

I just thought it odd that you jumped on Sally, when it was Mikatta that brought up the alter egos. I thought at the time that Sally was just role playing.

I agree with Mikatta. Your behavior is bugging me. Maybe it's just a gut feeling, but if you have a suspicion you are not normally likely to boil it down to "" unless asked like I did today. And you are uncharacteristically quiet.

Second, I never brought up the Alter egos, this is actually the first comment I mention "alter egos" in.

Thank you. I remember thinking this when Kelly said it yesterday. Sally was the first to ask for "ids" even if it was inadvertent roleplaying.

Sally, are you still pondering asking everyone what their identities are as you mentioned in private. That reminds me:

I don't see a rule against quoting PMs so, here goes:

I've been thinking about asking people to reveal their minifigure, and I am starting to think it's a pretty good thing to be doing. If no one raised the idea yet, I will ask people to do it in the morning.

Keep up you drunk wench, apparantly in the previous game roles COULD be derived from identities. A detective was a cop or something. This seems much more difficult, but do you want to take a chance that an Evil Knight or an Evil Dwarf that have shields is not a protector?

Actually, do we want to take that chance? I don't know on second thought. I kind of do now.

Sally, darling, you're contradicting yourself. Can you answer me one teensy-weensy question: why are you so Scummy?

Derek, Melinda, Sally, Jeffrey, perhaps Bleeb or Kelly, why are you lining yourselves up for us so easily on Day One? Do you just want to give up now? There's plenty of wine to go around, have some. Let's see if we can't loosen your Scummy tongues a little further.

[Kristel]

Second, I never brought up the Alter egos, this is actually the first comment I mention "alter egos" in. Maybe Sally was role playing to some grade but I think she had something else in mind first and she changed it when it wasn´t welcomed by followed commenters.

Third that you are jumping on Helen and also me and trying to steer away suspicion (maybe) from Derek, Sally or yourself, maybe I am longshooting her but if Derek turns up a council member(scum) I will be watching you carefuly tomorrow. So try laying that you nymph.

You didn't specifically say "alter egos", but this comment below was the first post that made me think of alter egos. So, in my mind, you were the first to raise it.

Yea lets see if someone screws up this time

And I am not jumping on anyone - you're in fact the only I'd actually be willing to share my alter ego with, as Pamela suggested.

I've already explained why I mentioned Helen behaviour initially. I'm not the pursuing it because I realise that I read Sally's comment different to most people. At the time, I didn't think Sally was specifically referring to alter egos.

And you are uncharacteristically quiet.

Maybe I'm just sulking because you haven't PM'd me yet. Or the real reason, which is that this week has been hell in terms of the mermaid things that I need to do to pay the bills.

[Hinckley]

Maybe I'm just sulking because you haven't PM'd me yet. Or the real reason, which is that this week has been hell in terms of the mermaid things that I need to do to pay the bills.

I understand, love. Have a glass of wine, for real. You've earned it. A mermaid's life can be rough. Kick back, I've got some bon-bons to I and The Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants just came in from Netflix! Let's have a ladies night.

Oooh, pardon my weird grammar. I've been at the box of wine for too long it appears.