Hinckley Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 Someone claimed to me, in private, to have a monster non-monster role too. The claim is dubious and I hardly trust the source. What do you guys think of that? I have some thoughts, but I'm trying to weigh what might give too much away vs. what is complete and utter megablocks. If it is complete and utter megablocks, the Scum have made themselves very easy to catch. If the truth is being told...well...let's weigh that option. I'd like to hear opinions on claiming out alter egos. I have a lot of thoughts right now, but want to hear from everyone else. *claiming our alter egos*... Tickles? Lacey? Kingsley? Hello?! Mwaaaaah!
MagPiesRUs Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 *Somersaults back into the room* Unvote: Derek Polanes (DarthPotato) Besides, what would be the point of giving Derek all our roles if he's just going to be lynched? Or are you now saying that we shouldn't lynch him? Are you saying we should lynch someone who's claimed cop? Someone claimed to me, in private, to have a monster non-monster role too. What? Why would anyone claim anything to you this early on? You've done nothing so far that suggests you're a monster. To trust someone who's unconfirmed this early on sounds completely bonkers! *honk honk!*
Hinckley Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 *Somersaults back into the room* Unvote: Derek Polanes (DarthPotato) What? Are you saying we should lynch someone who's claimed cop? Absolutely. His story sounds ridiculous. He's backtracked and is now just trying to save his Scummy megablocks. What? Why would anyone claim anything to you this early on? You've done nothing so far that suggests you're a monster. To trust someone who's unconfirmed this early on sounds completely bonkers! *honk honk!* Fair enough, dear. I'll agree I haven't done anything to prove I'm a monster...besides claiming I'm the Mummy...but I do believe it's honk honk bonkers. Doesn't it sound like someone is just trying to clear their Scummy friend that you just unvoted?
Hinckley Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 Peter Desmund likes to drop eaves and then run off.
MagPiesRUs Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 To be honest, the fact that Derek was the only person with a non-monster alter-ego was the main reason I voted for him. Derek was very confident in revealing that he didn't have a monster alter-ego, which struck me as a townie thing to do, and I was fully expecting someone else to back up his assertion. His cop roleclaim makes me a lot more wary of voting for him though. I suppose it's possible that the powerful PRs get stranger alter-egos, so that they are more vulnerable to suspicion. It seems like you're acting on the assumption that the scum would deliberately sabotage their own game just so that they can say, "well, scum would never do that!" instead of, you know, actually doing something that makes sense and will keep them alive.
Piratedave84 Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 I'm down with revealing my alter ego; I am the monster werewolf. My role's Monster Fortune Teller, AKA the cop. This is what I talking about all along... I don't even ... Why would you do that? If there's no cop counterclaim, we should all claim our identities/roles to Derek. Additionally: after the black and white nature of the last situation, I'm sure God intentionally created more ambiguity with the alter egos this time around. Remember how easily the monsters fell last time? What would be the point of setting up scum to die like dogs again? What? How can ... NO!! I cam only imagine the discussion on the writeboard. Scum 1: Hey guys!! I'll claim cop to try and save my megablocks from this lynch. Scum 2: Brilliant!! I'll go In Thread and suggest that everyone claim their roles to you even though it's only day one; monsters are stupid. Scum 3: what a great plan! Council FTW! Other scum : YAY!! We win! This cop claim is BS and the idea that we should claim our roles to Derek is one the worst ideas I've seen here today. Peter Desmund likes to drop eaves and then run off. Peter was on his cell writting a multi quote post ... Thank you very much.
Hinckley Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 His cop roleclaim makes me a lot more wary of voting for him though. I suppose it's possible that the powerful PRs get stranger alter-egos, so that they are more vulnerable to suspicion. So, you're feeding them a potential story. Nice job. It seems like you're acting on the assumption that the scum would deliberately sabotage their own game just so that they can say, "well, scum would never do that!" instead of, you know, actually doing something that makes sense and will keep them alive. It seems to me like Derek screwed up and after disappearing for enough time to get advice from all of his Scum buddies came back and claimed a role. Don't you think Town Power Roles made do something that makes sense and would keep them alive? I cam only imagine the discussion on the writeboard. Scum 1: Hey guys!! I'll claim cop to try and save my megablocks from this lynch. Scum 2: Brilliant!! I'll go In Thread and suggest that everyone claim their roles to you even though it's only day one; monsters are stupid. Scum 3: what a great plan! Council FTW! Other scum : YAY!! We win! Pay attention to the game. I said the same thing, love.
DarthPotato Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 So, who asked you to claim a role? If you're really a Monster, I will find you and punch you in the face. But I highly doubt that. Everything you said has reeked of desperate backtracking. I already said why I did it. What's the point in not doing it? Either way I'm fairly certain I'll be dead by Day 2 and it's better that the town knows about my role than them not knowing. Would you rather have them not know about my role? The scum know I'm telling the truth, and I'm sure they'd at least be able to piece together who the Fortune Teller is.
Hinckley Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 and I'm sure they'd at least be able to piece together who the Fortune Teller is. How, darling? Why would they be looking for a Fortune Teller, love? The more you speak, the less sense you make. Maybe too much wine.
MagPiesRUs Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 It seems to me like Derek screwed up and after disappearing for enough time to get advice from all of his Scum buddies came back and claimed a role. Why would Derek put himself in that position in the first place? There is nothing a council member had to gain from coming out and claiming a non-monster role. Isn't it more likely that a townie genuinely thought that most people didn't have a monster alter-ego than a scum, for whatever reason, blabbing that they had a non-monster role? Don't you think Town Power Roles made do something that makes sense and would keep them alive? Yes, that's why he would've roleclaimed instead of rolling over and dying. Do you really think Derek had any chance of surviving the lynch before he roleclaimed? *honk honk!*
DarthPotato Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 How, darling? Why would they be looking for a Fortune Teller, love? The more you speak, the less sense you make. Maybe too much wine. Last game the figures went with the roles. If you saw someone that stood out with their figure and had one such as the Fortune Teller (which is able to tell fortunes/look into the future, meaning roles), I think you'd be able to tell something's up. It's really not that complicated.
Hinckley Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 Last game the figures went with the roles. If you saw someone that stood out with their figure and had one such as the Fortune Teller (which is able to tell fortunes/look into the future, meaning roles), I think you'd be able to tell something's up. It's really not that complicated. No. Fortune Teller does not mean investigator to me. Sorry. It's ambiguous. Why would Derek put himself in that position in the first place? Scum slip up, darling. We've seen it before and I'm pretty sure that's what we've seen here. Couldn't someone defend themselves without a 24 hour break to possibly confer with their team? It's not like the weird claim is the only thing that seems Scummy about Derek. Everything he says seems off.
DarthPotato Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 No. Fortune Teller does not mean investigator to me. Sorry. It's ambiguous. Then what does? If you're going to be so reliant on figures, and if you're going to automatically say every townie has a monster figure, then what monster figure is cop?
Hinckley Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 Then what does? If you're going to be so reliant on figures, and if you're going to automatically say every townie has a monster figure, then what monster figure is cop? It doesn't need to mean anything nor should it! Alter egos should not indicate a character's role. That's a poor setup, in my opinion, if it does. And that should not be the question you're asking if it really is your role. Monsters don't have to correlate to Mafia Night Actions. Was that your attempt at seeming like you had a role? If it was really your role, I think you would just insist that it's how your role is setup. You're trying to find a role that indicates your claim. I would think, if I was say the co-host of the first one for example, that someone might've advised God not to make such correlations in a second iteration. Just maybe. Actually, I should cool it on the wine and check on that, but still. I'm not changing my vote. Your first statement is Scummy, your panicked roleclaim is Scummy, everything you've said is Scummy, so you are the best lynch candidate in my opinion. Love.
DarthPotato Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 It doesn't need to mean anything nor should it! Alter egos should not indicate a character's role. That's a poor setup, in my opinion, if it does. And that should not be the question you're asking if it really is your role. Monsters don't have to correlate to Mafia Night Actions. Was that your attempt at seeming like you had a role? If it was really your role, I think you would just insist that it's how your role is setup. You're trying to find a role that indicates your claim. I would think, if I was say the co-host of the first one for example, that someone might've advised God not to make such correlations in a second iteration. Just maybe. Actually, I should cool it on the wine and check on that, but still. I'm not changing my vote. Your first statement is Scummy, your panicked roleclaim is Scummy, everything you've said is Scummy, so you are the best lynch candidate in my opinion. Love. And if it doesn't nor should it, why are you saying you don't see the Fortune Teller as cop? And that's how it was the last game. I was the protector last game and my figure was the surgeon (like a doctor). Only the people with night actions this game will be able to tell if they correlate to figures, so I guess we'll have to leave it at that then.
Hinckley Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 And if it doesn't nor should it, why are you saying you don't see the Fortune Teller as cop? And that's how it was the last game. I was the protector last game and my figure was the surgeon (like a doctor). Only the people with night actions this game will be able to tell if they correlate to figures, so I guess we'll have to leave it at that then. That was the last game and doctor, guess what, means doctor. You're saying the Scum would be able to figure out the Fortune Teller was the investigator and guess what this time, a Fortune Teller is not a cop! So, I don't buy your justification for needing to claim. I don't think the Scum would've figured out you were the investigator if you were revealed tomorrow to be the Fortune Teller.
DarthPotato Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 That was the last game and doctor, guess what, means doctor. You're saying the Scum would be able to figure out the Fortune Teller was the investigator and guess what this time, a Fortune Teller is not a cop! So, I don't buy your justification for needing to claim. I don't think the Scum would've figured out you were the investigator if you were revealed tomorrow to be the Fortune Teller. Then what monster is an investigator? None of them are. Fortune Teller has investigative qualities and makes perfect sense to me.
Hinckley Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 Then what monster is an investigator? None of them are. Fortune Teller has investigative qualities and makes perfect sense to me. It doesn't need to make sense to you, it only needs to make sense to the host. If your argument is that it makes perfect sense to you, then it sounds like you've made it up. I can't imagine monsters would be replaced with normies just to justify having qualities of power roles. That would be completely stupid. If it is the case, it's not your fault, it's God's. If you are Town and have a power role you should've been much more careful blabbing about your alter ego. Really. Really, if the host has made our alter egos indicate what roles we have, then that is a huge mistake.
Tamamono Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 Besides, what would be the point of giving Derek all our roles if he's just going to be lynched? Or are you now saying that we shouldn't lynch him? I feel like it's implied that I don't want to lynch him. To all those interested in playing conservatively and not claiming to Derek: I'm pretty confident he's real. I'd be ok with waiting a game day at most provided our doctor keeps the dude alive past tonight, but I wouldn't give up this opportunity to organize everything just yet. I realize it goes against most of the game strats you're all accustomed to, but being willing to go out on a limb is a good quality to have in these situations. If you aren't going to claim to him, at least don't lynch him. Really, if the host has made our alter egos indicate what roles we have, then that is a huge mistake. He did this last time too; don't act skeptical of it.
CMP Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 I feel like it's implied that I don't want to lynch him. Well that's obvious, you're suggesting we literally give everything to the guy most people seem to think is scum.
Tamamono Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 Well that's obvious, you're suggesting we literally give everything to the guy most people seem to think is scum. To sum it up, yeah. I'm being much more lackadaisical about it this time around, and I realize that doesn't inspire confidence, but conservatism isn't going to help us. While yeah, if there is a cop that isn't Derek, it'd be neat if he wouldn't claim, we also shouldn't lynch uncounterclaimed PRs. Even those who think he's scum should unvote and find someone else.
CMP Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 While yeah, if there is a cop that isn't Derek, it'd be neat if he wouldn't claim, we also shouldn't lynch uncounterclaimed PRs. We're not lynching an uncounterclaimed PR, we're lynching a scum going all in with as much megablocks as he can muster in a last-ditch attempt to save himself. You're pushing very hard to get him unvoted. This is far from the first time a day one lynchee has claimed a power role, but this is the first time I've seen one person so utterly convinced by such a claim.
Tamamono Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 We're not lynching an uncounterclaimed PR, we're lynching a scum going all in with as much megablocks as he can muster in a last-ditch attempt to save himself. You're pushing very hard to get him unvoted. This is far from the first time a day one lynchee has claimed a power role, but this is the first time I've seen one person so utterly convinced by such a claim. And on the other side, it's odd how convinced you and the rest of the town are. Hinck's character even said there were more Monsters who werent monsters, per se. If you're gonna take the conservative route, actually take it. One of the actions stipulated as a no-no by conservative play is lynching one of town's most important PR's when there's no actual evidence that he's scum.
Hinckley Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 He did this last time too; don't act skeptical of it. I'm not acting, darling. I am skeptical of it. I'm aware of what was done last time and it was misguided then as well. To force a figure to be a monster to fit a Power Role is plain silly. However, looking back, the Gangster was a Monster as he was a goon.
Tamamono Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 I'm not acting, darling. I am skeptical of it. I'm aware of what was done last time and it was misguided then as well. To force a figure to be a monster to fit a Power Role is plain silly. However, looking back, the Gangster was a Monster as he was a goon. As was the evil knight. We can't all be Frankenstein. It's an unrealistic standard for Monstrous beauty! What's the point of alter egos if they don't correspond to roles? And like I said, after last time, God wouldn't want to make them all set in stone. The mobster and evil knight were both found because literally every town role as benign. If it were like that, it's a breakable game. I'm very confident that God decided to add more ambiguity to his original concept for this time around, even if he did keep the correspondence to PRs.
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