CMF Mafia 2 - Day One - On the Case

[Hinckley]

What's the point of alter egos if they don't correspond to roles?

Because it's fun to hide and play the Night Action pictures with the actual characters. I remember a story, darling, called Steampunk Mafia where the alter egos had no bearing on their roles. The point was to hide the royal family. The Town suggested revealing their real identities but the host intervened. The host realized afterwards that the game should've been set up differently for people to be able to claim without having the game be blown apart by it. But the royal family had a reason to hide so it originally surprised the host when they Town suggested they all reveal themselves. Maybe the guards had specific Actions based on their three personalities and maybe the jester was a bomb or something like that but it wasn't so blatant as the cop was the cop. Anyway, in that, the game had a specific reason for the roles to be hidden. In this, the roles are hidden so we don't know who the Scum are!

That being said, if the PRs are all obvious by what the actual alter ego is, how much more likely are we to catch the Scum than lose all of the PRs and give the Scum a map to win?

Maybe the setup where the alter egos indicate power roles would make sense if the Town has that risk of revealing too much... Ugh, there's not enough wine to help me think through this.

[MagPiesRUs]

Someone claimed to me, in private, to have a monster non-monster role too.

The claim is dubious and I hardly trust the source.

What do you guys think of that?

I have some thoughts, but I'm trying to weigh what might give too much away vs. what is complete and utter megablocks. If it is complete and utter megablocks, the Scum have made themselves very easy to catch. If the truth is being told...well...let's weigh that option.

Have you made any progress with this?

Presumably you think they're scum as well as Derek? Because the whole idea that Derek is scum seems to rest on the premise that all monsters have monster role. If this person is a townie too, that means that Derek did not slip up, and that there are in fact non-monster monsters. *honk honk!*

If the person you're talking to in private is scum however, I'd still be inclined to believe Derek is telling the truth. If Derek really did make a slip up like you said, surely his teammates wouldn't also put their necks on the line like that to protect him? It's too risky a move.

[Hinckley]

Have you made any progress with this?

Presumably you think they're scum as well as Derek? Because the whole idea that Derek is scum seems to rest on the premise that all monsters have monster role. If this person is a townie too, that means that Derek did not slip up, and that there are in fact non-monster monsters. *honk honk!*

If the person you're talking to in private is scum however, I'd still be inclined to believe Derek is telling the truth. If Derek really did make a slip up like you said, surely his teammates wouldn't also put their necks on the line like that to protect him? It's too risky a move.

I was working on this but you sound remarkably like this person in private. Either the logic is glaring and I'm missing it or you are all three working together.

Hmmmmm...

[Tamamono]

Because it's fun to hide and play the Night Action pictures with the actual characters. I remember a story, darling, called Steampunk Mafia where the alter egos had no bearing on their roles. The point was to hide the royal family. The Town suggested revealing their real identities but the host intervened. The host realized afterwards that the game should've been set up differently for people to be able to claim without having the game be blown apart by it. But the royal family had a reason to hide so it originally surprised the host when they Town suggested they all reveal themselves. Maybe the guards had specific Actions based on their three personalities and maybe the jester was a bomb or something like that but it wasn't so blatant as the cop was the cop. Anyway, in that, the game had a specific reason for the roles to be hidden. In this, the roles are hidden so we don't know who the Scum are!

We're dealing with two very different Gods here. Every PR was obvious last time in this universe: Vig was knight, Cop was blocker (handcuffs), Sherlock was cop, Surgeon was doctor, and so on and so forth.

I'm going to blatantly metagame here and say that the roles match the alter egos.

Additonally: if Derek Zoolander is scum and lying, that means he personally knows of PRs in this game: scum PRs. He would claim something in accordance with what he knows, so that would mean scum's PRs match their alter egos.

No matter what, PRs match alter egos.

That being said, if the PRs are all obvious by what the actual alter ego is, how much more likely are we to catch the Scum than lose all of the PRs and give the Scum a map to win?

Hence why claiming in public is an astronomically bad idea. Stop it, everyone. Stop.

Ugh, there's not enough wine to help me think through this.

Here, there's some in front of me.

[Hinckley]

Kelly, you had the order of these posts incorrect:

We should ask everyone for their identification cards. And then burn them. The cards. Or the people. Either way works.

Yea lets see if someone screws up this time

I just thought it odd that you jumped on Sally, when it was Mikatta that brought up the alter egos. I thought at the time that Sally was just role playing.

And where did I jump on anybody? At that point I had only told Sally that Mikatta thought he was trying to get people to claim.

We've been here how many hours and I still have yet to hook up with anyone. I wonder if Henry the hairbrush is available?

Won't share? Sad. Anyway, lots of talk about hair and catty activities, we must have an abnormal amount of estrogen around right now.

We definitely need to test our monster vs non-monster identities and since it appears we have an outlier already, nothing to do but go after it.

Vote: Derek Polanes (darth potato)[\b]

Not having much luck voting since I'm stuck on my phone out of town.

How's the view from under that radar?

And who said the town's alter egos were monsters? I don't even think there's enough monsters in all of the minifigure series for that.

What originally bugged me about this is that the "town" is Scum this time and the "scum" are the Town. So your whole question could seem even more like a screw-up.

That's an assumption that I assumed someone who didn't know would make, but it looks like almost everyone has monster figures anyway. I'm sure I'm not alone though.

What? Can you look back at this and tell me what you are saying, please?

If you're going to base it on figures, then here's the monsters/monster-like figures I count.

Zombie

Vampire

Witch

Alien

Mummy

Alien

Evil Cyborg

Werewolf

Mad Scientist

Frankenstein

Gangster

Alien

Minotaur

Evil Knight

Female Alien

Evil Robot

Vampire Bat

Alien Avenger

Cyclops

Medusa

Evil Mech

That's 21. Last game a scum was caught because they screwed up due to this system. I don't think that would be inverted this game since it would mean the scum were screwed if everyone started claiming alter egos. Since it appears so many people have monster figures, then I'd say it could very well just be completely random this time to throw people off.

After all this discussion why couldn't you come in at this point and simply say you were the Monster Fortune Teller.

Did anybody tell Derek or anybody by the point of the above post how their Role PM was structured?

This is what I mean, my figure is called the "Monster _____", the blank spot being my actual figure.

Why couldn't you have said this earlier? Why did this come 24 hours after the first discussion of your alter ego?

If Derek is Town, here's my first candidate for Scum:

Seems pretty straight forward. I have yet to see a reason why townies would NOT have a monster. Vote: Derek Polanes (Darth Potato)

Burn, burn, burn the scum!

Second vote is a safe place for Scum to vote since you can claim time zones hampered you from voting first and you're not too far into the bandwagon to look like you're just piling on once momentum gets going. If you know Derek's claim is real, it's a great way to get rid of a Power Role, isn't it, love? That and all the other Scummy things you've done in just one day.

[Tamamono]

Second vote is a safe place for Scum to vote since you can claim time zones hampered you from voting first and you're not too far into the bandwagon to look like you're just piling on once momentum gets going. If you know Derek's claim is real, it's a great way to get rid of a Power Role, isn't it, love? That and all the other Scummy things you've done in just one day.

I've already stated that I find Sally to be pretty scummy. I'd be up for voting her if everyone's willing to get off Derek.

You do raise a good question about the role PM, though. Derek, why didn't you state you were technically a Monster earlier?

[Hinckley]

Oh, I'm feeling religious. If I have faith and a little win, I believe the Lord will heal me! Oh, love. I'm wracking my brain trying to sort this out. Should we unvote the crazy Fortune Teller? I just don't know at this point.

I've already stated that I find Sally to be pretty scummy. I'd be up for voting her if everyone's willing to get off Derek.

You do raise a good question about the role PM, though. Derek, why didn't you state you were technically a Monster earlier?

get off Derek.

[Tamamono]

*Polly want a cracker*

Has there been a lifetime when I haven't??

[jimmynick]

Dio mio, there's been a lot of talk! Back in the days of the Spanish Inquisition, head-chopping was not by democracy.

We're dealing with two very different Gods here. Every PR was obvious last time in this universe: Vig was knight, Cop was blocker (handcuffs), Sherlock was cop, Surgeon was doctor, and so on and so forth.

I'm going to blatantly metagame here and say that the roles match the alter egos.

Additonally: if Derek Zoolander is scum and lying, that means he personally knows of PRs in this game: scum PRs. He would claim something in accordance with what he knows, so that would mean scum's PRs match their alter egos.

No matter what, PRs match alter egos.

If Derek is town, then he's extrapolating from one datum. If he's scum, you're right, he has a large enough data set to generalize.

I would think, if I was say the co-host of the first one for example, that someone might've advised God not to make such correlations in a second iteration. Just maybe.

The correlation of alter egos and roles was a game breaker last time, so if this time I were given, say, "Fortune Teller" and "Cop" I should think it's by coincidence, not by design. I (and I think anyone else) wouldn't extrapolate from one sample to the population.

The fact that Derek has insisted that alter egos correspond to roles suggests he has inside information. On Day One, that says scum. I'm keeping my vote where it is.

[Hinckley]

Well, I wanted to wait longer with this, loves, but we are running out of time. The other person who claimed to me has less of a monstery role than Fortune Teller and claims to be a faith healer. The description given to me of their role is exactly as it is seen in the link provided. They claim that their role PM tells them that there are two faith healers and they don't know who the other is but if they both target the same person, the role fails altogether. Pretty much exactly as the link I've provided. If this is true, there's another Faith Healer out there that might be able to get word to us that they exist and corroborate all of this non-monster monster claim hooey.

We have the option of lynching this Faith Healer instead of the claimed Investigator to test the non-monster monster claims. To completely metagame our host, the Monster roster last time was:

Cyclops – blocker

Medusa – godfather

Evil Knight – goon

Gangster – goon

So, 20 players last time and four Scum. If there are only 15 Townies (Monsters), would two of us be Faith Healers? Also, it looks like all of the Monster roles were actual monsters last time. I have trouble thinking that the roles would go so far outside the monster realm just to encompass justification for their role. Who thinks Medusa would automatically mean Godfather?

We have 24 hours left to see if this other Faith Healer exists. If you are the other Faith Healer please think of a way to get that info to us, quickly. If it helps, your role is super weak and even somewhat lame, darling.

[Darkdragon]

I wasn't around last time, but here's what I'm seeing could be a possibility based on what I have read.

Derek is saying his alter-ego is listed as "Monster [some nonmonster fig]" and that he has a PR. Last time all the PR (non monster of course) were closely tied to the actual figure "role".

So, if this is actually true and we all have revealed our alter-ego, then the council will know what monsters have PR because they will be the ones with "Monster [whatever]" alter-ego instead of a simple monster name like "mummy".

It's troubling me that Clarissa and Helen are so unwilling to even consider this lynch or reveal is a bad idea.

[Hinckley]

It's troubling me that Clarissa and Helen are so unwilling to even consider this lynch or reveal is a bad idea.

If you think I'm not considering not voting, darling, then you do not have the ability to read. Thank you for the lovely summary, by the way.

I meant "un-voting", not "not voting". Sorry, loves.

Tickles listens to what we're saying much more often than he responds to the conversation.

[CMP]

It's troubling me that Clarissa and Helen are so unwilling to even consider this lynch or reveal is a bad idea.

I'm willing to consider it. Most of my annoyance with Timothy is that he suggested everyone just reveal everything because this guy claims to be a PR. Everyone's now pointing to last game, and looking at it I suppose it does add some credibility to Derek knowing roles were tied into identities in the past. I'm still thinking it over.

[Hinckley]

I'm willing to consider it. Most of my annoyance with Timothy is that he suggested everyone just reveal everything because this guy claims to be a PR. Everyone's now pointing to last game, and looking at it I suppose it does add some credibility to Derek knowing roles were tied into identities in the past. I'm still thinking it over.

And Timothy has gone from telling us to rush to claim to Derek to saying that he could know the roles are tied to alter egos because he is actually Scum.

A lot has happened today and I think those who are Town should be willing to test the information that is being discussed.

Those who are gliding under the radar while this is all being discussed should be duly noted as well, darlings.

[MetroiD]

Either way I'm fairly certain I'll be dead by Day 2 and it's better that the town knows about my role than them not knowing. Would you rather have them not know about my role? The scum know I'm telling the truth, and I'm sure they'd at least be able to piece together who the Fortune Teller is.

Either way, you could have made much more use of your power role by trying to rally Monsters around you. Instead, you've openly shared it in public, so that now the scum can make sure you remain useless throughout the game. A round of applause for a situation really well handled. In all honesty, I for one can really buy the notion that you've become entangled in a stupid mess of "is this alter-ego monster enough or not" and "how monstrous should monsters look and sound to actually qualify as monsters" - which, in itself, is not the best thing on which to base our game and assumptions. But at the same time I'm absolutely convinced that you haven't done what's best for your fellow Monsters in this instance. That is, of course, as long as your claim is valid, which is still anyone's guess.

I'm not contradicting myself at all. It was a good idea, until someone told me the roles could maybe be derived from the identities, after which I got more doubts. There is no contradiction.

But you are darling - and I just don't trust you one single bit. For some weird reason, you first pushed us in one direction in the beginning of the day, and from that point onward you've been trying to play innocent and lost. I'm the hairdresser who makes little other use of her head here, remember?

I said I wanted to hear some more of what you had to say, and instead you've let this whole thing play out trying to ride it out and successfully lynch what might potentially be our Cop thanks to Helen's wine-induced ramblings...

My views change. I can walk you through every change of heart I had about the situation, if it would please the lady?

It would. Please do. In the meantime,

Vote: Sally Carrotine (Scubacarrot)

[Hinckley]

lynch what might potentially be our Cop thanks to Helen's wine-induced ramblings...

Darling, I agree with your read on Sally, but it's appallingly rude to blame this situation on me. I didn't blab a Power Role and desperately roleclaim. I've brought a viable solution to the table which has been duly ignored. You all apparently believe we are likely to have two faith healers. I would never say anything harsh to you dear, but I'm brewing coffee instead of offering you another glass of wine.

[MagPiesRUs]

Tickles listens to what we're saying much more often than he responds to the conversation.

Spinning many plates at once is harder than it looks, you know. *honk honk!*

Personally, I'd be more confident in lynching one of the Derek bandwagoners. Caitie is one that sticks out to me - she has had very little to say, turned up and got her vote in early, and hasn't had anything to say about the changing situation since.

But if we really have to test this theory that all monsters must have monster alter-egos , then I'd be a lot happier lynching the faith healer than our potential cop, even if the other faith healer does turn up. I'd much rather lose a weak protector (who, if scum, is under no obligation to actually protect a promised target) than an investigator.

Why do you keep claiming that the bandwagon against Derek is Helen's fault? Clarissa had as much to do with it as Helen. In your other post, it almost seemed as if you were setting things up for a Helen lynch tomorrow if Derek turned out to be town:

I know I'm probably going to follow your lead tonight, but I also know I'd have a lot to doubt if it turns out to have led us in the wrong direction.

[Darkdragon]

If you think I'm not considering not voting, darling, then you do not have the ability to read. Thank you for the lovely summary, by the way.

I meant "un-voting", not "not voting". Sorry, loves.

Ah ok, maybe I did misunderstand what you were saying then. It wasn't a summary, it was a theory.

I'm willing to consider it. Most of my annoyance with Timothy is that he suggested everyone just reveal everything because this guy claims to be a PR. Everyone's now pointing to last game, and looking at it I suppose it does add some credibility to Derek knowing roles were tied into identities in the past. I'm still thinking it over.

I agree with you about the revealing things, that never leads to success in my experience. Revealing roles in public only helps the scum.

[MetroiD]

Why do you keep claiming that the bandwagon against Derek is Helen's fault? Clarissa had as much to do with it as Helen. In your other post, it almost seemed as if you were setting things up for a Helen lynch tomorrow if Derek turned out to be town:

Why you believe that I "keep claiming" anything is beyond me. I'm just showing what's called reasonable doubt, as should any sane Monster on day one, surrounded with this flurry of finger-pointing. Aren't you also at least slightly worried whether we're lynching the right person tonight?

I didn't blab a Power Role and desperately roleclaim. I've brought a viable solution to the table which has been duly ignored. You all apparently believe we are likely to have two faith healers. I would never say anything harsh to you dear, but I'm brewing coffee instead of offering you another glass of wine.

I don't mind getting some coffee instead of wine, as long as it isn't mean, darlin, but... Was it not true that precisely your initial convictions were that Derek was one of the council members based on his alter-ego thoughts and theories? I wasn't trying to offend you honey, nor was I pointing fingers. If anything, I'd call it credit where credit is due.

In all fairness, Derek's roleclaim also reeks of desperation to me as well, and I'd credit that to him being asked into an alter-egooy corner... However, I don't find his initially voiced theory sufficiently wrong per se to actually join the witchhunt against him. His actions afterwards are what's worrying to me - and they might be the consequence of scumminess indeed, or just an attempt to clutch at any single straw out there in order to avoid being lynched on Day One. If it's the latter though, I'm sure he has by now realised that he's done us Monsters a huge disfavour by blabbing as much as he did, and that is in turn the real reason (at least to me) to feel suspicious of him. There's others around us though who are demonstrating equally erratic and worrying behaviour, so let's see how this day develops.

[Scubacarrot]

Second vote is a safe place for Scum to vote since you can claim time zones hampered you from voting first and you're not too far into the bandwagon to look like you're just piling on once momentum gets going. If you know Derek's claim is real, it's a great way to get rid of a Power Role, isn't it, love? That and all the other Scummy things you've done in just one day.

Absolutely, why don't you list all the scummy things I have done for me?

I just want to point out, that in the olden days, before the game of lynching and sum was played on 'the internet', there was a game called werewolves. (it had cards, great for burning) In that game, there were no cops or investigators, but there were fortune tellers who did the same thing. Now, I don't think that means Derek is town. Likely the scum knew this as well. The claim is absolutely dumb. A fortune teller is not a monster. A monstrous fortune teller just sounds dumb.

It would. Please do. In the meantime,

Actually, that was sarcasm. However, as you wish: Did some roleplaying, did not grasp the identities implication, figured it might be a good idea to do it anyway, heard that roles were tied to identities last time from somewhere, got doubts, decided that with monsters the connections would probably be too vague. Now I'm ambivalent.

[Cecilie]

Wow, ok, this escalated fast... I see no reason to vote for Derek anymore right now. He has claimed cop. In my book, you don't lynch a cop claim right away unless it's obvious they're lying. From all that's been said so far, I actually believe Derek's claim right now. So I will Unvote: Derek Polanes (DarthPotato)

As for alternative lynch candidates, these two have stood out to me with things they've said that pings my scumdar:

First there's Mikatta. He was very talkative at the beginning of the day, but never really said much of substance. He quickly voted for Derek, but has since been rather quiet. There's also this statement, which seems like he's trying to preemptively excuse his absence:

Aaahww whaat a busy day for me and also whaaaw what a busy day here or at least interesting for a day one, one WHAHAHAhaawhhahahahaha..

Then there's Carl, who's not talking much either, and who made a post that seemed like a forced attempt at justifying his vote for Derek, when it was already obvious why we were all voting for Derek:

Um, yeah. Re-reading the days thread after a night sleep did flesh out the more scummy behavior from Derek Potatos. Looking over what he said, I think this statment stood out most to me as scummy, or strange/un-town-like the most, since it implys that he's not town and either scum or third party:

I think any actual townie would know that last statment is very wrong. Like always in witch hunts, we don't usually have much to go on day one, but this seems more solid than it could have been. Let's see if this lynches a nice human as opposed to an evil monster. Then we can feast!

Vote: Derek Polanes (Darth Potato)

But it's all hunches and gut feeling. I need to think about this some more before I cast a new vote...

And for the record, I disagree with Timothy that everyone should just claim to Derek. I may not want to vote him out right now, but it's still not a good idea for everyone to run to him. He still needs to prove himself.

Personally, I'd be more confident in lynching one of the Derek bandwagoners. Caitie is one that sticks out to me - she has had very little to say, turned up and got her vote in early, and hasn't had anything to say about the changing situation since.

Sorry I don't live in your timezone. This is the first I've had time to check the thread since before Derek claimed cop.

[Kristel]

I'd like to hear opinions on claiming out alter egos. I have a lot of thoughts right now, but want to hear from everyone else.

Definitely not in public. More generally, I think it's too early. I'd want to be fairly comfortable that the person we're claiming to is Monster.

My role's Monster Fortune Teller, AKA the cop. This is what I talking about all along...

I agree, you should have stopped after "Fortune Teller". And you could have stated that part much earlier. I'm not convinced.

More likely scummy role cop than a town cop.

If there's no cop counterclaim, we should all claim our identities/roles to Derek.

Not a chance. I hope our real cop keeps quiet about their role.

Jesus Christ, why would a council member come out and claim immediately; what benefit would that even have?

Think before you bandwagon.

I don't get the point of this statement.

To all those interested in playing conservatively and not claiming to Derek: I'm pretty confident he's real. I'd be ok with waiting a game day at most provided our doctor keeps the dude alive past tonight, but I wouldn't give up this opportunity to organize everything just yet.

Since when do you advocate playing conservatively? I'm not comfortable with the notion of our doctor wasting his / her action on your scum buddy.

We can't all be Frankenstein. It's an unrealistic standard for Monstrous beauty!

Are you claiming Frankenstein? That would be at odds with ...

Hence why claiming in public is an astronomically bad idea. Stop it, everyone. Stop.

I'm going to blatantly metagame here and say that the roles match the alter egos.

I don't believe we have any evidence to support that.

I'm comfortable with where my vote is, but I'd be willing to switch votes to Timothy. Scratch that, we can lynch Timothy tomorrow.

Kelly, you had the order of these posts incorrect:

No, I didn't. The issue was with how I interpreted them. I didn't think much of Sally's post because I thought she was just role playing. Mikatta's post made me think about alter egos. That's why (in my mind at least) I thought Mikatta brought it up first.

Below is the post in question. I added the bolding.

You didn't specifically say "alter egos", but this comment below was the first post that made me think of alter egos. So, in my mind, you were the first to raise it.

Just to be clear, I'm not jumping on you, Mikatta. I'm just pointing out to Helen what my though process was.

[MagPiesRUs]

*Rides in on unicycle and performs several figure eights around the room*

I don't understand why people are so eager to risk losing our investigator to pursue evidence that isn't very damning at all. The case against Derek seems to boil down three things:

- The fact that he claimed a non-monster role. This was done under no duress and is now backed up by a private claim (which as I mentioned before, seems to make it unlikely that Derek is scum)

- The fact that he took too long to reveal his alter-ego. Derek has explained his rationale behind this, and it seems plausible enough to me. Certainly not grounds for a lynch by itself. Why would he need to wait around and confer with his team in order to come up with one of the 150 or so different non-monster minifigures anyway? Couldn't he have easily come up with one himself?

- The fact that he claimed cop too easily. Even though he already had 14 votes on him and just revealing his alter-ego would have done nothing to change anyone's mind.

Sorry I don't live in your timezone. This is the first I've had time to check the thread since before Derek claimed cop.

Really? Huh. I could have sworn you had been online since Derek made his reveal. I must be going crazy. *honk honk!*

Checking back again, it seems Carl, Kingsley, Lacey and Mikatta have all been around since Derek roleclaimed. It would be nice to hear your thoughts on this. At the moment, it feels as if some of you are testing the waters, seeing if it's safe to leave your votes on Derek or if you're going to have to get another townie lynched instead.

Why you believe that I "keep claiming" anything is beyond me. I'm just showing what's called reasonable doubt, as should any sane Monster on day one, surrounded with this flurry of finger-pointing. Aren't you also at least slightly worried whether we're lynching the right person tonight?

I just find it odd that you seem to be implying that Helen is responsible for the votes against Derek, even though several others had a hand in it too. To me, it came across as you planting the seeds for suspicion against her should Derek turn out to be a townie tomorrow.

[Peanuts]

If you're going to base it on figures, then here's the monsters/monster-like figures I count.

Zombie

Vampire

Witch

Alien

Mummy

Alien

Evil Cyborg

Werewolf

Mad Scientist

Frankenstein

Gangster

Alien

Minotaur

Evil Knight

Female Alien

Evil Robot

Vampire Bat

Alien Avenger

Cyclops

Medusa

Evil Mech

That's 21. Last game a scum was caught because they screwed up due to this system. I don't think that would be inverted this game since it would mean the scum were screwed if everyone started claiming alter egos. Since it appears so many people have monster figures, then I'd say it could very well just be completely random this time to throw people off.

After all this discussion why couldn't you come in at this point and simply say you were the Monster Fortune Teller.

Did anybody tell Derek or anybody by the point of the above post how their Role PM was structured?

It's not a screw up, I meant every word I said. My figure is not a monster but I'm still a monster. This is what I mean, my figure is called the "Monster _____", the blank spot being my actual figure. I am aligned with the monsters and I'm town, it's just that my figure's not an actual monster.

Why couldn't you have said this earlier? Why did this come 24 hours after the first discussion of your alter ego?

You're making a good point here. To me, these two posts by Derek don't seem consistent, I can't see how listing the monster figures and theorizing that the indentities are random is supposed to say that he's a monster version of a minifigure. It almost sounds like he received new information after the first post.

Well, I wanted to wait longer with this, loves, but we are running out of time. The other person who claimed to me has less of a monstery role than Fortune Teller and claims to be a faith healer. The description given to me of their role is exactly as it is seen in the link provided. They claim that their role PM tells them that there are two faith healers and they don't know who the other is but if they both target the same person, the role fails altogether. Pretty much exactly as the link I've provided. If this is true, there's another Faith Healer out there that might be able to get word to us that they exist and corroborate all of this non-monster monster claim hooey.

We have the option of lynching this Faith Healer instead of the claimed Investigator to test the non-monster monster claims. To completely metagame our host, the Monster roster last time was:

Cyclops – blocker

Medusa – godfather

Evil Knight – goon

Gangster – goon

So, 20 players last time and four Scum. If there are only 15 Townies (Monsters), would two of us be Faith Healers? Also, it looks like all of the Monster roles were actual monsters last time. I have trouble thinking that the roles would go so far outside the monster realm just to encompass justification for their role. Who thinks Medusa would automatically mean Godfather?

We have 24 hours left to see if this other Faith Healer exists. If you are the other Faith Healer please think of a way to get that info to us, quickly. If it helps, your role is super weak and even somewhat lame, darling.

That's interesting. I'm wondering whether scum would claim Faith Healer. It's a very comfortable claim, since you don't have to actually do anything and even have an excuse in case your action fails, and the role is rare enough a counterclaim is unlikely, but why claim there's another one?

I don't think the scum would risk two players just to save one, and I find it hard to believe that one of the faith healers is scum and the other is town. So, if we hear of another claim, I'd be inclined to believe.

As for alternative lynch candidates, these two have stood out to me with things they've said that pings my scumdar:

First there's Mikatta. He was very talkative at the beginning of the day, but never really said much of substance. He quickly voted for Derek, but has since been rather quiet. There's also this statement, which seems like he's trying to preemptively excuse his absence:

Mikatta said pretty much the first thing today that was of substance: She outed herself as the witch. You seem to ignore that.

[Captain Nemo]

Checking back again, it seems Carl, Kingsley, Lacey and Mikatta have all been around since Derek roleclaimed. It would be nice to hear your thoughts on this. At the moment, it feels as if some of you are testing the waters, seeing if it's safe to leave your votes on Derek or if you're going to have to get another townie lynched instead.

Yeah I'll say I'm testing the waters; this is day one afterall, though you won't know it from all the in-fighting already;and of course we all know how dangerous 1700's ships are. I have to say I don't believe Derek's cop or alter-ego claim, which is why I'm keeping my vote on him.

In addition to claiming cop, he says his alter-ego is the Fortune Teller--convenient. I feel that he's scum who in an attempt to save himself, claimed role cop with an alter-ego he knew would most likely not be used by someone else; thus stopping a counter-claim on the role or alter ego. A Fortune Teller is not a monster, especially in comparision to all the other figures that are more "monster-ish" and would therefore be more-likely to be used/chosen as our alter egos. Any streetwise role cop would not counter-claim him on day one, since then they'd be a target, and I don't think anyone would counter-claim his Fortune Teller, since there is no Fortune Teller; rather it's a made up alter ego. This is also information that he threw out after the heat was on him, and as some already pointed out, that it was a signifigant period of time to mean a scum-board conversation.

Aside from him, this new Faith Healer claim is interesting.

Well, I wanted to wait longer with this, loves, but we are running out of time. The other person who claimed to me has less of a monstery role than Fortune Teller and claims to be a faith healer. The description given to me of their role is exactly as it is seen in the link provided. They claim that their role PM tells them that there are two faith healers and they don't know who the other is but if they both target the same person, the role fails altogether. Pretty much exactly as the link I've provided. If this is true, there's another Faith Healer out there that might be able to get word to us that they exist and corroborate all of this non-monster monster claim hooey.

We have the option of lynching this Faith Healer instead of the claimed Investigator to test the non-monster monster claims. To completely metagame our host, the Monster roster last time was:

So, 20 players last time and four Scum. If there are only 15 Townies (Monsters), would two of us be Faith Healers? Also, it looks like all of the Monster roles were actual monsters last time. I have trouble thinking that the roles would go so far outside the monster realm just to encompass justification for their role. Who thinks Medusa would automatically mean Godfather?

We have 24 hours left to see if this other Faith Healer exists. If you are the other Faith Healer please think of a way to get that info to us, quickly. If it helps, your role is super weak and even somewhat lame, darling.

On this Healer topic, first off, I myself don't really belive this claim too much, since it just seems so out there, with no way to prove it (through use, since they can claim fail). But more importantly second, I don't understand why it would be a good idea to lynch this Faith healer rather than Derek--at this current moment. They are both very sketchy, and I think it's very possible that either one or both are lying. Aside from you Helen, the rest of us know even less about this new claim then we know about the last one, and I think it would be even more of a shot in the dark if we go after this new claim--however I'm not advocating we forget about this Healer, he/she needs to be verified, but I don't think we should do that with this lynch. Derek is a better lead in my opinion.

Did the Healer tell you their alter-ego? That is a large basis for this current lynch after all. It could turn out that the Healer's alter-ego is even more or less "monster-ish" than Derek's, which could mean something about both their alignments.