CMF Mafia 2 - Day One - On the Case

[LegoDad]

Folks, I'm sorry I have been very absent so far, but I'm out of town here on day 1 and am doing all this from my phone. It's been very hard to follow what is going on with the limited amount I've been able to read.

I agree that lynching Derek is very risky, but also feel if there were even a decent amount of non-monster monsters, we would have heard by now. Maybe they are in fact pr's and don't want to claim, I get that. But at this point, Derek seems to be more of an outlier than anything. I don't even think my vote counted since I can't figure out how to bold in my phone.

[TrumpetKing]

Vote Tally

Derek Polanes (DarthPotato) - 10 (Hinckley, Scubacarrot, CallMePie, Cecilie, Kristel, Peanuts, Bob, KingOfTheZempk, Piratedave84, Captain Genaro,)

Sally Carrotine (Scubacarrot) -1 (MetroiD)

About 16 hours remain in the day

[CMP]

What is the suspicious alter ego this faith healer claimed, anyway?

[Tamamono]

The fact that Derek has insisted that alter egos correspond to roles suggests he has inside information. On Day One, that says scum. I'm keeping my vote where it is.

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I cannot even begin to explain how wrong this is. Even if Derek is scum, this isn't why. Roles corresponding to alter egos has been a thing with this host.

Additionally, if he's town, the fact that he's the Fortune Teller can't be an accident. You are literally skewing the logic to fit where it helps you. Ping.

And Timothy has gone from telling us to rush to claim to Derek to saying that he could know the roles are tied to alter egos because he is actually Scum.

That's not what I'm saying; I explained both possibilities because you were utterly reluctant to believe that that roles were tied to alter egos.

Not a chance. I hope our real cop keeps quiet about their role.

If Derek's scum, yeah, it'd be cool if the real cop didn't claim, but on the other side, we're lynching an uncontested cop.

Honestly, if there's another cop, claim to Helen. She claimed Mummy, and I highly doubt that'd be a scum alter ego what with the low amount of true monsters.

Since when do you advocate playing conservatively? I'm not comfortable with the notion of our doctor wasting his / her action on your scum buddy.

I don't. I'm saying that if you have to play that way, actually play that way. Don't say lynching Derek is safe when the reverse is also true.

Are you claiming Frankenstein? That would be at odds with ...

No. I used Frankenstein as an example to refer to the entirety of the truly "monstrous" figures with.

I'm comfortable with where my vote is, but I'd be willing to switch votes to Timothy. Scratch that, we can lynch Timothy tomorrow.

I'm really disappointed in you. I'd have thought someone as level-headed as you would have seen the logic and where I was coming from.

[Cecilie]

Really? Huh. I could have sworn you had been online since Derek made his reveal. I must be going crazy. *honk honk!*

I always have Eurobricks open in multiple tabs in my browser. That doesn't mean I'm actively online, or that I have time to read up on all that's been said. Derek made his claim at midnight my time. I was in bed, sleeping then. I got up at 6 this morning, browsed the internet for a bit during breakfast (I may have checked how many new pages had appeared here, but I didn't have time to catch up). I went to morning aikido practice, then to work. I am still at work. Yet I am trying to read and comment on stuff. I'll have more time once I get home this evening. I don't know how your life is structured, but this is mine.

Mikatta said pretty much the first thing today that was of substance: She outed herself as the witch. You seem to ignore that.

I must have missed that. I'll have to look back and see what was said. But are you saying that claiming witch is proof she's a monster? I think not.

Derek Polanes (DarthPotato) - 10 (Hinckley, Scubacarrot, CallMePie, Cecilie, Kristel, Peanuts, Bob, KingOfTheZempk, Piratedave84, Captain Genaro,)

Didn't I unvote Derek?

[Piratedave84]

To sum it up, yeah.

I'm being much more lackadaisical about it this time around, and I realize that doesn't inspire confidence, but conservatism isn't going to help us. While yeah, if there is a cop that isn't Derek, it'd be neat if he wouldn't claim, we also shouldn't lynch uncounterclaimed PRs.

Even those who think he's scum should unvote and find someone else.

So we should not vote for the person whom we think is the most scummy but rather lynch "someone else" ... How about we lynch you for trying so hard to steer us away from what clearly appears to be the best option today.

How would a claim from the actual cop help us in anyway? It would inevitably lead to said person's death. The way I see this is that we have a 50/50 chance of lynching the cop as it stands whereas if the cop claims, we have a 100% chance of them dying. How is that better?

Speaking of claims ... Have people not learnt that you should not claim on day 1, especially not to Helen.

[Peanuts]

I must have missed that. I'll have to look back and see what was said. But are you saying that claiming witch is proof she's a monster? I think not.

Proof? No. But why would a scum member out their identity? It's very risky and offers few reward. Judgig from the limited pool of monsters, I'd say it's likely one of us is a witch, yet nobody countered her.

[Captain Genaro]

This whole Derek claiming has become a bigger mess than the time Paul Caroni hit back in, oh, must have been ’92. Or was it 93’? Anyway, that one had a restaurant full of witnesses. Fortunately, the witnesses had mass amnesia and couldn't quite place me at the crime.

I could see there being some non-monster monsters out there, such as a gangster, evil knight or mad scientist. Fortune Teller just doesn't sound very evil. From a Council perspective, it seems like a safe claim. It's doubtful that the monsters would have this role (who knows, maybe it really is his role) and then stating that he's a cop makes people hesitant to vote for him.

I'll be keeping my vote with Derek. Sure, there's a slim chance he's a monster. Nonetheless, Derek has not done anything to convince me of his innocence. He has only tried to make me concerned by claiming cop.

The "Faith Healer" seems to be an interesting role and based off what little information I know, I'm inclined to think they're monster. One thing which convinces me is the claim that there is a second Faith Healer. For the council, it's an unnecessary complication.

As for testing our theories on the Faith Healer instead of Derek. While I would prefer to do this, we simply do not have the time today for Helen to reveal the Faith Healer's identity and then get enough votes to lynch them. Hopefully tomorrow we will know more about the Faith Healer.

[Peanuts]

As for testing our theories on the Faith Healer instead of Derek. While I would prefer to do this, we simply do not have the time today for Helen to reveal the Faith Healer's identity and then get enough votes to lynch them. Hopefully tomorrow we will know more about the Faith Healer.

This must be the laziest thing ever. "I'd rather kill the claimed Faith Healer than the claimed Cop, but there's not enough time, so whatever." We still have more than 12 hours left, if I'm not mistaking. Identities can be revealed in that time, and lynches can be turned around.

So far I'm waiting for the second faith healer to somehow prove the first one (but hopefully not in public, we've had enough public claims already). Probably they should claim to Helen.

[KotZ]

I'm gone to go plan my next crime and this happens? Well this is certainly interesting. As was said, there have been too many public claims. It's going to get confusing and if claims are true, then the Council know who to go to.

On the other hand, public claims could serve as an advantage for us. If people don't keep up with their public claims (if one made a false claim), then we could see who claimed what, possibly leading us to scum. Right now, I see no reason for myself to unvote Derek.

Keep in mind, the Council may be splitting up their votes, some actually voting for Derek if he is Council, just to save the rest of their skins later on in the next few days. Tomorrow, we will seewhat results of our vote, letting us see have a better understanding of those infiltrating us, whether Derek is or is not Council (I'm betting he is, but if he's not, we lost one of us who may not have helped us along the way.) As a criminal mastermind, I know that sometimes we have to make tough decisions to make easier ones. This is an easier decision, but it by no means is as easy as choosing wine or potatoes.

[Scubacarrot]

I'm just saying, as of right now, if Caitie speaks true, Derek will NOT be lynched. So vote. Unvoting without an alternative seems unhelpful. A no lynch is generally bad.

[Hinckley]

I'm in a rush, but I think perhaps unvoting Derek is a good idea. Unvote: Derek Polanes (Darth Potato)

I'd rather have a no lynch than vote for our investigator. If Derek is Town we have enough of a voting pattern to follow, particularly the eight people who were waiting to see what happened and not placing their vote at all.

There are two faith healers, if I'm to believe the claims being made in private.

[Hinckley]

Lacey, that radar will only skip you for so long.

A no lynch is generally bad.

Is it bad in this situation?

[Piratedave84]

I'm in a rush, but I think perhaps unvoting Derek is a good idea. Unvote: Derek Polanes (Darth Potato)

I'd rather have a no lynch than vote for our investigator. If Derek is Town we have enough of a voting pattern to follow, particularly the eight people who were waiting to see what happened and not placing their vote at all.

There are two faith healers, if I'm to believe the claims being made in private.

How would we assert if Derek is town ... if is the alleged investigator.

I'm thorn here, I would lynch Derek because:

The best case scenario here (if he is not the cop) is that we can find out his allegiance on day 3.

What if Derek is scum and PRs follow the advice, albeit retarded advice, of Timmy and claim to him, what then?

Without a lynch the vote would be extremely hard to interpret/analyze, I am still confident in my vote as I see no other option and am uncomfortable with a no lynch on day 1.

On the flip side, I would not lynch him because:

Lynching the cop today would definitely suck.

This being said, I would frankly rather keep the alleged cop alive so Unvote: Derek Polanes (Darth Potato)

Double post

... well look at me contradicting myself ... I meant to delete the "I am still confident in my vote as I see no other option and am uncomfortable with a no lynch on day 1." part of my comment.

It should read "I am however uncomfortable with a no lynch on day 1"

Also

Lacey and Mikatta, I see you there lurking; wanna say something?

[Bob]

Unvote: Derek Polanes / Darth Potato

I don't genuinely want to believe his role claim, specifically because a Fortune Teller isn't really a "monster-like" role, however I also don't want to take the chance of lynching the investigator. We don't have too much on Derek, I suppose. I'm still waiting for that second faith-healer to reveal himself.

[KotZ]

I know what I said earlier, and I hate to flip flop on things, I mean I'm a starfish, I stick to things, but maybe you all are right. As much as I hate no lynches, I certainly hate claiming roles early on, and I definitely hate flip-flopping positions. I don't want to seem like a bandwagoner, which is why I'm considering keeping my vote, but I don't want to seem horible if he does get lynched or killed in the night and he does turn out to be our investigator. Sometimes a criminal needs to stepback and know when he does not know the answer.

As for now, Unvote: Derek Polanes (Darth Potato).

[Piratedave84]

SNIP

I'm still waiting for that second faith-healer to reveal himself.

What's this?

SNIP

There are two faith healers, if I'm to believe the claims being made in private.

Litterally 6 inches above your post ...

[Mencot]

"POFF"

Back again, (daaamn should not be busy with real life):

As for alternative lynch candidates, these two have stood out to me with things they've said that pings my scumdar:

First there's Mikatta. He was very talkative at the beginning of the day, but never really said much of substance. He quickly voted for Derek, but has since been rather quiet. There's also this statement, which seems like he's trying to preemptively excuse his absence:

Whiiiii been flying around on my broomstick back and forth to this place and the "witchacademy"(will say this just once in this game(don´t wanna whine) because it is irrelevant to this game and everybody is in the same situations(odcourse) but I have had 2 busy and long days of real life worktraining and then busy small children familylife, I have a real life you know)

So thank you for driving a "witch"hunt against me, got nothing to hide but next time come up with something better when talking about someone being scum or pinging your scumradar then "that he/she was online first said something and then has been absent for a few hours, equals must be scum"

I think you have been absent also in this too, if I am right and I am!

*Rides in on unicycle and performs several figure eights around the room*

Need to try that, hmm no it would just be stupid... a witch on a unicycle they would say, she is clearly no witch then (think about it)

Really? Huh. I could have sworn you had been online since Derek made his reveal. I must be going crazy. *honk honk!*

Checking back again, it seems Carl, Kingsley, Lacey and Mikatta have all been around since Derek roleclaimed. It would be nice to hear your thoughts on this. At the moment, it feels as if some of you are testing the waters, seeing if it's safe to leave your votes on Derek or if you're going to have to get another townie lynched instead.

Yes and now I am here. And what do I feel about Derek roleclaim... can I boil it in my pot. Guess not.

Rewinding back to the part where he he said that he is the "monster fortune teller"... what is that a monster fortune teller, isn´t that a Witch, technically, right! Not saying that he isn´t but to me the fortune teller cmf is more of a good gal then a evil one but who knows.

Then the cop claim, Fortune teller and Cop, Cop and Fortune Teller, no don´t get it. Don´t see the resemblance between them. Since I have been gone there was about 5 pages of new comments and I tried to read them pretty fast but get the most of it(have to reread them better latter)

But Derek dear, no matter what now your dead, 1. you get voted to be lynched or 2. you are speaking the truth but then the scum will get you. What I am trying to say no matter what you are useless now, because can you be trusted so much that you can be protected at night (if you survive the lynch)

Survive the lynch then I guess you could be worth the trust... but I am not convinced yet.

Guess there is alot of PMs going on in the background between some people but that is normal but people don´t trust every one you talk too.

So could someone fill me in what is a "faith healer"?

Definitely not in public. More generally, I think it's too early. I'd want to be fairly comfortable that the person we're claiming to is Monster.

I agree, you should have stopped after "Fortune Teller". And you could have stated that part much earlier. I'm not convinced.

More likely scummy role cop than a town cop.

I could not agree more. And the statement that Derek did when he said he only claimed in public because when he is gone the scum can´t try to claim "cop" because we know the truth. Good try and although 14 people or something near that had voted for you, it was a idiot move to do no matter what (my opinion)

No, I didn't. The issue was with how I interpreted them. I didn't think much of Sally's post because I thought she was just role playing. Mikatta's post made me think about alter egos. That's why (in my mind at least) I thought Mikatta brought it up first.

Just to be clear, I'm not jumping on you, Mikatta. I'm just pointing out to Helen what my though process was.

Okay (not ok-ey) thanks I guess and the alter egos (or actually isn´t it our "real ourselves" and these what we got now is our alteregos ) would had been brought up.

[Cecilie]

Proof? No. But why would a scum member out their identity? It's very risky and offers few reward. Judgig from the limited pool of monsters, I'd say it's likely one of us is a witch, yet nobody countered her.

Ok, I've checked back now. Mikatta has never claimed witch as her alter ego. She is publicly the "forest witch". Just check the character listing. It says this:

Mikatta - Played by Mencot - Forest Witch

So now tell me, why are you so bent on defending her? I haven't even thrown here a proper accusation yet, just poked her a little.

Lacey and Mikatta, I see you there lurking; wanna say something?

I've seen Mikatta lurking earlier today too. She seems to be a lot less vocal now than earlier in the day. And Pamela over there is defending her for no good reason.

I'm just saying, as of right now, if Caitie speaks true, Derek will NOT be lynched. So vote. Unvoting without an alternative seems unhelpful. A no lynch is generally bad.

I'm considering my options on who to vote for. But first things first: unvoting a claimed cop to show my stance on that situation.

I know what I said earlier, and I hate to flip flop on things, I mean I'm a starfish, I stick to things, but maybe you all are right. As much as I hate no lynches, I certainly hate claiming roles early on, and I definitely hate flip-flopping positions. I don't want to seem like a bandwagoner, which is why I'm considering keeping my vote, but I don't want to seem horible if he does get lynched or killed in the night and he does turn out to be our investigator. Sometimes a criminal needs to stepback and know when he does not know the answer.

As for now, Unvote: Derek Polanes (Darth Potato).

You are considering keeping your vote because you don't want to seem like a bandwagoner? Great reasoning there, really.

[Hinckley]

I'm trying to catch up on the day, but think it's worth mentioning that both Faith Healers have alter egos that are human. They're in line with a fortune teller. So unless the Scum are risking three to save one, our Monster PRs are not very monstery, at least the three we're supposedly hearing about.

Of course, there are other options than all three of them being Monsters...

[Mencot]

I am not gonna unvote becuase, look how bad it looks now when everyone who comments does it. it is like a reverse bandvagon, that is what it is.

Not saying that Derek couldn´t be town but like said above I am not convinced. And he screwed up, he was pressured and did a bad call but it can be a scum-game...

[Cecilie]

Whiiiii been flying around on my broomstick back and forth to this place and the "witchacademy"(will say this just once in this game(don´t wanna whine) because it is irrelevant to this game and everybody is in the same situations(odcourse) but I have had 2 busy and long days of real life worktraining and then busy small children familylife, I have a real life you know)

So thank you for driving a "witch"hunt against me, got nothing to hide but next time come up with something better when talking about someone being scum or pinging your scumradar then "that he/she was online first said something and then has been absent for a few hours, equals must be scum"

I think you have been absent also in this too, if I am right and I am!

I see we cross posted. First of all, I did not accuse you of being gone a few hours. I accused you of seemingly preemptively excusing yourself for being gone a few hours (which shouldn't be necessary. We all have busy lives. Like you say, me too.) And then actually disappearing for quite a while more than a few hours. But you're here now, so that's good. Note that I have not voted for you, I'm just trying to make you speak up again, since you were so vocal early in the day before we were really discussing anything much. I just want to hear everyone comment on the whole Derek situation.

[Mencot]

Ok, I've checked back now. Mikatta has never claimed witch as her alter ego. She is publicly the "forest witch". Just check the character listing. It says this:

Mikatta - Played by Mencot - Forest Witch

Actually if you wanna know this but I am against public claiming but I did it, this comment, first page, last one:

I am the "Drum roll" Witch

I've seen Mikatta lurking earlier today too. She seems to be a lot less vocal now than earlier in the day. And Pamela over there is defending her for no good reason.

You are pretty hard going for me, whats up with that and you don´t read others comments I see (maybe you can´t read, is that it)

you trying to steer away suspicion from someone else on to me, are you?

Iam gonna use your excuse Caitie I actually have Eurobricks on my mobile and WIFI on all the time but it doesn´t mean I am online.

[Hinckley]

I am not gonna unvote becuase, look how bad it looks now when everyone who comments does it. it is like a reverse bandvagon, that is what it is.

What does it matter what it looks like if you are doing it for the right reasons.

[Mencot]

I see we cross posted. First of all, I did not accuse you of being gone a few hours. I accused you of seemingly preemptively excusing yourself for being gone a few hours (which shouldn't be necessary. We all have busy lives. Like you say, me too.) And then actually disappearing for quite a while more than a few hours. But you're here now, so that's good. Note that I have not voted for you, I'm just trying to make you speak up again, since you were so vocal early in the day before we were really discussing anything much. I just want to hear everyone comment on the whole Derek situation.

Yea I am here now and trying to catch up, it is day one and this has been the most messed up dayone in my witch (eb mafia) career.

What does it matter what it looks like if you are doing it for the right reasons.

ofcourse if you got good reasons, like you have do it... but I meant not everybody unvoting gives a good reason, like someone doesn´t give a good reason when voting for someone. That is what I meant with reverse bandvagon!