Piratedave84 Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 Don't I remember that Derek made his own choice since it's his own action? Didn't we just advise and then not ask who he ended up targeting? Isn't that the best way to do it? Yes!! Why hasn't Melinda also voted for Kelly since you both were trying to convince me to lynch her? Who is "we" in the first paragraph? It's interesting that you say Melinda is trying to convince you to lynch Kelly; in my conversation he seems somewhat hesitant to re-vote for her.
jimmynick Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 Everyone needs to realize that Kristel's for claims because when she's "confirmed" by Derek. If we can trust his results, we can trust him. Anyone who trusts Kristel because of the result is therefore assuming that Derek is also town, and if they're doing that, there's no reason not to claim. Well, if she had volunteered the fact she had been investigated as a Monster, we perhaps would have been more willing to trust her. At any rate, I still trust Derek over her; there are plenty of ways to mess with an investigation, but if Derek has been lying, why haven't we seen a counter-claim?
Tamamono Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 Well, if she had volunteered the fact she had been investigated as a Monster, we perhaps would have been more willing to trust her. At any rate, I still trust Derek over her; there are plenty of ways to mess with an investigation, but if Derek has been lying, why haven't we seen a counter-claim? This sums it up very nicely.
Piratedave84 Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 If Derek is council, then where the heck is the monster cop? Why hasn't he found some way over half way through Day 2 to let us know that Derek is lying? Dead? Blocked? Investigated a council member and is unwilling to expose him/herself? Etc ... Besides, if Derek is lying, then wouldn't it be a pretty stupid idea to open up by claiming one of his own team members as monster? Wouldn't he start by using monsters just in case someone got the notion to check the validity of his statements? Why not? The same argument you made above in that there are no counterclaims could empower the scum to be bold and make that risky move. Plus, if you're hoping that lynching Kelly will clear up the whole Kelly/Helen/Derek mess, then I think this is a rather poor reason to lynch someone. Sure their arguments are confusing and annoying, but unless you really think she's scum, I don't believe we should lynch her. Not just to clear the mess, that's the lesser argument, I'm hoping to clear the cop or catch scum. You can cross my name off that list. Yay! Thanks for sharing. Now what can you add to the discussion? What are your thoughts on the lynch candidates? Who are your main suspects? CONTRIBUTE!
Hinckley Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 Who is "we" in the first paragraph? No!! Can't people megablocking ask me questions as statements so I can answer them as questions???
Piratedave84 Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 No!! Can't people megablocking ask me questions as statements so I can answer them as questions??? Lete take out the question mark: Who is "we" in the first paragraph!!!! *let me
MagPiesRUs Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 Is this one of the stupidest statements I've ever seen in a Mafia game? I'm not sure why the scum targeting their own with a curse would be outside the realm of possibility. If the council do have a cursing ability, they wouldn't use it solely on townies. Anyone else think that Mikatta is behind the curse? If we are to believe that night actions are associated with our alter-egos, then the witch does seem the most likely to have a curse ability. Though I guess a mummy could have a curse too... You can cross my name off that list. So you've sent Derek your alter ego just now? Why the wait? I think it's safe to say that there will be scum amongst the list Derek has provided. The council will likely want to keep their identities a secret, as it is possible that they can slip up if they do. We know that at least one council member will have to lie about their alter ego. And if the theory that non-monster roles are PRs, then the council members need to be extra careful about claiming.
DarthPotato Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 So how far fetched do you all think it is that a figure that died in the last game is someone's figure this game? Because to me it seems fairly unlikely, especially because it's the only one like that.
Tamamono Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 So how far fetched do you all think it is that a figure that died in the last game is someone's figure this game? Because to me it seems fairly unlikely, especially because it's the only one like that. *sniff sniff* I smell scum.
Piratedave84 Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 So how far fetched do you all think it is that a figure that died in the last game is someone's figure this game? Because to me it seems fairly unlikely, especially because it's the only one like that. What?
DarthPotato Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 What? A figure that died in the last game is someone's figure this game. And all other figures this game are new and were not in the last one. Another thing I noticed is that it's very likely that the people with a little less monster-y figures have power roles, so if you do have a power role, definitely don't go claiming your alter ego in public even if it doesn't directly connect to your role.
Piratedave84 Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 Interesting, very interesting. Since you are just now mentioning this, I'm going to say that it would be your most recent claim; Giovanni's?
DarthPotato Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 It's Jeffrey's, actually. Evil Knight and Vanilla according to him. There are multiple things that strike me about this. The first one that it's obvious an already used figure from the last game (the only one, it looks like, like that this game). That would mean it would be less likely someone would have this, making it easier to claim. And there are still several monster figures that I've not heard about that could have been used instead of the Evil Knight. So, why the Evil Knight? To me, it seems like a safe figure to claim if you want to lie.
Kristel Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 Well, if she had volunteered the fact she had been investigated as a Monster, we perhaps would have been more willing to trust her. At any rate, I still trust Derek over her; there are plenty of ways to mess with an investigation, but if Derek has been lying, why haven't we seen a counter-claim? Helen told me at the start of Day 2 that I had been investigated. It was her and Derek (and I don't know who else) that decided that this result should not be revealed. If it had been my choice, this would have been revealed at the Start of Day 2.
Piratedave84 Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 Helen told me at the start of Day 2 that I had been investigated. It was her and Derek (and I don't know who else) that decided that this result should not be revealed. If it had been my choice, this would have been revealed at the Start of Day 2. So you knew of your results, knew of Derek seemingly unwavering trust in Helen and still opted to call out Helen and bicker? Why?
DarthPotato Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 Also note that I still don't have alter egos from Dragonishki, Sally, and Lacey, so we can't completely look at this until I hear their roles.
Kristel Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 Haven't you done questionable things since then? Didn't I already point out you didn't believe the investigator but wanted us all to claim to you anyway? And then didn't I point out how weird it was that you magically believed the investigator? I started speaking to Derek in the first third of Day 2 (~48 hours ago). I was comfortable with his responses right from the start and told him I trusted him. Time then passed with no counter claim, which made me more confident in him. No magic at. I just didn't choose to share my feelings and thought on him with you because I was already becoming suspicious of you. So you knew of your results, knew of Derek seemingly unwavering trust in Helen and still opted to call out Helen and bicker? Why? There is an incorrect assumption in your question. It's Jeffrey's, actually. Evil Knight and Vanilla according to him. There are multiple things that strike me about this. The first one that it's obvious an already used figure from the last game (the only one, it looks like, like that this game). That would mean it would be less likely someone would have this, making it easier to claim. And there are still several monster figures that I've not heard about that could have been used instead of the Evil Knight. So, why the Evil Knight? To me, it seems like a safe figure to claim if you want to lie. There's a PM where I state that I think Jeffrey is scum. Everyone needs to realize that Kristel's for claims because when she's "confirmed" by Derek. Do you mind clarifying this statement?
jimmynick Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 I've not heard about that could have been used instead of the Evil Knight. So, why the Evil Knight? It's not my fault I was dealt the Evil Knight. The minifigures used are obviously limited by what Mercutio owns. To me, it seems like a safe figure to claim if you want to lie. A priori, no-one would know that many of the alter-egos in this game hadn't been used before. Lying about having the Evil Knight, I think, is just as risky as lying about having another monster, such as the vampire bat. Or the alien villainess. Or the space villain. You get the point. There's a PM where I state that I think Jeffrey is scum. Would you care to share, or will you do that thing where we have to take on faith everything you say?
DarthPotato Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 It's not my fault I was dealt the Evil Knight. The minifigures used are obviously limited by what Mercutio owns. And I'm pretty sure Mercutio owns a pretty large amount of them.
Kristel Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 Not just to clear the mess, that's the lesser argument, I'm hoping to clear the cop or catch scum. I am a Monster. Lynching or killing me will not clear Derek and won't catch scum.
CMP Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 A priori, no-one would know that many of the alter-egos in this game hadn't been used before. Lying about having the Evil Knight, I think, is just as risky as lying about having another monster, such as the vampire bat. Or the alien villainess. Or the space villain. You get the point. Um...it sounds like you're trying to defend your choice of lie here. Let's make it easier....does anybody else have an alter ego from last game? We don't need details, just a yes or no would help.
Tamamono Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 Do you mind clarifying this statement? There should be an "asking" in there.
Piratedave84 Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 There is an incorrect assumption in your question. Which one?
Kristel Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 Would you care to share, or will you do that thing where we have to take on faith everything you say? You should question everything that is said by everyone at this stage of the game, but you are doing that less than I have come to expect from you.
Piratedave84 Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 There is an incorrect assumption in your question. Which one?
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