CMF Mafia 2 - Day 2 - Special Delivery

[Hinckley]

I'm not sure what the two faith healers are, perhaps Helen could tell us their monster roles and clear this up.

Didn't I ask this yesterday? Did I not only receive one or two responses about it? Wasn't the conclusion not to reveal them?

I would really like Derek to tell us what the result of his night action was. He's already come out and claimed, so I really don't think he can really endanger himself.

Can you think of any reason why that would be a bad idea?

[Tamamono]

Anyways, I still feel that Derek is scummy. His claim does not match up with Kingsley whatsoever--ergo, a weak PR role that's uncommon and a sketchy alter-ego.

What does King's role have to do with Derek??

I hope you get it. A fortune teller is not a moster--we've seen a vampire and a scarecrow thus far. The former a clear monster, the latter not as monster-ish, but both are non-human. I know my monster alter ego is also non-human; Helen has also said her's is the mummy (If I remember right), but also not human. Which one is not like the others?

So the fact that you don't have a human alter ego is grounds for lynching everyone who does?

I asked specifically for the alter-ego from this healer (I was directly fishing yes), as did Clarissa, and from my knowledge, we've (the public) not recived an answer yet.

I don't see why it's so important that Helen tell us the alter egos of the faith healers. If they get nightkilled and we know their alter egos, we know exactly what's been killed. Let's keep scum in the dark.

I was talking about egos in private with someone just a while ago, and they said that perhaps the egos don't mean really anything, since that person's ego was very monsterous but didn't do anything; but I disagreed, everything is here for a reason. There is a reason we have egos, and that reason is that they are connected to roles; otherwise why would they be included in the first place. One may ask why I keep bringing it up, but it's because I feel we can find the ego that doesn't match the role; we can find the fake role in the list of true ones.

How does this help anything? Fortune Teller matches up with cop a lot better than Scarecrow matches up with blocker.

Hottie McHotterson is pushing pretty hard for a lynch on the town cop, whom we would have definitely seen a counterclaim for by now if he wasn't real. Any reason you're so adamant about ridding the town of a valuable PR??

I'm not sure what the two faith healers are, perhaps Helen could tell us their monster roles and clear this up.

You're sounding an awful lot like Hottie here. Careful.

I'm not so certain about Lacey, but I think that a strong case can be made for Melinda.

She's not the only one a strong case can be made against.

[Scubacarrot]

Didn't I click mutliquote on this? How does it stand out to you? Are you going to be passive aggressive too?

Weren't there 20 players the first time? And weren't there only four Scum in that group?

It stands out to me, because it's connection I would never have made, and relies on some very bendy logic. In what way am I passive aggresive?

I wasn't there, if you say so?

I would really like Derek to tell us what the result of his night action was. He's already come out and claimed, so I really don't think he can really endanger himself.

Scum-logic. If Derek comes out and says X is Town, guess who the scum make a priority target. If he found a scum, which he obviously didn't, or we'd know, then he can come out and say it. But half in my mind is that he won't be finding scum because he IS scum.

[Hinckley]

It stands out to me, because it's connection I would never have made, and relies on some very bendy logic.

Are you making an accusation or just fishing for others to join you?

In what way am I passive aggresive?

Yes.

I wasn't there, if you say so?

Maybe.

[Scubacarrot]

Are you making an accusation or just fishing for others to join you?

I am not accusing you. Nor am I fishing for others to join me.

[Tamamono]

While I'm inclined to trust Helen because of her claim, something's stood out to me:

Maybe.

Maybe.

Maybe.

What's with all the maybes? Lacey and Melinda asked legitimate questions (admittedly, "What???" doesn't count) and you responded with these odd maybes.

Can you cut the crap and actually answer questions? While revealing too much isn't helpful, neither is total reticence.

Maybe.

There it is again.

[Scubacarrot]

Logically, the scum really wanted Kingsley to be lynched yesterday. and he only got JUST lynched, with 10 votes, and 10 votes neccesary. The first voter, Caitie wasn't scum, and I am not scum, so eight people left. How high is the chance that the four, if Helen is right, scum are in there?

Kingsley of the Starfish (KingoftheZempk) - 10 (Cecilie, jamesn, Hinckley, Peanuts, Scubacarrot, Tamamono, Piratedave84, CallMePie, DarthPotato, Bob)

Bleeb's vote sealed the deal for Kingsley, town blocker, lynch with only 15 minutes remaining in the day. That's suspicious.

[DarthPotato]

Yeah, I'm not going to come out and reveal the results. Unless you want the scum to have an easy kill then it's better not to.

[Scubacarrot]

slow

You haven't noticed how he's talking only in questions and maybe's (and No a few times)? Obviously there's some sort of trickster. Or Helen's just being a giant douchebag. Either situation is likely.

[LegoDad]

Helen, you think I'm scummy in every game, and just about every time I'm town. I was gone Day 1 and brought forth that information way back when we were asked by God to help him out. You helped me out with the phone bolding well after it had become clear that lynching Derek might not be a great idea, so I left it since my vote wasn't counted. I was able to follow along but never had time to REALLY get involved.

I admit I think you're town, you have your classic vanilla town "blame everybody and see what sticks" thing going. Which actually makes me feel good because I was conned big time in our past life in the Nordic hills.

But seriously, what is up with you today?

Yeah, I'm not going to come out and reveal the results. Unless you want the scum to have an easy kill then it's better not to.

Claim to Helen, everybody else has.

[Piratedave84]

Yeah, I'm not going to come out and reveal the results. Unless you want the scum to have an easy kill then it's better not to.

I'm not following you. Are you saying that by revealing your investigation results you would give scum a fix on that person's allignement and thereby making them a target?

[Hinckley]

I tried to vote from my phone but couldn't figure out how to bold. I was around when the Starfish bandwagon was going, but it looked like the same arguments against him as you were getting, so it didn't make sense to vote again since I don't like voting for people if they claim. I would like to make sure that person is lying first. I'm back in town now and will be able to be much more active from here on out.

Did I read it wrong the first time?

But seriously, what is up with you today?

Yes.

I am not accusing you. Nor am I fishing for others to join me.

Does anybody else think he's trying to raise suspicion around me and see if anyone else bites?

[Scubacarrot]

Does anybody else think he's trying to raise suspicion around me and see if anyone else bites?

If anything I want to poke you, if you're town, that's very good, if you're not, we are in big trouble, don't let that go to your head though, because you talk like an idiot.

[Hinckley]

because you talk like an idiot.

And what's your excuse?

[Scubacarrot]

And what's your excuse?

I'm only eight years old.

[LegoDad]

Did I read it wrong the first time?

Yes.

Does anybody else think he's trying to raise suspicion around me and see if anyone else bites?

Read what wrong?

You know what, I don't think I can do this anymore. You're obviously afflicted with a condition limiting your mental faculties. I hope this is a fast moving illness and passes.

[Hinckley]

Read what wrong?

Yes.

[jimmynick]

It seems that Kingsley of the Starfish wasn't lying about his role now.

Lat but not least, minotaur, anyone? Kid minotaur, no less... We have a surprise 'hidden' appearance at the end of Day One and everyone chooses to ignore it!?

Just as Mercutio was our host in CMF 1, so was Fluffy. I imagine the minotaur is Fluffy Jr. or something.

His claim does not match up with Kingsley whatsoever--ergo, a weak PR role that's uncommon and a sketchy alter-ego. We also got that third claim to Helen, the other half of that same weak PR, which is equally sketchy, with with Helen said also is a less monster-ish role then one would think. I'm not convinced.

A cop is an uncommon and weak PR, so it's not a problem to lynch a claimed cop? *Ding ding* we have a winner, folks! Can anyone else hear the bells of St. Clement's?

Yeah, I'm not going to come out and reveal the results. Unless you want the scum to have an easy kill then it's better not to.

I don't follow. The scum already know who the town are, so obviously revealing that information won't give them an advantage. Everyone knows you've claimed cop, so there's no more information to be revealed vis a vis that.

Helen, you think I'm scummy in every game, and just about every time I'm town. I was gone Day 1 and brought forth that information way back when we were asked by God to help him out. You helped me out with the phone bolding well after it had become clear that lynching Derek might not be a great idea, so I left it since my vote wasn't counted. I was able to follow along but never had time to REALLY get involved.

I admit I think you're town, you have your classic vanilla town "blame everybody and see what sticks" thing going. Which actually makes me feel good because I was conned big time in our past life in the Nordic hills.

But seriously, what is up with you today?

Claim to Helen, everybody else has.

Did I read it wrong the first time?

Helen, I'm confused. You quoted Lacey as saying:

"I tried to vote from my phone but couldn't figure out how to bold. I was around when the Starfish bandwagon was going, but it looked like the same arguments against him as you were getting, so it didn't make sense to vote again since I don't like voting for people if they claim. I would like to make sure that person is lying first. I'm back in town now and will be able to be much more active from here on out."

But the post you quoted doesn't have those words in it. Are you trying to give an editorial commentary on Lacey's behaviour?

[Mencot]

But seriously, what is up with you today?

Yes I wanna know too, Actually Helen what´s up with you... why the one word answers?

Are you going to make an accusation or just be passive aggressive?

Hmm for now I a gonna stay off your back, I don´t wanna metagame but Helga is something I remember very closely.

Ofcourse you have played a bit diffrent in this game, being less of an big as s megablock hole. And you have been helpful in an other way than Helga. So I will stay away for now.

Claim to Helen, everybody else has.

I think she was joking here but don´t claim to Helen... Helen said herself yesterday to not do it.

I trust Helen to some point but it is way too early yet to claim everything to Helen.. because she can be scum.

If anything I want to poke you, if you're town, that's very good, if you're not, we are in big trouble, don't let that go to your head though, because you talk like an idiot.

You do today, too much wine

[Hinckley]

Helen, I'm confused.

Why is half of my post missing?

Are you trying to give an editorial commentary on Lacey's behaviour?

Maybe.

Yes I wanna know too, Actually Helen what´s up with you... why the one word answers?

No.

Hmm for now I a gonna stay off your back, I don´t wanna metagame but Helga is something I remember very closely.

Ofcourse you have played a bit diffrent in this game, being less of an big as s megablock hole. And you have been helpful in an other way than Helga. So I will stay away for now.

What the hell are you talking about?

but it is way too early yet to claim everything to Helen.. because she can be scum.

Oh, is that why? Should we thank the genius?

Was this what is missing from that last post for some reason?

Helen, you think I'm scummy in every game, and just about every time I'm town. I was gone Day 1 and brought forth that information way back when we were asked by God to help him out. You helped me out with the phone bolding well after it had become clear that lynching Derek might not be a great idea, so I left it since my vote wasn't counted. I was able to follow along but never had time to REALLY get involved.

Did I say, "Didn't you already tell us you didn't vote for Kingsley because you couldn't get your phone to vote?" And then did I quote the other quote and realize they actually matched? Is that what happened? Does it make no sense because I accidentally deleted the first half when I went back to capture the other quote? Is it?

[jimmynick]

Did I say, "Didn't you already tell us you didn't vote for Kingsley because you couldn't get your phone to vote?" And then did I quote the other quote and realize they actually matched? Is that what happened? Does it make no sense because I accidentally deleted the first half when I went back to capture the other quote? Is it?

If I understand correctly, you wrote something then quoted yourself and deleted half your post. And that's why the quotation you attributed to Lacy isn't in the thread.

Is that what happened?

[Hinckley]

Is that what happened?

No.

[Peanuts]

I don't follow. The scum already know who the town are, so obviously revealing that information won't give them an advantage. Everyone knows you've claimed cop, so there's no more information to be revealed vis a vis that.

I disagree. If there is a known townie, a town block can be created behind the scenes. If the scum know who was cleared, they can kill them and avoid that town block. The scum have enough information already, we shouldn't share more with them than we have to.

[Hinckley]

This is more like it and yes one of those "reverse bandvagoners"

As his posts today been anything else then fluff. I actually am still keen on a flammed starfish for dinner

I actually did vote... I voted for you and I never did remove my vote. Somehow it had disappeared in the end of the day or the host forgot about it.

Altough I feel unsure about you and your claim I was about to remove my vote from you but TK had locked the thread when I woke up from sleep.

You were keen on voting for Kingsley? Why not then?

What's with all the maybes?

Yes.

Can you cut the crap and actually answer questions?

No.

Why not have everyone claim their alter egos now?

[Peanuts]

Yeah I don't say much, I'll admit it. And in the previous post I just made, I will admit I had mixed up that section about the weak PR. All the claims yesterday threw me for a loop Either way, I still don't trust Derek.

I think you should try to keep the claims straight from now on. It really helps a lot.

I hope you get it. A fortune teller is not a moster--we've seen a vampire and a scarecrow thus far. The former a clear monster, the latter not as monster-ish, but both are non-human. I know my monster alter ego is also non-human; Helen has also said her's is the mummy (If I remember right), but also not human. Which one is not like the others?

I'm intent on lynching Derek because I don't trust his claim.

Well, that doesn't change the fact that either Helen is lying or we have two more claimed non-monsters. The main part of the accusation against Derek was that he said he had a non-monster identity, which some people, me included, interpreted as slip-up.

I myself doubt the scum would risk two more of their own just to save one, so apparently there are townies without monstrous alter egos.

Also, not only did the faith healers confirm that not all townies have monster identities, but they also confirmed that they were put in the style of "monster ______", which a scum member had no wayof knowing (unless somebody let it slip).

All this makes it less likely that Derek is scum, yet you keep pushing for his lynch.

On the bolded section, I'm refering to the fact that the first claim (Derek) is direct form the source--everyone can see it in public and we can all make our own opinions. The second claim, from the faith healer through Helen is secondary, we get everything from Helen, and also we only get things that Helen tells us. I asked specifically for the alter-ego from this healer (I was directly fishing yes), as did Clarissa, and from my knowledge, we've (the public) not recived an answer yet.

Well, that's standard town play, not everyone can have all the info, or the scum will have it too. I'm not sure if I want to have the alter egos published, but if Helen says they are less monstrous than Fortune Teller, I'll have to believe her judgement.

But you have my sympathy, I'm sure it's hard to play scum when everyone's withholding valuable information from you.

As I just said, we are getting everything secondary--we don't know the person nor their ego--which just so happen to be two very important things right now. As you said we knew everything about Derek's claim, however we are far from knowing everything about the healer's claim. I'm not saying Helen is witholding information for a devious reason, clearly more it's for protection of the person; but we should know about this suspiscious alter ego--the role is out there, why cann't the ego be? We now have enough claims and conformations of ego's to find a trend. Vampire, Scarecrow, Mummy, Fortune Teller...this new less monster-ish ego...my own is more monsterous then the last two ones--which doesn't help me belive them at all.

How are the names and the secret identities of the Faith Healers important? The names won't come into importance unless we decide to lynch them, and the identities only in order to back up Derek's claim, and as I said, we'll have to go with Helen's judgement.

I was talking about egos in private with someone just a while ago, and they said that perhaps the egos don't mean really anything, since that person's ego was very monsterous but didn't do anything; but I disagreed, everything is here for a reason. There is a reason we have egos, and that reason is that they are connected to roles; otherwise why would they be included in the first place. One may ask why I keep bringing it up, but it's because I feel we can find the ego that doesn't match the role; we can find the fake role in the list of true ones.

Considering that all the power roles we know of so far don't fall into what would usually be called a monster (Fortune Teller, Scarecrow, whatever the Faith Healers are) one might come to the conclusion that that power role equals non-monstrous secret identity. Or not, I have no idea, and I don't want to discuss this theory too much, as it only helps the scum.