CMF Mafia 2 - Day 2 - Special Delivery

[Scubacarrot]

Are we allowed to vote? Yes, I would also Vote: Bleeb (Bob).

I don't buy his explanation for the whole shifting blame thing.

[Piratedave84]

Do you think the Scum would broadcast who they were going to kill by accusing them?

No

[TrumpetKing]

Sorry, I never opened up voting! If for some reason I don't do it you can vote anyways.

[Bob]

I'm hardly shifting the blame or anything, I just pointed out that it was odd that Timothy was campaigning so very hard for the lynch of Kingsley. I do take responsibility for the lynch of Kingsley, I was the person that sealed the deal and I recognize that. I just saw this:

Bleeb's vote sealed the deal for Kingsley, town blocker, lynch with only 15 minutes remaining in the day. That's suspicious.

And thought that it was a bit odd that while I did seal the lynch, I wasn't the one that was campaigning so hard for his lynch. So I pointing out something that stuck out to me.

[Hinckley]

I'm hardly shifting the blame or anything, I just pointed out that it was odd that Timothy was campaigning so very hard for the lynch of Kingsley. I do take responsibility for the lynch of Kingsley, I was the person that sealed the deal and I recognize that. I just saw this:

And thought that it was a bit odd that while I did seal the lynch, I wasn't the one that was campaigning so hard for his lynch. So I pointing out something that stuck out to me.

So, why shouldn't you be lynched?

[Peanuts]

I'm hardly shifting the blame or anything, I just pointed out that it was odd that Timothy was campaigning so very hard for the lynch of Kingsley. I do take responsibility for the lynch of Kingsley, I was the person that sealed the deal and I recognize that. I just saw this:

And thought that it was a bit odd that while I did seal the lynch, I wasn't the one that was campaigning so hard for his lynch. So I pointing out something that stuck out to me.

If your statement was in reply to the Sally's you just quoted, why didn't you tell so in the beginning? Also, Sally said that the scum probably wanted to get Kingsley lynched, not that they were behind the lynch. Jumping on the bandwagon in the last minute is scummier than pushing hard for the lynch. Your reply doesn't convince me that we shouldn't lynch you.

I still think Carl is scum, but to me you are the second best candidate. Since everyone else doesn't even regard my accusation of Carl, I'll

vote: Bleeb (Bob)

[Hinckley]

Since everyone else doesn't even regard my accusation of Carl

Wasn't his behavior just as Scummy as the Town blocker in the last game?

[MetroiD]

So Sally has chosen to once again follow Helen's rhetorical rhetoric. Not surprising, then again I'm not so sure it's scummy behaviour anymore either - since that would have been way too obvious. Right? Or is my councilumdar completely broken?

It would, however, have been nice if the first accusers could have substantiated their nominations a bit more elaborately. Which in turn would probably have helped loosen the lynchee's tongue as well. Just a notion.

Also, I'm still waiting for some proper action. Outbursts or something. Just gimme dramah! Anyone? It doesn't have to be as good as yesterday's public spat. Although, come to think of that, didn't that look a bit, oh I don't know, scripted!? Especially given the pretty much complete lack of fallout today... Then again, that's also how Kelly's suggestion looked when it just shot out of the blue today. "Let's all claim to the mermaid, she'll help us get to the bottom of it." - well let's try and get to the bottom of it then.

Vote: Kelly Lester (Kristel)

Oh, and - who the fork was Kelly trying to have Helen lynch anyway?

Speaking of action, there goes a day which was supposedly filled with alter-ego-claiming behind the curtains. What have we got? We got nowt (else). Has this hairdresser potentially found her long-forgotten Geordie roots? Probably not, just too much hair product.

[Scubacarrot]

Vote: Kelly Lester (Kristel)

I'm just going to say it so I can say I told you so later, vote to cover up/establish accusation against fellow scum while someone else is being lynched. (Hm, slightly decreases the chances of Bleeb being scum for me) Before I forget again, yesterday, you voted for me. And then... you were just gone. What's up with that?

It would, however, have been nice if the first accusers could have substantiated their nominations a bit more elaborately. Which in turn would probably have helped loosen the lynchee's tongue as well. Just a notion.

You've obviously never tried to get anything out of Bleeb.

Also, Sally said that the scum probably wanted to get Kingsley lynched, not that they were behind the lynch.

Meh, I see no noteworthy distinction.

[Peanuts]

Wasn't his behavior just as Scummy as the Town blocker in the last game?

I don't know, I must admit I didn't follow the last game.

Meh, I see no noteworthy distinction.

So, that's not what you said? Well, I meant Timothy actively tried to get peopel to lynch Kingsley, while Bleeb just walked by and voted. There's a distinction there. Not to say that scum wouldn't push for a power role. That's what Carl does, after all.

[Scubacarrot]

So, that's not what you said? Well, I meant Timothy actively tried to get peopel to lynch Kingsley, while Bleeb just walked by and voted. There's a distinction there. Not to say that scum wouldn't push for a power role. That's what Carl does, after all.

What I meant was that the scum wanted to lynch Kingsley, so they likely made it happen. Who technically made the lynch happen?

[Piratedave84]

SNIP

Speaking of action, there goes a day which was supposedly filled with alter-ego-claiming behind the curtains. What have we got? We got nowt (else). Has this hairdresser potentially found her long-forgotten Geordie roots? Probably not, just too much hair product.

I am getting worried about the lack of contribution from Derek today.

SNIP

You've obviously never tried to get anything out of Bleeb.

SNIP

LOL

he made a very good post on day one, it was actually pertinent and somewhat made sense!

[MetroiD]

I'm just going to say it so I can say I told you so later, vote to cover up/establish accusation against fellow scum while someone else is being lynched. (Hm, slightly decreases the chances of Bleeb being scum for me)

Wait, could we just get that straight? Sooo I’m a scummy councilor who has carefully devised an elaborate and devious plan to accuse in public and focus the suspicions on Kelly, a fellow scummy councilor, so that Bleep, an innocent Monster Townie, could be spared the lynch? Awwww, aren’t I the sweetest!

Or were you suggesting that I’m trying to cover Bleep’s *bleep* by focusing my vote on someone else instead? Or wait, are all three of us just scummy scumsters? Please at least take the time to make up your mind.

Before I forget again, yesterday, you voted for me. And then... you were just gone. What's up with that?

Please read up this time, so that I don't have to annoy everyone with the same story over and over? Synopsis: Your voting on Day One was well unfounded and instead just followed someone else’s lead. 2 times. As I’ve stated on numerous occasions – that, to me, constitutes scummy behaviour and I wouldn’t have changed my vote, even though that put me in a position where I could rightly be accused of diluting the vote by actually not going along with the proposed lynch victim on either occasion. Now, however, I’m more inclined to accept that you’re letting someone else do the thinking for you. I just hope you have good reason to trust them.

You've obviously never tried to get anything out of Bleeb.

Guilty as charged. Care to share what your attempts have led to then? I didn’t see that as part of your motivation for voting against him, and since I’m not privy to your personal conversations, all I’m left with is Bleeb’s comments in the day thread. Some of which actually make more sense than some of yours…

I’m not joining the Bleeb bandwagon. Yet. If you want to be of service to all the Monsters who are also in the dark, please help me make up my mind. Because as of right now, I don’t buy your explanation for the whole *snippity snip* thing.

[Hinckley]

Oh, and - who the fork was Kelly trying to have Helen lynch anyway?

Maybe!

while Bleeb just walked by and voted.

Isn't it distinctive that the "walk-by" vote was the hammer?

I am getting worried about the lack of contribution from Derek today.

Why?

he made a very good post on day one, it was actually pertinent and somewhat made sense!

Where?

Vote: Kelly Lester (Kristel)

Is this what I mentioned to several people by PM? Do I like this idea? Do I at least find it intriguing? Wasn't her attempt to get everyone to claim to her weird? Did she ask me why I'm trying to "characterize her as Scum" in private? Isn't she being weird?

Why does she want us to think the Scum will be killing her tonight? Or does she want us to think she believes that?

[Scubacarrot]

Wait, could we just get that straight? Sooo I’m a scummy councilor who has carefully devised an elaborate and devious plan to accuse in public and focus the suspicions on Kelly, a fellow scummy councilor, so that Bleep, an innocent Monster Townie, could be spared the lynch? Awwww, aren’t I the sweetest!

Or were you suggesting that I’m trying to cover Bleep’s *bleep* by focusing my vote on someone else instead? Or wait, are all three of us just scummy scumsters? Please at least take the time to make up your mind.

Heh, you seem to forget the obvious option, which it actually is, and where my comment enclosed in brackets actually makes sense. What I am suggesting is that you vote for Kelly, so that when either of you get caught, you get that to fall back to. It seems like a move to do that. I mean, it doesn't seem a call to action to lynch Kelly, if that's where you were going for. Which means something like: 'you're not going to vote for Kelly, I won't lynch her but I am going to vote like this anyway.' So there's got to be some other motive for that vote. Either it could be to draw out more conversation, or it is a scummy move which seemed smart at the time until I called you out on it. You seemingly purposefully walking around my meaning makes me think maybe I was right. Obviously, this move is possible if Bleeb was scum too, but unlikely, because if Bleeb is lynched, anyone that didn't vote for him would be under hightened observation, I'd say. (as well as the people late to the party.

Also, your second paragraph can easily be compiled in the sentence: "I had no reason to change my vote." No reason to be coarse about it. Which is fair enough, but you really just fell silent shortly after that vote. You didn't even comment on the Kingsley situation That strikes me as odd. Is that odd? Also you are here again with the "I won't join the bandwagon... YET!" That's a suspicious statement in itself I think, and you've said it twice.

Bleeb is suspicious because he voted for Kinglsey. Sealed the deal for that vote with 15 minutes remaining. Turns out Kingsley is actually the Town Blocker. Okay. Bleeb voted because he wanted to have a lynch. That's fair enough. But THEN he proceeds to shift blame for the lynch to others. That to me seems that that is suspicious. What is actually interesting, and you asking reminded me of that, thank you, is that I was just talking about Bleebb's last minute vote in private with some people. (and someone mentioned talking to someone else entirely about the same thing right then by coincidence) What's the chance one of those people is scum, telegraphed that in the scum PM or writeboard or whatever, causing Bleeb to activate the evasive maneuvers on his proverbial UFO? At least, I think I've got the timeline on that right.

When I said just talking, I obviously meant earlier today.

[DarthPotato]

I agree with the Bleeb vote. I can't really metagame a whole lot since I haven't played for a while, but I remember Bleeb not being the most active. The case is the same here, but his posts really seem different and more forced to me. While on the subject on his vote for Kingsley though, I can sort of understand that. In my opinion it would have been better than a no lynch and people were asking him to vote Kingsley anyway. I don't really see that as incriminating evidence against him. But his posts in general still have been iffy and, like I said, seem forced.

Vote: Bleeb (Bob)

[Kristel]

Would I be on the chopping block (more so than I am already) if I had yielded to the pressure that Helen and Timothy were placing on us to vote Kingsley at the end of Day 1? I chose not to yield because I didn't think that Kingsley was scum. But I understand that some people feel more strongly about getting a lynch on Day 1, so I can perfectly understand why Bleeb may have chosen to vote for Kingsley.

As a reminder:

Someone needs to hammer Kingsley the starfish.

Well, Kellie is here and she doesn't seem to think he's as Scummy as Caitie, though she hasn't voted for Caitie either.

Unless you want a no-lynch, a vote for Kingsley would be appreciated.

Sorry, I must have missed yours. This is embarrassing, I combed the the thread at least three times counting and recounting. Sorry!

Yep, no pressure here for anyone to nail the lynch on Kingsley ...

We (and by that I mean the collective town) are like lambs being led to the slaughter by Helen and Timmy.

Vote: Helen Inkling (Hinckley)

I'd be just as happy to vote for Timmy. Where is the sidekick today? He's gone all quiet. Maybe Helen sent in the hairdresser as a replacement. I'd be trying to keep Timmy quiet as well, given his role in Kingsley's lynch yesterday.

I believe that Helen is pretending to be cursed (or the scum cursed one of their own) to make Helen look like a townie. Helen told me about her curse at the start of the day. Presumably she also told others that she appears to be tight-knit with, like Timmy. Timmy felt a need to point it out in thread, even though he knew exactly what was going on. I believe this was designed purely to make sure that everyone was aware that Helen was cursed, and not just being annoying on purpose.

Regarding the investigator, I think that enough time has passed for a counter claim to arise. I've also done a little reading of history texts. In some cultures, fortune telling was considered on par with witchcraft, which was considered bad (if not necessarily monstrous). I don't need to confirm with history texts that witches were burnt at the stake.

I've been in discussion with Derek and am comfortable with his claim. I have no means to verify him, of course, but there is no reason not to believe him.

... so that when either of you get caught ...

If you vote me off today, the only thing you will have "caught" today is a vanilla townie. I am sure that the scum would prefer a power role, but c'est la vie.

Here's a thought to ponder to, just in case I don't make it through the night and Helen does. Who do you think would be a bigger threat to the scum? I'm pretty sure between me and her, I'd be taking her out first, and probably ahead of Caitie too.

[Peanuts]

Would I be on the chopping block (more so than I am already) if I had yielded to the pressure that Helen and Timothy were placing on us to vote Kingsley at the end of Day 1? I chose not to yield because I didn't think that Kingsley was scum. But I understand that some people feel more strongly about getting a lynch on Day 1, so I can perfectly understand why Bleeb may have chosen to vote for Kingsley.

As a reminder:

Yep, no pressure here for anyone to nail the lynch on Kingsley ...

We (and by that I mean the collective town) are like lambs being led to the slaughter by Helen and Timmy.

Vote: Helen Inkling (Hinckley)

I'd be just as happy to vote for Timmy. Where is the sidekick today? He's gone all quiet. Maybe Helen sent in the hairdresser as a replacement. I'd be trying to keep Timmy quiet as well, given his role in Kingsley's lynch yesterday.

I believe that Helen is pretending to be cursed (or the scum cursed one of their own) to make Helen look like a townie. Helen told me about her curse at the start of the day. Presumably she also told others that she appears to be tight-knit with, like Timmy. Timmy felt a need to point it out in thread, even though he knew exactly what was going on. I believe this was designed purely to make sure that everyone was aware that Helen was cursed, and not just being annoying on purpose.

Wow, Bleep has to be really important if the scum goes to such lengths to keep him alive for another night. Is he the converter or something?

Or this is just the weirdest townie move ever...either way, I'm not buying it. My vote stands where it is.

[Kristel]

Almost forgot to mention the most important thing ... Derek investigated me last night. I'm a Monster.

Helen knows this. She is the one who told me, before I confirmed it with Derek.

[DarthPotato]

I can confirm this. Although I think holding off longer on this would have been better, she did come up as a loyal monster.

[Peanuts]

Almost forgot to mention the most important thing ... Derek investigated me last night. I'm a Monster.

Helen knows this. She is the one who told me, before I confirmed it with Derek.

Damn. Guess that changes things.

Not that I believe your accusation, I still feel more comfortable with my vote where it is. Helen is not a cleared townie by any means, but your accusation doesn't hold enough weight to justify a conviction. She hasn't struck me as particularly anti-town so far

[Captain Nemo]

Would I be on the chopping block (more so than I am already) if I had yielded to the pressure that Helen and Timothy were placing on us to vote Kingsley at the end of Day 1? I chose not to yield because I didn't think that Kingsley was scum. But I understand that some people feel more strongly about getting a lynch on Day 1, so I can perfectly understand why Bleeb may have chosen to vote for Kingsley.

As a reminder:

Yep, no pressure here for anyone to nail the lynch on Kingsley ...

We (and by that I mean the collective town) are like lambs being led to the slaughter by Helen and Timmy.

I'd be just as happy to vote for Timmy. Where is the sidekick today? He's gone all quiet. Maybe Helen sent in the hairdresser as a replacement. I'd be trying to keep Timmy quiet as well, given his role in Kingsley's lynch yesterday.

I believe that Helen is pretending to be cursed (or the scum cursed one of their own) to make Helen look like a townie. Helen told me about her curse at the start of the day. Presumably she also told others that she appears to be tight-knit with, like Timmy. Timmy felt a need to point it out in thread, even though he knew exactly what was going on. I believe this was designed purely to make sure that everyone was aware that Helen was cursed, and not just being annoying on purpose.

Regarding the investigator, I think that enough time has passed for a counter claim to arise. I've also done a little reading of history texts. In some cultures, fortune telling was considered on par with witchcraft, which was considered bad (if not necessarily monstrous). I don't need to confirm with history texts that witches were burnt at the stake.

I've been in discussion with Derek and am comfortable with his claim. I have no means to verify him, of course, but there is no reason not to believe him.

If you vote me off today, the only thing you will have "caught" today is a vanilla townie. I am sure that the scum would prefer a power role, but c'est la vie.

Here's a thought to ponder to, just in case I don't make it through the night and Helen does. Who do you think would be a bigger threat to the scum? I'm pretty sure between me and her, I'd be taking her out first, and probably ahead of Caitie too.

Curse?! I think I remember one of these, and I think you do personally remember something like this happening in a past life if I remember correctly. Could you elaborate any more on what Helen said about this curse? I think it's a possiblity--either way, being a lie or an actual curse--things like this could happen with so many monsters about.

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Switching subjects, I'm late to the party on this (But it was a snow day and omelette day all in one, so I was busy), I would be willing to give my alter-ego to Derek--now seeing that it's both what the majority of the town was agreeing on, and the more important fact that we now have some confirmation on him actual being an investigator. His claim has some more substance, so I believe Derek now.

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Switching again to the vote. I'm not sure how this whole Bleeb thing bandwagoned up so fast, but there are a few reasons I'm iffy on him. First, in regards to the hammer vote, basically I'm calling BS as to that being an actual reason to vote against him--there were 10 people who voted for Kinsley; all of them clearly wanted him lynched because they voted for Kingsley, so blaming him personally for the death of Kingsley is kind of ridiculous (Ergo, it's a case of people upset that they voted out a townie and are picking one of their own to blame for it)--basically, it could have been anyone who was the hammer, and it all just depended on who was around when--I don't think that's a good reason to vote for him.

I do however think it is acceptable to vote for him for his reasons of shifting blame after the fact. I myself found this strange, like to cover his bum or something, but to be honest I'm not really sure what I think of Bleeb. He doesn't say much, and to be honest until now, he hasn't really pinged my radar. I think I'll place my vote on him for now, but it might change. I want to know more of this potential curse thing too.

Vote: Bleeb (Bob)

[jimmynick]

Oh, and - who the fork was Kelly trying to have Helen lynch anyway?

I wonder? And how did Helen respond?

I'm hardly shifting the blame or anything, I just pointed out that it was odd that Timothy was campaigning so very hard for the lynch of Kingsley. I do take responsibility for the lynch of Kingsley, I was the person that sealed the deal and I recognize that. I just saw this:

And thought that it was a bit odd that while I did seal the lynch, I wasn't the one that was campaigning so hard for his lynch. So I pointing out something that stuck out to me.

You're right. Timothy and Helen were pushing for the lynch, but you gave it to them. It's been gone over today while I was chopping heads, but it's got to be really easy for a scum to come in and hammer a lynch when two people are asking for it. And then you blamed Timothy when Kingsley showed up town, but I'm sure you knew that when you voted. To paraphrase you:

Can you say a massive misstep in communications? Silly human alien.

Vote: Bleeb (Bob)

[Bob]

I really don't understand this lynchwagon against me. Most of the vote accusations have been pretty much that I just tried to shift the blame on the vote for Kingsley yesterday. But I took credit for that. I'll say it again, I did support the lynch, but I didn't champion as hard for it.

I agree with the Bleeb vote. I can't really metagame a whole lot since I haven't played for a while, but I remember Bleeb not being the most active. The case is the same here, but his posts really seem different and more forced to me. While on the subject on his vote for Kingsley though, I can sort of understand that. In my opinion it would have been better than a no lynch and people were asking him to vote Kingsley anyway. I don't really see that as incriminating evidence against him. But his posts in general still have been iffy and, like I said, seem forced.

Vote: Bleeb (Bob)

Which posts? Where? How are they iffy and forced? This is the general explanation when you don't understand what the lynch is but you want to support it anyway. Can you provide some examples so I can explain them to you?

Wow, Bleep has to be really important if the scum goes to such lengths to keep him alive for another night. Is he the converter or something?

Or this is just the weirdest townie move ever...either way, I'm not buying it. My vote stands where it is.

According to Derek, she is a confirmed townie, so yes, most townies can see into the reason that this is a nonsensical lynch.

[Kristel]

Could you elaborate any more on what Helen said about this curse?

That she could only communicate in questions and answer questions with yes, no, and maybe.