Kristel Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 My feelings are irrelevant. If you truly believe that I am the Godfather, then you should vote me off. As I have said before, I am a vanilla Monster.
Mencot Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Yes. Sorry to disappoint you Helen and spoil the "joy that you found the one that have cursed you"
MetroiD Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 In light of recent events, I'll obviously have to Unvote: Kelly Lester (Kristel) I'm doing this because I want to trust our claimed cop. It's good to see that his work has supposedly led us somewhere, even though it also seems to show that my scumdar is totally off. Kelly has been pretty itchy for a mermaid, but at least now that we know what's been going on behind the scenes, her suggestions on how we should all claim to her makes much more sense. On the other hand - Bleeb seems fairly uninterested in actively defending himself, just like his accusers still don't seem to want to provide us with all the information they have on him. This could be a waiting game, but if that's the case, it doesn't seem like it's working; once again, we've got a bunch of inactive faces around. It could also be that Bleeb was precisely the one that Kelly and Helen discussed lynching in private. I still definitely don't feel comfortable about lynching him though... I was hoping we'd have much more information on him; instead, we get more information on Kelly and Helen... Which is not too bad, but for some weird reason, it feels to me as though the Day thread is playing out a bit like yesterday, with the catfight stealing the show.
Kristel Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 It could also be that Bleeb was precisely the one that Kelly and Helen discussed lynching in private. We did not discuss Bleeb.
Mencot Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 On the other hand - Bleeb seems fairly uninterested in actively defending himself, just like his accusers still don't seem to want to provide us with all the information they have on him. This could be a waiting game, but if that's the case, it doesn't seem like it's working; once again, we've got a bunch of inactive faces around. It could also be that Bleeb was precisely the one that Kelly and Helen discussed lynching in private. I still definitely don't feel comfortable about lynching him though... I was hoping we'd have much more information on him; instead, we get more information on Kelly and Helen... Which is not too bad, but for some weird reason, it feels to me as though the Day thread is playing out a bit like yesterday, with the catfight stealing the show. Second that, not saying it hasn´t been a blast to follow but it doesn´t really bring any much good. Especially if both of you are town, settle the fight because it gives the scum more time and ways to take us out. We need something freash and new to talk about to go on. you people talking in the shadows and are seemingly Loyal Monsters care to share and give us other loyal monsters something to work on. One that hasn´t comment much today is Dragonishki, only this one: I disagree with those saying that there were two PR lost yesterday. If we are going by the general idea of PR having not-quite-monster monster alter egos, then Caitie was definitley not a PR. If she was a PR, then that whole theory is out the door. With the scarecrow, I'd say that is a not-quite-monster monster and matches the pattern that Derek suggested and with no public counter-claim (as others have mentioned too) it all seems to fit, so I'm believing his claim. Why wasn't there another kill in the night though? Well there's of course no guarantee that every game has an SK and a vig or that they must kill every night. If they do exist maybe one was blocked, missed turning in his/her action, or just decided not to kill (usually that'd be a vig but i've seen it happen with sk before). I hope we haven't already lost our vig. You have anything else, for the current situation that could help? And Bleepy the alien overlord could join us again and give us a comment against the accusations against him!
Bob Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 It's really difficult to defend myself when the accusations against me are practically non-existent. As I told Helen, I'm a vanilla townie myself, so I suppose my loss won't hurt the town too much. However, before I go, I'd like to: Vote: Mikkatta / Mencot Her posts have been mostly nonsense, she's been metagaming far to much for my tastes, and she was extremely quick to claim that her role was the witch on Day One. I don't buy the "in my confusion I said something hasty" explanation. I don't know if she's the one throwing curses around, but I do know that she doesn't sit well with me.
Peanuts Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Switching subjects, I'm late to the party on this (But it was a snow day and omelette day all in one, so I was busy), I would be willing to give my alter-ego to Derek--now seeing that it's both what the majority of the town was agreeing on, and the more important fact that we now have some confirmation on him actual being an investigator. His claim has some more substance, so I believe Derek now. What made you change your opinion? In the bgeninning of the day you seemed intend on lynching derek, now you say you believe him. Did him claiming that he investigated Kelly really change your mind completely? I want to know more of this potential curse thing too. Why so? I remember my alter alter then ego could curse someone and my character was town. So it doesn´t mean it has to be a council member that has cursed helen (i actually like her better this way, don´t you think... she is more quiet WHHWHWAAA (just kidding Helen )) I don't see why a townie would curse her. It's really annoying and I can't imagine how it's supposed to help the town.
Piratedave84 Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 I'm really starting to feel uneasy about the Bleeb lynch, it seems too easy; unanimous lynches are rarely a good thing. When I told Helen that I intended to vote for Bleeb (beofre voting was open) I did not think it would gather that much steam this quick. I asked Derek and Helen in private but got nowhere, so I will ask here; Derek why did you opt to confirm Kelly via Helen, whos is not confirmed, rather than contact Kelly directly? I find your apporach to have been flawed, can you explain your logic? Does anyone else feel like we should test the investigation result?
Mencot Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 It's really difficult to defend myself when the accusations against me are practically non-existent. As I told Helen, I'm a vanilla townie myself, so I suppose my loss won't hurt the town too much. So you are not going to try and don´t have anything more to say than that. It is true that the accusations agains you are pretty small but there is some "thinking and pointers" in the way you ended the lynch agains the Starfish. SO you say it yourself, (I bolded it.) that you are completly USELESS to our monsters cause and to this game. Whaterver then you are scum or vanilla town. However, before I go, I'd like to: Vote: Mikkatta / Mencot Her posts have been mostly nonsense, she's been metagaming far to much for my tastes, and she was extremely quick to claim that her role was the witch on Day One. I don't buy the "in my confusion I said something hasty" explanation. I don't know if she's the one throwing curses around, but I do know that she doesn't sit well with me. Whoa, so you jump on one of the person that have NOT voted for you (Is this a game of the scumteam to get me look scum in towns eyes, when you turn up scum, you seemed to vote for a scummate?) "I don't buy the "in my confusion I said something hasty" explanation" When did I say something like that? I have stood behind my claim of witch and I still do. I have said public claiming is stupied, especially if you also say that you have an PR. I have to say Bleep (Bob), you are useless, before you say something (and that isn´t often) get your facts straight first. One last thing, goes with the above sentence. When you vote, get the name right... you can´t even vote right!!! My name is Mikatta
CMP Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Whoa, so you jump on one of the person that have NOT voted for you (Is this a game of the scumteam to get me look scum in towns eyes, when you turn up scum, you seemed to vote for a scummate?) Jeez, you're really jumping across the table for that wine.
Mencot Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 I don't see why a townie would curse her. It's really annoying and I can't imagine how it's supposed to help the town. In Minimal mafia were my alter alter ego cursed another townie, I actually though she was scum. Maybe the person that has cursed Helen thinks she is scum? Jeez, you're really jumping across the table for that wine. Yea and how is that? I am trying to understand his vote!
Piratedave84 Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 In Minimal mafia were my alter alter ego cursed another townie, I actually though she was scum. Maybe the person that has cursed Helen thinks she is scum? Yea and how is that? I am trying to understand his vote! Stop with the metagaming, it amounts to zero valid contribution; you're comparing hosts, games and behaviours and it litterally amounts to nothing. You are definitely causing confusion by saying those things. your lack of valid contributions and addiction to metagaming make me very uneasy about you.
Mencot Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 It is like he (Bleep) or atleast he is trying to make it look like he is desperately shooting out in every direction to see if something sticks! Stop with the metagaming, it amounts to zero valid contribution; you're comparing hosts, games and behaviours and it litterally amounts to nothing. You are definitely causing confusion by saying those things. your lack of valid contributions and addiction to metagaming make me very uneasy about you. If somebody asks, I answer! Sorry if it confused somebody
Peanuts Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 In Minimal mafia were my alter alter ego cursed another townie, I actually though she was scum. Maybe the person that has cursed Helen thinks she is scum? Still, how is that curse going to help us one bit? It's not that it made her more likely to slip up if she was scum, instead it would just give her a good excuse to keep a low profile if she wanted to.
jimmynick Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 It is like he (Bleep) or atleast he is trying to make it look like he is desperately shooting out in every direction to see if something sticks! It looks like you're doing that, too. (Is this a game of the scumteam to get me look scum in towns eyes, when you turn up scum, you seemed to vote for a scummate?) I'll drink to that. " Mwah?"
Mencot Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Still, how is that curse going to help us one bit? It's not that it made her more likely to slip up if she was scum, instead it would just give her a good excuse to keep a low profile if she wanted to. It doesn´t help us and I never said it does help us and we will have to ask why when we know the one who put it on her, right! It looks like you're doing that, too. " Mwah?" I would never be that desperate. And throwing fly kisses that isn´t really manly, I though you were an raw and corrupt monster... seems you are nothing more than a wimp in shining armor
LegoDad Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 I'm really starting to feel uneasy about the Bleeb lynch, it seems too easy; unanimous lynches are rarely a good thing. When I told Helen that I intended to vote for Bleeb (beofre voting was open) I did not think it would gather that much steam this quick. I asked Derek and Helen in private but got nowhere, so I will ask here; Derek why did you opt to confirm Kelly via Helen, whos is not confirmed, rather than contact Kelly directly? I find your apporach to have been flawed, can you explain your logic? Does anyone else feel like we should test the investigation result? Because everybody these days likes to claim everything to Helen. For good or for bad. It's not her fault, but in Helen's past life, everybody claiming to her probably single handedly sealed the game for the scum team. Something to think about when spouting off to those you can't 100% trust. In Minimal mafia were my alter alter ego cursed another townie, I actually though she was scum. Maybe the person that has cursed Helen thinks she is scum? Yea and how is that? I am trying to understand his vote! Why do you think that the person with the ability to curse is town? Maybe I'm off base, I can't think of a reason why the town would hold that ability.
Mencot Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Why do you think that the person with the ability to curse is town? Maybe I'm off base, I can't think of a reason why the town would hold that ability. I don´t know if he/she is, just said there is a possibility (as also Helen brought up but I promised above in my comment not to metagame and speak of other mafiagames)
Hinckley Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 It's really difficult to defend myself when the accusations against me are practically non-existent. Didn't you tell me in private that what you said about Sally was "a soft scumtell"? What did you mean by that? However, before I go, I'd like to: Vote: Mikkatta / Mencot Why not Sally? her suggestions on how we should all claim to her makes much more sense. It makes more sense? Do you notice that she was asking everyone to claim to her in the same breath she was casting doubt on the investigator that "verified" her? How does that make sense? Maybe I'm off base, I can't think of a reason why the town would hold that ability. Is it because it's been a Town Action in my games? And did Mikatta play one of my games and have that as a one-shot Action?
Mencot Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Is it because it's been a Town Action in my games? And did Mikatta play one of my games and have that as a one-shot Action? Yes
Bob Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 So you are not going to try and don´t have anything more to say than that. It is true that the accusations agains you are pretty small but there is some "thinking and pointers" in the way you ended the lynch agains the Starfish. SO you say it yourself, (I bolded it.) that you are completly USELESS to our monsters cause and to this game. Whaterver then you are scum or vanilla town. Whoa, so you jump on one of the person that have NOT voted for you (Is this a game of the scumteam to get me look scum in towns eyes, when you turn up scum, you seemed to vote for a scummate?) "I don't buy the "in my confusion I said something hasty" explanation" When did I say something like that? I have stood behind my claim of witch and I still do. I have said public claiming is stupied, especially if you also say that you have an PR. I have to say Bleep (Bob), you are useless, before you say something (and that isn´t often) get your facts straight first. One last thing, goes with the above sentence. When you vote, get the name right... you can´t even vote right!!! My name is Mikatta Talk about you not getting names right, my name is Bleeb. Plus, if we were going on the correct spelling of my name, a portion of the votes against me wouldn't count. Just because you haven't voted for me doesn't mean I still don't think you're a council member. Saying that makes me even more suspicious of you. Didn't you tell me in private that what you said about Sally was "a soft scumtell"? What did you mean by that? Why not Sally? I mean that it wasn't a super big scumtell, like some other things have been. When I said that Sally was supporting the lynch against a bunch of townies, I meant that she was targeting people like myself, Derek, and Kingsley. I know I'm town, and Derek has been "confirmed" as town even though I don't think he should be, and Kingsley was revealed as town. I suppose I shouldn't have said a lot, since there were only three. Also, I think Mikatta is scummier than Sally, but that's just my opinion.
Hinckley Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 How's the view from under that radar, Dragonishki and Tickles?
LegoDad Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Didn't you tell me in private that what you said about Sally was "a soft scumtell"? What did you mean by that? Why not Sally? It makes more sense? Do you notice that she was asking everyone to claim to her in the same breath she was casting doubt on the investigator that "verified" her? How does that make sense? Is it because it's been a Town Action in my games? And did Mikatta play one of my games and have that as a one-shot Action? Ok, if there's some history to this being possibly a town action, that works for me. It seemed like quite a leap of faith, that's all.
MetroiD Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 For starters, Stop with the metagaming. Seriously, please do. And I don't just mean Mikatta either! Personally, I don't feel the urge to read every single Mafia game that I've missed when participating in a new one. I understand why many of you are keen to draw conclusions from previous experience, but you have to ask yourselves whether it's even worth it!? Seasoned players won't behave the same way over a course of games; and looking for scumtells based on previous schemes and host arrangements is hardly more productive than looking for the actual scumsters based on their actions... There, now that I've got that off my chest, allow me to vent. Dear witch, considering how you've been accusing Bleeb of being useless, I see little to no use in your nervous contributions either. What we're all waiting / looking for here is substantial proof to lead us somewhere today. While it would be OK for people to throw around ideas and share their suspicions in public, it would be nice if voting would actually be substantiated with more than just vague (sometimes downright rude) accusations. And this is not the first time I've said that. Speaking of voting and throwing around ideas. I'm feeling increasingly uneasy about the Monarch's contribution, or lack thereof. Timothy seemed very much on edge towards the end of Day One and personally admitted to having counted and re-counted the thread on multiple occasions - just to secure a vote against someone whom we could not be sure was scum - what's more, someone who'd claimed to be a town PR. And today his vote seemed, on the contrary, ridiculously unsubstantiated. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you have to be 100% sure when lynching someone on Day 1 / 2 - but if you're not, you could at least opt to err on the safe side!? Even if Bleeb is a "useless" vanilla townie as he's been called earlier, every single Monster counts, remember? On to the topic of being 'confirmed' - how was Kelly confirmed "via Helen"? And why do we keep understanding about what's been going behind the scenes indirectly? We've already had claims on Day One, and pretty meaningful ones as well, and now we seem to be relying on the grapevine to understand about pretty much anything. Apparently, we need to push people to the edge in order to get anywhere.
Hinckley Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Ok, if there's some history to this being possibly a town action, that works for me. It seemed like quite a leap of faith, that's all. Could it be said that I agree with you, even though it was a Town Action in my games? Am I just saying that I understand what he is saying? Do I hate talking like this? Can't people phrase their questions for me as statements so I can answer them as questions? Is that too much to ask?
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