Mencot Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 But regarding that Peter and Melinda has something going on. We can see it from yesterdays posts between them in daythread and that they are talking in PMs also. I am going ahead, Now I want an clear answer from you Peter on this case, why did you so hard want to get rid of Derek? Vote: Peter Desmund (Piratedave1984) And Melinda what do you have on Peter, what is your thoughts about him?
jimmynick Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 I am going ahead, Now I want an clear answer from you Peter on this case, why did you so hard want to get rid of Derek? I've gone back to read this Peter-Mikatta thing, and I think "want to get rid of Derek" is a misrepresentation of the conversation. If we were to reveal our alter egos, the only person I would remotely 'trust' is the unconfirmed-but-not-counterclaimed cop; Dereck. Peter 'trusted' Derek more than anyone else at the start of yesterday. Later, when Kelly claimed she was investigated, Peter said: Does anyone else feel like we should test the investigation result? In fact, Mikatta, you "want to get rid of Derek" quite a bit in Day One, even after Derek claimed cop. I could not agree more. And the statement that Derek did when he said he only claimed in public because when he is gone the scum can´t try to claim "cop" because we know the truth. Good try and although 14 people or something near that had voted for you, it was a idiot move to do no matter what (my opinion) Not saying that Derek couldn´t be town but like said above I am not convinced. And he screwed up, he was pressured and did a bad call but it can be a scum-game... I really don't know where you're getting this Melinda-Peter-Derek thing. Could I say you "want to get rid" of Peter?
Mencot Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 In fact, Mikatta, you "want to get rid of Derek" quite a bit in Day One, even after Derek claimed cop. Back on day one in on point, yes I was but I wasn´t the only one that didn´t immidiately trust the claim. But when the real facts got out, I didn´t drive that lane any more. And ofcourse I wanna get rid of a scum. Don´t you Jeffrey want to get rid of the scums?
Mencot Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 Honks tickles horn "Honk Honk" I see you lurking again, don´t you actually have anything to say, ot even against the 2 voteing for you? What do you think about "Peter the avoid answering questions raised against oneself"?
MagPiesRUs Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 cleverly summarizing the day's happenings so they sound like new points, darling, What? What does that mean? How can you make a summary look like a new point? Either it's something that's already been said or it's not. Can you provide an example of this? I never heard back from Tickles after starting a conversation with him regarding alter-egos. You'd expect every Townie to try and gather as much information as possible behind the scenes as possible at this stage. Tickles didn't seem interested. Yes, you did tell me your alter ego, and I've kept it in mind. I'm not sure what else you were expecting me to say. I have no guarantee that you're a townie, so I'm not going to share my own information with you. This a gut feeling, but my strongest suspect at the moment would be Carl. Mainly because he has been so middle of the road and hasn't offered up anything new. Also, he failed to send his alter ego to Derek, despite claiming to trust Derek and saying that the plan to send alter egos to him was a good idea: Switching subjects, I'm late to the party on this (But it was a snow day and omelette day all in one, so I was busy), I would be willing to give my alter-ego to Derek--now seeing that it's both what the majority of the town was agreeing on, and the more important fact that we now have some confirmation on him actual being an investigator. His claim has some more substance, so I believe Derek now. (By the way, I'm not sure why the fact that Kelly claimed to be investigated confirmed to Carl that Derek was an investigator. Even if Derek was scum, of course he would claim to clear someone) But almost 24 hours later, he still hasn't sent anything to Derek: In fact, here's a list of everyone I don't have alter egos for yet: Clarissa Bleeb Jeffrey Carl Giovanni Lacey Dragonishki Sally I know for a fact some of these people said they trusted, so I don't see why they're holding off. (In addition, I find it interesting how quickly Clarissa, Jeffrey and Giovanni send Derek their alter egos once they're called out publicly. It doesn't look like they had any problems giving them up, but why didn't they do it sooner if they trusted him?) Then there's the fact that Lacey was lightly prodding Carl yesterday: I disagree, I think it potentially gives the scum the blueprint to winning the game. Yes, you could get a slip up, but you could also risk getting PR's killed. Obviously the risk is worth it to you, I'm on the fence about it right now. Carl, I will admit I haven't paid much attention to you, but your post when you voted for Bleeb seemed very nervous, when I read it at least. Don't sweat too much with that wig on, it's not a good look. This kind of thing comes across to me as scum pretending to attack one another. The accusations Lacey makes against Carl don't feel very serious to me, and seem like a perfect way for two scum to distance themselves from one another.
Scubacarrot Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 I just think Peter would have to be absurdly stupid to suggest so adamantly that we lynch Kristel to try and catch the potential Scum of Derek, who the Scum then killed. To cast doubt on Derek, he'd have to keep him around for that to pay off. Know what I mean? Your logic is slightly off, and I actually see Mikatta's points. Kelly WASN'T lynched. Think about that. Perhaps in that case they had a change of plans, why would the scum plan be solidified from the start?
Hinckley Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 Your logic is slightly off, and I actually see Mikatta's points. Kelly WASN'T lynched. Think about that. Perhaps in that case they had a change of plans, why would the scum plan be solidified from the start? Oh right. I forgot we weren't able to prove anything about Derek.
Scubacarrot Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 And I must admit to not seeing the case against Tickles. His faults are to be odd behaviour and not being very proactive. I prefer to lynch someone that is actually scummy. Someone like... Melinda. So, Melinda. Right now you're voting for someone that was found town by our now confirmed investigator. Which is... odd. Are you that convinced that Kelly HAS to be the godfather? Why? Are you so afraid of her? Do you hold that much value to something that Helen suggested once in one of her rigmarole sentences? I think the chance that she's actually a townie as investigated makes much more sense. What else have you been doing, Melinda? A useless vote against me on day 1, you talk about a lead that Derek has given us, but you don't do anything with it? You make numerous attempts to throw doubt on Mikatta... Who, dare I say it, would be considered an 'easy lynch' by some.. It's interesting that you did not vote on day 2. Why was that? What's more interesting is that yesterday you UNVOTED Kelly, BECAUSE she was investigated by our then only claimed cop. And the summarizing, god, the summarizing. I think there's a very good chance you're a scummy scum, Melinda. Vote: Melinda Dugan (MetroiD)
Hinckley Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 Kelly WASN'T lynched. Think about that. Perhaps in that case they had a change of plans, why would the scum plan be solidified from the start? Right now you're voting for someone that was found town by our now confirmed investigator. So, you're suggesting they're still trying to get Kelly lynched? Do you think we're up against a brain dead Scum team?
Scubacarrot Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 So because Melinda is voting for Kelly, that proves her to be town, because a scum would never vote in weird ways? Is that your logic?
Hinckley Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 So because Melinda is voting for Kelly, that proves her to be town, because a scum would never vote in weird ways? Is that your logic? You seem to be completely ignoring the reason he gave for voting for her. He seems to think he's holding her feet to the fire in some way. Maybe we should let Melinda clarify her weird statement.
Mencot Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 Maybe we should let Melinda clarify her weird statement. It would actually be great to hear some answer from her on this and Peter can also add to it, his mind because till now I, we haven´t got any answers to the questions. And i have seen Melinda lurking her without commenting, wait for peter to the rescue as you did yesterday? Also kelly you been around there awhile, will you give some more pointers to this all, how do you feel about what has been said and about the whole situation?
Scubacarrot Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 You seem to be completely ignoring the reason he gave for voting for her. He seems to think he's holding her feet to the fire in some way. Maybe we should let Melinda clarify her weird statement. Because she has or should share something. Uh huh. Not something I should not be ignoring. Why are you so defensive of Melinda, all of a sudden, Helen?
Kristel Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 I'm around, but haven't posted busy I've had a busy "morning" doing mermaid things and I need a nap. In the meantime, there were a couple of things that I did want to question / comment on. So my questions for you Peter and Melinda if you didn´t find them yet: why do you and Melinda agree on so many grounds (and also with scum Lacey) and what really were the reasons when you went for Kelly? Subtle. Basically, there are three options: 1. There's no thirds and our host is the king of inconsistency 2. The trickster is the third and its a shitty hooker role that only exists to piss everyone off 3. The zombie is the third party serial killer Not 3 - If the zombie is the SK, why did he/she no kill on night one? It might be to make it look like she's scum with Helen, which is stupid since Helen is obviously town. I'm curious why you know that Helen is obviously town. Carl, Dragonkiki and Giovanni; do you intend on participating in any of the discussions? I was going to ask why you left Tickles off this list, but I see he got a mention subsequently. Vote: Kelly Lester (Kristel) mainly because I think she has / should have something to share and this should serve as good incentive. You seem to be completely ignoring the reason he gave for voting for her. He seems to think he's holding her feet to the fire in some way. Maybe we should let Melinda clarify her weird statement. I'm also curious to know what Melinda seems to think I should be sharing.
Mencot Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 So my questions for you Peter and Melinda if you didn´t find them yet: why do you and Melinda agree on so many grounds (and also with scum Lacey) and what really were the reasons when you went for Kelly? Subtle. Kelly you know, that question wasn´t meant for you right? But when you now were so kind to comment on the question meant to Melinda and also Peter, why do you seem to defend them and seem when posting "Subtle." not wanna hear what they have to say?
Captain Nemo Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 This a gut feeling, but my strongest suspect at the moment would be Carl. Mainly because he has been so middle of the road and hasn't offered up anything new. Also, he failed to send his alter ego to Derek, despite claiming to trust Derek and saying that the plan to send alter egos to him was a good idea: (By the way, I'm not sure why the fact that Kelly claimed to be investigated confirmed to Carl that Derek was an investigator. Even if Derek was scum, of course he would claim to clear someone) But almost 24 hours later, he still hasn't sent anything to Derek: Then there's the fact that Lacey was lightly prodding Carl yesterday: This kind of thing comes across to me as scum pretending to attack one another. The accusations Lacey makes against Carl don't feel very serious to me, and seem like a perfect way for two scum to distance themselves from one another. Yeah I'll admit I've been a bit middle road. Although personally I think I've been more middle road while you've been way off in the ditch. On the Derek subject, I did in fact send him my alter ego--although late of course, since as I explained in my PM to him, I didn't realize that we were actually doing that then, rather I thought it was just talk within the town (Which didn't help when Kelly asked for the names, and everything went all over the place after that). Hello Derek/Darth Potato, I saw in the thread that you've not received my alter ego. I hadn't sent it until now, since I didn't realize the conversation on sending them to you was finalized, rather than just talk about it. Anywho, my alter ego is the monster: (Removed for obvious reasons). Hopefully this alter ego stuff will nail us a scum. Carl Nemoss To which Derek replyed a simple, Thank you! It was late yes, but I did in fact send in my alter-ego to Derek. On the investigation part with Kelly, I started to trust Derek since it was Kelly who claimed first, and Derek who confirmed. Apparently Helen also knew something about this through word of mouth too. Regardless, to me it's clear Derek was the investigator since his death showing both town and Fortune Teller prove two of this three claims (Town/Teller/Investigator)--ergo, from these two facts, I feel Derek was truthful about everything, including investigator, so Kelly must have been investigated town. [skipping over a chunk of your quote which I just disproved] As to Lacey? I don't know. Maybe she's jealous of my hair and good looks? I don't know why she's 'prodding' me, I cannot control other people's actions.
MagPiesRUs Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 Yeah I'll admit I've been a bit middle road. Although personally I think I've been more middle road while you've been way off in the ditch. On the Derek subject, I did in fact send him my alter ego--although late of course, since as I explained in my PM to him, I didn't realize that we were actually doing that then, rather I thought it was just talk within the town (Which didn't help when Kelly asked for the names, and everything went all over the place after that). Yes, I'm aware that you did send him a PM eventually. Derek confirmed that for us yesterday. My problem is that it took so long for you to do so after saying that you'd be willing to trust Derek with your alter ego. I suppose it's believable that you were waiting for a town consensus on the decision, but if you trusted him, I don't see why you wouldn't send it to him anyway. On the investigation part with Kelly, I started to trust Derek since it was Kelly who claimed first, and Derek who confirmed. Apparently Helen also knew something about this through word of mouth too. Regardless, to me it's clear Derek was the investigator since his death showing both town and Fortune Teller prove two of this three claims (Town/Teller/Investigator)--ergo, from these two facts, I feel Derek was truthful about everything, including investigator, so Kelly must have been investigated town. But anyone can PM someone else and say that they investigated them as town. That doesn't prove that somebody's a cop. A member of the council could do that just as easily as an actual investigator. Clearly Derek was the investigator, my problem with your story is that the investigation against Kelly in no way proved that Derek was the cop. It shouldn't have changed your mind about Derek. My thinking is that perhaps you used this as an excuse to explain why you now believed Derek - since you had gone after him the previous day and had already rejected the other reasons that Derek might be telling the truth.
Piratedave84 Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 But regarding that Peter and Melinda has something going on. We can see it from yesterdays posts between them in daythread and that they are talking in PMs also. I am going ahead, Now I want an clear answer from you Peter on this case, why did you so hard want to get rid of Derek? Vote: Peter Desmund (Piratedave1984) And Melinda what do you have on Peter, what is your thoughts about him? You really have a hard on for me, I'm flattered. I still don't get what you want me to say. I've been talking to Melinda in private, yes and we echanges ideas and expressed similar ideas in thread; what's the problem? You don't get my point; I was trying to get rid of Kristel whom was an alleged Vanilla Townie to try and confirm Derek. What? What does that mean? How can you make a summary look like a new point? Either it's something that's already been said or it's not. Can you provide an example of this? Yes, you did tell me your alter ego, and I've kept it in mind. I'm not sure what else you were expecting me to say. I have no guarantee that you're a townie, so I'm not going to share my own information with you. This a gut feeling, but my strongest suspect at the moment would be Carl. Mainly because he has been so middle of the road and hasn't offered up anything new. Also, he failed to send his alter ego to Derek, despite claiming to trust Derek and saying that the plan to send alter egos to him was a good idea: (By the way, I'm not sure why the fact that Kelly claimed to be investigated confirmed to Carl that Derek was an investigator. Even if Derek was scum, of course he would claim to clear someone) But almost 24 hours later, he still hasn't sent anything to Derek: (In addition, I find it interesting how quickly Clarissa, Jeffrey and Giovanni send Derek their alter egos once they're called out publicly. It doesn't look like they had any problems giving them up, but why didn't they do it sooner if they trusted him?) Then there's the fact that Lacey was lightly prodding Carl yesterday: This kind of thing comes across to me as scum pretending to attack one another. The accusations Lacey makes against Carl don't feel very serious to me, and seem like a perfect way for two scum to distance themselves from one another. Why are you deflecting suspicion? I accused you and you in turn accuse Carl ... Not a great defence Yeah I'll admit I've been a bit middle road. Although personally I think I've been more middle road while you've been way off in the ditch. On the Derek subject, I did in fact send him my alter ego--although late of course, since as I explained in my PM to him, I didn't realize that we were actually doing that then, rather I thought it was just talk within the town (Which didn't help when Kelly asked for the names, and everything went all over the place after that). Which you did not participate in because you are scum right? referring to 'town' like this makes you REALLY scummy, scummo.
MagPiesRUs Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 Why are you deflecting suspicion? I accused you and you in turn accuse Carl ... Not a great defence Well, I'm not sure what you expect me to say. I've explained why I didn't vote for Kingsley and Bleeb. I disagree that I have been summarising. You've told me to share my suspicions, and now that I have, I'm deflecting the blame? Are there any questions you'd still like me to answer?
Piratedave84 Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 Well, I'm not sure what you expect me to say. I've explained why I didn't vote for Kingsley and Bleeb. I disagree that I have been summarising. You've told me to share my suspicions, and now that I have, I'm deflecting the blame? Are there any questions you'd still like me to answer? Your general behaviour is off, you are very nonchalant about the situation and it makes me uneasy. It's hard to question you because you hardly contributed anything. What you are doing here seems like you are trying to put some distance between you and Carl so that when either one of you flips scum, the other would be 'cleared'.
Tamamono Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 I think I'm going to go out on a limb and go with Peter today. I've been keeping tabs on both Tickles and Carl (among a couple others), but I think the best choice today is Tickles. He's flown under the radar while still appearing wise and helpful - which is a 100% scum move. Vote: Tickles (TPRU) If we have no leads based on night actions, this is our best choice today. Not 3 - If the zombie is the SK, why did he/she no kill on night one? We don't know what the scum blocker was up to night 1...
Piratedave84 Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 Vote: Tickles (TinyPiesRUs) Such loquaciousness
Hinckley Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 unvote: Tickles the Clown (TinyPiesRUs) I have a claim I find dubious. I'm not going to give him a cute nickname and write a play but just do a list of bullet points. Let's call him/her Fiddle-Wumkins the widdle duckling. I would encourage Fiddle-Wumkins to answer my concerns in private. It would be really Scummy to jump in and reveal yourself. If I feel the concerns are answered, we can move on. If not, I'll reveal them. Here's my bulleted list. Day One Fiddle-Wumkins: Let's kill Derek! Me: I agree! A non-monster monster? That's a bunch of megablocks! Fiddle-Wumkins: I'm an adorable baby duckling! Me: I found another Power Role with a non-monster monster alter ego. Fiddle-Wumkins: Derek's probably still Scum. Day Two Fiddle-Wumkins: Derek is probably Scum. Me: I don't think he is. Fiddle-Wumkins: I don't trust you. This is my alter ego (whispers). Me: OK... Day Three Me: Derek's dead. I'm trying to piece together all the claims he received. What is your Night Action? Fiddle-Wumkins: Oh, I really don't want to claim to you! I'm the tracker. Me: OK, so who have you tracked? Fiddle-Wumkins: I tracked you on Night One and then Bog-Grog the Billy Goat on Night Two. Neither one of you does anything. Me: I find it weird that you were so suspicious of Derek and had the power to see if he was targeting who he said he did and never targeted him. Fiddle-Wumkins: I'm an adorable baby duck! Oh, I promised a bulleted list for those who hate the plays. Fiddle-Wumkins Claimed Tracker Voted for Derek Still didn't believe Derek's claim on Day Two Tried to undermine my confidence in Derek behind the scenes Never tracked Derek despite constantly claiming to suspect Derek was lying. Has made some odd contradictory statements regarding trust and Some other odd things that I can't mention without giving him/her away The best reason I can see for tracking me and Bog-Grog the Billy Goat was to see if we had Actions, so the Scum would know who to kill. Lynching this person would satisfy another question regarding claims in general. What does everyone think of this? Am I crazy or do I have a point?
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