Brethren of the Brick Seas?

[Kolonialbeamter]

I think it's a non-issue. It's already self regulated in a way. I have not seen a lot of magical pirate MOCs in the forum, so I don't think it will happen much in BoBS.

I could be wrong, since I have only been active again for the past couple of months.

Hehe, this might very well be. But why not think out loud a bit, see what ideas there are. And if you browse through the MOC index, there are some creations featuring krakens and such. Recently, Vitreolum's 'LeChuck's Revenge' featured the famous voodoo shack... The ideas are out there

[Lord Vladivus]

Ruling inhabitant of Nocti and member of the Rebel Alliance... That sort of points in a certain, rather 'free-spirited' direction

I'm probably leaning more towards redcoats/blue coats. I've got a few redcoat figs, but I've made a bluecoat fig that I quite like. Islanders never held much attraction for me, and I'm less sure on pirates- not got many of them. We shall see!

[Kolonialbeamter]

I'm probably leaning more towards redcoats/blue coats. I've made a bluecoat fig that I quite like.

Choosing the Blue side would definitely fit your '100% awesome' philosophy

Have you noticed how almost fatefully 'blue' rhymes with 'true'... so, 'The only True Side is the Blue Side' - should put that slogan up for registration somewhere...

[2maxwell]

2) Is this supposed to be a more fantasy pirate realm or a realistic pirate-like realm? Obviously we are not depicting actual locations like the Caribbean in the golden age of piracy, and we have imagined factions and what not, but how much fantasy are we allowing? GoH for instance can be seen as very fantasy castle, where there are all sorts of creatures running around the kingdoms. Should we assume there is some fantasy element to BoBs--like piratey fantasy; Mermaids, Krakens, tribal curses, etc.

I mean I'm imagining my own pirates as both very realistic in terms of their ship (for instance I'm building it to allow as much cargo as possible; to hold not just gold but food for the crew, etc.), but in contrast also fantastical in their appearance and actions.

Basically should we strive for storybook or documentary style? This is a question for anyone; it's more of a discussion really.

I think storybook is a good idea. Not fantasy in the over the top magic and races sense that modern and high fantasy have, but I do like sea monsters, mermaids, ghost ships. Like Kolonialbeamter, I think PotC is a good benchmark, since they explored traditional pirate lore without going too overboard. Not a fan of Davy Jones and his crustacean crew though.

I think it's a non-issue. It's already self regulated in a way. I have not seen a lot of magical pirate MOCs in the forum, so I don't think it will happen much in BoBS.

I could be wrong, since I have only been active again for the past couple of months.

We have had some sea monsters here, if I recall correctly. Which is perfectly fine, imo.

[Capt Wolf]

I am SO looking forward to this. I stumbled across some blue faction images on Brickshelf.

Someone should re-title this thread "Brethren of the Brick Seas".

[legoman19892]

I think it's a non-issue. It's already self regulated in a way. I have not seen a lot of magical pirate MOCs in the forum, so I don't think it will happen much in BoBS.

I think there could a compromise and have a voodoo type 'magic' that exists in the universe.

I'm all for mythical sea creatures.

[Sigolf Brimabane]

I think stuff like mermaids and Davy Jones and the Flying Dutchman should be allowed. But not people throwing fireballs or kamehameha and stuff. :)

[Mencot]

I think fantasy themed like "Potc" should maybe be allowed but without "Dave Jones and his seamonster freak" like characters.

But I would also be happy with a straightforwards, more realistic piracy vs soliders "epic story" line.

[2maxwell]

I think fantasy themed like "Potc" should maybe be allowed but without "Dave Jones and his seamonster freak" like characters.

But I would also be happy with a straightforwards, more realistic piracy vs soliders "epic story" line.

Same. Before long you'd have whole mocs full of chima figures. It's a slippery slope folks

Unless the moderators/faction leaders have already made a rule on this issue, maybe a poll would be a good idea?

[Lind Whisperer]

Same. Before long you'd have whole mocs full of chima figures. It's a slippery slope folks

I seriously doubt we'd see Chima figures in this. I get that you're using it for exaggeration, but even though they are fantastical, Davy Jones and his crew are still pirate themed. Chima - not so much.

Unless the moderators/faction leaders have already made a rule on this issue, maybe a poll would be a good idea?

Seconded. Edited March 18, 2015 by Lind Whisperer

[Capn Frank]

I seriously doubt we'd see Chima figures in this. I get that you're using it for exaggeration, but even though they are fantastical, Davy Jones and his crew are still pirate themed. Chima - not so much.

I guess I am questioning what difference there really is between a Chima pirate and a regular pirate. I guess it could be argued that a Chima pirate is stronger and tougher, but I bet they still die if they're sliced by a saber or shot with a cannon.

I don't have any Chima, but it could be pretty cool to have a Chima pirate crew.

A islander catamaran of Alligator men.

A pirate ship full of wolves.

[James Wellington]

I personally think we should keep voodoo, and chima out, but keep sea monsters and legends (like skeleton pirates, maybe) in.

[Mencot]

Unless the moderators/faction leaders have already made a rule on this issue, maybe a poll would be a good idea?

Agreed

I personally think we should keep voodoo, ....out,...

I am Okay (not ok-ey) with that but voodoo and spiritism was and is still a big thing for some people in the caribbean and other places.

So if there is going to be some natives and islander included in this, IMO somekind of voodoo would be Okay (not ok-ey).

[Captain Braunsfeld]

I don't have any Chima, but it could be pretty cool to have a Chima pirate crew.

A islander catamaran of Alligator men.

A pirate ship full of wolves.

... well... no.

[Capn Frank]

I am Okay (not ok-ey) with that but voodoo and spiritism was and is still a big thing for some people in the caribbean and other places.

So if there is going to be some natives and islander included in this, IMO somekind of voodoo would be Okay (not ok-ey).

I do like the idea of voodoo for islanders. It's in POTC.

... well... no.

[Capt Wolf]

I'm OK with sea monsters, like the kraken, and even voodoo islanders, but I wouldn't want those elements to be ever present. They have their niche. POTC is a good model for how far the extremes should go, but for the most part I just want a good quasi-historical setting. Definitely no Chima crews, although...

A pirate ship full of wolves.

... I'd fit right in with such a crew.

[Sigolf Brimabane]

But if I wanted to make MOCs inspired by Captain Claw, then?

[MstrOfPppts]

Interesting discussion, keep it coming, we need more opinions! I for one would go more into fantasy but far, far less than GoH. All PoTC fantasy is a must though I think it'd be fun to have some other races than humans too. I'd limit them to a specific number and skip Gungans and such ... It'd give the game more possibilities and variety and maybe some more crazy MOCs. We must get the historical colors out of your heads since this has nothing to do with british or french navy! I'd also skip the classic RvB rivalry though I understand that'd be impossible with you hardcore classic pirates fans. Yet this game will be about Corrington VS whatever the blue fraction is called so I'd skip the classic pirates banners too although they are cool. We have a blue and a red fraction because other colors for fitting uniforms don't exist in LEGO. For example GoH is succesfull but it's not about wolf packs vs dragons vs falcons. Ofcourse people use those insignias, but its all about Avalonia, Kaliphlin, Mitgardia and Nocturnus ...

[Mencot]

Interesting discussion, keep it coming, we need more opinions! I for one would go more into fantasy but far, far less than GoH. All PoTC fantasy is a must though I think it'd be fun to have some other races than humans too. I'd limit them to a specific number and skip Gungans and such ... It'd give the game more possibilities and variety and maybe some more crazy MOCs.

Yes, some crazy and fantasy is Okay (not ok-ey) but maybe start small and look how things advances. But this is up to the "leaders" and what they have come up with so far, lets wait and see.

We must get the historical colors out of your heads since this has nothing to do with british or french navy! I'd also skip the classic RvB rivalry though I understand that'd be impossible with you hardcore classic pirates fans. Yet this game will be about Corrington VS whatever the blue fraction is called so I'd skip the classic pirates banners too although they are cool. We have a blue and a red fraction because other colors for fitting uniforms don't exist in LEGO. For example GoH is succesfull but it's not about wolf packs vs dragons vs falcons. Ofcourse people use those insignias, but its all about Avalonia, Kaliphlin, Mitgardia and Nocturnus ...

Agreed, very true what you say. This is not gonna be Tournament of Retribution IV (hopefuly we will see that also but not part of this ) and before this is up and going some of us will need to accept that to make this work, and from there make it something of our "own" and make this special and awesome as GoH and SoNE.

[James Wellington]

I think some fantasy stuff could be okay, like sea monsters, skeleton pirates, but I disagree with having 'fish people' and chima pirates and some type of made up race and colonial aliens, etc. I also think that the Red vs Blue thing should not be overused, especially because there are also other factions, however, I think Red vs Blue ads a bit of a tradition, a hint Lego Pirates history here on Eurobricks. Eurobricks is certainly one of the main providers of the "Redcoats vs Bluecoats" thing, and we shouldn't just send it away. Factions don't always have to be fighting either, if they're hostile to each other, good, they can have battles, but they can also have silly quests where people only get slightly hurt or something. However, I am sort of a battle person, so I'll add a bit of everything into my freebuilds when this happens. I have a full battalion of redcoats, a Royal Navy to assist them, a handful of Bluecoats, a few Pirates and about 4-5 "Greencoats". And I have a fort mostly built, and I'm going to make a small town for this, and I can't wait!

[Sigolf Brimabane]

If Lego make a good cat's head, you won't be able to stop me from making Captain Claw (y). Or does a good head already exist? :D

Skeleton Pirates must exist!

[2maxwell]

If Lego make a good cat's head, you won't be able to stop me from making Captain Claw (y). Or does a good head already exist? :D

There is Tormak/Panthar, which has a black tiger head. So that would prolly work,

Assuming the faction leaders/organizers havent made a rule, it might not be a bad idea to play it by ear. Fantastical elements are cool for sure, but if every other moc becomes ghost ships and skeleton crews (which I doubt will ever happen), it might be worth addressing. Until then, we (myself included) might just be blowing it out of proportion in our heads haha.

Edited March 19, 2015 by 2maxwell

[Captain Braunsfeld]

I do like the idea of voodoo for islanders. It's in POTC.

Voodoo would be interesting. (Fitting into "Monkey Island" as well).

Otherwise I'd rather go for a ship full of monkeys than for a ship full of chimaish wolves.

[Dunedain]

I think when it comes to the fantasy element, things should be kept within the strictly "stereotypical" pirate fantasy elements. This would be skeleton pirates, ghost ships, voodoo type elements, and the typical sea monsters like Krackens and leviathans. The main story lines should be kept mostly within the red, blue, and green faction, pirates, and islanders/cannibals. I picture the factions being about 80 percent the storyline, and the fantasy elements only being 15 to 20 percent. This way the "bulk" will still be the historical element of red coats and blue coats, vs Pirates, and not all crazy farfetched fantasy stuff most of the time. Perhaps we could make it like maybe there is only 1 island in the realm, and on the map, that the fantasy stuff is allowed. Maybe like a haunted island, where if ships get to close they turn to ghost ships, or the island is inhabited by skeleton pirates. This would just be one small island on the "map" where the fantasy elements can come in play.

[Kolonialbeamter]

I'd limit them to a specific number and skip Gungans and such ... We must get the historical colors out of your heads since this has nothing to do with british or french navy! Yet this game will be about Corrington VS whatever the blue fraction is called. We have a blue and a red fraction because other colors for fitting uniforms don't exist in LEGO. For example GoH is succesfull but it's not about wolf packs vs dragons vs falcons. Of course people use those insignias, but its all about Avalonia, Kaliphlin, Mitgardia and Nocturnus ...

Hmm... why skip Gungans, they make a pretty decent stew ingredient, as Dr. Spock recently demonstrated.

And thanks for clearing this up!

Otherwise I'd rather go for a ship full of monkeys than for a ship full of chimaish wolves.

Somehow something tells me you will actually MOC this

Perhaps we could make it like maybe there is only 1 island in the realm, and on the map, that the fantasy stuff is allowed. Maybe like a haunted island, where if ships get to close they turn to ghost ships, or the island is inhabited by skeleton pirates. This would just be one small island on the "map" where the fantasy elements can come in play.

Interesting thought. Such an 'enchanted region' could be a limiter. After all, we are not talking about the spiritual middle ages here, the world of BoBS would be much more enlightened, imo. But beyond the sea, in the still unknown, all kinds of things could be happening. I just have a little trouble seeing a bunch of Chima based characters or whatnot regularly walking through the capital of Corrington. But it's all a matter of explaination.

Until then, we (myself included) might just be blowing it out of proportion in our heads haha.

That's the fun part of not knowing - wild speculation *grabs popcorn*

If Lego make a good cat's head, you won't be able to stop me from making Captain Claw.

Captain Claw being a cat better be not afraid of water... oh wait, this is intentional, since he and his bunch would be fighting even harder for not loosing their ship! Good thinking