legoman19892 Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 How about somewhere on the evil island could be the opposite of a fountain of youth. Where unsuspecting sailors wade thru a certain cursed waterway, and are stripped of their flesh, forever cursed to walk the island as a skeleton pirate. The fountain of doom, and the only cure could be a drink of the water from the fountain of youth, to restore them to life. We could have side stories where perhaps buried on the island is a special map or key, that could lead to a treasure located somewhere else in the realm, thus making a crew have to brave the island. I also think that there should be unchartered or unclaimed, neutral islands or lands in the realm and on the map. This would give the imperial factions missions to discover, conquer, colonize these areas. The colors on the map of these areas could be constantly changing from red to blue to green to black, and back again. Each Imperial faction should have its "home" land, but there should be whole areas of contested lands that are up for grabs. Will the Pirates rule here, or perhaps the Redcoats, or maybe an uneasy alliance of Red and Blue to keep out the Pirates. Really the sky is the limit, but by having certain areas with "undefined" borders or areas up for grabs, this gives way to tons of possibilities, and will make it a realistic environment for colonial powers and pirates to strive for. I think an ever changing map of red, blue,green, etc. will be awesome, and give a reason to conquer! I think that goes to far. In the actual playing universe it may be best to stick to the voodoo type religions that actually existed. From my quick wiki searh not much happens except for the dolls and maybe spells. In BotBS, I think it would be okay to include those but present outcomes in a fashion that is ambiguous. Was the reason the pirate died because of the voodoo doll or not? who knows? It might be fun to include searches for fountains of youth since people actually looked for them in the past. Also, we should have a category called Lore Builds. That way we could giant giant squid vs chutulu battles out of our system. Quote
Dunedain Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 Well, its either we are going to include FANTASY elements or we are not. If you want to be completely historically accurate and just use "voodoo", then you cant also have a giant squid fighting a made up monster/creature, like chutulu. Also, if you just want to use voodoo as your "fantasy" element, then wheres the FANTASY? Just a bunch, or certain groups of people basically practicing a type of religion. The most fantastic one would get would be bleeding out chickens, spitting out alcohol, and maybe feeling a pin prick from a doll, but NO Chutulu. Its either we have fantasy, or we don't. Quote
legoman19892 Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 Well, its either we are going to include FANTASY elements or we are not. If you want to be completely historically accurate and just use "voodoo", then you cant also have a giant squid fighting a made up monster/creature, like chutulu. Also, if you just want to use voodoo as your "fantasy" element, then wheres the FANTASY? Just a bunch, or certain groups of people basically practicing a type of religion. The most fantastic one would get would be bleeding out chickens, spitting out alcohol, and maybe feeling a pin prick from a doll, but NO Chutulu. Its either we have fantasy, or we don't. They don't depend on each other so I dont understand why they can either both exist or not exist. One can exist and make sense without the other. Quote
kaiju Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 (edited) The new(ish) guy here has a few things to add to the fantastic vs.historical discussion. The first, and most petty, is that BotBS is the reason I de-lurked and registered to post, but I'd be a lot less enthusiastic about it if fantasy elements were ruled out. Secondly, popular media of the last few decades has created a surprisingly rich line of "fantasy-enfused pirate" fiction that there is clearly something of a demand for and that isn't particularly suited for GoH. In the interests of openness and attractiveness to new members I'd recommend allowing traditional nautical fantasy elements: mermaids, sea monsters, ghost ships, etc. And preferably not cordoned off and isolated in one small area of the map. I wouldn't make them a full faction, but having fantastical elements as an option for freebuilds or something that can add a bit of flavour to another build should be allowed. Finally, having such elements could lead to interesting ideas for the other factions. I can imagine the Redcoats, from their write-up a few pages back, having two branches of "monster hunter", one dedicated to researching and classifying the supernatural to fit it into a scientifically acceptable model of the world, the other wanting rid of them as insults to science or to make the world make sense. Edited March 23, 2015 by kaiju Quote
Maxim I Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 yeeeeey!!! I like how it is developping!! Great job future leaders and vice-leaders!! Although I got a nice army red-coats and also some blue-coats, I will go for the Greencoats (sorry Sebeus, I know you want me to join the bluecoats :D ) :) About the fantasy stuff: Like in GoH, I don't mind fantasy creatures. Even magic is no problem for me in GoH. The only restriction I have is that the fantasy elements may not overpower the real life. A bit more explained: - Huray for a ship full of skeletons as long as they can be beaten (for example through fire). - Huray for a magic legendary staff or sword, but that sword will not be able to whipe out my fleet or even a vessel... - Huray for a gigantic seamonster (which I really support, as many sailors back then believed in seamonsters and blablabla). But someones seamonster can not attack the vleet of a player here... Quote
Maxim I Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Sorry for the double post, but I played a bith with ppt: ESLANDOLA by Maxim I, on Flickr let me know what you think :) Quote
Captain Nemo Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Lovely banner image. Banners like these would look great above a BoBS forum. I do think it might be better to make it more Lego-like though--like swapping out the realistic crown and coins for a Lego crown shape and lego coins. I think that would give it a more classic feel and it would blend well with the Redcoat and Bluecoat flags that I'm sure people will use. -- As for me, I'm sure now that I'm siding with the Pirate faction! Nothing beats freedom on the seas; taking what you want, doing what you will--none of that colony crap for me! Kingly taxes are for chumps! My crew will sail the seas under many flags and have fun doing so. Now I just need an arch-enemy faction--it's good to be a pirate with enemies! Quote
Kolonialbeamter Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Beautiful work! Thank you for making this excellent banner If you incorporated Captain Nemo's suggestions (Lego pieces) and gave it another shot, that'd be splendid! And in that same style maybe even for the other factions? It might convince someone... Best regards, KB Quote
Sebeus I Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Sorry for the double post, but I played a bith with ppt: ESLANDOLA by Maxim I, on Flickr let me know what you think :) Nice! Banners like that we can use Quote
Captain Braunsfeld Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Sorry for the double post, but I played a bith with ppt: ESLANDOLA by Maxim I, on Flickr let me know what you think :) Absolutely fine to get started. I think the main challenge is to get started - many things can be improved over time once we get rolling. Quote
James Wellington Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 Absolutely fine to get started. I think the main challenge is to get started - many things can be improved over time once we get rolling. I agree. We just need to take all these ideas from everyone as possible, and shove it into the bigger idea-The Brethren of Brick Seas. We have some things laid down, we just need to generate and take all of the ideas, set them down, and smoothen it out as we go. Quote
Commander Beltar Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 I've been watching this topic for a long while, and I certainly like the idea. There are a lot of good ideas floating around this thread. Perhaps start the actual main wip info thread, then have one poster per member to give their suggestions and only suggestions in the comments? Then the mods can review some of them when they can and see if the idea can or can't be added to it. And if there are islanders when it launches...count me in for sure! ~Beltar Quote
Maxim I Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) I alrdady know how my soldiers will look like :D Portuguese Soldier Idea by CamoflaugeLego, on Flickr Design by CamoflaugeLego For Eslandola! Edited March 26, 2015 by Maxim I Quote
Captain Braunsfeld Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 I alrdady know how my soldiers will look like :D Portuguese Soldier Idea by CamoflaugeLego, on Flickr Design by CamoflaugeLego For Eslandola! A bit sloppy or casual in his uniform - but ok! Quote
Kwatchi Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 I alrdady know how my soldiers will look like :D Portuguese Soldier Idea by CamoflaugeLego, on Flickr Design by CamoflaugeLego For Eslandola! I like it. Eslandola was always going to suffer a bit from the lack of a true solider print, but I think that one captures a good look. Question: Is the bayonet an after-market piece or is it constructed out of existing bricks? Or is it possibly Playmobil? Finding decent bayonets is the one of my little side projects on the go. Quote
2maxwell Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) I like it. Eslandola was always going to suffer a bit from the lack of a true solider print, but I think that one captures a good look. One option is the Russian (?) torso from the Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull line. It doesnt have the right "feel" necessarily, but many nations were experimenting with single breasted jackets in the latter half of the Napoleonic Wars. It was quite common as an undress uniform for French and American officers, as well as for American and Portuguese infantry. Privates in some regiments, such as the King's German Legion, wore a uniform almost exactly like the one above. Edited March 27, 2015 by 2maxwell Quote
Captain Braunsfeld Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 I believe it's from bricksarms. I think so too. One option is the Russian (?) torso from the Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull line. It doesnt have the right "feel" necessarily, but many nations were experimenting with single breasted jackets in the latter half of the Napoleonic Wars. It was quite common as an undress uniform for French and American officers, as well as for American and Portuguese infantry. Privates in some regiments, such as the King's German Legion, wore a uniform almost exactly like the one above. Interesting idea to use that torso (with yellow hands of course). I have not considered it before (thinking it was too modern). Quote
Kolonialbeamter Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 I alrdady know how my soldiers will look like :D Portuguese Soldier Idea by CamoflaugeLego, on Flickr Design by CamoflaugeLego For Eslandola! I think that torso would better work for a less well equiped militia trooper. Or a battle hardened veteran with an attitude... but for this he just seems a tad too nice. One option is the Russian (?) torso from the Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull line. It doesnt have the right "feel" necessarily, but many nations were experimenting with single breasted jackets in the latter half of the Napoleonic Wars. It was quite common as an undress uniform for French and American officers, as well as for American and Portuguese infantry. Privates in some regiments, such as the King's German Legion, wore a uniform almost exactly like the one above. Interesting. For myself I had ruled this one out, 'cause of the 'star' belt, but I'm looking forward to what you come up with! And thanks for the link! (with yellow hands of course) You aren't playing the race card, are you?! Feel free to use whatever you want! Oh, and don't get too fixed on 'just greens'. If this is going to be anything like GoH, I doubt Eslandolia will be 'Greencoatia'. There's a lot of useful torsos out there, consider as well a touch of, say, dark red, brown, gold, dark bley and such. Quote
SkaForHire Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 Man this thread took off while I was away... In fact, what if as contests are held, the winners of these contests, like best MOC or best mini-figures, get to color an area on the map for their faction. In other words, if the winner of the latest contest is a bluecoat, then the area in contention goes to the blue empire. If a bunch of bluecoat faction members keep winning contests, well guess what, the map is gonna start to look bluer and bluer. This will drive the other factions into "action", creating bigger and better MOCS to "win" ther lands back, and color the map their factions colors. If the latest and best MOCers are Pirates, well guess what, there is gonna be a lot of black shading on the map. This gives a reason to enter and build better, and creates a game within a game. That has been in the game mechanic for a long time now -- See GOH for the test of a conquering mechanism (just not as intense) The final game mechanic for BoBS will benefit from the GoH Chal 4 run. About that 'one island only'... I'd rather go with a concentric circle idea, the further away from the beacons of civilization, the more unknown and mythical. Works both for islands and sea regions. One island might not carry all the storylines possible. And after all, who has sailed all the seas knowing there wouldn't be other, even stranger realms far far away I agree here, and I assume MOPS does too, as he is leadership's main advocate for magic / supernatural in the project (I support what he wants to do) A general note about good social responsibility in works of fantasy which we should observe here: And although the distinction between "civilized" and "uncivilized" was inherent to the imperial/colonial period, I think we ought to be aware of the ugly history of that in our work. This doesn't mean avoiding issues like slavery, genocide, and othering in the imperial/colonial context, but it does mean taking some responsibility for portrayal or reference without condoning or promoting. I think this is probably an issue that's been discussed sometime in the development of GoH, but I think it's very important to remember it since our current era is very much still recovering from and reconciling with the uglier parts of this chapter of history. Agreed. I personally am a little put off by the idea of writing in the slave trade -- i know it is historically important to our world, but I am not sure we HAVE to have it in BoBS. But I defer to what the populace wants. Absolutely fine to get started. I think the main challenge is to get started - many things can be improved over time once we get rolling. I agree. We just need to take all these ideas from everyone as possible, and shove it into the bigger idea-The Brethren of Brick Seas. We have some things laid down, we just need to generate and take all of the ideas, set them down, and smoothen it out as we go. There are actually A LOT of things laid down, ask some of the new leaders about how much is in that forum. Quote
Capn Frank Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 One option is the Russian (?) torso from the Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull line. I was playing around with some alternatives with that torso. I feel like the collar needs to be covered by the frilly neck thingys. I like the dark green and black pants much better than the sand green ones. White looked terrible, so I didn't even post a picture. Quote
James Wellington Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 I was playing around with some alternatives with that torso. I feel like the collar needs to be covered by the frilly neck thingys. I like the dark green and black pants much better than the sand green ones. White looked terrible, so I didn't even post a picture. It looks "okay" to me. I personally don't 100% like it, but I guess it could work if you/someone had nothing else or no green torsos. Hmm.. Quote
Capn Frank Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 It looks "okay" to me. I personally don't 100% like it, but I guess it could work if you/someone had nothing else or no green torsos. Hmm.. They definitely could be hanging out in the background too as extra greenies in the background. My favorite greenies are these guys though: Quote
Kolonialbeamter Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 Thanks for the pics, Phred It seems finding outfits for the greens is lifting peoples creativity to unprecedented heights. Keep 'em coming! Might also be worth trying to use differently colored arms and hands (greens, brown, greys, gold) along with rather neutraly shaded torsos. Oh, that last 'Greeny' is my fav also. Quote
Matthias Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 It looks "okay" to me. I personally don't 100% like it, but I guess it could work if you/someone had nothing else or no green torsos. Hmm.. I think it would look much better with brown tricons. Quote
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