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Good points, I guess, if you think LEGO should focus strongly on the human (minifig) type elements. Personally, I think it is already too heavily focussed on the little LEGO people and how they are little plastic representations of either human characters or real life humans - it's a construction toy and the minifig is specialised, allowing far less deconstruction and reconstruction than a combination of other bricks. So, though I agree it is fair to display a range of people as they really are, if LEGO is trying to accurately display people, I do not think LEGO should try and accurately display people, they should just include human construction elements in sets that are about general construction related ideas more than anything specifically human.

Yes, even ignoring skin colour, there are many types of people; tall, short, thin, fat, children, ... they all get the same torso. It used to be that the figures were just characters to exist in the builds. Now it seems that everyone has to have a character that they can identify with or they complain about the lack of it.

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Cyrus Borg comes to my mind in that case, although the show didn't clear say something about his disability and no traditional wheelchair was used. Some other pirates or criminals that use artificial arms are all the same case (unrealistic technology, fairytale or folks). This leaves the last realm of ordinary City people.

In LEGO world it would eventually crash in two conditions, one is a possible licensed key character that needs definite accuracy, the other is the minidolls system which was meant to be more accurate than minifigrues. Though I think we haven't met big problems in both cases.

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Well, even if we put aside representational issues, the wheelchair ramp project I linked to remains a LEGO Ideas project - it's something that the project creator and others want to see released as a set, and thousands of people have voted for it. If it gets 10,000 votes it'll be evaluated for its potential as a commercial project, and it obviously has some, since people have voted for it and it continues to accrue votes.

The fact is, there are people in wheelchairs; they do exist. LEGO sets portray many fanciful things, such as Ghostbusters, time travelers, events that took place in a longago faraway galaxy or Middle-Earth or whatever, but they also portray regular, ordinary, day-to-day life - cars, trucks, buses, schools, cops, firefighters, scientists, teachers, shoppers, business people, etc. People with disabilities do exist in day-to-day life, as do accommodations for them. There's no reason to avoid representing them in LEGO sets when virtually everything else that exists in the universe (and an awful lot that doesn't) is fair game.

If some folks here don't get the appeal of such sets, like Sven F here...

(wheelchair ramp? really?? why? )
... then they don't have to support them, but there's no reason to object to others posting them or supporting them. If you don't want it, then just don't vote for it, and don't buy it if it gets made, but there's no need to act like nobody else could possibly have a reason for wanting it. The one I specifically linked to might not yet have anywhere near the votes it needs, but it does have several thousand, so obviously some folks want it.

(Incidentally, the reason I linked to that Accessibility Set project in the first place was nothing to do with what the project is about; it was about the bent lever shown on the wheelchair in one of the pics, and whether something like that would now be considered a part modification.)

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I'm in a wheelchair. I voted for the Ideas project- one set would be interesting- But I have no desire to have a token wheelchair minifig included in all big sets or anything like that- it really doesn't matter to me when I'm playing/building how much or little the minifigs represent me.

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(Incidentally, the reason I linked to that Accessibility Set project in the first place was nothing to do with what the project is about; it was about the bent lever shown on the wheelchair in one of the pics, and whether something like that would now be considered a part modification.)

In this specific case I would judge the bent lever is a non issue. Some pictures show it bent, others show it as a normal straight lever piece, which looks more than acceptable. The bent lever is not an integral component of the design, and was just a cosmetic bit on probably an early build. The project does not require a modified part, nor is it really falsely presenting itself.

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There's a new update to the LEGO Ideas Guidelines and House Rules today. Most of the changes appear to be minor tweaks and revisions for clarification.

The most substantial one (in theory, albeit not so much in practice), to me, appears to be the new stipulation that project images must show a construction of LEGO bricks (albeit either real, physical bricks, or virtual ones in LDD). Before now, it was acceptable to simply show any image of the thing you wanted a set of, be it a drawing, a photo of a real-world object, whatever; even though it would be a proposal for a LEGO model set, the proposal image wouldn't have to show any LEGO bricks at all. Now it does. Of course, the overwhelming majority of projects there do actually show LEGO constructions anyway, and the few that don't appear to have little success at gathering votes, but now actual LEGO construction is an official requirement, not just a de facto one.

I could have sworn that they added that policy awhile back? Oh well if it hasn't been official before better that they do so now.

Yes, indeed - there aren't all that many such projects (ones that don't show any kind of LEGO construction at all in their images), and the few that are there don't seem to get many votes, but they do exist. I just came across this old one this morning while browsing through the site.

Now that they're no longer accepting projects without images of brick-built creations, they'll turn up even less frequently, and within a year all the existing ones will expire, but they're there.

(The comments on that one I linked to are amusing - every single one is about the fact the project just has photos of the real house, with not one pic of a LEGO version.)

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I have submitted my magic shop from Buffy the Vampire Slayer but they didn't accept it because “it refers to a brand or licensed property that doesn’t fit the LEGO Group’s standards for appropriate content or themes. […] We’re afraid that LEGO Ideas cannot accept a project submission based on this brand or licensed property. :pir_bawling:

Maybe because it can't coexist with Monsters Fighters or the Halloween themed Minifigures Series 14. Well, I tried at least. :wink:

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I have submitted my magic shop from Buffy the Vampire Slayer but they didn't accept it because “it refers to a brand or licensed property that doesn’t fit the LEGO Group’s standards for appropriate content or themes. […] We’re afraid that LEGO Ideas cannot accept a project submission based on this brand or licensed property. :pir_bawling:

Maybe because it can't coexist with Monsters Fighters or the Halloween themed Minifigures Series 14. Well, I tried at least. :wink:

I suspect that they will likely shy away from anything sourced from live action horror, that is getting much past the era of the Universal Monsters.

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I suspect that they will likely shy away from anything sourced from live action horror, that is getting much past the era of the Universal Monsters.

You recon you'd get away with a Lovecratian beastie, considering it predates Universal Monsters :D

I do think (not just with Ideas) there is some hypocrisy with themes that suit the LEGO brand. Raiders of the Lost Arc was pretty violent, more than most older War films, yet I doubt TLG would approve a Great Escape set. Jaws finds itself on greatest horror movie lists, along with Exorcist and Alien, all of the time - though I cant see anything other than Jaws being a LEGO set. James Bond is not appropriate but LEGO Agents are fine. The old Dino Attacks sets had full on Vietnam vets shooting at dinos from Russian looking helicopters, though I don't recon you get very far with a hunting themed set idea. I read somewhere that TLG doesn't want sets to show any direct, violent conflict - which kind of cancels out the box art for most of the Star Wars sets :D

It all seems very arbitrary to me.

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You recon you'd get away with a Lovecratian beastie, considering it predates Universal Monsters :D

I do think (not just with Ideas) there is some hypocrisy with themes that suit the LEGO brand. Raiders of the Lost Arc was pretty violent, more than most older War films, yet I doubt TLG would approve a Great Escape set. Jaws finds itself on greatest horror movie lists, along with Exorcist and Alien, all of the time - though I cant see anything other than Jaws being a LEGO set. James Bond is not appropriate but LEGO Agents are fine. The old Dino Attacks sets had full on Vietnam vets shooting at dinos from Russian looking helicopters, though I don't recon you get very far with a hunting themed set idea. I read somewhere that TLG doesn't want sets to show any direct, violent conflict - which kind of cancels out the box art for most of the Star Wars sets :D

It all seems very arbitrary to me.

It's direct REAL WORLD violence. So Modern era violence is what is prohibited. Not conflict. lego does not want violent play that can resemble what the unfortunate child might see outside their window. As a result source and context matters a great deal. It isn't just does it have violence or horror, but what is the context. Live action modern portrayals of such are far far different than a cartoon fantasy. Indiana Jones gets away with it because it is principally an action adventure. Jaws does not because it is first and foremost a horror with the added caveat of harm to real world animals. This is all why Stormtroopers can carry Lego Blasters,must City Police just get handcuffs and a radio. Lego recognizes the need and benefit of conflict driven play. They just don't want the conflict to be too real or recognizable.

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It's direct REAL WORLD violence. So Modern era violence is what is prohibited. Not conflict. lego does not want violent play that can resemble what the unfortunate child might see outside their window. As a result source and context matters a great deal. It isn't just does it have violence or horror, but what is the context. Live action modern portrayals of such are far far different than a cartoon fantasy. Indiana Jones gets away with it because it is principally an action adventure. Jaws does not because it is first and foremost a horror with the added caveat of harm to real world animals. This is all why Stormtroopers can carry Lego Blasters,must City Police just get handcuffs and a radio. Lego recognizes the need and benefit of conflict driven play. They just don't want the conflict to be too real or recognizable.

And yet someone had a Mass Effect Ideas project refused - when that universe is very fantastical and on par with Star Wars.

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And yet someone had a Mass Effect Ideas project refused - when that universe is very fantastical and on par with Star Wars.

Mass Effect has an ESRB rating of "M", though, for "Blood, Language, Partial Nudity, Sexual Themes, Violence", whereas nearly all Star Wars material has (the equivalent of) an MPAA rating of "PG" or something "softer", and Star Wars is generally considered a family-friendly franchise. Mass Effect is not.

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And yet someone had a Mass Effect Ideas project refused - when that universe is very fantastical and on par with Star Wars.

ideas has a blanket ban on FPS, TPS and MOBA Video Game projects and properties.,(First Person Shooters, Third Person "over the shoulder" shooters and Massive Online Battle Arenas). Mass Effect is a TPS.

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Mass Effect has an ESRB rating of "M", though, for "Blood, Language, Partial Nudity, Sexual Themes, Violence", whereas nearly all Star Wars material has (the equivalent of) an MPAA rating of "PG" or something "softer", and Star Wars is generally considered a family-friendly franchise. Mass Effect is not.

Sex is family friendly - families couldn't exist without it :D

ideas has a blanket ban on FPS, TPS and MOBA Video Game projects and properties.,(First Person Shooters, Third Person "over the shoulder" shooters and Massive Online Battle Arenas). Mass Effect is a TPS.

Tomb Raider and Uncharted? More shooters, jumpers or adventures? At some stage someone makes a call that is not precise and has some arbitrary elements.

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I have a question. I read somewhere that presenting your Lego Ideas project is not allowed on Eurobricks. Where can I present my idea, to gather interest and get it noticed? Is this a norm for forums to not allow users to "sell" their creation so they can get some votes? Because I remember seeing some Cuusoo creations on Eurobricks before, but I have never seen a single Lego Ideas creation pitch yet.

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I have a question. I read somewhere that presenting your Lego Ideas project is not allowed on Eurobricks. Where can I present my idea, to gather interest and get it noticed? Is this a norm for forums to not allow users to "sell" their creation so they can get some votes? Because I remember seeing some Cuusoo creations on Eurobricks before, but I have never seen a single Lego Ideas creation pitch yet.

I thought - and I could be out of touch and wrong - that you could post an Idea here, or in the relevant forum, but you are not allowed to spam it.

How to get an Idea noticed is the biggest hurdle. If they get hosted by a LEGO youtube blogger like The Brick show or Jangbricks, they seem to get noticed. I guess you could write to them and ask them to a do a feature. Or set up a youtube video yourself - I don't think you are allowed to use the LEGO logo in any videos you set up, or advertise it as any kind of official LEGO product.

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I have a question. I read somewhere that presenting your Lego Ideas project is not allowed on Eurobricks. Where can I present my idea, to gather interest and get it noticed? Is this a norm for forums to not allow users to "sell" their creation so they can get some votes? Because I remember seeing some Cuusoo creations on Eurobricks before, but I have never seen a single Lego Ideas creation pitch yet.

From the FAQ:

LEGO Ideas: If you have a great MOC, that is also a LEGO Ideas project, you may present it on EB as you would any MOC, with a single link to the Ideas entry. Make the title about the MOC, not the Ideas business; don't be too shouty, and it is likely to be tolerated. You need to be thinking: 'I want people on EB to see my MOC and comment on it. If they like it, perhaps they'll support it on LEGO Ideas', rather than: 'I want Ideas support! If I post it on EB, perhaps more people will vote!.

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I have a question. I read somewhere that presenting your Lego Ideas project is not allowed on Eurobricks. Where can I present my idea, to gather interest and get it noticed? Is this a norm for forums to not allow users to "sell" their creation so they can get some votes? Because I remember seeing some Cuusoo creations on Eurobricks before, but I have never seen a single Lego Ideas creation pitch yet.

I thought - and I could be out of touch and wrong - that you could post an Idea here, or in the relevant forum, but you are not allowed to spam it.

How to get an Idea noticed is the biggest hurdle. If they get hosted by a LEGO youtube blogger like The Brick show or Jangbricks, they seem to get noticed. I guess you could write to them and ask them to a do a feature. Or set up a youtube video yourself - I don't think you are allowed to use the LEGO logo in any videos you set up, or advertise it as any kind of official LEGO product.

You aren't allowed to post it for the apparent sole or primary purpose of advertising your Ideas project to gain support. But if it is posted as though it's a regular MOC, with a link to the relevant Ideas page that is fine. So you should avoid putting "Ideas" in the topic title and so on. The focus of the post should be on the MOC, and not on the Ideas aspect. If your MOC gets really good attention your project will get some too.

edit: what he said too ^

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Sex is family friendly - families couldn't exist without it :D

Tomb Raider and Uncharted? More shooters, jumpers or adventures? At some stage someone makes a call that is not precise and has some arbitrary elements.

Well yes. They originally disallowed the Fun with Portals Project because it was at first glance a FPS. Tomb Raider is viewed as more of a jumping puzzler so it might be ok, assuming how whoever is making the call at Ideas views it. But the point is Mass Effect would be disallowed long before they consider brand fit for adult storylines. It looks like a shooter to them, so it gets banned with the shooters.

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I suspect that they will likely shy away from anything sourced from live action horror, that is getting much past the era of the Universal Monsters.

Buffy is considered live action horror? I didn't know that. I always considered it more of a teen drama

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Buffy is considered live action horror? I didn't know that. I always considered it more of a teen drama

It could probably be appealed and explained that Buffy is viewed as a PG (or whatever the local designation is) young teen appropriate horror/comedy/adventure. As some said some of their decisions can be arbitrary and can be based on quick glances at what the source material is. Case in point the above mentioned Portal project which was twice pulled and only got reinstated because the Lego fans politely and persistantly explained to the CuuSoo staff that no it is not in fact an FPS, it only looks vaguely like one. I think someone ended up sending them the game to try.

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There are only 61 days left... and only Bricksauria | Tyrannosaurus rex seems to be able to get the 10000 supporters before April 28

This is getting exciting :sweet:

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One of EB's own has a nicely-designed Large Hadron Collider that has amassed over 1500 votes in just three days. At that rate, I think it has an excellent shot at rocketing up there in time for the next review batch deadline (and should certainly have no problem getting the needed votes within a year, at any rate).

Of older projects (specifically those due to expire in 61 days), I wouldn't want to rule out anything with around 7000 votes or so or more. I'm sure many of those won't make it, but some well might.

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