Blondie-Wan Posted June 22, 2016 Posted June 22, 2016 IMO they should ban ideas from IPs LEGO is actively producing even without an Ideas set being made. So no more Star Wars ideas. And no more Marvel or DC ideas. Why? Quote
Blondie-Wan Posted June 22, 2016 Posted June 22, 2016 I like the under 3,000 piece limit rule, it just eliminates sets that would have been rejected with one look. I don't like no projects of a license that has already been made. I just hope TLG decides to make more sets for themes like BTTF, GB, DW soon as there so much more sets that can be made from those themes. It does seem peculiar that they're still allowing projects based on existing IPs that haven't had Ideas sets but not ones that have. It seems to suggest that the licensing agreements that arise via Ideas tend to have different terms from ones that don't, in ways that mark an internal distinction between the two, which seems odd. I wonder what effect this will have on the support projects get when they're based on existing IPs. Conceivably, people who submit, say, Star Wars projects might be hesitant to support other people's Star Wars projects, for fear those other projects will enter review before their own - if someone else's Star Wars project gets approved in an earlier review batch, it means their own won't even be considered. Hmm. Quote
LEGODalekbuster523 Posted June 22, 2016 Posted June 22, 2016 IP licensing can be complicated. The Jurrasic XXX stuff considerably more so than might be readily apparent. There may be a third party that has a piece of the licensing rights to one or more of the prior JP films. There can't be, since LEGO released a videogame covering the first three films as well as Jurassic World. GUIDELINES UPDATE - Once a LEGO Ideas set based off a property is released, no more projects on it will be accepted (which means no more BBTF, DW, GB projects) Wow, what a stupid rule. The only way this can possibly be anything other than a bad thing is if LEGO are considering releasing non-Ideas sets based on these licenses. Quote
Blondie-Wan Posted June 22, 2016 Posted June 22, 2016 I wish that rule were otherwise as well (as I'd love to see additional Ideas sets based on some of the properties that have already gotten Ideas sets), but they did make a point of saying they'd arrived at these guidelines after years of reviewing various projects and operating the program, and learning more and more over time about what they could and couldn't do with it. It's possible there's just some regularly occurring legal barrier that prevents them from doing new Ideas sets for an IP once they've already done one, and that it's bigger than the Ideas team can deal with. Quote
rodiziorobs Posted June 22, 2016 Posted June 22, 2016 There can't be, since LEGO released a videogame covering the first three films as well as Jurassic World. Gotta remember apples to oranges, though. All aspects of licensing get their own agreements and arrangements: toys, games, action figures, scale figurines, lunchboxes, t-shirts, etc.--it all gets handled differently, often with separate licenses for each licensee and product category. I think all of the rules changes make a lot of sense. The piece count has been a long time coming, and I'm frankly surprised they set the limit so high. The no-repeat-licenses rule also makes sense. In each case so far, the reviewed Ideas project has been a first step towards licensing a new IP. Presumably the license has provisions for sharing royalties with a third party (the project creator), but once that license is established those provisions cannot be written in for any additional third-parties. That being said, I expect that would also mean existing licences are out, but maybe one of the myriad licences TLG holds doesn't exclude such a scenario, so somewhere there is a chance. Or, it's just never come up in review in a way that the Ideas team can issue a definitive rule (any project based on an already-licensed had other prohibitive issues like size (X-mansion, Wayne mansion) or action-figure licensing (Dark Bucket), so maybe they didn't get far enough to consider conflicts written into the existing license itself). Quote
Aanchir Posted June 22, 2016 Posted June 22, 2016 (edited) Wow, what a stupid rule. The only way this can possibly be anything other than a bad thing is if LEGO are considering releasing non-Ideas sets based on these licenses. Chances are with third-party IPs that have already been produced through LEGO Ideas, there are two possibilities: 1) When the LEGO Group acquired the IP, they explored the possibility of other sets based on the IP and made plans to release them. 2) When the LEGO Group acquired the IP, they explored the possibility of other sets based on the IP, and determined they weren't viable. Either way, it means that future projects based on that same IP are more or less dead in the water. Why force people to wait through the whole process of gathering support if they'll inevitably face rejection? Not to mention, this helps preempt some of the baseless accusations of "LEGO Ideas theft" like LEGO faced with the Ghostbusters Firehouse Headquarters. If your project is a natural next step for a previously announced LEGO Ideas IP, then it's almost certain that the same idea has already been explored by LEGO, possibly even before they even announced that the initial project for that IP had passed review. From a business perspective, it also increases the likelihood that each successful LEGO Ideas project will help draw a new audience to the LEGO Ideas theme and the LEGO brand, instead of new projects just catering to fans that LEGO is already reaching with existing product lines. Edited June 22, 2016 by Aanchir Quote
xboxtravis7992 Posted June 22, 2016 Posted June 22, 2016 The new guidelines Lego released for Ideas are great and very welcome. Glad to see them in place. Quote
Robert8 Posted June 22, 2016 Posted June 22, 2016 (edited) Wow, what a stupid rule. The only way this can possibly be anything other than a bad thing is if LEGO are considering releasing non-Ideas sets based on these licenses. ? It's the best update I've ever seen in LEGO Ideas I just hope they'll approve a DC and Marvel set, and a Star Wars set.... and we won't more of those forever! Edited June 22, 2016 by Robert8 Quote
dulsi Posted June 22, 2016 Posted June 22, 2016 I assume the rule for IP already used in an ideas set has more to do with how they internally evaluate the IP. For GB and BTTF, they probably designed multiple ideas beyond the initial set. So most new ideas sets would have probably already been evaluated. Quote
xboxtravis7992 Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 Does the Saturn V count as an IP I wonder? Probably not I'd hope. Quote
Blondie-Wan Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 Does the Saturn V count as an IP I wonder? Probably not I'd hope. According to the new guidelines: Archiving projects based on third-party properties commercialized through LEGO Ideas, including Hayabusa, Minecraft, Back to the Future, Mars Science Laboratory Curiosity Rover, Ghostbusters, The Big Bang Theory, Doctor Who, WALL·E, Caterham, Adventure Time, Beatles, and Apollo missions. ... which seems pretty odd, given that it's not an "IP" per se. However, in the comments (responding to LuisPG, a frequent Ideas submitter who recently put forth an excellent new Apollo-based project), they do say this: Hi LuisPG, Only projects based on the specific Apollo 11 Saturn V vehicle has been disallowed via the guidelines update. We should have communicated this clearer. As such other Apollo missions are welcome still and have therefore not been archived. We've created a little FAQ concerning LEGO Ideas licenses, which you can find here: https://legoideas.uservoice.com/knowledgebase/articles/910194-what-licenses... So... there we go. Other Apollo-based projects are still acceptable (and presumably, other Saturn Vs), just not stuff pertaining to that specific mission. That said, I can't imagine they'd approve another project that was just a large Saturn V from some other Apollo mission, since it would be pretty much the same thing, whereas an Apollo-based project (even one based around Apollo 11) that focused on something other than the launch vehicle would yield a very different set. But there we go. Quote
Littleworlds Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 I am also pretty happy with the new guidelines. After all it should be about ideas. Which means in the best sense of the word, something TLG or submitters didn't come up with before. Finally an end to the endless stream of sameish-licensed sets there. And also an end to the mammoth-scale vanity projects some people submit - so yeah: healthy changes, good news! Quote
jonwil Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 Sounds like they aren't ruling out, say, a large-scale lunar lander in the vein of the 10029 Lunar Lander, just projects specifically based on the Apollo 11 Saturn 5 (and probably any large sized Saturn 5 project). Quote
Faefrost Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 Does the Saturn V count as an IP I wonder? Probably not I'd hope. Actually yes NASA stuff is an IP and they do require licensing. But it's not a particularly difficult license to acquire, nor is it expensive. Not to mention NASA themselves tend to buy huge quantities of the licensed products to stock the gift shops. Lego has a long standing and very positive relationship with NASA. Due to the almost case by case nature of it it is one of the few times were it doesn't run into a problem as an existing IP. Quote
HawkLord Posted July 7, 2016 Posted July 7, 2016 With the next wave (and future waves) of Dimensions bringing in so many new IPs, I have to wonder if Ideas will still be a haven for IP-based set or if it may function more for completely original set designs. Quote
Blondie-Wan Posted July 7, 2016 Posted July 7, 2016 With the next wave (and future waves) of Dimensions bringing in so many new IPs, I have to wonder if Ideas will still be a haven for IP-based set or if it may function more for completely original set designs. I honestly don't see it as a huge problem, but for those who do, I'd think that with the new rule about no projects based on IPs that have already gotten CUUSOO / Ideas sets, all we need is for one project apiece to be approved from each of the major IPs that keeps turning up - Star Wars, The Hobbit / The Lord of the Rings, DC, Marvel, Jurassic Park, The Legend of Zelda, etc. Once those are gone (or even just some of them), it'll either motivate people to come up with more original subject matter, or or just mean fewer things get posted (and thus that you won't have as much stuff to sort through, which I personally don't think is a clear and unmitigated benefit, but I suspect many here would disagree). Either way, it should be a win for you guys. ___________________ One particular project I find particularly worthy (no, not one of mine ) but which isn't getting quite as much love as it's earned (IMHO) is the Hearthstone Bakery, one of the most beautiful modular-style creations I've ever seen, whether from TLG itself or from the fandom. It's due to expire in a week from this writing, but it's also just 216 votes from the 5k milestone, which would give it a six-month extension. I think that with the additional six months, and just a slightly higher vote count than it has now (pushing it into the top 20 or so projects, thus making it visible in the "Most Supported" ranks on the Discovery page), it'd have a real shot at getting all the way to 10k, and even if TLG isn't necessarily likely to approve a modular just yet, I think the quality of this one's design means it should at least get its shot in review. How about checking it out? Quote
Actor Builder Posted July 7, 2016 Posted July 7, 2016 I supported it, Blondie-Wan. Your pitch worked. Quote
Robert8 Posted July 7, 2016 Posted July 7, 2016 Aww what a beautiful MOC that will never be a LEGO set Supported! Quote
x105Black Posted July 7, 2016 Posted July 7, 2016 One particular project I find particularly worthy (no, not one of mine ) but which isn't getting quite as much love as it's earned (IMHO) is the Hearthstone Bakery, one of the most beautiful modular-style creations I've ever seen, whether from TLG itself or from the fandom. It's due to expire in a week from this writing, but it's also just 216 votes from the 5k milestone, which would give it a six-month extension. I think that with the additional six months, and just a slightly higher vote count than it has now (pushing it into the top 20 or so projects, thus making it visible in the "Most Supported" ranks on the Discovery page), it'd have a real shot at getting all the way to 10k, and even if TLG isn't necessarily likely to approve a modular just yet, I think the quality of this one's design means it should at least get its shot in review. How about checking it out? I agree. I supported that one a while back, and if I could I would support it again. Quote
jonwil Posted July 7, 2016 Posted July 7, 2016 Added my support to that one too (even if TLG won't be doing a modular (or other larger building like that fishing shop) through Ideas anytime soon. Quote
Blondie-Wan Posted July 7, 2016 Posted July 7, 2016 I supported it, Blondie-Wan. Your pitch worked. Yay! Aww what a beautiful MOC that will never be a LEGO set Supported! Quote
Blondie-Wan Posted July 13, 2016 Posted July 13, 2016 I'm delighted to note that beautiful project hit the 5000 mark earlier today, with under two days to spare, and earned its six-month extension. Hooray! Quote
CM4Sci Posted July 13, 2016 Posted July 13, 2016 The Adventure Time set has been revealed - due in January for $44.99 Quote
x105Black Posted July 13, 2016 Posted July 13, 2016 The Adventure Time set has been revealed - due in January for $44.99 The set looks good. A few of those new pyramid tiles, a couple of the new shield tiles, and a good source of Unikitty tails and ball joints. I'm looking forward to actual minifigure sets based on the property. Just happy this led to a license agreement. Can't wait for the Dimensions packs. Quote
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