LEGO Ideas Discussion

[Tariq j]

Well I think depending on when/where you grew up will depend on what version of the show you like best. 

Maybe if this was to become a set, they could have all the characters from the US version, plus one or two characters from the UK version like Tim Canterbury and David Brent so you could mix and match as you liked.

[Exetrius]

If this thread could stop arguing about gender distribution in LEGO sets, and which Office show is more hilarious...

 

Anyway, I am really glad the Dungeon Master project received such a massive support. I also had started designing a project based upon the same idea: adventurous setting, non-human enemy minions and a bunch of extravagant heroes with a classified set of abilities, weapons and armour. Honestly, I'm surprised that it took so long for a project like this to emerge and reach 10K supporters, considering the huge gamer communities of World of Warcraft, League of Legends, Runescape (in former days), Skyrim, and the list goes on.

I'm hoping for a set that contains a mysterious and ancient structure, guarded by savage monsters, a brave team of adventurers (Tank, Ranger, Mage, Healer) featuring unique decorations, artifactitious gear and other things that are commonplace in RPG games (Health potions, Spell books, Runes). Oh... how I'd love that! 

Edited March 26, 2017 by Exetrius

[x105Black]

2 hours ago, Exetrius said:

If this thread could stop arguing about gender distribution in LEGO sets, and which Office show is more hilarious...

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Anyway, I am really glad the Dungeon Master project received such a massive support. I also had started designing a project based upon the same idea: adventurous setting, non-human enemy minions and a bunch of extravagant heroes with a classified set of abilities, weapons and armour. Honestly, I'm surprised that it took so long for a project like this to emerge and reach 10K supporters, considering the huge gamer communities of World of Warcraft, League of Legends, Runescape (in former days), Skyrim, and the list goes on.

I'm hoping for a set that contains a mysterious and ancient structure, guarded by savage monsters, a brave team of adventurers (Tank, Ranger, Mage, Healer) featuring unique decorations, artifactitious gear and other things that are commonplace in RPG games (Health potions, Spell books, Runes). Oh... how I'd love that! 

1st: I'd prefer an Office Space set to either version of the Office (although the American is superior).

2nd: I'd love to see the Dungeon Master set come to life, and you've described some great features I'd love to see in the Castle theme.

[anothergol]

19 hours ago, Blondie-Wan said:

There's nothing about feminism that would preclude someone from having an interest in both it and in LEGO, just like there isn't anything about an interest in cars, Star Wars, or any of a zillion other things that precludes someone from having an interest in LEGO. You know how ridiculous it would sound if you said "those who voted for this don't care much bout Lego, more about cars" as a reason to blow off a car-related Ideas set (for example)? Well, it's just as ridiculous when you say it about feminism.

And women and their accomplishments are just not viewed the same way as men and men's are. If this had been a "Men of NASA" set, do you suppose you or anyone else would be making the same outcry? Why is that?

There is no such sect as "car lovers", while feminists on the internet are a sect. They're going crazy, it is no surprise that something like this is voted in no time, it's a cult followed by millions.
If you followed the craze around "Hugh Mungus", for ex, you will understand how crazy these people (& they aren't only women) are.

If this had been named "Men of NASA", can you imagine the uproar among feminists? They would have protested on streets for this.

I didn't know that the research institute project was a feminist one btw. Lego didn't take too much risks with the name. I know I wanted to buy it (but it was too late), I wouldn't have wanted it if it had been named "women of science".

Btw it's a bit hypocritical for Lego to be into this, when they have Friends & other theme for girls, with specific minifigs. Yesterday's feminists wanted men & women -equal-, and they kinda succeeded. Today's feminists want men & women -the same-, and that's silly. A boy and a girl are different, Lego does know this, they sell toys, they don't sell the same toys to boys & girls. Maybe with this project they're just throwing a bone for feminists to chew, but a real success, for feminists, would be Lego stopping their Friends/Elves line, stopping doing sets with fancy colors for girls. And that's not going to happen, because Lego wanna sell toys, and boys & girls are different.

 

 

Edited March 27, 2017 by anothergol

[x105Black]

9 minutes ago, anothergol said:

There is no such sect as "car lovers", while feminists on the internet are a sect. They're going crazy, it is no surprise that something like this is voted in no time, it's a cult followed by millions.

Feminism isn't a cult...  It's ridiculous to think of it in that way.

9 minutes ago, anothergol said:

Yesterday's feminists wanted men & women -equal-, and they kinda succeeded.

They did?

A "Men of NASA" set would have been poorly received, yes.  This is because history has focused on the men of NASA time and time again.  There has been little to no attention for the many contributions of the women of NASA, thus the set.

And while I consider myself a feminist, I think a "People of NASA" set would have been the best way to make a more inclusive step in the right direction.  What feminists ultimately want is to be on the same footing as men, so I feel that the back and forth, tit for tat strategy goes against the ideals of feminism.  It has been all-male before, going all-female now is just more of the same in the opposite direction.  I'm probably coming at it from the wrong point of view, though, because I am a feminist.  It's those who don't understand feminism that need to see sets like this, and to really value women for their merits.  It may take some overtly pro-female sets to drive home the idea before true progress and even distribution can become a reality.  In that spirit, I am happy to see this set.

[Artanis I]

On 25/03/2017 at 7:52 AM, Faefrost said:

The Big Bang Theory had some things working in its favor that made it essentially "cheap advertising" for Lego. It's a modern still in production show, that shows among other things, grown ups playing with Lego. The mere existance of the set pretty much guarantees further product placement on the broadly internationally syndicated show. So it really paid for itself for Lego, before a single set gets sold. 

Sometimes things that seem similar are actually not, when you peek behind the curtain. 

I meant that I thought BBT wouldn't pass due to being "inappropriate", but it did. Then I went on to talk about The Office, for which I figure "inappropriate" is no longer such a barrier (if the other show is any kind of precedent).

 

On 25/03/2017 at 8:06 AM, Aanchir said:

How the heck do you figure the UK version is more well-known? The US version ran nine seasons (201 episodes), and its highest-rated episode had 22.9 million viewers. The UK version had just 12 episodes and two Christmas specials, and its highest-rated episode was the first Christmas special with just 6.8 million viewers.

7 hours ago, Ashnflash said:

I and would say that Michael Scott is a much bigger character than David Brent. It pretty much is what Steve Carrel's career and is such a huge and popular actor. Ricky Gervais not a lot of people know him, last thing I've seen him in would be Night at the Museum. 

Also there's a reason why the US one had 9 seasons and compared to have only 3... If you add up all the episodes of the UK one you don't even get a full season..........

1 Number of episodes and ratings are irrelevant in this case. UK TV traditionally doesn't work the same way as US. A show gets made, aired, maybe further series are made, maybe not. It's all about what resources are available at the time, not what demand there is for more episodes. Fawlty Towers only had 12 episodes over 2 series, and is one of the best-loved shows of all time. Shows don't get "cancelled". It's not like when American shows are unpopular (ie lower ratings) and are therefore cut short or not renewed. UK series are more like 6 or 8 episodes, very different from the 13 or 26 week US season. Unlike (eg) US Office where you typically watch the whole thing once over a period of however many years the show continues, for UK Office (eg) you watch the whole thing right through multiple times - if it's any good. It is replayed for years and people watch it again and again. Also, a show could be over before many people who would be interested in it find out about it. Australia sometimes has the same sort of thing. How many times did I only catch the last 2 or 3 episodes of something and had to wait until the repeats a few months later to see it all. Some shows here get the US treatment (weeks of high profile promotion before-hand, long series that are renewed according to ratings), but other stuff is on the low-down, short&sweet, gains cult following, and gets replayed again and again years later (due to popularity not measured by ratings, ie demand).

It's just done differently, you guys were comparing apples with oranges. For your information (I don't mean that in the rude way) I think both shows are really good, I preferred the original for its more genuine believable feel. Real people actually behave like that, although it is turned up to 11 at times (or 12). The American one (while very enjoyable) is more unrealistic, everyone is very obviously an actor. And most of those characters would have left or be sacked (and sacked hard) well before 9 years. I like my mockumentaries to seem like they could be real. But that is no reason for anyone to discount the show, it's very funny, I really enjoyed it. Yes, the UK one is more abrasive, and would turn many people off, but for many it's like enjoying a more mature flavoured cheese over the more common stuff.

2 If you are American, you would be more familiar with American actors and releases. If you are British, vice versa. (I am neither, BTW.) Ricky was recently in a David Brent movie, and it was hilarious.

3 Just leave him be, those spouts are just from immaturity

Edited March 27, 2017 by Artanis I

[1980-Something-Space-Guy]

I mean, I get it when people say "I prefer this over that". It's just when people say stuff like "clearly X is superior than Y, EVERYBODY knows that" (i.e. subjective statements used as absolute ones) that I find it annoying. But yes, I agree those statements are often caused by immaturity and shouldn't be taken too seriously, and perhaps we should get back on track.

[anothergol]

10 hours ago, x105Black said:

A "Men of NASA" set would have been poorly received, yes.  This is because history has focused on the men of NASA time and time again.  There has been little to no attention for the many contributions of the women of NASA, thus the set.

Come on, the average people knows only a few "men of NASA", namely the few ones who put a foot on the moon. And not even them all, only the first few ones at best.
Really, 12 men landed on the moon. 12. I only know Armstrong & Aldrin, and I'm sure it's the same for most people. It's not men vs women, it's just that we don't know "people of the NASA", just like no one remembers silver medals. Had a woman put a foot on the moon (would have been unlikely on the US side in that era, though), she would have been one of the few famous ones.

I'm waiting for someone to add a "Gays of NASA" entry on Lego Ideas. Lego would be in big troubles if they rejected such a project, in this starting era of excessive positive discrimination. Surely there are gays working at the NASA.
Really, it's the ones who claim to want everyone equal who are making their best to segregate everyone.
If the feminist behind this project really believed that genders should be treated equally, his(/her, I assume) project should have been "people of the NASA". "Women of the NASA" is misandry just like "Men of the NASA" would have been misogyny.

 

Btw there are quite a few unknown females in sciences, from the past century. A show like Cosmos knows how to put them in the spotlight, more intelligently than this.
 

Edited March 27, 2017 by anothergol

[1980-Something-Space-Guy]

Don't know if anyone has mentioned this project before, but it's perfect for those of us waiting for a Lego Flintstones set:

https://ideas.lego.com/projects/168661

Hope it gets made!

[StarWars8Spoiler]

1 hour ago, BrickHat said:

Don't know if anyone has mentioned this project before, but it's perfect for those of us waiting for a Lego Flintstones set:

https://ideas.lego.com/projects/168661

 

Hope it gets made!

I can easily see this one hitting 10k and passing the review. I'd buy it in a heartbeat. I love classic cartoons.

[Artanis I]

I can definitely see it reaching review very quickly. Being a licenced property, it is anyone's guess as to whether it would pass or not.

[jonwil]

LEGO has a very good relationship with Warner Brothers (who acquired the rights to the Flintstones cartoon when they bought Hanna-Barbara) so that increases the chance that it would get the tick of approval from the license holder.

Whether it passes the "will it sell" test is another matter (as a fan of The Flintstones myself, I would probably be interested in buying one...)

 

[Capparezza]

On 27.3.2017 at 1:08 PM, anothergol said:

Come on, the average people knows only a few "men of NASA", namely the few ones who put a foot on the moon. And not even them all, only the first few ones at best.
Really, 12 men landed on the moon. 12. I only know Armstrong & Aldrin, and I'm sure it's the same for most people. It's not men vs women, it's just that we don't know "people of the NASA", just like no one remembers silver medals. Had a woman put a foot on the moon (would have been unlikely on the US side in that era, though), she would have been one of the few famous ones.

I'm waiting for someone to add a "Gays of NASA" entry on Lego Ideas. Lego would be in big troubles if they rejected such a project, in this starting era of excessive positive discrimination. Surely there are gays working at the NASA.
Really, it's the ones who claim to want everyone equal who are making their best to segregate everyone.
If the feminist behind this project really believed that genders should be treated equally, his(/her, I assume) project should have been "people of the NASA". "Women of the NASA" is misandry just like "Men of the NASA" would have been misogyny.

So true...

[Ashnflash]

Interestingly enough, this was project was made by the same guy who made the Doctor Who one. Good on him, looks really awesome 

[anothergol]

7 hours ago, BrickHat said:

Don't know if anyone has mentioned this project before, but it's perfect for those of us waiting for a Lego Flintstones set:

https://ideas.lego.com/projects/168661

Hope it gets made!

 

Now that's how The Office project should have been made. A proper build (even if it's 3D) and effort put in the minifig faces.

Perhaps there are too many Flintstones project already, this is the best one but the others aren't bad either.

[Ashnflash]

Also. If this hits 10k before the next announcement, does this mean that it will be in the running with the Office? Because if it is the Office won't stand chance 

[rodiziorobs]

I neither like nor dislike the source material, but I have to say: that Flintstones project looks like a fantastic production. It's not too big or unwieldy, but has a substantial build and good mix of minifigs. Source material aside, it is pretty much an ideal Ideas project submission. That's what every Ideas project should strive to be.

Edited March 28, 2017 by rodiziorobs

[Exetrius]

1 hour ago, Ashnflash said:

Also. If this hits 10k before the next announcement, does this mean that it will be in the running with the Office? Because if it is the Office won't stand chance 

There is no competitive exclusion among the projects of one review stage; multiple projects could pass at once, but on the other hand it is possible that none pass of the batch.

[rodiziorobs]

28 minutes ago, Exetrius said:

There is no competitive exclusion among the projects of one review stage; multiple projects could pass at once, but on the other hand it is possible that none pass of the batch.

Officially, there isn't; however, if two projects were approved in the same review, they would be competing for the same production resources on their way to market. So yes, while the projects in a review don't go head-to-head, I am sure the review board and designers have take into consideration the allowances TLG has given them, especially if they want to greenlight more than one project.

I have no evidence for it (nor the memory for which projects have been approved for each review), but it seems to me that all else held equal, if one project passes review it would be less likely for another from the same review to also pass.

[Blondie-Wan]

1 hour ago, rodiziorobs said:

Officially, there isn't; however, if two projects were approved in the same review, they would be competing for the same production resources on their way to market. So yes, while the projects in a review don't go head-to-head, I am sure the review board and designers have take into consideration the allowances TLG has given them, especially if they want to greenlight more than one project.

I have no evidence for it (nor the memory for which projects have been approved for each review), but it seems to me that all else held equal, if one project passes review it would be less likely for another from the same review to also pass.

That's all true, but it's also true that they can and do queue approved sets for production, so presumably, they can always approve a set if they really want to and are able to do it, even if they're also approving several others - as long as they're willing and able to approve a set that they won't be able to release for a long while.

There have been four different reviews in which they approved two different projects. There has also been one batch from which three different projects were ultimately approved (albeit in two different reviews, as the batch with the Birds sculpture, The Big Bang Theory, two Doctor Who projects, the modular Apple Store, and the Back to the Future Time Train had those first two projects - Birds and TBBT - approved right away while the two Doctor Who projects were held for further review, and then one of them was approved in the next review, alongside WALL•E from the following batch).

I admit I half-wonder whether the fact Women of NASA is the only project approved in the last review (that is, not why it was approved, but why no others were approved with it) is because it's fairly small and easy to slip into the production queue, while most of the other projects are quite a bit larger. They're already about to release the two largest Ideas sets ever, back-to-back (we don't have a piece count for the Apollo 11 Saturn V, but in terms of sheer physical size it's apparently going to be taller than even the freaking Disney Castle, while a comment from one of the Ideas team members indicates the Old Fishing Store will have over 1500 pieces, as the original project surely did). OTOH, not only are those two monsters coming up, but they're also still considering the Voltron project, which would be another rather large one. So, who knows (besides LEGO's team, of course)...

 

[LEGODalekbuster523]

11 hours ago, BrickHat said:

Don't know if anyone has mentioned this project before, but it's perfect for those of us waiting for a Lego Flintstones set:

https://ideas.lego.com/projects/168661

Hope it gets made!

I really want this set to be made. I'd buy this day one and would certainly have a yabba-dabba-doo time building it.

[Blondie-Wan]

4 hours ago, anothergol said:

 

Now that's how The Office project should have been made. A proper build (even if it's 3D)

What LEGO project or set isn't in 3D?

I mean, aside from the Life of George models and the mosaics and such, which have bricks in 2D planes (but still use 3D bricks, of course)...

[1980-Something-Space-Guy]

Wow, happy to see that this project is getting a lot of support here. In fact I just noticed that it's gotten ~2500 votes fairly quickly. Hopefully that means it'll get to 10,000 before the next review stage closes.

[AFOLguy1970]

The way he did the Dino addition is amazing!  I would have never thought of that.  Anyway, this is going to be a very strong contender.  

[anothergol]

9 hours ago, Blondie-Wan said:

What LEGO project or set isn't in 3D?

I mean, aside from the Life of George models and the mosaics and such, which have bricks in 2D planes (but still use 3D bricks, of course)...

CGI..

but looking at it again, it's more likely heavily processed pictures. I don't understand why there's so much compositing when he actually built the thing. The dino has to be 3D, I see low poly count in places.