Please be nice

[Hinckley]

Hello all,

I wanted to bring up a topic that I've noticed a lot of:

The situation goes like this. An EB member posts a new topic and another EB member posts a reply something along the lines of "we already know about this. We've had five other topics about it." and then followed up by some disgusted emoticon. While I can understand a response like that inside a topic where they are repeating something that is said two posts prior, I think the general practice is rude.

A lot of the time, it is a new user posting a topic he or she is excited about. Comments like "We've already discussed this" are not very welcoming to new members. Especially when the new user posts about a topic that hasn't been discussed for months or years. I remember people here complaining how FBTB users can be rude to new users and I don't want to see that happen here. We have over 8000 discussion topics with thousands more replies. I certainly don't expect anyone to have read them all.

Even if someone posts a new topic that is a carbon of a topic a few posts back, we can at least be a little more patient, esp. with users who have less than 20 posts...

So please be a little more forgiving and gracious towards our newer members. I assume we want them to feel welcome. After all, we are all LEGO fans and that's why we're here. Thanks!

[vahkimetru]

I completely agree. Although I doubt anyone means any harm, just be careful what you write. *y*

Well said hinckley

[captaintau]

Although I don't recall seeing any threads with that bad a response, I agree with the notion. It was that sort of attitude that put many of us off FBTB.

[5150 Lego]

Although I don't recall seeing any threads with that bad a response, I agree with the notion. It was that sort of attitude that put many of us off FBTB.

Attually,i remember quite a few threads with bad responses. I got one myself when i posted upsome new creator sets earlier this year.

Very well said hinckely39.

[iamded]

I've seen this kinda thing on here before, and I agree with what hinckley39 says.

[snefroe]

i agree up to a point. i've seen many topics in the past that really only repeated a topic we discussed just a week before. it's one thing to be happy and eager to share and start new topics, but very often it's far better to first check if there isn't a topic about that already. Especially on news, nesw sets,... it can't be that hard to see if it's not already in one of the appropriate forums

we have a search function on EB i suggest people use it. People also must realise that we cannot allow them to start different topics about exactly the same thing. if we want to have a discussion, we're better off getting all opinions in one thread only.

sure, "be nice" is a general motto on EB, but i'd be very happy if people were a bit smarter from time to time as well... ;-)

[phoinix]

we have discussed this before hnckley!!! >:-(

(i just couldnt help my self from making that joke! *sweet* *sweet* )

i agree with your point my friend.. ;-)

[Holodoc]

A better way than posting disgusted emoticons would be to show where the older topics are and then ask a mod to join the threads. That would be a real help.

I think for the most of us EB is a place that is a friendly one, sometimes a lot gentler than other sites (and I do not speak of FBTB, because I

[Bonaparte]

I hate people being rude, unfriendly, nonconstructive, ... on a forum.

If we are all afraid that a topic might have been discussed already, there would not be many new topics.

But some newbies should first do some reading before starting new topics (unless they are about a MOC they have made).

[zero1312]

Finally someone said it. ;-) Of course I agree!

[morris]

so what IF indeed the topic has been posted/discussed?

[snefroe]

so what IF indeed the topic has been posted/discussed?

then you check to see how old it is and how relevant your message is. if you just wanna give your opinion about something we discussed in a thread 1 year ago then maybe it's not all that neccessary to revive that thread by adding your opinion. if it's news, something that has been mentioned before, then just add your post.

seriously, there are no rules here, we're just relying upon our members to use their common sense...

[5150 Lego]

i agree up to a point. i've seen many topics in the past that really only repeated a topic we discussed just a week before. it's one thing to be happy and eager to share and start new topics, but very often it's far better to first check if there isn't a topic about that already. Especially on news, nesw sets,... it can't be that hard to see if it's not already in one of the appropriate forums

we have a search function on EB i suggest people use it. People also must realise that we cannot allow them to start different topics about exactly the same thing. if we want to have a discussion, we're better off getting all opinions in one thread only.

sure, "be nice" is a general motto on EB, but i'd be very happy if people were a bit smarter from time to time as well... ;-)

Iagre to a point. While i think there nothing wrong with pointing somone to the thread if itsbeen discussed in detail (like a 7 page long thread about a new set or a season of sets), but to chew someone out, for posting up a topic that has 2 respones or so about a topic posted in the past 10 minutes is just wrong.

Also, i think refering somone to using the search funtion when they start a threadabout new sets they found is just plain rude . Sorry. All there trying to do is share some info they come across,and to be told "we already know about this. Try using the search button next time before you post". Responses like this make people not want to post period.

I understand that it takes up bandwith with topics of the same content, but there's nothing wrong with a kind, welcoming way in pointing them in the right direction.

[Hinckley]

we have discussed this before hnckley!!! >:-(

(i just couldnt help my self from making that joke! *sweet* *sweet* )

i agree with your point my friend.. ;-)

LOL! X-D (lol after of course I had the split second of >:-( that's my point...oh it's a joke, of course!) ;-)

Thanks for injecting some humor into this! That's usually my role but for once I was serious, how bout it?

Anyway, glad we can start a discussion about this. I think it's important that people acknowledge it. Thanks!

[Sir Dillon]

While I haven't noticed a whole lot of this (which may be because I've not been on a lot of late) but it's nice to see people acknowledging there may be a problem, instead of either saying nothings wrong or just ignoring you. That alone is a good sign. :-)

One thing I've noticed that has kind of bothered me, is that some of our threads can get really long (that's not a bad thing, in itself) and some pictures or important news will be posted somewhere in that thread, and then discussed, so it gets buried deep in the thread. Then someone will make a new thread with the same information, and people will tell them to use the search button, and give them a link to a twenty-some page thread. :-/

I'm not really sure how that can be avoided, though. Maybe if the first post would be updated with the pictures or important news, or perhaps someone could take all the important stuff and make a new thread, and then an admin could lock the other topic? Just some ideas. :-)

[Starwars4J]

I'm not really sure how that can be avoided, though. Maybe if the first post would be updated with the pictures or important news, or perhaps someone could take all the important stuff and make a new thread, and then an admin could lock the other topic? Just some ideas. :-)

That's actually a really good idea, perhaps whenever there's a thread about something new, whether it be lines or just a new set, having the first post constantly updated by mods, admins, and the topic starter with all the pictures and a concise list of information and facts (as Jipay recently frontpaged about the new creator set) would be a fantastic idea!

Obviously going back and doing that for everything would not only be impractical, but a huge pain as well, but to implement it for future news sounds not only feasible but really handy.

Now I'm just curious about how the admins feel about your idea :-)

[snefroe]

One thing I've noticed that has kind of bothered me, is that some of our threads can get really long (that's not a bad thing, in itself) and some pictures or important news will be posted somewhere in that thread, and then discussed, so it gets buried deep in the thread. Then someone will make a new thread with the same information, and people will tell them to use the search button, and give them a link to a twenty-some page thread. :-/

yeah that is a good point. i'm not sure how to solve that tough. starting a new topic might lead to a bunch of new topics whenever new sets arrive or close to release dates, and the photos may be new but the discussion would brobably just continue, so closing one topic and starting another would confuse people...

updating a topic starting post may involve too much work and many people only check new posts. i'm not sure if an updated post is regarded by the system as "new post"

using the mainpage a bit more involves more work as well and requires admins to be online almost on a constant basis... hm... that may be too much to ask, considering most of the admins have a real life as well, well..; actually, several admins have a third life also, somewhere in the tie fleet topic... :-| X-D still, that, i think, would be the most practicle solution, except for the fact that i don't know how difficult it is to grant access to the mainpage settings to global mods for instance...

[Capn Frank]

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updating a topic starting post may involve too much work and many people only check new posts. i'm not sure if an updated post is regarded by the system as "new post"

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No, an updated post is not regarded as a new post. ;-)

For indexes for instance, I post new thumbnails and edit old posts in an index to keep up to date and my post count doesn't go up.

As for the first post being updated in the large threads with the newest pics and links, i think that's a great idea! *y*

I don't want to find a pic of a new set in page 7 of a 20 page thread. I don't expect the first post to be completely and constantly updated; at least a pic of the sets or theme being discussed and a link or two.

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[Holodoc]

... and people will tell them to use the search button, and give them a link to a twenty-some page thread. :-/ ...

If these "people" would use a link to the post itself where the pics/facts are located (it is at the upper right corner of each post, for example"post #16"), and not the thread as a whole, it wouldn

[snefroe]

If these "people" would use a link to the post itself where the pics/facts are located (it is at the upper right corner of each post, for example"post #16"), and not the thread as a whole, it wouldn

[Hinckley]

X-D X-D X-D X-D *sweet* 8-

[snefroe]

I'm so glad that you guys are discussing this and trying to come up with solutions, even!

well, we aim to please! :-$ and... free of charge! :-X X-D

I have a suggestion that will demonstrate my limited knowledge of how forums work, but: Could we pin the post that has the important info in it? Say for instance our 100+ page star wars topic (you know, this one?). Could we have one post pinned so that is at the top of every page and edited to include all new pics found so that someone doesn't say "There's no new MTT this year, that's just a rumor" on page 98 and then everyone attacks him or her and says "duh, look at page 39 of this thread stupid." Is that possible?

hm... like freezing a line in exell or so... don't think it's possible but if it is, it may require extra work for our slaves root admins X-D

[Starwars4J]

Well, since admins and mods are always active in topics about breaking news, I don't see how that's such a bad idea. I mean it would be fairly easy to just edit a new in the following (example) format:

Original post

Edit: Here's all the current information we know, as updated on [date]

Name:

Price:

Piece count:

Size:

Countries found available in:

Comments:

Pictures:

and whenever someone sees something new posted, they just edit it into the first post. I don't know about you, but I've also been frustrated looking for pictures in a gigantic thread