WIP Blue frigate

[Swan Dutchman]

Lovely WIP thread... it was nice to read it on a rainy day during my holiday . Looking forward to read more...

[synbiote]

Love to read these WIPs of yours.

looking forward to see it finished..

also: you do know they don't make 2x1x2 slopes in dark blue right...

& you'll do fine managing a pirate layout..

& you can always ask the Hornblower for blue plates..

[Sebeus I]

Lovely WIP thread... it was nice to read it on a rainy day during my holiday . Looking forward to read more...

Thanks, that's nice to know .

...

also: you do know they don't make 2x1x2 slopes in dark blue right...

They don't? hmm, must have dreamt it then.

I'll better start organizing the layout, you're not by any chance interested in contributing an Islet (or something else)?

Edited May 16, 2014 by Sebeus I

[kabel]

Maybe we should open another topic for the layout discussion. Nice progress though!

[Matteo1130]

This ship is becoming fantastic. Lot of features, nice overall looking, and using a few pieces.

Do you think it is possible to use this technique on old type hulls? I've got these bow/stern 5 mids I don't know how to use...

[ummester]

The Blue Frigate looks like it is coming along well SEBEUS - I really like the bow and capstan.

Re the cannons - I try to order all similar parts from single stores, for exactly this reason.

The worst color I have noticed is reddish brown - it comes in about 4 different shades, even new.

Edited May 17, 2014 by ummester

[Sebeus I]

This ship is becoming fantastic. Lot of features, nice overall looking, and using a few pieces.

Do you think it is possible to use this technique on old type hulls? I've got these bow/stern 5 mids I don't know how to use...

The new types of hull allowed me to make the ship a bit lower,

But my previous ship, the Christine was built on the old type (using 4 midsections).

So it's definitely possible.

I'd love to see you use that hull .

The Blue Frigate looks like it is coming along well SEBEUS - I really like the bow and capstan.

Re the cannons - I try to order all similar parts from single stores, for exactly this reason.

The worst color I have noticed is reddish brown - it comes in about 4 different shades, even new.

Glad I didn't have that color shade, The 18 guns I ordered came from a single lot, 4 of them where dark metallic gray while the rest where the pearlish color.

[Matteo1130]

Unfortunatly I don't have any lego in the house I live in. I've to wait since I'll come back to my girlfriend's parents, were I've placed my workstation, to see how many pieces are still available.. hope to have enough to start something, because I have some pretty clear idea about how the bow and the railing will look, and even some mod, the only thing I'm never been good at, is making the stern, but your version is so great that I'm trying to get how it's made

I also have a completed moc (small cutter) that I haven't post (yet).

[Sebeus I]

Unfortunatly I don't have any lego in the house I live in. I've to wait since I'll come back to my girlfriend's parents, were I've placed my workstation, to see how many pieces are still available.. hope to have enough to start something, because I have some pretty clear idea about how the bow and the railing will look, and even some mod, the only thing I'm never been good at, is making the stern, but your version is so great that I'm trying to get how it's made

I also have a completed moc (small cutter) that I haven't post (yet).

I'll take some construction pictures later (my camera is recharging).

In the mean time, another update;

She's really taking shape now, I'll be calling her a corvette rather than a frigate from now on, fits the description better .

The bow is almost finished, that figurehead is temporarely, I'm going to try some lighter colors.

Headrails...those flex tubes really are a pain to work with .

A jewel of a stern, eventhough I say so myself,

that back wings piece is one of those pieces I bought just because I like it, not with any building Idea in mind.

I'm a big fan of egyptian lego.

I was actually working on an idol when the piece found its way in my hands.

This was it for now,

I'm looking for another color to use on the broadside but there's really only one option, mid blue.

Edited May 19, 2014 by Sebeus I

[Matteo1130]

Niceee! The only thing I would change is the weather deck. An half covered weather deck would make her look like a french corvette, now her just looks like a real frigate.. an looses a little of her aggressive look due to her original low profile..

The best would be with changing guns with brickbuilt ones to represent 12pdr and get more walkable space. But this is just IMHO, the ship looks awesome as is!

[synbiote]

i love that stern..

Great use of that wing part..

and i might lend you that islet XD

[Mr. Townsend]

You have a knack for finding interesting bits to use on your sterns Sebeus. The wing piece may top the dragon arch, which is one of my favorite NPUs from this forum. She is looking quite slick and I agree that Corvette is a more fitting classification. Brick on!

[Captain Edward]

Wonderful, how you used that Indian headdress! How the ship walks so smooth.. Wonderful! Just wonderful!

[kabel]

Right on dude, looking extremely nice, and that stern does look fantastic! And what's best, you are about to use my technique to attach the shrouds, I feel very honored!

[Sebeus I]

Niceee! The only thing I would change is the weather deck. An half covered weather deck would make her look like a french corvette, now her just looks like a real frigate.. an looses a little of her aggressive look due to her original low profile..

I'm not sure I know what you mean, the weather deck wasn't finished there.

Or maybe you meant the gun deck?

The best would be with changing guns with brickbuilt ones to represent 12pdr and get more walkable space. But this is just IMHO, the ship looks awesome as is!

I agree, as I was searching info on french corvettes I learned that they were usually armed with relatively light guns, until captured by the British, who replaced the guns by far more heavy artillery.

Thing is, I just got these shiny new shooting cannons .

And I don't have any other ship where they fit on, except my Flying Dutchman but on that one the old dark gray ones look much better.

As for the stern;

The side galleries are attached to the broadside and the stern windows have overhanging hinges, pretty much like my old Zephyr.

To fill in the gap between I made this construction.

This the one on the starboard side of the ship.

Right on dude, looking extremely nice, and that stern does look fantastic! And what's best, you are about to use my technique to attach the shrouds, I feel very honored!

That's the plan, although I confess that I may not stick to the plan.

In the mean time I added some mid blue to the broadsides and came to the constatation that yellow truly does not get along with the mid blue.

Problem is I only have enough of those half fences in yellow .

This is what I have currently,

I'd show more pictures but Brickshelf is acting funny.

Please ignore the yellow handrails in the center of the ship .

I don't know what I was thinking .

Edited May 19, 2014 by Sebeus I

[Captain Braunsfeld]

Lights in the cabin! Wow, you would not call yourself ambitious, would you?

As for the cannons, the difference in the wheels is striking

.. and yes, the metallic grey (or whatever they call it) looks different. I bought some pearl gold pieces recently only to find that they look much darker than the ones I had already been working with...

Back to the frigate: It's going to be great - keep going!!!

I want to steal some ideas, I mean, I am looking for inspiration

[Capt. Stabbin]

This ship is coming along beautifully! The Egyptian wing piece in the back is a really nice touch!

[Matteo1130]

Excuse me for my poor english language.. I meant: a ship with all guns on the same level was called corvette. All guns were often outwards, so the weather deck and the gundeck were the same thing. Sometimes the captain cabin was on the same level, some other times both galleries and stern were under the gunline. French built lots of these three masted square rigged ships. After capturing by english those ships were heavily reworked, another deck was built to cover the guns and some other gun were added on the new weather deck; this way, even if there was a single "official" gundeck, after reworking the guns were placed on two levels (gunline and some on the prow/sides) and those ships changed from corvettes into frigates.

The famous HMS Surprise, reproduced in the movie by the HMS Rose was an example of this treatment, because first she was the french corvette L'Unite and didn't had all the 28 guns of the finished Surprise.

This is what I've found time ago.. hope to recall it right.

Backing to this beautiful moc: I think it's a frigate, because of the weather deck covering the gundeck an the guns placed on two levels (gunline and a couple on the prow). I once was worried for her to loose the aggressive look she had without the weather deck, but for what I can see she had not rised too much in tallness so the look is safe and sound!!

Headrails looks great and well proportioned to the overall structure, clever way to close the gap between stern and galleries!

EDIT:

example of a french corvette:

http://www.velierimodellismo.net/prodotto-144948/ASTROLABE-art-773.aspx

http://www.artfinding.com/Auction/Model-of-the-corvette-Astrolabe-In-carved-wood/52140.html?LANG=it

Edited May 20, 2014 by Matteo1130

[kurigan]

Wow, this is coming along nicely. I rather like her profile. It was said before and I agree; very aggressive. The stern gallery is indeed impressive and I rather enjoy the wing detail. It’s both frugal and intricate. I appreciate what you’ve done to fill in the stern but I still find it a bit distracting. I wonder if using plates on their sides wouldn’t look better. Barring that, have you considered simply using another white bow piece? I have to beg you to please remove the light blue bulwarks. I know it’s kind of a signature color scheme, but it looks terrible in this case (IMHO). Black or more dark blue would seem more the thing. Instead of those gun flaps, have you ever considered brick built ones using 3068b? It’s something I’m sure purists would have aneurisms over, but I did something to this effect on my latest and just held them on with a bit of black tape. It needs refinement but looks pretty good.

Calling her “corvette” or “frigate” is entirely subjective to time, place and employ. You could just as well cal her “post ship” and still be right on. The debate is a real world one determined by nationalities which do not factor into your idiom. It seems you’ll set the standard for what Blue Coats call there single gun deck square riggers. It’s a weighty responsibility to be sure; choose carefully .

[Sebeus I]

I think I'll just keep it at corvette, without going to deep into historical context .

I appreciate what you’ve done to fill in the stern but I still find it a bit distracting. I wonder if using plates on their sides wouldn’t look better. Barring that, have you considered simply using another white bow piece?

Thank you, I did actually, I even bought a second bow piece along with the rest of the hull just incase I would need it.

Nevertheless, I really makes a poor stern.

Also, by not using an upper bow piece I managed to keep the stern close to the water, enhancing its sleek look.

I have to beg you to please remove the light blue bulwarks. I know it’s kind of a signature color scheme, but it looks terrible in this case (IMHO). Black or more dark blue would seem more the thing.

It may look as if I simply copied the color scheme of the old frigate, yet I did consider many other colors first (especially since I had to demolish something to get enough light blue).

Not many colors work however.

I tried both black and dark blue but both colors make the ship very dark which heavely contrasts with the white hull,

It's definitely a light color I need in order tp keep a balanced color scheme.

White, light gray and tan were options but in the end I couldn't help but like the light blue most of all.

I even tried red and so discovered the perfect way to ruin the ship .

I'm sorry you don't like it like this, can't please everyone I suppose .

Instead of those gun flaps, have you ever considered brick built ones using 3068b? It’s something I’m sure purists would have aneurisms over, but I did something to this effect on my latest and just held them on with a bit of black tape. It needs refinement but looks pretty good.

Well, I am quite a purist, I only make the exception for rigging and sails.

Especially since I started attending lego exhibitions I try to keep my MOCs purist.

You have a knack for finding interesting bits to use on your sterns Sebeus. The wing piece may top the dragon arch, which is one of my favorite NPUs from this forum.

Oh that dragon arch is so 2012 .

Thanks for reminding me, I may dig it up again and try to implement it in a new ship .

Brickshelf was acting funny yesterday so here's the proper update;

(Remember, ignore the yellow handrails in the center).

Weather deck as good as finished, I may have to modify the poop deck later though, make it more narrow.

The forecastle deck.

The quarter deck, I was considering using a detail from Kabel's Endeavor, for the stair covers...I might still do later .

For now the interior is quite accessible but it will probably become a bit more complicated when I add the rigging.

Next; the channels removing those awful yellow handrails!

And then the channels .

[kurigan]

I didn't really think you'd go in for tape but to see what I mean about brick built flaps grab any of my LFX files and do a bit of deconstruction. If you manage to pull it off, it'll give you a really slick, smooth looking side and open up a lot of color options, even more light blue. :)

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=433700

[kabel]

@sebeus: maybe you should use black half fences like I'm doing here:

[Sebeus I]

I didn't really think you'd go in for tape but to see what I mean about brick built flaps grab any of my LFX files and do a bit of deconstruction. If you manage to pull it off, it'll give you a really slick, smooth looking side and open up a lot of color options, even more light blue. :)

http://www.brickshel...ry.cgi?f=433700

These do look very good, I never gave my cannon hatches much thought, just did it like the official sets.

I understand it does reduce interior space a bit but I'm definitely going to try that some time,

not on this ship though, atleast not now, I really can't justify any more bricklink orders this year .

@sebeus: maybe you should use black half fences like I'm doing here:

Agreed, I'm short on just one though, I may have to strip it from another MOC .

The rope I have here doesn't go through technic pins though, don't really have anything else laying around.

Sigh, I think I'll take a break before I start on the rigging, I want it to be done right.

[Kolonialbeamter]

Yellow handrails cannot be ignored!

She is going to be a worthy Bluecoat flagship. The use of that egyptian stern piece is awesome! And do I spot an (empty) jar of dirt next to the wheel?!

Thanks for sharing your progress, always a pleasure to follow your work.

Keep it up!

Btw, have you received any name suggestions from your family already?

[Sebeus I]

Yellow handrails cannot be ignored!

She is going to be a worthy Bluecoat flagship. The use of that egyptian stern piece is awesome! And do I spot an (empty) jar of dirt next to the wheel?!

Thanks for sharing your progress, always a pleasure to follow your work.

Keep it up!

Btw, have you received any name suggestions from your family already?

Thank you, not a jar of dirt

It's one of the lanterns that will cover the lights in the cabin.

She will be named "Beatrix", At first I also considered the name suggestions I gave for Rebrick 'Name the ship', but none of them were really suited for this warship.

Anyway, since I have so many aunts and nieces with nice names I can keep building ships for a while.

You simply don't launch a ship without a proper name or it will befall an ill fate .

Forgot to post my pictures earlier .

I built up the masts, I can't help but think it looks kind of awkward...

The channels, I'll tie the rope to the brown bars and either run them through the fence or over the fence .

I realised that my old frigate will have to be sacrificed if I ever want to finish this ship ,

I just need more dark blue...

Too bad because I really wanted to compare the two in the end,

I may come up with a sollution involving modifications to the old frigate but she'll be different.

Edited May 21, 2014 by Sebeus I