Conchas Posted May 11, 2014 Posted May 11, 2014 You made me went to check the building instructions... :) That one I don't think it is illegal. It is a long friction blue pin, and it is not under stress. It connects a 2L equivalent. Quote
N-4K0 Posted May 11, 2014 Posted May 11, 2014 I prefer to attach trans-colored/trans-clear parts to use as lights, with the stud squeezed into a pin hole. And as kieran says, I think it's been done by TLG themselves. If it's an "illegal" building technique, why does TLG do it? Quote
AndyC Posted May 11, 2014 Posted May 11, 2014 Have single studs not been inserted onto liftarms to represent lights befor by LEGO? Connection by a single stud into a technic hole is legal, connection using multiple holes isn't because it makes the pieces too difficult to separate. Quote
Conchas Posted May 11, 2014 Posted May 11, 2014 Have single studs not been inserted onto liftarms to represent lights befor by LEGO? I don't remember one immediately, but most likely yes. In some case these are connected using half pins also. But being more precise in my comment, this is the rule. "Technic holes are slightly smaller than those of System. You can connect a single stud into a single Technic hole and a child can still take them apart. Any more than that and the resistance becomes too great and there is the potential for elements (and children) being stressed." So technically you can connect single studs into pinholes, but you're still stressing the elements because their dimensions are not 100% compatible, so I believe it should be avoided. Although I use it too! Quote
Paul Boratko Posted May 11, 2014 Posted May 11, 2014 (edited) You made me went to check the building instructions... :) That one I don't think it is illegal. It is a long friction blue pin, and it is not under stress. It connects a 2L equivalent. There is a bump on the pin (In the middle of the 2L part of it that is being slightly compressed because that bump is now in the middle of a liftarm... It is meant to completely go through a liftarm and then relieve that stress when it goes through the other side... That bump is there for a reason... This pin being used this way by Lego is the sole reason why I used it in a similar way in the top of the transmission in my Vampire GT.... I don't think Lego had ever used a 3L pin in this manner before the Excavator... Edited May 11, 2014 by Paul Boratko Quote
Paul Boratko Posted May 11, 2014 Posted May 11, 2014 Ok, I see your point! I honestly don't know if it is 100% "Illegal", but it is something that seemed like a given, and I had always assumed was illegal... Quote
zux Posted May 11, 2014 Posted May 11, 2014 But being more precise in my comment, this is the rule."Technic holes are slightly smaller than those of System. You can connect a single stud into a single Technic hole and a child can still take them apart. Any more than that and the resistance becomes too great and there is the potential for elements (and children) being stressed." Source, page 12. You can find more illegal connections there. Quote
weavil Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Source, page 12. You can find more illegal connections there. I was thinking of that too. It was brought up in an old post before. Page 21 was done in a regular set and page 29 has the Technic. Quote
RohanBeckett Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Was just building this little set the other day, and noticed this: 8281 Tractor Quote
Paul Boratko Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 (edited) ^^^^ One stud is ok, but no more than that. Like a 1 x 2 plate inserted into 2 holes would not be ok... Edited May 12, 2014 by Paul Boratko Quote
SNIPE Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 I insert more tha 1 stud in all the time and there not damaged at all Quote
Meatman Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 I never knew about the whole no more than one stud thing. It doesn't seem like it would hurt anything. Quote
zux Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 I insert more tha 1 stud in all the time and there not damaged at all Have you checked your fingers/nails for damage? Quote
Meatman Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Have you checked your fingers/nails for damage? Couldn't you just pop them out from the other side with a pin or axle? Sometimes it is very difficult to separate two 1x2 plates that are clicked together. Quote
Kumbbl Posted May 12, 2014 Author Posted May 12, 2014 Have you checked your fingers/nails for damage? this is really no valid reason because very often it is quite impossible to separate two studded plates when clicked together - neither for children nor for adults... at least not less difficult than separating studded plates with more than 1 stud from technic holes... Quote
Sheepo Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 I didn't know this rule about a single or multiple studs inside the technic holes. Thanks for share it with us ;) Quote
vmln8r Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 The diameter of a technic hole and a system stud differ, so this type of connection has more friction than a standard stud-to-tube, and is harder to remove. Making more of these connections with a single piece multiplies this friction. Isn't the logic for this connection being illegal that simple, and quite different from legal multiple stud-to-tube connections? Quote
Paul Boratko Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 If the picture on the Left is illegal, then the picture on the right should be perfectly fine correct...? Quote
Paul Boratko Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 And how about this... Then add this Legal or illegal..? Only one stud is in each piece. Quote
Polo-Freak Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 (edited) http://www.robertcai...ore Dimensions/ Edited May 12, 2014 by Polo-Freak Quote
kidgenius Posted May 13, 2014 Posted May 13, 2014 Ok, I saw this and had to join to comment. Multiple studs into multiple Technic holes HAS been done before by TLG. Space Shuttle from the System end of things. They put the 3 studs from a 1x3 plate into the three holes on both sides of a 1x4 technic block (See step 11). Then the engines attached to it. Quote
Paul Boratko Posted May 13, 2014 Posted May 13, 2014 (edited) Ok, I saw this and had to join to comment. Multiple studs into multiple Technic holes HAS been done before by TLG. Space Shuttle from the System end of things. They put the 3 studs from a 1x3 plate into the three holes on both sides of a 1x4 technic block (See step 11). Then the engines attached to it. That Shuttle set came out right around the same time that the Technic Shuttle did(Give or take a year) Maybe that was the model that pushed LEGO to declare using that technique "illegal" Putting plates on both sides of a Technic brick would eliminate the possibilty of pushing one out with a pin or axle from the other side since both are covered... Perhaps they received a lot of complaints about that set... Edited May 13, 2014 by Paul Boratko Quote
tibivi Posted May 13, 2014 Posted May 13, 2014 I know that 8466 and 8448 have a plate with the studs in pin holes, it's used in the door opening mechanism ;-) Tibivi Quote
imajor Posted May 13, 2014 Posted May 13, 2014 The reason why I don't like putting studs in technic holes is that only part of the stud is in contact with the hole, since the hole is wider at the edge. Quote
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